So the new employer was on the topic of pay. Mind you i never brought it up my questions were geared towards the application process and orientation. So I asked what is the starting pay since they brought it up. She doesn't answer my question but ask me "what are you getting paid right now?" I didn't like that and felt it was an attempt to low ball me so I gave her a number $3 more than my current pay. Employers aren't supposed to ask your previous pay history. Like what is the point? So you can lowball me, pay me Market value, or to pay me the same as the other company? Makes no sense to ask me this question. You pay based on skills. I lied yet shit she could've been lying to me too. Was I wrong and can they find out I lied about pay?
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I got the pay I wanted no hassle 😍
Was I wrong to lie about this and will they find out?
It's not only a good idea to lie, it's how you'll make most of your raises.
A classic tactic is adding a few thousand annually to your last income figure, and then arguing for a raise on top of that.
The worst they'll say is "no, most we can do is..." and hopefully they give you the upper limit of what they can give.
Never feel bad for doing what you can to catch your wage up to inflation. No company will give you an honest first offer - it's common practice to lowball new employees and negotiate their pay.
They can't check, and you can't be blamed for adding a few extra dollars in your negotiations.
Good job! Next time, make it an extra $5/hr. Gotta keep ahead of inflation, after all.
Thank you!! Yeah when she didn't tell me I felt she was planning to lowball me. She wasn't being transparent so I did the same. Her range could have been accurate but she shouldn't have did the whole boomerang affect when she's the one who brought up pay. I wasn't fond of that. Thank you for understanding I felt I needed to get an extra few dollars and this was the best way. Wouldn't make sense to go somewhere to only get the same pay
You did the right thing. And yeah, it's on her for tipping her hand by asking you. I used to recruit and we always assume folks will give us above their actual walkaway number, so we can negotiate with them. Plus she opened Pandora's Box by asking you and letting you make the first move.
You negotiated well! You deserve those extra dollars. 😁
@dreamlife7 I'm pretty sure that question regarding your previous wage was illegal, but not mentioning that was the wise play. Previous employers can only disclose your dates of employment and if you are eligible for rehire or not. ANYTHING else is illegal. Your previous wage is confidential. Congrats on the new (ish) job.
"California Labor Code 432.3 bars employers from asking job applicants about their salary history when applying for a position"
But who is going to enforce this (and I don't know if you are in CA or if it's illegal where you're at)? It's he said, she said because you are in a closed situation with them. The appropriate response to that is not to lie, but to say something like: "“I would like to respect the compensation confidentiality of my current company. If we do move forward in the recruiting process, I am open to discussing the salary and benefits. If you want to make sure that I fit into your budget." (from google/LinkedIn).
I would highly suggest reading/listening to the book "Never Split the Difference" by Chris Voss. I have read it twice and it's freaking great to put this stuff into practice; life changing skills.
I love this! Great advice. I screenshotted so I can remember. I'm not good at interviews at all. I've always hated this part. I'm in NC so they're really not supposed to ask. I did a Google search now and found out what they pay. She actually low balled herself with what she did. I'm getting 6 dollars more than what they actually pay from what I just gathered right now. For me I just gave her $3 over my current pay bc I didn't want it to be too exaggerated. welp hopefully she learns from this cause I have. This is all great advice I'll read the book. Can she found out I lied?
She can look on Glassdoor or indeed and see what others have reported your company pays for your position, but she could not legally find out for certain if you lied or not. That would require breaking the law (confidentiality) by both her and your employer.
If she is good at reading people, she would be able to tell you were lying through your body language. Or at least have a very strong suspicion. It is pretty easy to tell if someone is lying, the thing is as humans we often learn to ignore our ability to do this. I had a step-dad who was a liar, and one of my brothers. I also have a couple people at my work who lie more and bigger lie than an average person (everyone lies a little here and there, or does "white lies" and "lies of omission"). I find them easy to spot.
Depends on the job. My current salary can be calculated by HR off the paperwork I submit for the job because I have to show time in the prior grade, so if you know my grade and step and where I live you can calculate my pay, so it'd do me no good to lie about it. If I was in the corporate world you could probably get by with it unless your hr knows their hr because it's a tight field like contracted things for the government. Somebody below said it's illegal in their state. Yeah, I hear ya, but so is murder. People still do it, because it only matters if you get caught, so you know... proceed at your own risk.
They’re not supposed to? Sadly they always ask me what my last job paid. Only once did the job say, well we’re gonna pay you 3 times that. All the other jobs are like “well since you’re just starting with us, we’re gonna offer the same/less/a dollar more.” Its such BS
I hate they even ask for references because i be wanting to lie and say i worked each job for a year but i be scared they'll ask so i give the honest answer which looks bad. But its not our fault we got laid off with everyone else
Never answer that. Tell them "For someone with my experience and ability, I think my market value is close to x", where X is 10% more than the most you can imagine anyone paying you. What you are currently paid is irrelevant to your current market value.
Also consider whether you want to work for a company that is looking to low-ball you.
Thank you great advice I'm terrible at interviewing. I just found out she low balled herself because I did a search and just now found the company wage. I didn't see it before looks like I'll be making $6 over the Position I'm getting. She should've been transferred
Well if they ask for w2 to prove what you were making then I would look elsewhere. If they want to be dumb and ask what you are currently making then I would also just lie so I get what I want.
If a company ever asks you that give them a range …I make between 15 and 20 dollars an hour! Then say what’s your salary range for this position? There is no way to look it up …in the end if they want you they’ll pay you not try and disqualify you!
By law they can only give dates of employment. In the end they either want you or they don’t …and if they can’t afford ya then they will find someone else.
You weren't wrong. And they probably can't find out, but even if they do what are they going to do? If it comes up say, "oh I tjought you were asking what my expected salary was. Certainly you weren't asking what I made at my previous position." They can't persue it so they'll let it go.
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If your precious job is listed on your resume, it's not that hard for them to search online to find out roughly how much you were being paid by them, and if they do that, they will no you lied. Regardless, they should never have asked you that question to begin with.
This sounds strange.. I've worked a shit ton of jobs, even some "not tax deductible" and every employer told me my rate of pay or what I'm going to make up front.
That's why I lied because she brought up pay yet when I asked she did that. Like what were her intentions to low ball me? Pay me what I already get? Can they find out I lied about my pay?
You were wrong to lie. Best would have been to politely decline to tell her, and say that your pay amount is confidential, between you and your former employer.
Am I wrong to lie because you feel lying is morally wrong? That would've been good to tell her, but it's too late now, lol. Unfortunately, i was thrown off guard. If she would've been honest, i would've been honest with her. Goes both ways. Anyways , can they find out what my real pay is?
@dreamlife7 Just because someone else does something you think is wrong, doesn't make it right for you to do it. Most people in HR have personal ties with HR people in other companies. Whether she can find out officially what your pay is, she can probably use her personal contacts to find it, or at least an approximate pay value.
You mean if you don't like honesty? Lol you're bent out of shape over something that doesn't involve you. Its weird. Practice what you preach you've lied on your lifetime chill out
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