+1 yOnly of they can whip you if they do something good. Nah but I all seriousness I was whipped when I was younger and then my parents saw the light and decided to not whip me again after someone noticed a mark and it became an issue. So they switched to grounding me and taking away privileges. I would beg them to just hit me and get it over with because that shit was way easier than being grounded. If I think back I wasn't always bad and what motivated me to do good and stay on the right track wasn't the fear of being hit or being grounded it was more the reward of my parents praise and appreciation when I did good. I think it's easy to notice and intervene when our kids do something bad but we fail to give them the recognition when they do well. It's the recognition and understanding that they will make mistakes but giving them the support and love of knowing your on their side and will guide them is what will be what's best for them in the long run. I had this board with my daughter and I had a bunch of coins I made on a printer. When she did well or did a good deed I would reward her and she could put it on the board to cover spots on the board. When the board was full she got to got a reward we had discussed and agreed on. She did well and was motivated to do good and it was fun. One day she didn't share with a cousin that was staying the week with us so I told her in front of everyone to take 5 coins off as her punishment. Didn't go over well at all she handed me them with attitude so I said ok 5 more coins. She walked over to the chart and just angrily swipped all of them off the board. My do good girl turned to the bad side for the next couple of days. I had a perfect kid for months now I had a moody kid that was upset and for one small issue. I thought about it and I would be mad to if I did good at work all week and made one error and the boss decided dock my pay for the whole week. So we sat down and discussed it as well as you can with a 5 yo. Explained we were both wrong let her know I love her and told her I would put the coins back and if she shared with her cousin I would give her some bonus coins. Back to the good side she went. So I came to conclusion that rewards work better than punishments when it comes to motivating because punishments can get them to a point of just not really caring and it pushes you and your child's relationship further away than closer
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+1 yNot with a belt or any other implement.
I have no issues with smacking with an open hand on the bottom or other fleshy parts of the body. No fist's and not to any excess.21 Reply
+1 yNo! I believe that beating children is a sad and unnecessary part of our past, much like child labor! Nobody would ever argue that children should be crawling under moving heavy machinery again, that could crush them at any second! I’m why bring up beating? Certainly a light tap on their hand when they are 1 or 2yrs old. Because they don’t understanding that language yet to a point where they understand what is going on, but a “NO!” Followed by a light tap… That definitely makes your point! But once children reach 3 or 4 there is absolutely no need to HIT children, if they got you so mad that you want to hit them… YOU FAILED, Not the child!
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@CrazyGirl2 exactly, it does seem some people don’t mind beating up kids.
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@ChrisMaster69 It does shock me, the ease with which some parents just slap the shit out of their children… maybe if they actually disciplined their unruly kids instead of beating them up, they’d behave better in public. Everyone used to say that we were such well behaved children. When we were toddlers, they would slap our hand if we tried to stick a fork in the electric outlet. But other than that they did this thing where they’d say “thats one, after telling us to stop. Then if they had to tell us again, they ended with that’s two, I can’t remember them ever getting to three, (maybe w/ my brother) but we were well behaved! And no BEATING! Go figure? How on earth did they get two kids in college without beating us into submission, geez maybe love us unconditionally and make us want to do well and not disappoint our parents?
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@CrazyGirl2 exactly. my sort of social rule is, can a stranger do this to your kids or you to other kids, without getting your ass arrested?
Then why do it to your own kids if it’s illegal to do it to other kids. - +1 y
@ChrisMaster69 Thats not exactly the worst policy I’ve ever heard. Although, maybe we could throw in an exemption for bathing (especially younger kids… oh and wiping their butt) def things you should never do with anyone else’s kids, but you def wanna do it for your own. I used to babysit kids, they are amazing in both what they hear and what they tell other people regarding what they hear. Of course there’s always, mommy and daddy were fighting until you got here, then they pretended to love each other! Awww I wanted to cry, it was so sad but cute. The worst was the 4yo who told me to be careful, because his daddy wants to stab me and kill and eat my cat! When I asked why he would say that, he told me “I heard my daddy on the phone telling his friend, “the babysitter is here, my god I want fork that girl, or at the least eat her pussy… cat”! That was my last time babysitting for them, but I did tell the mom to ask her son what he heard his daddy say on the phone about the babysitter, and the fork and her cat! (Obviously she wasn’t letting that go and insisted I tell her so I did! I got her very sincere apology and a fifty dollar tip! Although i felt kinda bad for ratting out the guy, he was never inappropriate with me, and I think its kinda normal to WANT to with an attractive, sexually mature girl. The important thing is as much as he wanted to, he was never inappropriate w/ me!
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@CrazyGirl2 lol I can so imagine that conversation afterwards 😂
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@ChrisMaster69 LOL yeah “So… you want you FORK the 14yo babysitter, or at least eat her pussy… cat?” Somebody slept on the couch that night. I’ll DM you
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@CrazyGirl2 oh darlin’ you say the bestest things
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Seriously a tap on the hand? Still that is violence. Children shouldn't be hit at all.
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@Alwayreckles93 I’m not sure if this is your attempt at trolling, or you are just completely unaware of childhood development? But two year olds lack the verbal communication skills to understand rationalizing why what they did was wrong. And if you think a VERY light tap on the back of someone’s hand is violence… I take it you’ve NEVER “high fived” someone, because that is WAY harder than any tap on a toddlers hand!
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Yeah I wouldn't get advice from a teenager
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You don't have kids and you are not over the age of 30 . Come back when your over the age of, 30 with your first baby.
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@Alwayreckles93 Ok, I’ve CLEARLY articulated my staunch opposition to hitting children. I’ve also expressed why a light tap on the hand would be appropriate for younger children (in my opinion). Also, during this discussion @chrismaster69 (who IS a parent so he’s allowed to have an opinion under your rules) agreed with me! But since you insist on bringing up the irrelevance of my age, as a very poor attempt at an ad hominem attack against me, here are some more bits of info about me that have nothing to do with my OPINION on hitting children, well first I am a certified babysitter, which is kinda relevant, but I'm also a certified rape crisis counselor, certified lifeguard, certified in CPR, as-well-as BCLS (Basic Cardiac Life Support). And not one of those things are as irrelevant as my age, when it comes to me having the opinion that beating children as punishment is abuse! If you disagree with me, I guess you MUST believe that abusing children is ok, since EVERYTHING I have said on the subject, merely reinforces my belief that hitting children is wrong! I guess you disagree? Thats your right, but DO NOT make this about my age! That only makes you appear petty especially when you seem to be in agreement that hitting children is wrong! Back me up here @chrismaster69 did I say that hitting children was ok? Or (as you’ve known me longest) would you say my age, is even close to representing my level of maturity, or disqualifies me from having an opinion on this subject?
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@Alwayreckles93 Also, this is NOT advice! Someone asked “Do you think that children should get whooped if they act up bad?“. We are ALL here to proffer our opinions, nothing more and nothing less. While there are certainly questions where people will ask “What should I do?” Now THAT is someone asking for advice, and I generally stay away from such questions, unless I have direct life experience in that area. For example while a 30y/o who was just raped last night may have NO idea what to do, this teenager (as you so derisively pointed out) was raped on her 13th birthday, and almost every week day after that for three months. So this TEENAGER knows the process AND the system inside-out! And a 30yo could do a lot worse than listening to this TEENAGER! Especially by let’s say listening to another 30yo who’s never been through it!
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You seriously a certified babysitter well parents should only trust people over the age of 30 to watch their kids. You clearly are stupid I never said abusing children is okay. Only people over the age of 30 should be trusted in babysitting kids. Not little girls like you. Yes you are still technically a kid. The best babysitter's are woman over the age of 30 you know a 30 year old has more patience and maturity level to Handel the responsibility of a child. Not a 19 year old that does not know anything about life.
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If you are a baby sitter and not telling lies just to make yourself feel better. You better not be drinking much less bringing guys over to the places where you babysit.
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@Tornado92 Wow kids having kids your girlfriend just plain stupid. If she was 30 yes she would be a great mom but no young moms are the worst parents. You are the age appropriate but your girlfriend she's just plain stupid.
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Again, for the umpteenth time, spanking is not beating!
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@ChrisMaster69 Because they're YOUR kids, not some strangers. You can't walk up to some little girl you don't know and offer her a piece of candy, either. Doesn't mean you couldn't give your own kid a piece of candy. Your "rule" is specious, at best.
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@Alwayreckles93 God, I'm tired of people who call light corporal punishment violence! Perceptions these days are completely out of wack! Violence is if I ball up my fist and beat the crap out of you. A slap on the wrist is not violence.
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@Alwayreckles93 Are you a mom? Curious how you're qualified to make such a judgement. My wife was 19 when she had our first kid and she was a good mom. She was also very strong (not physically, but fortitude).
Also, after reading what @CrazyGirl2 had to say about her past and her certifications, I'd probably take her word over yours any day. - +1 y
@SinceYouAsked Thank you that was very kind of you. As for This Alwayreckless93 (I do not want to actually tag “her”) I genuinely believe that this is a troll account! The fact that “she” has merely engaged in ad hominem attacks against anyone making a comment, first calling me immature, then saying nobody under 30 should babysit. Calling a guys wife/fiancé stupid, calling me stupid. I wouldn't engage them anymore. But I seriously want to thank you for your kind words.
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You're welcome!
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@SinceYouAsked spanking is beating, end of.
Any person that tries to say otherwise is simply an abuser.
Oh it’s not spacious, you know it is not.
What are multiple hits to someone called?
It’s one of the lowest things an adult can do to a child, leave them that impression if they do something an adult does not agree with, they get smacked, hit, thumped, beaten.
It’s an excuse for hitting a kid for often minor infractions, did not put clothes in wash, 6 yr old John gets spanked, lf young 10 yr old Sarah does not get grades… yeah more proving an adult knows best with adult hitting a child.
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@SinceYouAsked I am actually 29 years old I had twins at 26 my twins they put them in separate classes and yet I had this one teacher complaining about my kid. My kids are angels ridiculous people that can't handle the responsibility.
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@Alwayreckles93 OMG! Your 29, and you had children when you were 26? But “Only people over the age of 30 should be trusted in babysitting kids” Those are YOUR words, that’s literally what you wrote! You also wrote “you know a 30 year old has more patience and maturity level to Handel the responsibility of a child”. You wrote that too! Your not even a very good TROLL! You insult people for doing EXACTLY what you yourself are doing! Which is taking care (allegedly) of children you may or may not have! Hey do you own a house yet? I do! I bought it two months after turning 18. (No daddy didn’t buy it) my parents had NO idea that I was buying a house. I simply leveraged future assets (a trust fund), I supplied a business plan, two signed contracts to each pay 4 years rent should I actually get the mortgage to the bank and through MY attorney, secured a mortgage at age 18. So do not tell this “under 30” that I don’t know anything about life! I was raped on my 13th birthday and almost every week day for three months by my uncle! Although he threatened my and my mother’s life, I turned him in the SECOND that I had evidence that he was raping me! I participated with police and prosecutors in securing over 150 separate charges for the child raping asshole! And I’ve been a rape crisis counselor and a peer counselor for girls around my age who have all survived similar rape and abuse as I did. Ever since I was recommended by my therapists who all agreed I had progressed amazingly, and could be a valuable example for others! Go away you troll, crawl back under whatever bridge you crawled out of and leave me the hell alone! You know nothing about me or my life… I would LOVE to say that I was just a kid… fuckin’ love too, but THAT was something that I had stolen from me when I was 13! Just go away!
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@tonita91996 Thank you for the MHO, I sincerely appreciate it 🥰
Light spanking or a light slapping of the hands is okay in my opinion but beating up children is not okay. There's a difference between the two. However, these measures should be taken as a last resort (when children refuse to listen).
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Thanks for MHO.
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I wouldn't spank my own child if I had one. I don't like it. I'm not going to tell people how to discipline their children though.
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Although I'm sure that virtually all of the responses will be 'No', in places where this is still practiced, there is a lot less crime and misbehavior.
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+1 yMy parents spanked me when I was a kid. And, yes, my dad used a belt on me once and a switch that he cut from a tree once (so it was green). He kicked me in the ass a time or two, also. And I will tell you that it definitely reinforces right from wrong. You get a good whipping and I guarantee you, you will NOT repeat the infraction again. That's the whole point. To deter you from repeating bad behavior. It also reinforced that my dad was in charge. You did not question him; you did what he told you to do. You respected his authority and the authority of others. (Any relative or other adult in charge of you was to be obeyed, as well, and was authorized to administer any punishment deemed appropriate.) You respected the rules.
Further, there was corporal punishment in school. They could use a paddle, a yardstick or their hands. The Vice Principle in our Junior High had a finely crafted paddle made from hardwood, with small holes drilled in it to reduce wind resistance. And you definitely did not go home and complain to your parents because you'd get a worse whipping from them for misbehaving, breaking the rules and making them look like bad parents in the bargain.
And, yes, I spanked my kids when they were growing up. I wasn't their buddy; I wasn't their friend; I was their father. And they were expected to do as they were told and behave. I don't recall using a belt on them and I know I didn't use a switch. I may have administered a swift kick to the backside once. There was one time when I had to go to school to hear a teacher tell me how my oldest son (in high school) was doing poorly in class and not performing up to his abilities. I resisted physical punishment. But in my 'discussion' with him, I put a dent in the roof of the car with my fist. He got the point and it was no longer an issue.
This has turned out to be a rather long post. But my point is this. Yes, I believe in physical punishment. I don't think it's abuse. I don't think you can reason with kids like adults. (Hell, you can't reason with some adults like adults.) I think they turn out to be better adults. And I think that babying children, putting them in 'time out' or coddling them has resulted in a generation of whimps and cry-babies, some of whom are still poorly behaved. I don't have time for those people.
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+1 yHitting children doesn’t teach them anything except to fear life, and others.
It’s frustrating dealing with kids it’s difficult to such a ridiculous extent but violence will never teach a child how to be a good adult. Furthermore children are not adults, and far too often are treated as if they should be or as if they should know better when in reality they shouldn’t; because they’re kids.
Hitting is lazy parenting it’s someone not handling the situation in the appropriate way to such an extent that they feel using violence will solve the problem when in reality all it does is creates other issues and problems down the line.
If people want children to understand the reality of their actions then maybe people should just take more of an effort to actually teach their children what cause-and-effect is, what it is when things go wrong and why they have gone wrong.
We often forget that people, and children especially are like mirrors. They will repeat the actions that not only happen to them, but the actions that they witness for the sake of understanding. In doing so habits form, and sometimes more than not habits become a part of who we are. It’s for children it’s that much more important to know that anything that we do as adults will be replicated by the children who View or Are subject to them.
Violence is no way to raise children.
That is my two cents in the matter hopefully bring some sort of understanding.425 Reply- +1 y
Lol damn I read 65 and thought it was your age and it explained your wisdom. But it I'd 65% lol, well that's that's better, at 30 you have wisdom to reasonable explain in detail why violence isn't better than discipline and teaching valuable lessons as opposed to teaching fear.
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In Ernest I’m just a very simple person. Sometimes in simplicity we can find common sense, and logic. The real issue becomes trying not to let retrospection become the determining factor for wisdom.
Far too many times do people gain wisdom far too late in life. Fortunately we can evolve, and grow as people so as to make wise decisions when, and at the time wisdom is needed for the betterment of everyone.
Thank you for your kind words and please be safe and healthy in this ever-changing world. - +1 y
🍒 you too
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EX FUCKING ZACTLY. TREAT KIDS LIKE ADULTS. HOW ELSE WILL THEY BECOME ONE.
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@RandomGuy1030 OMG! You CANNOT treat kids like adults because they are NOT adults. They become good adults by learning appropriate behavior.
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I'm not sure what kind of understanding you're hoping to bring about. But I will start by telling you that a spanking is not violence. It is merely punishment intended to bring about appropriate behavior. I'm also not sure what problems you think it creates down the line. My entire generation and pretty much all the generations before me grew up with corporal punishment. So I guess all the generations before you were somehow flawed? I'm glad you're so perfect.
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@SinceYouAsked All these child psychology experts either don't have kids or their experience with kids is through nieces/nephews. You're absolutely right. You CANNOT reason with children like an adult. Oh hell I've tried. Kids are not adults. They believe the world revolves around THEM. People exist to serve THEM. And without setting a boundary, reminding them of consequences of THEIR behavior (which cannot be done by logical conversation); they will grow up to become Karens.
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@SinceYouAsked you can argue all day long that violence being a form of punishment is acceptable, but the simple reality is that there are many other ways to create punishment. Violence is just the quickest, easiest, and laziest way. I mean in reality it is a very quick, often non thought out process. It takes almost nothing of time or thought to smack someone.
Secondly you may intend to bring about appropriate behavior by hitting, but that doesn’t mean that the end result is exactly what you wanted.
The issue really comes when one thinks that they may be getting the result that they were looking for by using violence, but at the same exact time are also creating other issues. Which really coined the turn of phrase ”At what cost”. You got what you wanted sure, but at what cost.
For example one hits the child, but as we as adults can all understand the child is too young to “understand”. So one continues to hit them until the child finally falls silent.
One of two things have happened the person who was hitting the child has killed the child, or the child has been traumatized to such an extent that they recognize there is nothing that can be done, and are silent.
Literally, and without metaphor or euphemism the child has been “stricken still” in the hopes that they are not struck again. - +1 y
The thought of the adult is that the lesson has been taught, and the thought of the child is that they don’t know what the right answer is, but they do know that not knowing the right answer will get them beaten. So in fear they desperately try, and fail only to be beaten again, again, and again for years of time in the hopes of reaching understanding.
None of which time or assault mind you explains why they are being hit, nor does it allow them to even question what it is That they are being hit for; because in their mind being human is causing pain, and being caused pain to by Someone who supposedly loves them. Therefore to love somebody means to cause them pain in that childs mind.
Later in life after one hits a child all the time the child grows up to hit others all the time. Problems at school with fighting, or lack there of social skills with other students or people.
That’s the parents fault, and ironically is how our laws are written. The sins of the children develop/ are begotten from the sins of the parents, and the parents are fully liable for anything there sons or daughters may do.
Your child causes assault your liable as their parent, your young one steals something you’re on the hook, your kid breaks property guess who’s liable…
You.
Your teenager tired of dealing with shit drunkenly one night decides to beat his girlfriend, and or drive the car drunk thinking that they are Unstoppable ultimately creating a 12 car pile up killing several, and injuring many….
That’s considered the parents fault as well.
You can choose not to believe what I’m telling you, but regardless of whether you do or not the cause-and-effect of your actions might lead to your own downfall in methods and means which were not your own. - +1 y
Violence begets violence, and an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind doesn’t it. Both very old turns of phrases, and older than you or I combined, and even older than much of psychology itself, but for you it’s just psychological nonsense; because you grew up with being hit, and you turned out perfectly fine. The problem is how do you know in reality that you really are perfectly fine. A sociopath may think they’re perfectly fine, yet not realize that everyone around them are not fine; because of them.
Not to call you a sociopath just giving an example of the reality that screams out “just; because things look okay On the outside that doesn’t mean they are okay inside”.
Just because Chernobyl looks really beautiful now doesn’t mean that the soil isn’t so radioactive that if you dig down for any reason you’ll probably die in a week from radiation exposure.
Violence is within itself an inappropriate behavior therefore perpetuating it is wrong. In addition often there are things lying just beneath the surface of a person that we can’t even begin to fathom. - +1 y
You, and i are correct kids are not adults, but as an adult you control your kids entire world.
What they do, what they see, what is around them, and ultimately who they will become. It Is all a cause, and affect of the raising of a child.
One could easily take away toys as a punishment, take away activities, and
sure there’s a lot of crying involved, but if one can’t get over some simple crying then one is not using the resources available in the world like ear buds, and instead choosing a more difficult path. One can easily pay attention to their child while listening to a great song.
Restriction also teaches that crying is not an acceptable response, it is a form of tough love that says you don’t get what you want just; because you cry, and will not be given what you want until you calm down, and try to understand.
It Enforces understanding over fear, and teaches the child how to problem solve when things are not correct. In addition Restriction over Violence begins the conception of punishment just fine. - +1 y
The lesson that is taught overtime is don’t do certain activities, and one will not be restricted.
When restriction is enforced correctly, and if child doesn’t want to end up in situations of restriction causes the effect of not having done bad behavior so as not to be restricted.
By taking the time to explain what bad behavior is, and why it is not acceptable you begin to create understanding. By the way talking to your young ones like their little babies really stunts their ability to talk. It doesn’t mean that they won’t eventually talk, but it will take longer to get them to the point of using full articulate sentences.
Overtime they will learn what you are saying, and why you were saying it ultimately, and as said with time creating the intended results.
Similar, but far from the same overtime hitting will create a result that mirrors what the intended result Would have been, but at the same time creates potentially every unintended result with it.
The similarity is frequency of enforcement. The differences are the end result.
Your argument is that we should stay with the past because it seemed to work out OK, but when have humans ever just stayed doing the same thing not looking for a better answer or result. I’m sorry, but we’re just not that creature, and we will always strive to do anything on this earth better than the previous generation. That sentiment is not limited to anything, and particularly not child rearing.
@mobiusforniner The issue that you most seem to express is your issue with psychology, but I find that interesting; because it doesn’t seem like you understand that psychology Is simply the study of the human mind, and has been around for hundreds of years In some form or another. - +1 y
As it has been discovered people can reason with children, but we must first understand how children think, and what means they often use to communicate. In doing so and gradually with time we can begin to teach our children how to do appropriate things.
For example let’s say you’re hunting it’s probably a good idea to study the map, game trails so that way you know where what you’re hunting is going to be, possibly do some study on the behavior of the creature itself. Are they territorial will they charge, or run away. All of that It’s the concept of psychology you study the mind so that way you know how people will react with a certain amount of Accuracy. Instead of tracking game trails your tracking behaviors, and patterns. Psychology is also used for warfare so as to reflect, and or get into the mind of the enemy for the sake of predicting/creating strategy or Insight into your enemy.
Not to harp too much, but just saying your ish with modern day psychology doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense. Especially considering Psychology is often based on a lot of different forms of understanding, and is used to do/ gain a lot of different Insight into things, people, places, and ideas.
Hell if psychology wasn’t used you would’ve been work like a slave by now never having been paid, and no one ever caring what your physical limits are, and if you ever got to mouthy they would just slit your throat, and be done with you; because you would be considered a thing. Fortunately because of psychology, and its effect on the world over long periods of time we are able to say no we are people, and we deserve better of each other. Psychology is the study/understanding of what it is to be human.
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That said your alternative argument was that children’s World revolve around them.
To be honest with you there are a lot of adults that probably feel that way too. Is it correct “no”, but I do understand your point of view on your whole Karen argument, but I would argue that that style of person is more created by an adult not setting boundaries, and really any type of restriction for their children. With time the byproduct is the child becomes a Karen personality type.
That said as I argued above restriction sets those boundaries just fine, and creates a dynamic where that child can cry all they want it’s literally going to fall on deaf ears; because I am literally going to have earplugs in, and tone it out.
Karen’s arguably have never had any type of restriction that informs them that they cannot do whatever they simply wish to other people. The Karen/ Bias mentality is a byproduct of spoiling someone throughout their life, and not making it very clear to them that crying will only fall on deaf ears. - +1 y
It is our responsibility as adults in which to teach children that crying/whining about things will never get them what they want. In addition it is our responsibility as adults to teach children that lashing out well only create restrictions. that if we want things to become accomplished there are ways to do that in which have nothing to do with whining, crying, or belittling other people. When that is not done you get the Karen byproduct.
This further enforces the mentality that restriction over hitting is definitely the way to go.
All said @mobiusforniner, and @SinceYouAsked I’m not here to try, and control how anyone does anything with their children. Simply to let it be known that there are other options, and that by using a little bit of common sense, and a bit of ingenuity rearing children without violence is always a choice. - +1 y
That yes hitting is lazy parenting especially in a world where we have so many options. In addition I’m also trying to say that just; because things were done in the past, and may have worked out to the present that doesn’t mean that things can’t be done better. As I already said we as humans always strive for better, and we may not always achieve it, but damned be it all if we don’t try. Statistically and proven we have strived, and achieved better in the specific field of child rearing. Does that mean it’s a perfect system, does that mean those who practice that system are perfect. The answer is no, but no one needs to be perfect to try and do better. Also solutions don’t need to be perfect to have better results than other solutions used in the past. We as people will never be perfect, but it’s in our imperfections where we can often find understanding with one another.
So live your lives, and hopefully we have all come to some form of understanding. That said if we haven’t Then there’s nothing I can really do about that is there. So I wish you both happiness, luck, love in life, family, and those in which we choose to share our time. - +1 y
Trust me. I do the take away toys or privileges thing. Want to see kids get violent? I put them in their rooms as punishment, but they scream cry and kick the door so hard they broke it one time... your guys talk it out and reason with kids may work for some, bit with mine, its a joke. Im not justifying violence. I dont spank them because I lost my cool or im angry. Often times im not. I hate to do it. I do it so they equate the pain as undesirable outcome for their actions. We learn through pain, even as adults. you're right, many adults think the world revolves around them too, largely because they were always given what they wanted as kids. Good perspective, better argument than chris, but my kids are mine and im committed to making them upstanding members of society. I hate when others who dont know my children feel entitled to be their parental advocate. Being a parent is not about bring a friend. You do you and your kids, whatver works best for you..
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@mobiusforniner keep in mind it’s always going to be that much harder when you’ve already started a pattern. If you’ve started a pattern of hitting and then suddenly try and change the pattern thinking that it’s going to be so easy….
“not gonna happen”.
In addition it’s just hard to raise kids so on that level I’m totally with you.
Plus It’s five times harder to change something that’s already in motion than it is to start some thing off correctly.
I’m sure your kids do get violent whenever they’re restricted that is a normal byproduct of restriction particularly when you’re not accustomed to being restricted.
In addition it’s a normal byproduct of being a kid. “lashing out”, and acting foolish, Breaking things that’s just being a kid.
I totally get your kids perspective as well being angry, wanting to lash out, breaking things Because of the urge to understand, the want to be understood, how frustrating it is when no one around you gets it, and in addition to want that understanding, but to only get punished when you just so badly want someone to know you. - +1 y
I’m sure as an adult there are times where you feel that way, and you completely understand as well. The reason you don’t lash out like they do is; because you’re grown, and you know how to deal with it in a certain way, but hitting them is not going to communicate to them that method of dealing with things, and you’re not in any way passing on that message by hitting them. Overtime if you continue to do so they may begin to get a glimpse of what you’re trying to teach, but more likely than not you’re just gonna create a ridiculous amount of problems before they get to that point.
like you said you’ve tried, and failed, but to what extent have you actually tried…
* Did you give it a week or maybe even a few weeks before you gave up?
* Did you try on multiple different times completely non-consistently?
* Did you take a fewthings out a couple of times?
* Did you remove everything once.
I’m going to guess the answer to the few questions I just gave is possibly yes on a few of them in some form or another. Its is a very typical mistake that most people make when trying to change dynamics. No research, bad follow-through, lack of consistency with the method of punishment, lack of time to allow the method to implement properly. - +1 y
When it gets to that point where you’ve said something, and kids don’t want to listen it’s important to just take everything out of the rooms immediately, and leave them with nothing. A mattress, some covers, and one pillow, possibly a book that is not a part of their scholastics.
Restriction doesn’t stop until you get to bare essentials of life.
The better they behave slowly they can get things back. If they want to break the door down remove the door. If they don’t want to stay in their room get a stronger door/ Bar the windows. If they are too young to understand those things then they are toddlers, and you definitely should not be hitting them or taking any type of harsh restrictive action; because they’re just too young, but 5 and up all day long for restrictions sure.
Hitting no never.
You say you hit them so that way they can equate pain as something that’s undesirable, but you’re not really teaching anything; because pain with an in itself is already undesirable. No one becomes injured, and says to themselves “yay this is wonderful!”.
What you’re trying to equate pain to is lessons. What I am explaining to use that pain will never be considered a lesson; because simply, and shortly that’s not what pain is.
Pain is not a lesson it is a byproduct of an action that has occurred to an individual. Lessons are things that are taught or learned via understanding, Communication, and or Mishap not things that are beaten in.
Most of the natural pain, and or pain that doesn’t come from a living intentional source will create natural lessons.
Those natural lessons will come by themselves, in their own time, by variables that we do not control, and happen to people at random.
You causing pain is not a natural lesson, nor is it random, it’s you creating/ causing and being with an in yourself the source of pain. - +1 y
You’re right in the sense that there are certain things we do learned through pain, but life itself is more than willing to give us that.
We don’t need anyone parent or otherwise adding towards natural pain, and or a mishap that may occur. The lessons we gain through the cause, and affect of something natural happening to us that has caused the pain has nothing to do with people manipulating or changing the variables to suit their own needs. most of the time natural lessons come by either accident or the natural passing of life.
You, and your children are not inanimate objects. You think, and act independently of anything else therefore you can never come to create a natural lesson ever.
In that there are a very finite amount of things that one learns through pain. It’s not a laundry list of things I promise you, nor can it ever be made a laundry list of things; because then it will just cause mental health disorders.
I understand the desperation you feel wanting them to understand that what they are doing is wrong, but what you’re doing is creating a pattern, and then trying to switch the pattern thinking it’s going to be an easy adjustment.
It’s not! Like by no means would or could it be easy, but Restriction is still the better way.
What you’re trying to do is add to the list of things that people can learn through pain by causing pain in situations that do not require it which is the attempt in which to simulate natural lessons. Which will always be a fail because you are not an inanimate object you are not something that is just happening because a mistake that occurred you are the cause, and effect of the violence. - +1 y
It makes you feel bad; because you recognize the reality of what you’re doing. That in fact you are the cause, effect of pain, and in fact that to cause pain is bad. Logically you feel bad doing it; because it is a bad thing to do, and you are not a sociopath therefore you can understand these things.
The problem being that you yourself were raised in that manner. So it’s very difficult for you having already formed a habit of how you would deal with other people for you to change that habit. It causes unbelievable stress to you whenever you even try, and think of a different way to manage your children than hitting.
Literally try and think of one right now it’s just gonna stress you out.
This stress is a byproduct, and is completely normal. Look if we have a pattern presented to us, and we make that pattern a part of ourselves is going to be extremely difficult/ stressful just like with your children to break that pattern.
That said once again, and this is the 3rd time I’m going to say this for clarification.
I’m not trying to tell you how to raise your kids I am just simply informing you that there are patterns being created, other options to take, and that often times people don’t take those options; because they like to make excuses. Which ironically enough is another byproduct of using violence to try and teach your children.
We make excuses so that way we can attempt at lying or waiting our way threw a scenario, or problem.
We try to say we cannot do XYZ thing; because of XYZ reasons, or that XYZ thing happened because of some other XYZ thing that had nothing to do with us even though it was our responsibility.
The reality of being human is that we can do whatever the hell we want to do as long as we really want to do it, and put in at times ridiculous amount of effort. Kids inherently are “Ridiculous” amounts of effort. - +1 y
The fact is we do not need to make excuses about why things go wrong if something goes wrong all we need to do is figure out a solution.
We do not need to make excuses for why things are bad to then try an create false narratives.
We can just admit/explain that things are bad for XYZ reason, and in the future we should try an avoid XYZ thing. If XYZ thing is not avoided in the future the punishment is restriction.
It may be difficult to create restriction sometimes kids/ teens could be particularly strong, the kids/teens may not listen very well, or may have created a pattern already which will be difficult to switch. That said there is always a way in which to create restriction, and avoid violence always. It may be time consuming, it may be a financial hit, and or it may take some serious ingenuity, but there’s always a way. - +1 y
Now look for the fourth time now it’s fine if you’re going to be who you are, and go your own way with raising your children.
Totally expected!
I’m just saying don’t make an excuse for why you’re not choosing another option; because your excuse is not valid. It basically boils down to “oh it’s hard”.
Just admit the fact that you simply don’t want to put in that kind of effort or that you simply choose to continue the path you want to continue. You’re not gonna convince me of anything, and you don’t have to convince me of anything in reality.
That said, and this is very much applies with talking to me. When somebody makes an excuse at me, and expects for me not to shoot that excuse to hell, and back then they’re fooling themselves. I don’t do good with excuses because all excuses are are made up reasons to not do whatever we need to do as people.
That said the moment that that person admits it’s an excuse, and just simply says I need to find another way is the moment that we as people begin to discover new things.
So live your life @mobiusforniner, and do your best. No one is looking for any excuse, and no one is looking for you to change if you don’t want to.
My only objective is to put out real factual knowledge, and legitimate options for the sake of people coming to understand what it is that they do, and what it is that they have the potential to do. - +1 y
The choices on those options are solely the individuals. So once more @mobiusforniner I do wish you good luck, And that you are able to find the best way for yourself.
+1 yHitting children, including disciplinary "controlled spankings" has been shown to damage them for life in terms of cognitive and social development.
Article from Harvard University "Perhaps surprisingly, says Cuartas, spanking elicits a similar response in children’s brains to more threatening experiences like sexual abuse." - so yeah, if you think sexually abusing your kids is a good idea when they are acting up, go right ahead.
Article from American Psych Association "“It’s a very controversial area even though the research is extremely telling and very clear and consistent about the negative effects on children,” says Sandra Graham-Bermann, PhD" - mostly because people think being parents makes them experts. "I had sex, so I know what's good for children."
"Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children."
.20 Reply655 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. Kids are born a blank slate they learn from their parents whether it's positive or negative if their parents yell and scream all the time that's how the kids are going to act you don't listen to your words they watching a pet since you how you act around your friends your body language you're smart assness how are you talk to people if you lie to people they pick up on that they become you because that's all they know there's nobody else around them teaching them anything you do not have to touch your kid to discipline first of all you don't discipline and you don't take away things you give them more responsibility
From 5 to 10 years old I used to get beat with a belt and I mean literally Pete and then the guy would say that he loved me that's not love that's making it all about himself you can't teach Somebody anyting by getting a whooping that lowers self-esteem that teaches kids if you want something or if you want your your way are you think that somebody's doing something wrong hit the person you don't do that I raise my kids without yelling one time to him without spanking in without hitting him all I would have to do is look at him and say pssst. He could hear that from around the block is very quiet but he would walk up to me when I would do that and eat say yes Dad and I would explain to him why he doesn't jump on people's furniture or destroy people's property bye run to the bushes are whatever it might have been it was very quick and to the point and I see do you understand and he would say yes and I would say okay you guys go play have fun just pay attention to what you're doing and that's all it would take
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI was beat my parents. Always resorted to violence. And my parents wonder why I always resort to violence. You teach by example and you deserve what you get. Both my parents are deluded. There are other ways of teaching children. We should make it mandatory for parents to take child psychology courses prior to breeding. It is absolutely not ok letting people who have no experience breed like this. Stop letting retards breed. The biggest problem with the world is the fucking boomers. They led by example with their shit parenting and this is why we have such shit parenting today. And people always wonder why. Boomers just about ruined everything for us newer generations. They started a cancerous cycle. When a child shoots up a school they look at it with a surprised pikachu face. Most don’t even know what bullying is. From experience of seeing other parents, they might just say get over it and keep going with life. If you have anxiety, the boomers will tell you to deal with it. They don’t realize anything til they lose their child. It’s a fascinating cycle to study really. You’d think these fucking moronic boomers would learn and take a different approach. If you challenge them they will think that just because they came to this world earlier than you did, that they have all the experience in the world and know what they’re doing. They’re so hopeless so it’s best to just laugh at them 🤣.
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Exactly I agree I was whoop and I ended up getting in fights back in highschool.
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If it wasn't for us Boomers (and all the generations before us), you wouldn't be here. Also, if kids were made to behave, you probably wouldn't have people shooting up schools. A lot of those people are young people raised with this 'use your words' attitude. If you think all the generations who came before you are wrong and you're the only one who's right, maybe you're the one who needs to see a psychologist. Learn to deal with the world as it is. Also, stop generalizing.
Opinion Owner+1 y@SinceYouAsked I personally believe we are all born into this world by Gods will. And most definitely not by boomers like yourself. It’s your mostly uneducated generation of people that has caused this cycle. More modern parents are somewhat more willing to understand their children psychologically. And even then they are still flawed. Our generation was never right to begin with. Our generation is much worser than yours. Hypersexualized women, schools being shot up, people saying they care about mental health when they really don’t. For fucks sake, it wasn’t until Covid when the majority of people realized that Doctors save lives and that mental health is very important. Why do you think all of this is happening? Because it got influenced by your generations horseshit parenting. Or maybe I’m all wrong and it’s just America. America has a record of only taking action on to alleviate problems til they get fucked with it. I find it extremely fascinating how our country can force masks but not force any restrictions for people who are absolutely not fit to parent. Not now. Not ever.
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@Alwayreckles93 Get over yourself.
Stop living in the past.
+1 yThe way I liked best when I was a kid and what worked best to inspire me to behave was being required to do difficult activities as a punishment like carrying buckets filled with water with my arms outstretched, being required to run many laps around schools, push-ups on our knuckles, do chores in the house, etc. Then after completing my punishment, the adults would pat me on the back and let me join and play once more and that made me feel proud for completing my punishment and also made me want to be good.
I prefer that way now. It's militaristic but doesn't involve any violence. When it came to violent forms of corporal punishment (which I received a lot from my mother with the belt), only made me think that adults are sadistic and cruel and it made me become increasingly defiant. By the time I outgrew my mother and she pulled out the belt in anger, I grabbed it out of her hand and she didn't know what to do and so I basically grounded myself.21 Reply- +1 y
Also in my case, I was a vert skateboarder and I was used to doing things like falling 20+ feet to the flat bottom from an air hang-up and taking severe injuries even as a teeny boy. My friends and I also used to punch each other as hard as possible for fun and to test our strength and pain tolerance. The belt didn't even really hurt in comparison.
Someone would need to use something like a baseball bat if they wanted to make me become discouraged by the threat of that type of punishment. All it really taught me was that adults are violent and can take their bad days out on me. I think it's also what made me fall in love with violence.
I think its just an American / western cultural thing where hitting as a form of discipline is wrong. If you take a look at vast majority of other countries all throughout history, physical punishment had always been used as a way of disciplining children for thousands of years. Its only been over the past 2 or 3 decades where its no longer used. My parents were raised being physically disciplined by their teachers. I was raised physically disciplined by my parents. And no, I'm not crazy, insane or suffer from mental health issues.
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+1 yI believe that there are so many different ways to parent and no correct way. When I seriously acted up as a child I got my butt swatted two to three times with a belt. I don't think it did any damage whatsoever and it did make me mind. Every child is different however and what works for one may not work for the other. My little brother used to get whooped all the time and it didn't change his behavior a bit. There is no parenting manual and as long as you are not causing lasting damage to the child I think parents should be left to make that choice for themselves. The problem nowadays however is everybody thinks they know best and everybody wants to get involved when it's none of their business. I remember getting my butt swatted in Walmart when I was throwing a fit. If you did that nowadays somebody would call DCFS on you simply for disciplining your child. It's just ridiculous how much things have changed.
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+1 yIf a person has to physically abuse a child to get through to them, they are the one out of control. They waited too long. Guidance of right and wrong starts well before the age they start to rebel. Frustration, on both sides then comes to this. Kids who already know right from wrong, from babies, don’t act up. They already know there are boundaries and consequences to actions, with follow through, every time.
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+1 yWell, whenever I disrespect my mother, she smacks me with my dad's belt, the TV remote and sometimes even her slippers.
There are better ways to handle your kids. If parents hit their child, the child will develop trust issues and won't feel like opening up to the parent. Also, the kid may start rebelling and it will only make things worse. They may start hiding things from you, sneaking out etc.
I don't have kids, so I cannot say that I'd never do that.. because I may, if my child starts acting up but I would never beat them to the extent that my mother did to me.120 Reply- +1 y
The problem is people don't have the time or patience so fear is the tool.
Kids end up rebelling anyway or become more sensitive a little smack now and then is perhaps good even to face the outside world - +1 y
@Aakash_Hangargi That’s not a good excuse. Kids should be taught to respect elders, not to fear them.
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Instilling fear in kids never works out. You have to teach them to not do wrong things or disrespect older people. Hitting them is not going to solve anything. Some parents go overboard to the extent that they’re downright abusing their kids.
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@Aakash_Hangargi you are wrong. that “little smack now and then” will cause trauma to those children, they will grow to fear you instead of respecting you. they will also grow to resent you, so once you’re old and rotten, and when you need your kids to be there, they will give you the middle finger because you made their childhood, the time they needed you to make them feel safe, hell.
it will also cause problems for them in the future, you’re literally teaching them that it’s okay for them to be treated like shit and get hit, so what happens when your daughter grows up and gets in a relationship with an abusive man who beats her up? she will just take it, because that is exactly what her father, the man who was supposed show her to not take any shit from anyone, did to her.
sounds great to you, right?
dumb fuck. - +1 y
You guys are a bit sensitive on this.
See respect , i highly doubt what kids understand about respect that concept is more for the above teen adults were they understand it.
And you can do whatever you want i don't think kids will truly respect any person whom they live with.
Bc its about dependency and you are going to be restricted by rules and them not as much so you are going to rebel bc you would feel controlled even though it's for own good.
And also you become easy toy for the outside bullies.
I mean a little hit not an attempt to murder or like constant abuse just only when they are very very out of the line.
Fear is a necessary tool which should be used wisely and not unnecessarily.
No matter what you do , if your kids want to give you middle finger they will give it anyways even though you were a freaking angel.
You can make your kids safe all the time.
And let me tell you something how i am looking at it so you and your friends fight right playfully or wresstle sometimes pull a prank and get hit or hit them
Even on the genitals now you don't consider that as abuse right.
And you know they are safe.
Your friends sometimes are upset with you can scream and shout on you when you did something wrong and that you will be accepting it.
So why not when parents try to teach you something?
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@Aakash_Hangargi I’m not sensitive. Maybe your culture has normalized that type of toxicity, but it is unacceptable to beat your kids black and blue. Why is even that “slight smack” necessary? Why not teach raise your tone or teach your kids to be respectful since they’re small?
My mom gets mad easily, yells at me over trivial things and beats me black and blue even over silly stuff. That’s crazy and honestly, has only made mg relationship with her worse. I don’t trust her with anything because I know that she will get mad and hit me. You can give advice, raise your tone and instill good manners, but beating your kid is just awful
And no, my friends and I are not rough with each other. We do not wrestle or hit each other. - +1 y
However, IF the kid gets out of control, it is acceptable to give that “slight smack” but that’s about it. Beating with a belt is a HELL NO from me.
People have different styles of parenting and that’s alright - +1 y
Well it depends on person to person.
And how smart are they about taking action and without damaging a kids soul.
Yes in my culture it was very common to punish undisciplined kids but they showed love as well.
Well in our culture they are softer to girls as they are not that much naughty or don't do rebelious things or hide it pretty well.
Raising tone is also abuse in someways ok i understand difference of opinion acknowledged your point let's end it here 🌹 - +1 y
Yup beating with belt is unnecessary
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@Aakash_Hangargi It’s just a difference in opinions is all. 😊
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as you said smarty, if the kid wants to give you the middle finger they will do it regardless. so how about trying to talk to them and explain/show right from wrong instead of hitting them and saying “you CAN’T do this or that”
there are many many other ways to disciplining a child, sure they might take longer than just beating them but the results will be much different and your child won’t end up with any traumas that then affects them later in life. - +1 y
Ok cupcake 😃🧁
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So, tell me, since you obviously know SO much more on the subject than I do, exactly how do you teach them respect without having that 'tool in your toolbelt'? I mean, I've only raised 2 kids and have 2 grandkids. If I had not been disciplined as a kid, I'd have probably thought I could get away with anything.
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@Blackcupcake Amazing how some of you younger folks, with no kids of your own, seem to be experts on the subject of raising children. You also conflate things that are in no way equivalent and make great leaps in logic based on 'facts' not in evidence. SMH
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@Blackcupcake If my kid ever gave me the middle finger, he'd have been picking himself up off the ground before he knew what hit him. And, trust me, he would NOT do that again. If that 'traumatizes' him, so be it. But he has to know that he CANNOT get away with that - ever, for any reason.
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@SinceYouAsked I never said I knew more about parenting than you do. I won’t use belt or any other tools on my kid. People have different styles of parenting and that’s okay. I will smack my kid with hand if he/she gets out of control.
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That too, ONLY if they get out of control, and it won’t be to the extent that they start bruising.
You may have had a different style of parenting.. and others may have a different one. All 4 of grandparents never hit my parents. They turned out fine. - +1 y
You say they turned out fine then why they hitting you?
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@Aakash_Hangargi My father does not hit me, my mother does.
Besides, who said people cannot have different styles of parenting? That is my mother’s way. I’ll follow a different parenting style when I’m older and have kids of my own. - +1 y
I did not mean for you to take me literally when I referenced 'tools in my toolbelt'. It was a figure of speech.
+1 yOf course! I got my butt spanked multiple of times for disbehaving. It’s not like your striking down you child with the power of zues! Your literally teaching them discipline. You would rather your child do things in society and give them what they want when they cry and complain? Then you’ll raise a child who thinks the world is theirs and theirs alone. They will say my parents always got me everything so should you. That’s why discipline. Its a thing to teach them they ain’t nothing above another person and they are consequences for every choice your child does. Your not committing child abuse it’s strictly discipline. I love my parents to this day and I have no grudges against them. Everyone who is a parent and didn’t spank their children are the ones that will teach their children it’s ok it’s not your fault or my child would never do such a thing, your a liar my child is an angel, blah blah blah
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+1 yWithout a doubt, it shouldn't be used on anyone, it is a horrendous method of punishment. If your child need to be disciplined, wait until you have all calmed down and sit them down and in a calm way explain to them, what they did is wrong and offer them alternative ways of dealing with things. If you lash out to your child, you are teaching them that violence is the answer. It is not and never has been.
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+1 yNot anymore it made sense for my parents, it made sense for me and my brother. But when I have kids, I don't think I'm going to hit them and if I do, it would almost exclusively be because I don't want them to be intimidated by people who threaten them with violence in the future.
I don't think the world we live in is a place where that mentality works anymore. Kids complain in class, they are taken very seriously when they leave the house. Probably more seriously than their parents at their jobs. And because of how culture in this country is now, I don't think hitting your kids has the same psychological effect on a kid that it did 20+ years ago. It's a much deeper cut for them and they're traumatized by it.00 Reply
+1 yDepends on the issue and the child. The punishment needs to be proportionate to the behavior. If a child runs into traffic that is ass-whooping worthy because an ass-whooping is a physically painful punishment for a behavior that can cause physical harm. If the child says something bad maybe a time-out/grounding is sufficient. Whoop a child too much and they will grow immune to it. The punishment must also be something the child cares about and has an affect on them. If the punishment does not phase them they will not care and continue the bad behavior.
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I don't think so I can understand actually fighting them that is different. It depends the way you discipline whooping them.
458 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. To be honest, few kids deserve it.
Most just need proper instruction on their level, and a backup for when they forget.
Think of it like you're making something first time, with no prior instruction, from something you're watching on a TV in another language at the other side of a room.
That's how it is for most kids. they don't know their minds, bodies, consequences, expectations, laws and everything else. The poor sods are usually being directed by adults who have their shit together less than they do.
It's why I am for adult education00 ReplyI used to get spanked w/a metal stew spoon! My grandma would use her belts! It taught me manners and respect I suppose.. kids today lack a lot of that. I notice my in laws here like to just shove their kids away w/the phones or Ipads if they're bothering them. My mom or grandma would've spanked me and told me to go sit my ass down!
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+1 yi think that in a socialization toolkit, an "ass whooping" should not be missing. that doesn't mean that you ever have to use that tool, depending on how well the other tools work for you. but it doesn't mean this tool should be missing from the kit.
like if you need to put a nail in the wall one day, you're not gonna take the pliers. you're not gonna take the screwdriver. you'll take the hammer... but maybe you don't need a single nail in your house :D hope that analogy makes sense.00 Reply tbh Some kids really do need spankings, I don’t think parents should whip their children with belts but I think like a stick to the palms of the Hands stings enough to straighten you out. Some kids don’t listen to you when you try to reason with them, their reasoning is already not on par with how an adult reasons. Discipline definitely varies depending on each kid tho.,
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+1 yYes. Nothing comes from not slapping them. Since in the name of love, you don't give them a well-timed smack, just look around. People went crazy. Go on tiktok. People are entitled little pricks with no consideration for others.
I would say yes in that rare case when the parents actually know how to raise children. Then time out works. Looking around me, that's incredibly rare.11 Reply- +1 y
I would say no, not yes.
+1 ythat was more a old fashioned thing to grow up as well behaved even schools did it in those days a few things are easier now my mum and her family explained it was hard but i dont think its right but it was more a old fashioned thing kids went through
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+1 yDepends on how badly they are acting. Some say "Spare the rod, spoil the child." But the Lord says: "
Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.” – Proverbs 13:24 I'm not sure "Whopping" them is what he had in mind though.
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+1 yI don't have kids, so it'd be disingenuous of me to say "I'd never do that", but it's certainly not something I'd do quickly or easily. Kids learn from what they experience, and trying to reason with them will get much better results than normalizing violence.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI understand about being firm with kids but hitting them is wrong. If it scars then emotionally I don’t want a bozo on here to say “whatever dude they need tough love”. To those idiots who think hitting kids builds them and toughens them up just remember, day you will get old. One day you may need your kids to take care of you. When the roles are reversed I guess it’s ok for the kids who are now adults to hit their parents who are now seniors to toughen them up. It’s the stupidest logic to have for kids.
I don’t respect people who do that, I don’t condone those actions. It’s important as a parent the child sees their parent working hard, cleaning, cooking, doing drinking, not doing drugs, not yelling at the spouse or others, treating others kindly, showing love and affection. You provide that environment for kids they will grow up properly appreciating their parents.01 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 yNot drinking*
Basically setting a good example or examples
+1 yHonestly I wouldn't
There's better forms of punishment out there like taking things away or giving them chores
Exercises another good one like for each time they curse they have to do 10 push-ups
Things like that because then they're less likely to hate you and they learn skills or get healthier with their punishment things like that I think is better and only that but they still hate doing it so still works10 Reply
+1 yNo I don't only because 7/10 times nobody told that child that what they are doing or how they are behaving isn't appropriate and there should be a conversation between the child and the parent (s) on why the behavior is appropriate, what can replace the behavior, and letting the child know if there does happen to have a repeat of the incident that there will be consequences following the behavior , but there will also be a small reward to not doing it, ending the conversation with no misunderstandings. The child is a human and should be treated like how you would treat an adult so the grow up to being a matured adult. There is no reason whatsoever on any circumstances that a grown woman or man should EVER put a hand on a child to harm them in any way shape or form. No situations are excluding that also.
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And a consequence would be, no going outside the week, sitting in the bedroom until you go to school the following morning bringing them out to eat dinner or use the restroom of course, taking phones, tablets, laptops, TV remote, cleaning the house, taking toys, consequence is removing what they do in their me time or to entertain themselves because you smacking them then letting them go back to what they enjoy having as a privilege then the defeats the whole purpose of you getting mad and you hitting them. In their mind you got mad big deal I get to go have fun so it wasn't that bad and that is exactly why you have a reoccurring issue.
I think striking children is the last resort of uninvolved parenting. Your children should be taught to respect you, love you, die for you (figuratively), and fear your authority beginning when they are very young. Striking children is not necessary to control their behavior. There are rare exceptions, but, young people will usually turn out the way they've been raised and through the consistent examples you and your spouse set.
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A child should not be obligated to have respect for the parents if the parents aren't good example or are not good parents.
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@Alwayreckles93 Respect parents that deserve it. If both parents don't deserve, the child should be looking for an exit from that household as soon as an avenue opens up for them. These days, social services are astute at removing children from abusive homes. Unfortunately, children can then be placed in abusive foster homes. There is really no easy answer when a child is trying to have a normal childhood and has to deal with a ton of physical, emotional, and psychological trauma that will definitely be leading them to make or to consider wrong paths in life.
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@Alwayreckles93 If kids don't respect you, you have no control and they will grow up out-of-control. Trust me, if my kids had not respected me, I'd have told them to go find another home.
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If my kids had not shown me respect, that's exactly what I would have told them - go find someplace else to live. And spanking is not abuse; it's punishing bad actions. There's a big difference.
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@SinceYouAsked I never said that striking kids was abusive. I also implied that, rarely, some kids deserve a physical response to their bad behavior (s). Then again, some kids that act out are responding to the crap that is going on around them and disruptive behavior could be a cry for help.
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@SinceYouAsked When I grew up, I had to deal with many older family and distant relatives who had violent tendencies and a dumb, brutish attitude about children... basically that young people were to be seen and not heard, that they had no rights or voice against adults, and, I witnessed many of my siblings getting beaten for no good reason. Dumb Aunties and Uncles would smack and punch kids and tell them to stay quiet about it or they would be getting harder smacks and more severe beatings. Both a cousin and an brother-in-law tried to sexually abuse me. I told my dad and he asked me what I had done. Only my mom gave me the benefit of the doubt and championed me. Only she confronted these two losers on my account. It came out that they had been bothering other female relatives and that's when my dad finally stood up for me. I am saying all of this to say that striking children is not a cut-and-dried action. "Children" are already full human beings and they possess feelings and memories that will remain with them for the rest of their lives. They are not blind to unfair treatment, they can harbor resentments, and these negative experiences can effect how they treat family members (and others) when these kids grow up... that unfinished business. Be careful how you treat all of your family members... no matter their age.
+1 yno I don't think so, it will probably give them low self esteem, and as someone who's lived my whole life with no self esteem... It's not a good way to live... Might aswell be dead since you're so restricted from the freedom of lifeIf I ever had a kids I would show nothing but love.. they wouldn't wanna behave badly because they would respect me... The only reason I was so naughty is cos I hated my mum and didn't respect her... So every time she shouted at me it just made me behave worse and made my self esteem worse
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+1 yNope.
My mom thought that was a solution, and temporarily- yes, I was a good kid, but I am the most undisciplined person in the world, always break the rules and hate doing things by rules, once I am not beaten anymore 🤣
So no, that’s not a solution for teaching kids about discipline.
These things must be encouraged not forced, once you start forcing them things by violence, kids will keep going back to their old ways, when there’s no force anymore.00 Reply552 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. There are always better ways to handle kids when they're acting difficult. Hitting a child might make the child stop acting that way in front of you and will not say/do things which they shouldn't but it doesn't mean that they'll stop. It just means they won't do it when you're around and they'll hide everything they do which they know you won't approve and if you keep hitting them, it will only make them drift away from you and develop resentment towards you.
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I got whipped and spanked as a kid. I didn't drift away from my parents or resent them. And I didn't do the kinds of things I was punished for when away from them. Kids today are too sensitive.
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+1 yIt doesn't end well when the kids grow up. The people who say "I turned out all right" are usually the most messed up people. The kids who are whooped usually grow up as wife beaters or the daughters will grow up thinking it's okay for a man to hit them so they wind up in an abusive relationship because they don't know any better.
It's also lazy parenting. Hitting someone is a lot easier than sitting down and explaining why their actions are wrong.20 Reply
+1 yI believe that parents should sit with their children and make them understand that what they did was wrong by having a serious conversation with them. Kids need to learn what the consequences of doing those things are. I don't believe in spanking or anything like that I believe in grounding them like no video games for x amount of days or no watching TV for x amount of days.
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I'm more inclined to just remove privileges they don't show themselves responsible enough for rather than punishments, if you get my meaning.
Talking with them about why they acted the way they did, about how they think their actions makes others feel, and why they're a problem, and ask how they feel that we should deal with that issue.
Works fairly well once they're old enough to respond to that.
A time out can also be useful sometimes for younger children to just get out of a mindset, not as punishment but just to calm things down a bit so you *can* talk with them. - +1 y
+1 yIf they are old enough to reason with then why hit them? If they're too young to reason with, then why hit them?
It's scientifically proven that using physical punishment has long term negative effects on children throughout their entire lives.00 Reply"Whooped" suggests a plan and the use of an object. No.
But:
A quick "impact calibration" at the moment of an appropriate event is OK.
My toddler boy made a break for it in a Walmart when I briefly stopped holding his hand. Panicking, I ran straight to the entrance and, sure enough, he arrived just after I did. He had just earned a solid whack on his diapered little ass.00 Reply
+1 yNo but I think you can "whoop" them with your words and demeanor so they get that negative reinforcement for misbehaving. I don't mean to the point where you're just psychologically tearing them down. But if a kid is acting shitty, you should respond in a way that drives home the message that they need to stop being shitty.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yI think you should approach parenting with the intention of using words to resolve situatons.
That said I have met more than a couple of trolling teens that you just can't reason with so your choice becomes to whoop them or allow them to be the boss. I would certainly like to think that someone is whooping their ass.10 Reply
+1 yNo, they shouldn't. It gives them depression and anxiety. When kids are young they don't know anything so they have to be told properly. It's the parents who don't know how to raise kids. And they end up by beating the kid thinking it works. F*****g morons
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And what if you tell them what to do or how to act and they still don't behave as they are supposed to?
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That depends on how the parents teach them. And if they don't listen then tell them they can't watch TV or use phone or go out with friends for few days
Discipline is good. The problem is a lot of parents would BEAT their children. Some people just shouldn’t be parents. Parents should NEVER be “friends” with their children. The lack of discipline and befriending children is why so many people are screwed up today. And each generation is getting worse. Parenting requires a lot, and most people aren’t cut out for the job.
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I agree there is a difference between beating them and spanking or paddling them. One is can cause physical harm. The other discourages bad behavior.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yNo
Not unless you want to see your son or daughter slap the living shit out of a comedian on national tv for an insensitive joke.
If we have "unanimously" decided after the Oscars that violence is not okay. Why is it okay towards children?
Dont be a lazy parent. Take the time and effort to teach them good manners without being violent. Dont have kids if you can't treat them with the love and respect they deserve.01 Reply- +1 y
Really? You're conflating this with Will Smith's actions? First of all, I think the Will Smith thing is "much ado about nothing". It was a blip on the radar. It's over; let it go. Second, I think your leap from a spanking to public 'violence' is mind-boggling.
I never was an advocate of beating a kid with a belt. I wasz though, a supporter of spanking. Now that I've reflect about it, I don't think physical violence benefit in any way the behavior of a kid. It only teach them fear, it teach them to justify violence. Only that. It doesn't actually teach anything related to limits you shouldn't cross, or morality. Therefore, is ineffective.
Little is exposed about psychological violence (which can develop alone, without physical violence).00 Reply
+1 yYes and no. I'll put it into 3 categories. First are kids that are so well behaved that they actually punish themselves after fucking up. 2nd would be little bastards that could use an ass whoopin (I was one) to straighten them out. Finally 3rd is the ones that end up killing their parents or were prison bound anyway, that shit only intensifies the anger!
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+1 yLike with all things in life, it depends. Personally, I don't like the idea and won't hit my children because I see them as humans equal to fellow adults. But if other parents want to discipline or punish their kids differently, fine with me, so long as they don't drag them or whip them with excessively strong items (like a belt or a sandal).
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Under only very severe circumstances, I will hit my children by either spanking their butt or slapping their hand. I don't think a simple bad grade or detention is enough to do just that. I don't even think yelling or backtalking is enough. If I overhear my kids calling other people names like f*g, n-word, or start fights with other kids, then I'll get my acts real straight with them
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But with that said, it's very unlikely my kids will go around calling people these names because I will tell them that only idiots and punks use homophobic and racist slurs. I will raise them right
2.9K opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. Yeap absolutely.
Everyone I've seen with a kid that doesn't get disciplined like that has turned out to be a massive entitled, arrogant brat. No exceptions.32 Reply- +1 y
I was beaten by my parents and I always got into fights back in highschool with the other kids.
+1 yif you, being an adult, have to resort to beating children in order to get your point across you shouldn't be a parent, guardian or educator. children do not understand physical violence. if I ever caught someone giving the belt to a kid I would loose my mind and beat them senseless with the buckle myself. Pulp Fiction style.
00 ReplyDepends on how bad but most likely no. It's better to give them difficult chores to do rather than beating them. My mom threatened me to whoop me with a stick but never did it. Threatening works well and difficult chores as punishment too.
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+1 yI once offered my sister to go after her one rowdy kid with my military-grade tactical belt. She said that goes too far, and declined the offer. That little brat is in for a very rude awakening one day!
00 ReplyThat depends on your definition of "whooped".
If you are talking about a spanking, then yes, I could agree depending on the circumstances.
If you are talking about a beating then NO. Children should never be beat, disciplined yes beating no.
It also depends on the child's age.10 Reply- 2.2K opinions shared on Family & Friends topic.
+1 yI think whipping should only happen if verbal admonition does not work and other methods like hiding their cell phone, don’t work, or if they act in an inexcusably evil way.
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+1 yNope, just leads to mental trauma and an increased likelihood of perpetuating abuse in the future. It's also a false preparation as that's not how you deal with similar situations in adulthood.
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I guess I must be pretty rare, then. Because I got spanked and whipped as a kid and I have never started a fight, never shot anyone (or stabbed or choked them). I was mentally stable enough to get a high level clearance while in the military and to be a youth leader after that, so I must be hiding that trauma really well.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 ylook at the weak and entitled generation now. These are people brought up without ever getting hit by their parent for being a cunt. Do you want this mess to continue? Children become better adults when you instill boundaries on them and for some kids just talking to them sternly isn't enough.
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Children being ‘cunts’ 😅 lol okay
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+1 yNope. I was a menace as a teen cause I got my ass whooped.
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Put the emphasis on the h in ‘whooped’ lol
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Lyndsielee,666 is that why your user name is the devil's number too.
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Damn you guessed it 🙄
YES. And some of these white folks make all white people look soft, claiming that whooping your kids (within reason of course) is abuse.
You can just tell someone who said that didn't grow up with black parents. They don't fuck around!10 Reply
+1 yI don't know I did and still do if I mess up bad enough. But tbh im not sure if it's helps. There are some things I won't do because sometimes I really don't want to get hit.
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+1 yThe rule my ex-husband and I had was that as long as they were in diapers they got swatted on the ass. After that, we took things away like their video games, bike, and cars when they got older.
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+1 yNo not at all talk to the child ask them questions and he more understanding. If a teacher comes up to me complaining about my kid I said it's their fault not my child's.
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OMG! That's EXACTLY what's wrong with society today. Your kid's teacher tells you your kid is not behaving and you blame them? WTF? That just teaches kids that they can get away with anything and they don't have to follow rules.
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@SinceYouAsked No I tell my kid they're not door mats.
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Your teacher says your kid is not behaving or not doing their studies or bullying some other kid and, all of a sudden, your kid is a doormat? That's messed up. No wonder they can't get teachers in school today.
What do you consider "whooped?"
Whipping a kid on the bare butt with a belt?
Spanking a kid on the bare butt?
Slapping the kid on the face?
Throwing kid against the wall?
Etc.00 Replyi just don't think it's very healthy to instill fear into children by hitting them... i think that grounding or something like that is a much better punishment.
00 ReplyHell no that's the worse thing u can do it's never ok to hit your own kid I grow up old school trust me it don't work when I was a kid I was good only at home but when I walk out those doors I cause mayham when I was a kid lol
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It worked for me. I rarely misbehaved. Because I knew, if it got back to my parents, I'd get it even worse.
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+1 ySometimes the fear of a smack is good enough, other time a slap when they are naughty, but I don't believe in parents lashing out at their kids in anger. That's how you breed future criminals!
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+1 yYou're teaching them to nod do the wrong thing for the wrong reason. You're instilling fear and a blind obedience to authority.
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