Were the signs that the MCU is dying always there?

[HrdRok12]

So it’s been no secret that the MCU hasn’t been the best over the last couple of years. However one thing that people tend to say about the beloved franchise is that before Phase 4 it was smash hit after smash hit and now it’s shit. It was never smash hit after smash hit. First of all you’ve got the 2008 Incredible Hulk which is often regarded as the forgotten MCU movie. Then you’ve got the Inhumans TV series which is often regarded as the worst live action superhero tv show of all time. Then there’s the fake Mandarin in Iron Man 3. The Dark World which is what made Taika Waititi swoop in and save Thor in Ragnarok. Then you got Age of Ultron. And then Captain Marvel which is often regarded as The Last Jedi of the MCU. So with all that considered do you think the signs were already there. Or do you think it’s only been shit since Endgame

[msmissydc]

They had a good buildup for thanos and thats what saved it. The problem is, that they tried to partly copy the comics and partly do their own thing but with different characters etc or diffent motivations. It can work but it rarely did, but at that point the action and build uprealease was alrewdy done so it didn't ruin the movie.
The new movies partly try to copy the biggest comic thing in existence on the marvel site and I call it out they will ruin it because the buildup was stupid and they use the wrong characers therefore wrong motivations, therefore it won't make as much sense as it should be.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Yes, they were always there. What disney needs to do now is make a hard pivot.


I would honestly say they need to lose the live action stuff, go more for experimental animation. Sony’s been doing that with Spiderman and it honestly looks amazing. It would be a good opportunity for disney to finally break out of their mold and do something to really capitalize on the creativity of their people. Animation works much better for superhero stuff anyway

[normalice]

Thanos was such a good villian and his goals had such high stakes. I thought the "what if" series could have topped it if they had taken it a little more seriously, but apart from that the stakes in all of their movies have necissarily been lower or just a repeat. The mulitverse is the only way to scale up and all of their multiverse attempts have been clunky, except the "what if" series seemed to have smoothed it out - it was just too short.

[BCA6010]

Public interest in the MCU basically peaked at Infinity War/Endgame, and has been on a noticeable decline ever since, to the point that those movies are not even profitable anymore. In my opinion however, the conclusion of Captain America's trilogy is about when the quality of the MCU starts to broadly decline, and it's likely due to the change of people with control over the projects having more influence.

[TheSpaceGnome]

The only MCU stuff I really didn't like was miss marvel and she hulk. The rest were either good, or they at least gave context/backstory for the ones that were good. I do wish the x-men and tom hardy's venom were in the MCU main timeline though (yes I know about the credits scene).

[HrdRok12]

I’d say your sexist but you’re just gonna make up that bullshit about bad writing

[TheSpaceGnome]

Its not sexist, and it IS bad writing.

There are plenty of well written female characters in the MCU, but those are not among them, they feel too cheesey and have no sense of grounding or epicness, the comics and cartoons do a better job portraying either of them.

Even scarlet witch, which in the MCU was stupidly made into an experiment, instead of magneto's mutant daughter, was well written as a character in that continuity. Even captain marvel's movie was good, I really don't understand the hate for it (though I do prefer the timeline where rogue absorbs her powers).

Characters need to be compelling, plots need to be compelling. For example in she-hulk, the lawyer and private life part of it should not have been the focus, in the comics and cartoons, she does become a superhero, specifically an avenger.

People do not watch superhero movies to see a 4th wall cheesey spoof on law and order narrated by a person that isn't very funny who makes criticisms about the good points in other MCU movies and focuses on her love life and career. Even daredevil, which is also a lawyer, is viewed because he fights fights villians while blind, not because of his day job.

Imagine a story about bruce wayne where he never becomes batman after getting his training amd you just see him doing community philanthrophy the whole time while trying to clear his name of a lie that makes him insecure or risks his job, it would be very boring.

[OtterMan68]

the only way to save it: bring Daredevil into the Spiderman universe