Why do so many women hate science and sci-fi, and why do the few who like them tend to often hate fantasy?

[TheSpaceGnome]

[Rosexøxø]

Some strong word usage there lol

but I do loveee science. Physics as a top favorite. ☝️ It’s the science fiction that I am sometimes “iffy” about. I don't know.. if ‘avatar’ 🧞‍♂️👽 counts as sci-fi, then it’s cool. I don't know sometimes it’s just overboard, though. I think most women may not like it because it’s almost always associated with war, or love- of aliens. Women typically don’t like war and women- as much as they may get annoyed by some of the male species- do not like for men to be interested in some other species, other than their own kind: the human race.

Men love the fantasy for the sexual randomness/ newness… variety? Lol

And men love the challenge of it in any war aspect and having to strategize around them. It’s the perfect brain stimulant and sexual toy

and for ladies.. well it’s usually a hard pass as soon as they see anything “not-so-aesthetic.”

Whatever that one movie is called? Under water? Some lady and aqua man? Lol I guess ladies would like that one, but his looks and design were really pushing it… 🤣

I don't know it really just depends. I’m sure women just haven’t wandered into it and don’t feel the need to like.. entertain that?

I had one ex classmate who was heavily into WWE with the boys and the toy skateboards. I mean, it was… weird for a child to have that kind of obsession 😂 but if she can fall that “madly in love” with it.. I’m sure a lady can love sci-fi. 🤷‍♀️ Everyone has their own preferences and a good majority have their own preferences, within the realm of being coerced/ molded by society’s “norms” / trends, and they choose out of those, to find preference.

So limited, but not at all, impossible.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Why does everyone keep relating it to sexuality?

999 times out of 1000, you have a woman watch avatar and her first thought is "blue cat lady tits", a guy watches it, and its like "cool, mech suits and dragons"

Why do women almost never focus on anything cool?

I know exceptions exist, but why are they rare?

[Rosexøxø]

Lol that’s what makes it the exception 😂 and you’re right it’s not always sexual, but it is a great deal of the time, and it’s almost always war OR sex aspect.

Like I’m X-men guys love to see mystique…

You saying “why can’t women see anything coo” is like me saying to some dude on the street “why can’t you look at my eyes up here?”

Oh yeah… because guys either can’t shut that off or it’s a mental effort not to, or they have low testosterone enough so they can focus on things other than sex.

Let me just clarify… no one is the bad person lmao but yes, people are and choose what they are and choose.

Shouldn’t let it affect us, our interests, and our moods this point. 🥲🤜🤛

[TheSpaceGnome]

I always found it weird mystique was naked in the movies, in the cartoons, toys, comics, and games she's always has morphed clothing on, and she's also not a good character, or attractive looking in those.

[QuietVerbena]

I like fantasy. I don’t hate sci fi but with a few exceptions I’m not really into it.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yeah thats pretty common, why though?

[QuietVerbena]

Girls are just not into scientific stuff. A few really love it though and I’m very proud of them as leaders in STEM and the sci fi community.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I know, but why?

[QuietVerbena]

Brain chemistry I guess. Why does it bother you? Some girls really like that. Just not a lot of them.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Just curious, The perfect match for me likes science, sci-fi, and fantasy (and hard video games, and anime, and natural history).

Very hard to find a woman like that, and I'm frustrated and wanted to know the reason for it.

[QuietVerbena]

There are a few girls like that but not many. It’s just something most girls aren’t into. My question is why do guys (nerdy guys at least) like that stuff so much?

[TheSpaceGnome]

Because its fun and creative, and modern reality is boring and mundane.

Imagination and creativity are literally the best form entertainment (especially whn coupled with practicing a skill).

[QuietVerbena]

Good point! That’s why I love fantasy. But sci fi requires you to know and accept certain basic concepts about science, particularly physics, which I and a lot of other girls just don’t wanna do.

[IceCreamSandwich]

Maybe it's partly a generational thing, but a lot of the girls I meet love sci-fi and fantasy. And very few "hate" either. My girlfriend is even a dungeon master in dnd. From what she's told me though, one of the big reasons for the lack of women overall may be the "boys club" culture. She's had pretty bad experiences with a lot of dnd groups before she started dming, and now she mostly hosts women-only campaigns—which are always full.

It's weird. She let me join one of her men-welcome campaigns before, and nothing bad happened even with half the table being men. But some of the stories she and others have told—just about fantasy or sci-fi fans and even science or stem students—I wouldn't want to participate in communities like that either.

Fortunately, obviously, not all dnd people and not all enthusiasts of other fantasy or sci-fi things, and not all stem majors and professionals are gatekeepers or mysoginists or possible sexual predators. But there does seem to be at least a loud minority who are among those categories, and act as a ring of negative magnets to women who may otherwise be interested and want to join in.

I'm sure this will get better over time because it seems like it has been getting better over time. And most women I know are open to trying film or literature in sci-fi and fantasy when suggested, especially if suggested by another woman. And a lot do end up enjoying at least subsets of the genres. So it's possible this could change rather quickly depending on how things develop.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yeah i'm not so lucky, most of my generation's women hate both...

[Berethor]

Women tend to prefer chick flicks, women don't like to watch violence as much as men do.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yeah but why?

[Berethor]

Nature vs Nurture? I would go with Nature, but there is some Nurture in that too.

[Kaneki05]

Spot the difference within girls and guys toys then you'll know. Betting you that action figure of a robot who turns into a car ain't marketed towards girls. So guess what group also are more likely to be a fan of transformers.

So answer like most things is childhood and marketing.

[TheSpaceGnome]

People like to chock it up to marketing, but at the end of the day, the child isn't coersable. They want what they want, they watch what shows they like, play what games they like, and they cry in the store until mommy or daddy gives them the toy they wanted, not the toy the marketing teams chose for them.

Same is essentially true for teens and adults minus the crying part, which is why browser ad blocker extentions are popular, because almost all of us hate ads.

[Kaneki05]

You might as well be saying psychology don't exist by that logic or maybe an example that makes more sense to what you may understand just because everyone ain't part of a cult don't mean cults don't work.
It's a false argument to use ad-blockers as an example and even more so when compared to children toys, when as a child we are even more suspectable to things more than ever since it's the whole point of growing up.
Personality's don't form out of no where it's designed from everything around us.

[inhua]

sci-fi and fantasy aren't seen as "manly" but more so "childish" unless of course it's the Twilight series or Rey being unstoppable.

as far as science is concerned, I think it's less to do with science but rather the people "involved" in science, it's probably got to do with some outdated unattractive nerd/geek stereotype whom no woman would want to associate with.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Sci-Fi and fantasy are not seen as childish to most people. And that stereotype died in the late 90s.

[inhua]

by most people are you including the elderly and people outside of the US like in 2nd and 3rd world countries?
and as far as that stereotype dying out, that's why I said it's outdated but it has since then evolved into something else hence weeb, dweeb, incel, weirdo etc.

[penguinsrcool]

usually women are depicted as either damsels in distress or op warrior princesses with little to no clothes on in fantasy. its difficult to be immersed and interested in a world that's constantly objectifying your entire gender

[TheSpaceGnome]

That reply just says to me your knowledge of the available series is VERY limited.

[penguinsrcool]

fair assumption, like I said, the main women I see depicted usually are objectified or exaggerated versions of real women, I suppose that's why I've never gotten into the genre, I never saw the appeal

[TheSpaceGnome]

I mean exaggerated versions of things is the entire point of fantasy (and sci-fi for that matter). It's the purpose of fiction, grandure through exaggeration and myth.

[penguinsrcool]

these exaggerating things for the sake of a story and then there's giving a female character a chain mail bikini lol

[TheSpaceGnome]

Thats not a thing in 99.9% of fantasy series.

[penguinsrcool]

Well that 0.1% seems to have drawn a lot of women away from the genre

[TheSpaceGnome]

Also its usually not for story, instead the story is made to facilitate the exaggerations.

[penguinsrcool]

regardless of why it's there, it can put women off from the stories as they might find them crude or misogynistic

[TheSpaceGnome]

No I meant thats why any exaggeration is there. The one you are talking about is usually only in mmo games and old B monster movies.