Do you believe that matter moved faster than light, in the early universe?

[strateguy632]

any defenders?
first can you comprehend problem? then either defend or reject.
the rules of the game: the faith of modern science is that light moves at a certain speed. whatever that speed is, they also have faith that matter mass moves slower than light photons.

there.

we assume they are not wrong about that.
they also extrapolate that the separation of galaxies moved apart recently indicated a nearness in the past... how far backwards to extrapolate?
well they, ("micro physics") said the universe had a "beginning" and in less than one second from the beginning, matter somehow moved further than light can move in a second, even further than during 180 days.
so the mystery is how can matter moving slower than light be 0.6 light years from center in less than one second?
see for yourself:
circumference of 4 light years so r=0.64 light years at time 1/100 of a second "after the beginning". it seems impossible and therefore wrong.
these mathematical geniuses did the math while ignoring their own rules of physics. can you defend these who "can't see the forest" due to focusing on many trees? they only see trees so can't see the forest.

[richardcory]

OK, its... complicated. What relativity really says is that information can't travel faster than light in any observation frame.

Imagine a balloon with dots on it. The balloon is inflating and the dots moving apart. Light emitted by the dots moves across the surface of the balloon at a fixed speed (speed of light).

If the balloon is expanding fast enough, light from nearby dots will reach you, but light from distant dots will never get to you - the universe will have expanded too fast for it.

Space (the balloon) can expand faster than light, but the parts of it that are moving faster than light are invisible - as if they were inside of a black hole.

Taking the analogy further. We are on one of the dots - we can see nearby dots moving away, but eventually can no longer see the distant ones. We can't tell how big the balloon is - it could be infinite (or not, we can't tell).

I know this isn't very clear - words are not good at describing it, and its outside of people's experience / intuition.

If you look in opposite directions. each seems to be moving away at almost the speed of light. A galaxy in the distance in one direction may not have been able to ever see ag galaxy in the other direction, even though we can see both.

If you read about cosmological inflation, that explains some of that. (note, inflation is not just the expansion but an additional thing that happened only very early in the universe)

[NathanDavis]

however...

the very (immediate) early universe wasn't subjected to our VERY LIMITED and current understanding of the universe (any universe, lmao)

also, did the actually say that matter did form and then moved? or did "something" else moved first, then turned into/formed matter?

either way... just because we cannot understand something we should not deem that something as wrong, lol

the one thing we can say for certain, is that we ignore it

[andreasderjuengere]

My Mom's car had a top speed of 140 km/h.

One of my own ones later did somewhere above 220 km/h.

It's a matter of which matter we look at.

Speed itself - in my eyes - is unlimited.

To only look at lightspeed stuff will ignore the other possible matters that we haven't seen yet. No wonder: it moves away from us faster than we can comprehend it :)

[DerekC321]

It wasn't matter, it was the fabric of spacetime itself that moved faster.

[Drewtate]

But not as fast as the speed of love ❤