I think the question here is are you ok and do you need help with something?
In the end all families are different. Parents want what is best for their kids and that will happen earlier or later for some people. They want to see you happy and this is what matters to them.
Happy for a chat if you want to drop a PM as you sound like you may need to tell your parents something.
If it helps I had to tell my mum at 34 and she still freaked out as I am unmarried, as it happens I miscarried anyway x
So sorry to hear about your miscarriage
If my daughter had a baby at 20 , which is unlikely to never happen, because I instill good values into my kids, but It were to be true , I will throw her out on to the streets and let her fend for herself And the baby. Or let the man who impregnated her to provide for them
An irresponsible girl like that needs to be taught a big lesson. She can throw away her college education so she can care for her baby. It’s a choice she made and it’s time for her to own up to her actions.
stupid kids are created as the result of bad parenting , they are not born stupid
Throwing out your own daughter AND a baby which is your own grandchild out onto the streets, which is dangerous and a very hard condition to live in, ESPECIALLY for an infant. Yeah, some parent you are. I hope to God you don't already have kids, and if you don't, you NEVER have kids.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
So your daughter giving up her college education and future is ok? But making them take responsibility for their own actions is not ok?
I’m not paying for a grandchild when I’m 60 years old and looking forward to retirement. If my daughter decides to have a child , she can raise it on her own without a decent income or career. I’m letting her raise the kid on her own
@TiaraGlitzNeon
Babying and forgiving irresponsible people is not ok. It just encourages more irresponsibility In the future
It’s called tough love.
It’s threats like these that prevents my children from making irresponsible choices. If you’re gonna baby your 20 yr old child by saying “it’s ok. I’ll take care of you regardless of how much you fuck up in life” , your child will only turn out into a piece of shit because she knows mommy will have her back no matter how stupid she is
But you're also not accounting for the fact that there's an INFANT living on the streets with your 20 year old daughter, let's just not give a fuck about that? It ain't the baby's fault that his/her mother was irresponsible and got pregnant at a young age. There are so many other ways to go about punishing the 20 year old or making them take responsibility. This ain't one of them.
Forcing your kid AND grandkid out in dangerous conditions is "tough love"? Sure. Tough love my ass.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
I can already tell you don't have much life experience. If i'm nearing retirement, I won't have the money to support another child. I have to save money so that I wouldn't have to work until I'm 70.
Grandparents have no obligation to raise their grandchildren either anyways. Children are the ultimate responsibility of the PARENT. I'm not letting my dumb child's mistake ruin the rest of my life. Sure, their life matters but my life also matters.
The reason why there are so many irresponsible children who are lazy, lack motivation, don't do well in school, make stupid mistakes is because of BAD PARENTING.
Telling your child that no matter how stupid he is, or how much he fails in life, mommy is gonna be there for him, THIS is what breeds irresponsibility.
I tell my kids that after I pay for their college education, I'm not gonna support them anymore after they graduate. Because I have to retire. This will motivate them to use every resource they can in order to obtain a job after college. If I'm just gonna tell them, don't worry about the job search after you graduate, mummy is still gonna support you. This won't give them any motivation to succeed or do well in school. This is why so many kids get bad grades in college, do drugs, fool around, play in college, don't work hard. As a result, they are unable to obtain jobs, or work at starbucks or McDonalds until they are 30 years old and still living in their parents basements.
Meanwhile there are people who worked hard in college, obtain prestigious jobs at the age of 25, already have a house and a car by the time they are 30.
This is what tough love is.
You are the definition of a fucking moron. Just pure stupidity. You don't know the fine line between "tough love" and just being an outright asshole to your own kids. You're completely fine with the idea of throwing your own flesh and blood out to the wolves with a fucking infant to live in a environment where they could EASILY be taken advantage of, like being raped, stolen from, sold to human sex trafficking, beaten, all kinds of shit. Let alone worrying if this will happen to the baby. From what I pick up from your replies, it's all about you you you, and you don't actually give a shit about your kids. You hide behind this façade of "It's called tough love" and "I'm just instilling good values into my kids". When you haven't heard of a thing called forcing your kid to get a job of their own and pay for everything themselves, so they can become responsible enough to move out on their own and support the child properly, instead of expecting them to be able to pick themselves up and make something of themselves while they're out in some dangerous condition where they could be taken advantage of. Yeah it's a dumb mistake. Does not throwing them out into a dangerous condition mean you're supporting their stupidity? NO. 20 year olds are fucking young. Throwing them AND THEIR INFANT CHILD to the wolves won't solve shit except tarnish your relationship with them because I know damn well if you were my mom and you did that to me, I would never love you the same.
Well my dad said he would kick out also if I have a baby. Either way I want my own place.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
hunnie, lets get the facts straight. My 20 yr old daughter WILL NEVER have a kid at 20. Because she clearly knows the consequences. Its YOUR 20 yr old child that will end up pregnant. You're gonna be the one raising one dumb generation after the next.
My kids will be the ones with good jobs, well educated, being able to pay bills, go on vacation.
Your daughter will be the single mom , working at McDonalds, struggling to pay the bills, likely your grandchild wouldn't even have the money to attend college.
Be careful on who you call "moron". Because I don't raise morons. You raise morons.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
why are you so shocked about throwing an infant child to the wolves?
I will teach you a lesson:
ANYONE WITHOUT AN EDUCATION OR SKILLS TO SURVIVE WILL BE THROWN OUT TO THE WOLVES, which means that they will be homeless, either starving to death or be taken advantage of by predators.
This only happens when stupid moms like you don't motivate your kids to work hard in school and to obtain good jobs.
Reality is, TONS OF PEOPLE ARE THROWN OUT HOMELESS IN THE STREETS , STARVING TO DEATH ON A DAILY BASIS. This is what I call being thrown out to the wolves.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
ANYONE CAN BE THROWN OUT TO THE WOLVES AT ANY TIME.
IF I LOSE MY JOB, I WILL BE THROWN OUT TO THE WOLVES. WHO WOULD BE THERE TO PAY MY BILLS? NO ONE!!
So if you're acting so shocked by people being thrown out of their houses, you clearly have no life experience and you shouldn't have the right to say anything to anyone.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
You've been pampered so well all throughout your life, you fail to understand that survival is all based on yourself.
You say its immoral to watch a live human being being thrown to the wolves?
Sure, how about the millions of homeless people starving to death on streets?
do you see tons of good people taking them in their homes for a hot meal and warm bed? NO! You don't see any of that. Chances are 1 person out of 500 people would give them any coins throughout the day.
If I lost my job and savings, would you provide me food and shelter for a couple of months so that I can start my job search? NO YOU WOULDN'T. Nobody would.
If I lost my job, would my brother pay for my food and shelter for the rest of my life? NO HE WOULDN'T. Eventually he would kick me out if I can't find a job.
After you're 18, nobody is responsible for your own life. YOU are responsible for whatever happens to you. Nobody is obligated to care for you after you're a grown adult. Nobody gives a shit if you're thrown to the wolves. Nobody gives a shit if you starve to death either.
IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, THE CONSEQUENCES WILL ONLY FALL ON YOU.
Nobody is obligated to do anything for you.
This is what the real world looks like.
Its only shocking to you because you've been pampered so well in your life. Your mommy daddy paid for everything so that means every other parent on earth must do the same. You don't understand how harsh life is.
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If I fuck up at my job and get fired, who would pay my rent? Would you help pay my rent? YOU WOULDN'T. YOU WOULDN'T GIVE A SHIT IF I WERE HOMELESS.
Now my daughter fucks up big time in life, why should she not suffer the consequences?
its NOT OK TO FUCK UP in life.
Because reality is, IF YOU FUCK UP IN LIFE, YOU WILL ONLY SUFFER.
Good values = don't fuck up in life, don't be stupid, work hard, be smart.
Don't be stupid then fuck up big time then cry for mommy to save you. THIS IS NOT HOW THE REAL WORLD WORKS.
Damn I really got your psycho ass pissed off didn't I? Gotta send your 50 replies to me to try and convince me to think in your corrupted point of view, but you're HIGHLY missing the point. You're a crazy bitch, like someone really needs to call CPS on your ass. I feel really concerned and scared for your kids. "It's not okay to fuck up in life", then how else are we supposed to fucking learn from our mistakes? Nobody is perfect, Karen. But you're missing the point that throwing out your kid WHEN THEY HAVE AN INFANT is not okay. Throwing them out when they're by themselves, and with good reason? Sure. With a BABY? NO. You have no moral value. You sound like someone who was abused by their parents and thinks that it's normal, and you think being a harsh asshole to your kids is the only right way to go, and anyone who doesn't abuse their kids is "pampering" and "babying" their kids. I feel sorry for psycho ass bitches like you lol.
Yeah, my kid will totally have a kid at 20, because I wasn't an abusive psycho to them like you would be to your kids. Totally makes sense. Clearly your way of thinking is the only "right" way of thinking, and anyone who thinks differently is wrong. Lmao get the fuck over yourself.
@TiaraGlitzNeon lol I thought the same thing
She sent hella lot of messages.
You think it's okay to throw a baby out onto the streets. Just listen to yourself fucking talk.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
I think you’re the one who is pissed, going on a super upset emotional rant with all types of name calling and no logical reasoning. At least I am able to provide a logical explanation. You aren’t. What have you provided so far besides all the name calling?
Nobody is obligated to do anything for you once you’re a fully grown adult. If you can’t pay rent cuz you fucked up at your job, nobody will feed you and you WILL BE HOMELESS
doesn’t matter how much you call everyone else a psycho for not feeding you or giving you a room. You will still starve to death
@TiaraGlitzNeon
GO CALL CPS on a 20 yr old pregnant adult who fucked it. Let’s see what they’re gonna do? NOTHING. They are gonna agree that I won’t have to do anything for her.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
[Sure. With a BABY? NO. You have no moral value. You sound like someone who was abused by their parents and thinks that it's normal, and you think being a harsh asshole to your kids is the only right way to go, and anyone who doesn't abuse their kids is "pampering" and "babying" their kids. I feel sorry for psycho ass bitches like you lol.]
The real world is ABUSIVE. Just in case you didn’t know. And no , the real world is not abusive , If nobody wants to buy you food when you’re homeless Ans starving to death.
YOU are responsible for YOUR OWN LIFE
You have yet to provide any "logical points" Because you still won't tell me how throwing a fucking infant child out onto the streets is morally correct in any way. Again, you're a psychotic ass bitch and you only want to hear what you believe.
And according to your logic, not doing shit YOUR EXACT WAY means that you're "pampering" your kids, and you have yet to pick up on the fact that there are OTHER BETTER WAYS TO MAKE YOUR KIDS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Instead, you gloss on over that and keep repeating yourself with your tired, angry rants. You're now getting worked up because I've caught onto the fact I've made you angry and you're trying to deny that by deflecting that onto me.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
Because there is no such thing as being “morally correct “ in this world. The shit that you’re expecting is the ideal happy world where there are no homeless people in the world. Or that everyone would like to provide food and shelter to the homeless.
If you saw a pregnant 20 yr old homeless , would YOU take her in and care for her and feed her until and after she gives birth? NO YOU wouldn't.
You’re just as cold hearted and selfish as everyone else.
So shut your mouth about how I’m abusive or cold hearted. I can very much garuantee you have brushed off a homeless man begging you for money.
In this world , you are only responsible for yourself. There won’t be someone always around the corner to protect or save you
@TiaraGlitzNeon
Go ahead and call CPS! Let CPS laugh in your face and tell you that grandparents have no obligation to raise their grandchildren. They will just send the baby to a homeless shelter along with the mother.
The calling CPS part was directed at the fact that you're probably abusive toward your kids, with this mindset. And that CPS SHOULD take your kids away, because your whole entire logic is scary. Another thing is, you act like the daughter and grandkid you throw out are complete irrelevant strangers, like anyone else you'd walk by on the street. That's not the case, and that whole mindset is EVEN scarier. Your own flesh and blood fucks up, and you throw them to the wolves like they're nothing to you. People like you are why there is so much depression and corruption in this world. You don't give an actual fuck about the well being of your own fucking flesh and blood. That's scary and it's sad. But let's not give a fuck about throwing an infant who's not even at fault in this whole scenario out onto the streets, for any bad thing to happen to them.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
I have been on my own since I was 17 years old. My parents haven’t paid a single thing for me since I was 17. I paid for my own college tuition , rent , food, car. I worked my ass off in order to survive in this world. Now you’re telling me that it’s OK to fuck up whenever you want , however you want in life , and that you shouldn’t deserve any consequences.
If I fucked up at my job and get fired , I will be homeless. Nobody would pay my rent or take me in. You wouldn’t.
If I fucked up my grades in college, I wouldn’t have a chance at a masters degree. The masters program wouldn’t give a flying shit if I told them that I make a mistake cus I was too young and only 20 years old. They still wouldn’t accept me
In this world , there’s no such thing as “fucking up and not deserving any consequences”.
You definitely sound like someone that mommy and daddy has pampered well after 18. Because you clearly don’t understand life is a struggle and you clearly don’t understand what the real world is like
Nice job missing the point again, for the 50th time. This isn't just about a single adult being thrown out of the house, there is a B A B Y in the question. A baby. Do you got it through your thick, dense skull yet? Throwing your pregnant fucking daughter out onto the streets with an innocent baby isn't okay. And now that you tell me that your parents made you be completely on your own at the age of 17, it all makes sense now. Sounds like your parents are just as shitty as you are as a person, because no good parent would do that to their kid at that age. At that age you haven't even finished high school yet. YOU make the decision to have kids, it's YOUR JOB to support them until they can fend for themselves properly. Otherwise, DON'T HAVE KIDS. It's pretty goddamn simple. Nobody asks to be brought into this world, if it's that much of a burden to care for your own flesh and blood, then you shouldn't have gotten knocked up to begin with, or you should give them up for adoption. I also never said it's okay to fuck up in life however you want, but you act like we're all supposed to be these pristine, perfect human beings who never make mistakes. Making mistakes is exactly how we learn from them. The difference is, it's not okay to keep making the same mistake over and over again. But, it's too bad someone as corrupted as you can't make heads or tails of the difference between "pampering" and being ethical.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
[The calling CPS part was directed at the fact that you're probably abusive toward your kids, with this mindset. ]
A 20 yr old adult pregnant is no where near a child. CPS will just laugh in your face and tell you that you have no clue what you’re saying. The mindset is not abusive, it is the mindset of the real world. I treat my kids the way the real world would treat my kids. I don’t baby or Pamper my kids until they are 30 years old
So at 31 years old, you mean to tell me that you have a kid who's already 20? We're talking about the kids you have at the age they are NOW.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
[At that age you haven't even finished high school yet. YOU make the decision to have kids, it's YOUR JOB to support them until they can fend for themselves properly. Otherwise, DON'T HAVE KIDS. ]
There is no legal obligation for grandparents to support their grandchildren. Ask CPS. And if I’m 60-70 years old, I’m in no shape mentally or financially to support my daughter AND another grandchild. Just because my daughter has ruined her and her child’s life , it doesn’t it mean she needs to ruin mine too.
I have NO OBLIGATION to ruin the rest of my life , just to save my daughter and my grandchild’s life.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
I will support my child until they are 18. If they are going to be useful productive adults , I will send them to college. But If they don’t want to be productive useful good citizens , I won’t send them to college. Because I’m not gonna spend 100k on college just so that my kids can flunk in school, be unemployed or sell drugs. I let my kids understand that I am not obligated to pay for anything after they turn 18. This is the law. Anything that I do for them after they turn 18 is OPTIONAL. Me paying for their college tuition is a FAVOR, not a requirement.
My kids are likely to turn out well in life because I make my kids understand that their life is their choice. This drills a huge sense of responsibility in them.
Doesn't make what you're doing morally right. And it seems like you also missed the point on the CPS thing. I wasn't referring it to throwing your kid out onto the street, but rather how CPS should take your kids away NOW with your scary logic, to prevent that from ever happening in the future, because it sounds like you're a pretty abusive person.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
The world is not morally right. Take a look at how much homeless people there are. If everyone was so moral , there wouldn’t be homeless people.
I don’t see you saving homeless people. If there were a pregnant 20 yr old mother on the streets , you wouldn’t take her in and let her eat shower and sleep with you for a year until she gives birth and give her time to find a job. You’re not gonna do that
If I were homeless , you wouldn’t take me in.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
The way I teach my kids , is training and preparing them for living in the real world. It may be harsh , but I guarantee that my kids will end up in a much better place than your kids when they grow up.
Irresponsible kids are created by bad parenting. No kid is ever born irresponsible
If your kid Fucks up, you know you did something wrong
Because there's a difference between a fucking stranger and your own kid. Get that through your thick skull lady. You don't get it. Your head is so far up your ass you can't hear me. It's all about you, you, you.
Again, there are way better ways to make your kid take responsibility than to throw them out onto the fucking streets. Doing that will do more harm than good, guaranteed. Doing that is a sign that you're a heartless, careless parent.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
mommy is not gonna be there to save you until you're 60 years old , stupid little girl. Your parents are dead. Or if they are still alive, they're 80 years old and unable to do anything for you.
By teaching your kid how the real world will react to them, this is how they will learn to take responsibility. Your mother is not always gonna be there to save you when you're being stupid if you're 45 years old and your mother is 80 living in a nursing home.
In the real world, if you fuck up, nobody is gonna save you. Mom is not always gonna be there. Or if she is too old, she can't help you. Most 80 yr olds are barely able to support themselves, don't even talking about her supporting you.
You need to learn from a very young age to take responsibility over your own life.
Because a kid who gets forgiven for fucking up, WILL ONLY FUCK UP AGAIN LATER IN LIFE.
Responsibility is something you learn when you're 5-16 years old, you don't learn it when you turn 18. Its not something you can gain just overnight either. Responsibility is taught in your most formative years for MANY years as you grow up , typically ages 5-15.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
Parents who are too nice / lenient tend to raise irresponsible offspring.
If you have a baby at 20 , mommy will still take care of you and your baby.
If you raise kids with this type of mentality, your daughter has nothing to be afraid of when she DOES get pregnant at 20. why should she be so scared? she knows she will be taken good care of.
If your child can't get a job after college, you say " don't worry if you work for the rest of your life at mcdoanlds, because mommy will just pay your rent until mommy dies."
As a result, they are 45 years old and still living with their parents.
This is not the right way to raise successful responsible children. You will only raise failures, losers, irresponsible children.
An entitled little girl like you demands that mama has to be there for her for the rest of her life.
I will give a clueless little 18 yr old like you a rude awakening:
NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING IN LIFE AFTER YOU TURN 18.
NOBODY IS OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU.
YOU DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING FROM ANYONE EITHER.
ASK CPS TO SEE IF THEY AGREE. THEY WOULD AGREE
Blah blah blah. All I hear is a crazy bitch with her head up her ass speaking. You've missed my point dozens of times, actually more than that so more than enough to count, you also sound like a massive narcissist and you think that only you're right, you also think you're smarter and better because you're older. I'm done trying to reason with a crazy, carless, narcissistic bitch, you know what they say, can't fix stupid, and you are one of them.
Also, I must applaud you on your incredible ability to twist my words and shove words in my mouth that I never once said.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
you're just an 18 yr old girl still being fed like you're a baby by your parents. you do not have to lift a finger to earn food, earn your phone, earn your clothes, earn a roof over your head.
what do you know about life and society?
how do you know more than me?
someone with your mentality shows that you've never survived on your own in the real adult world
@TiaraGlitzNeon
Call me crazy all you want, this is reality.
If reality is crazy, then you're just in denial.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
and take a look at all that you have written so far, you have no logical reasoning or explanations to offer. Just insults and name calling over and over again.
you're just an emotional wreck who can't think with logic or reason.
someone like you would never ever be able to survive the real world on your own, if it weren't for your parents babying and feeding you well over 18
And you're some 31 year old bitch, probably fat and ugly as hell too who was abused by her parents, so you think it's normal to be thrown out onto the streets and thrown to the wolves at the age of 17 years old, and anyone who opposes your shitty and disposable view points is "spoiled" and "pampered" in your eyes because your idea of a decent parent is an abusive one who doesn't give a flying fuck about their kids and covers it up with the label "tough love", you also don't know the fine line between tough love and abuse, because you're dumber than a box of rocks and your parents brainwashed you into their shitty and abusive way of thinking. Usually abused kids wouldn't jump on the same bandwagon as their shitty abusive parents, but I guess stupid bitches like you are an exception. You COMPARE homeless fucking strangers to your own kids, you also make it very clear that you don't give a shit about being a caring, providing parent. Believing in throwing infants out onto the street without at least getting them taken into an adoption center first, or finding OTHER WAYS to make your kid take responsibility RATHER THAN THROWING THEM OUT ONTO THE MOTHERFUCKING STREETS WITH AN INFANT.
But what's the point in explaining that to you? You're gonna find a way to twist my words into something they aren't because you want me to follow your shitty narrative so bad. Because you're soooo perfect, and only you're right. You're also the same person who thinks it's okay to throw someone who hasn't even fucking finished high school out of the house too. You ASSUME I don't lift a finger and my parents completely baby me, yeah because I'm not abusive like you? You know nothing about me, you mentally retarded, autistic piece of fucking shit, I actually am working toward my GED AND plan on getting a job as soon as I finish it, I drive my own self places and do most shit for myself. I'm 18 years old, not some old ass 30 year old bitch like you who has had time to get the education and work experience to 100% pay for shit my own self. You're some snotty, stuck up cunt who has high expectations for everything and everyone, so do us all a favor and go fuck off with your high horse somewhere else. You're so dumb that you aren't worth reasoning with in any way, shape, or form, and I hope it comes back to bite you in your narcissistic ass so hard that you suffer enough to realize what a cold hearted, hopeless sack of shit you are. You're over here gaslighting me, telling me I have no logic and reasoning, but you continue to miss my point over and over again, TWIST my words, and get angry over facts. So go fuck yourself, you worthless, sad waste of life.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
if you don't have a GED, you won't be able to get a job in society. Obviously your parents haven't taught you well when you are young. Your parents DID NOT PREPARE you for life.
My job as a parent is to PREPARE my own kids for life. This means I will instill a sense of responsibility into them. And the only way to instill a strong sense of responsibility is to let them be responsible for their own lives.
The reason why you don't have a GED right now is because your parents told you that no matter what happened to you, your parents will always pay your rent, food, clothes, housing. Your parents did not tell you that you had to survive on your own in this world. Your mamas always got your back. So now you find out that the real world does not work that way, you're pissed and throwing a temper tantrum.
I'm not some pampered entitled bitch who demands that mama has to feed her well over 18. I have been on my own since I started college at 17 years old.
You're just an immature child who can't accept facts of reality. Once you're over 18, nobody has to do anything for you, even if it comes at the cost of your own life. This sounds harsh? well the world is harsh. doesn't matter if you like it or not.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
I'm a sack of shit because I have been on my own since I was 17? I'm not some entitled, pampered bitch like you who failed in school because she never have to worry about getting a job after high school.
When I was 17, I was doing well in high school , knowing very well that I would need to get a high school diploma in order to obtain a job. I was preparing for life on my own even before I was of legal age.
Now you're a big baby at 18 years old crying about how mama has the right to not take care of her.
you need a reality check , girl. the world doesn't work that way.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
[You're also the same person who thinks it's okay to throw someone who hasn't even fucking finished high school out of the house too.]
you know I've never ever said that. You're just lying just so you can have an argument for yourself because you already know you can't argue with me. how immature of you to say that.
@TiaraGlitzNeon
I will tell you what my life was like when I was 17-23:
- I had to wear the same coat from when I was 15 years old all the way until I was 23. why? because my meager salary working as a cashier could'nt pay for it. I had to pay for my college tuition, books, supplies, transporation, electric, heating, rent, gas, food all by myself.
- There was a year towards the end of college that I didn't even own a cell phone. I had to sell my cell phone away on ebay for a couple of hundred dollars just so that I can pay for food.
- There were 2 years where I couldn't afford to eat meat because the prices were too expensive.
- When I was 17, I lived off of 1 dollar pizza around the corner of my university for breakfast , lunch and dinner on a daily basis for a couple of months before I was able to find a job as a cashier.
- My parents didn't pay a single thing for me since I was 17. They've done nothing for me since I graduated from high school. Nobody did anything for me when I needed something.
Life is a struggle to survive. You wouldn't understand because you're too pampered , entitled from years of brainwashing that mama always has to be there for you.
There are many of us who actually needed to FIGHT TO SURVIVE, unlike you. Big adult babies who are still being spoon fed well after 18. Then think that you still deserve to be spoon fed as a grown adult 20 yr old woman.
did anyone care about me if I'm not eating? NOBODY CARED.
did anyone caer about me if I couldn't afford the necessitites to survive? NOBODY CARED.
would anyone care if I get thrown out for not being able to pay rent? NOBODY CARED.
Its time for an entitled bitch like you to wake up.
Once you're 18, nobody has to give a shit about you. So quit throwing your tantrum about morals. The world does not work that way.
@shaysh87 Bitter that you were too retarded to do things the efficient way? And you didn't go "Rags to Riches", you went Materialism and Mania. You are straight up unhinged and need some meds and out patient Psychological therapy. Having Stuff and a participation degree is not going to the Damage you're parents did to you, and they fucked you up in more ways then you're letting on.
You're projected accusations of "Jealousy" are defensive, and that's clear to see. Your parents fucked you up profoundly and it's not your fault.
@shaysh87 You shouldn't deflect your obvious Psychological Trauma. You need meds before you turn to meth or heroin to dull the pain of Childhood abuse.
Secondly, Nothing you have to have claim to have done really impresses me. You are painfully basic. Get back to me once you have built your own plane.
@Ryfyle
There’s nothing “traumatic “ about kicking a fully grown adult out of the house. I was kicked out of the house at 18. That’s the age where people are expected to leave the house. What’s so wrong about this?
Go get a fucking job and support your own child, this is not morally wrong. It’s a societal expectation
Go call the police on me. Police will arrive and agree with me. and help me kick you out.
@shaysh87
"
-I don’t see an infants life as more important than any other life on earth regardless of age, species or animal. All life is equal
The infant can be easily put in a foster home or adoption"
You are a straight up sociopath. Like I don't know what atrocities your parents did to you to turn you into this freak monster but they need to be shot dead.
I think I know why you would call it “trauma”.
Because people (like you) who have been coddled , nursed, babied, spoon fed, spoiled, never been throughly disciplined all throughout childhood and been well into adulthood,
Tend to see the harsh realities of life as “cruel” or “insensitive”. You can’t deal with any level or harshness. You don’t expect life to be harsh. You expect it to be as cozy and comfortable as you were cuddled and spoon fed at 5 years old.,
I didn’t grow up being babied or cuddled or spoon fed or nursed on a daily basis. Since I was 9 years old, I learned to cook basic meals for myself. My mother didn’t come home to cook for me every night. if I needed a new coat when I was a teenager , I would save up money that I earned from summer jobs or save up money that I received as a gift from relative to buy a new coat. I didn’t have mama buying me everything I needed.
I was independent and responsible at an early age. I understood that I am the only one who is responsible for myself in life
And you can quit saying how I need to be responsible for my grandchildren. I have only seen my grandmother 6 times in my life and I have absolutely no relationship with her. I am still perfectly fine and happy in my life
@Ryfyle
Ever since I was a child , my father told me “nothing in life ever comes for free. You work hard to earn everything you have. You are the only one who is responsible for yourself”
Ever since I started high school, I already started working summer jobs , saving up to buy my own things.
Yet you have adult 18-20 yr old here who still have mommy cooking , cleaning for them, doing their laundry , paying their bills, buying them food, GED books, video games.
If they need a new cell phone, they never have to work to get it. All they do is open their hand and it appears in their hand. They never earned a single cent in their lives, they have never worked hard for anything they own.
Now they hear their parents aren’t obligated to give them anything , they are in shock as if their parents owe them something.
No bitch, you need to work hard for your food , not your parents.
@Ryfyle
[So you rationalized your own neglect much like you will rationalize murdering children in the future.]
its not called neglect. I wasn't neglected as a child. My parents made sure the refrigerator was filled with food for me. My parents bought me clothes, shoes, games, toys all the way until I was 15 years old. After I started high school, they told me that from then on, they expected me to work summer jobs and to save up for my own things. And thats what I did. I was responsible with my money because I worked hard to earn it. I stood at the market for 7 hours straight as a 16 yr old to make money. Unlike most other irresponsible kids who have their parents buying them everything, I didn't splurge or waste my money on stupid things like video games or candy. I saved up for my coat, school supplies, new shoes, winter gloves.
this is not called neglect. its called being responsible for yourself. Its a very important teaching.
@Ryfyle
[So you rationalized your own neglect much like you will rationalize murdering children in the future.]
I have no intention on murdering my children. I will raise my kids the same way my parents raised me. It worked out very well. I'm well educated, responsible, successful in my career, make decent money. I am this way because my parents taught me to be responsible for myself.
I'm not like some bimbo at 18 yr old , failed out of high school, never worked a single job in her life, never earned a cent in her life, still has mommy cooking/ cleaning/ spoon feeding her well over 18.
@shaysh87 Nah, my parents sucked at that, I was meticulous, fast, Stronger, and a Better cook then my Mom and Dad. Got my own 4 Bedroom, two bath house because I saved up my grocery store money and bought the dip after the 2008 crash. At 15, I Built an awning for the backyard in mid June. At 14 I flipped a town house for them.
My daughter was born when I was 18. So I know it’s hard to be a young parent and I know it does set your life back quite a bit. So If they were planning on having a baby that young on purpose, it’s definitely something I would try to talk them out of.
But shit happens. If they did end up pregnant, whether it’s intentional or not, being mad at them isn’t going to solve anything. I would accept it and be happy for them.
that entirely depends on the circumstances. if by that age my son or daughter have a serious partner they consider marrying and it's actually somewhat planned, then i'm happy. but if it is an accident, cause they were too dumb to take birth control, i'm sad.
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I’d be mad and absolutely disgusted. Unless they’re married.
Because first of all. Your 20’s are your most immature years right after HighSchool. Those are the years to acquire new jobs and experience and new positions and learn the workplace. Those are the years to invest into school or programs.
(A child is always gonna get in the way of that)!
This is the reason I’m single and having fun and focusing on my health more than anything and trying to get into school all while saving mad money for my own personal use. And I’m 24.
you're 30’s are for baby-making and being a boring homemaker. Not your 20s!
Every woman and man that I’ve met that had kids in their 20s and younger. All cheated and were unfaithful and the babies didn’t have a father and so on…
Depends on the situation. In general, I'd be happy that the child was born and is healthy. On the other hand, I'd hope that they counted the costs, weighed things out, and if they know the Lord, prayed and sought Him before doing so.
I don't have kids, so I'm just speaking hypothetically.
It depends on their situation.
Age is simply age in this context.
Do they have their own living situation?
Do they work?
Are they stable? (In all aspects)
Do they have everything figured out? (For the child)
Are they married?
Are they excited?
If the answer is ‘No’ to all of those, then I wouldn’t be so happy about them having a baby, but I still would support and love them…
I wouldn't want that life for my child, they'd have to grow up so fast, and getting a degree (if they want one) with a child sounds like very hard work. I personally dont want kids before I'm at least 30. I wanna be settled with a stabile job and I want to be married. If you have a child at 20 you have hardly had time to do any of that.
You can't really say anything about that, lol
Yes? I think I can say more about my life and my future than you, a complete stranger, can
@Ryfyle (11 years*) No, of course not, but having kids at the age of 30 is more realistic to me. At 24 I will have finished my masters degree. After that I will be looking to have a stabile job for a good while. Then I will be certainly be thinking of taking a PhD. During all that there is no time for children. 30 seems like as good a time as any.
My parents were ecstatic to find out they were going to be grandparents. I got married at 19, had my son at 20 without financial assistance from either my parents or in-laws. I financially supported my family singlehandedly until my husband graduated college when I was 21, we bought our first home when I was 23.
Happy for the baby at such a young age. Mad because I’ll probably be taking care of them since they are too young to own their own home, car, and have money to feed and take care of the baby. I basically have to take care of a new family and it wasn’t my choice. But i’m sure I would be happy to see my grand children grow.
My son did have a baby at twenty and I was Mad because the girl getting pregnant was making a Life Decision for him. Before people get on their high horse women do get pregnant on Purpose and if men do not want children they need to wear a condom. After the baby was here I was Happy she was Healthy and picked her up every Friday to be a part of her Life!
It depends on how responsible her child's father is or how responsible my son is. If the parents are mad, technically it's their fault. Their values should be instilled in their children to make good choices. can't blame them if you raised em
20 is not too young to have a baby.
I would only be unhappy if she didn't have a responsible father to go along with it.
I would be happy for them! By the time I was 20 I already had 2 babies so in my opinion that isn't that young to have kids. If they were like 15 I'd be worried but 20 is old enough that they can care for it
If they felt like they made the right decision for them self, I would trust that and be supportive.
If not, I'd be upset with them but I guess that's when you really need your parents lol
If they were married I would be over the moon. I would help them as much as I can because after all it takes a village. If they got/slash k ocked up some girl I would be pissed. I wouldn't take it out on my grandchild though and would make sure they had the best care and opportunities I could afford them. I would beat his/or her ass though.
I don't want kids so I don't imagine that I will have to deal with such a problem. In the event that I did I guess it depends on the circumstances. Was it a planned child they wanted and are they fit to take care of it or no?
In the past, there were young marriages in Turkey. but now, there are young adulteresses wandering around, not young marriages. I always support young marriage. For to commit adultery is to draw the wrath of Allah towards oneself.
There is a tv show with several generations of kids 15-16 giving birth. Age 20 would
make me proud.
More than likely disappointed, BUT if they managed to have a good job with a stable income and a place of their own, or finished college, then I'd be happy for them, just wish they would've enjoyed their youth a little more.
Probably mad, if my stepdaughter were still seeing the jerk she was seeing at 19-20 four years old back.
I would stay neutral. After all, this child is theirs, they are the ones who will raise and educate the child, not me. But if they brought my grandchild to care of me, I would never have accepted. I would say, "you take care of your own child".
My kid just turned 20 and I I now feel old for having read the question
Would depend on the circumstances. I was 23 and my wife was 21 when we got married. There isn't a correct or set age to do things in life.
A mixture of emotions, depending on the specific circumstances and facts.
neither. She's having it for sure simply because she's an idiot for having one. If my son is having a kid than if she says she wants to keep it, he's gonna be their for that kid
I would be happy, but also a bit concerned despite how difficult parenting is. I would be supportive of my kids if they ever had kids by accident or on purpose at a young age.
If I had a 20-year-old daughter or son, I would be happy for them
I'm probably be disappointed that he had one so young, but it's his life, nothing I can do about it.
Probably both. It is a huge responsibility and somebody that is 20 is not ready to deal with it.
I would be happy. 20 years of age they're already adults.
Eh more of just worried. That's a lot of responsibility for someone so young. Plus it's hard to find a good partner
Happy. They got laid and I can be a grandma at a useful age.
I'd be happy if they were in a loving, committed relationship. Otherwise, I'd be disappointed.
That’s pretty young is he married can he handle it is he working
I’d be pissed. I would like for them to have some sort of financial stability before having kids. If they don’t you end up helping them and I’d like to think I’d be done raising kids by that time.
I married at 19 had a baby at 20 and the only help that I got from my parents was the occasional baby sitter. By the time I was 23 my husband and I had bought our house with out financial assistance from anyone.
@Subarugirl congratulations. You guys obviously made it work but you guys are the exception not the rule
Not mad, would open up a trust for them and try to help as much as I could.
if they were not mature enough would be mad if they are grown up responsible than happy
At age 20 no sleep. days are long. J8ght are longer. Nasty ass ckean up lol it gets better
Both. Angry because it was before marriage. Happy because smol bean
If they were married; I would be happy. If not I would be disappointed.
Happy cause thats after they graduated high school
Happy. Why wouldn't i be?
A lot people say 20 is too young and need to go to o college and enjoy life that's why
Younger the better for women. Id like to see my own daughter married and pregnant as soon as possible. Id be upset if she wanted to go to college.
@Gorge95 well im Christian. If she goes to college she will be less likely to maintain the values i expect. She can do whatever she wants but ill only accept moral choices and better outcomes will be rewarded with more acceptance. Im certainly not going to leave anything to an unmarried 30 something w no kids whether she's my daughter or not. Thats her choice. Just as my inheritance and time and effort will be prioritized on those continuing moral lives.
Neutral. That's their situation to handle.
Happy that I would have a grandchildren.
Better than having a kid at 14
that's the age I want to have them
Happy, of course, grandchildren are a delight...
Happy. It's a family member coming into the world.
Why mad, it his choice
If they were married, absolutely happy
If they married than why not
Not mad. Just disappointed 😞
Disappointing
I'd happy that I have grand children
Happy of course
Happy
pissed off
I love kids so happy
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