For people that don’t want kids, why not?

[Dat-Alpha-Lion]

[TheSpaceGnome]

Forgive the partial copy paste, but I've answered this question from others many times before, and there is no point to rewriting the entire thing.

They are a lifelong commitment to problems with no benefits unless you enjoy parenting (and I do not).

I don't want to have to clean up someone else's messes, I hate bad smells, I don't want to suffer from irreplacable property damage to my stuff, I don't want to lose any sleep, and I don't want a reduction to my free time.

I don't want limitations on what I can have or do in my own home just to make it child friendly (ie no exotic pets, no sharp objects, no open electronic devices, no workshop tools or machines, no porn, no violent games or movies, etc.).

I don't want to help someone learn their schoolwork or language or other life basics, as it makes me feel like I'm starting over. And lastly, I don't want to be in charge of anyone, pay for anyone else, or worry about anyone else doing stupid things.

There is also the possibility that they will be nothing like me and we won't get along, and normally I just shut those people out of my life, but you can't do that with your own child (or at least I never would).

I prefer being around people who are gifted intellectually and talented/skilled who share my hobbies and interests, dealing with anyone else is frustrating, and there is the chance that my kid may not be high functioning or have my taste in entertainment or studies.

It is fine if you disagree with any or all of this, at least some people need to disagree with the value of my viewpoints for the species to continue, but I'm not interested in that responsibility myself.

[Brittanyroseee]

Best comment. Its exactly why im choosing to not have them either.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t want that responsibility and i also don’t want to take care of them either

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Brittanyroseee Yeah my favorite lifestyle would be literally impossible with kids.

[Brittanyroseee]

@TheSpaceGnome honestly same and i just don’t have the patience, or the energy or the desire anyway. I would love to get married and find my soulmate but i don’t care much about kids and the economy is horrible anyway, plus the world got very wierd… its better to just… refrain from bringing more lives to get indoctrinated 😂plus kids are beginning to get so sexualized these days. Im doing the kind thing for my “kids” by not bringing them into a pedophelia indused world now where its constantly perpetuating EVERYWHERE IN EVERYTHING!!!

[Brittanyroseee]

@TheSpaceGnome^

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Brittanyroseee I dunno where you are thats that horrible, but those issues aren't a thing here. The economy is doing a bit better than it was 2 years ago, and I've not seen the pedo issue you mentioned.

Most people are citing the economy and society and whatnot as reasons to not breed, but mine are literally just because I want free time and exotic pets and breakable collectables and other things that kids don't mesh with well or take time away from.

[Brittanyroseee]

@TheSpaceGnome interesting. Im in the USA and the US is a joke because of the government and president we have and we are currently in inflation. The economy is very bad here everywhere especially liberal states and liberals are pushing weird ideologies and propagandas on children in US public schools.

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Brittanyroseee I'm also in the US, its just that most people here don't understand basic economics, so anyone not earning a fair wage for their type of job thinks the economy is fucked instead of their boss just being a greedy shitbag (you're supposed to unionize with your fellow employees and go on strike until you are paid fairly, greed is not new, you are the fix to it). Also stop buying products that are unfairly priced. This is what everyone did in the 1990s or earlier, and it stopped that shit in its tracks everytime.

The economy itself is actually doing very well, commerce is booming, more types of things get made and sold than any time in the US's history, and more people are able to start their own businesses with cheaper upfront costs and in more types of ways than any time in US history. But if you have no business skills, are willing to pay high prices for products, or you won't unionize, then you will be taken advantage of. This is not a government problem, this is a you (and almost everyone else) problem, stand up for yourself.

Inflation and deflation is the natural result of having multiple currencies on the planet because supply and demand exists. The only way to ditch inflation negatives would be a single global currency. But right now the USD is actually the second most valuable currency on earth, second only to the EURO, so we are doing VERY well, and our currency's inflation is not bad at all. You are just victim the media propaganda fear mongering.

As far as schools go, I graduated ages ago, so I dunno what schools are like now other than math being instructed incorrectly and school supplies no longer being provided at the school's expense. But I've not heard about any ideology stuff from any of my friends who are in school or are parents with kids in school. What exactly are they pushing in your town?

[TheSpaceGnome]

If you look online for currency exchange rates, what I told you might be confusing, but most of those exchange rate lists are not accurate (and not the same as eachother), and they dont take international acceptance level of a currency into account.

[TheSpaceGnome]

However, even if you were fooled into thinking they were accurate, most still put us in the top ten either way.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Nobody ever says why do you not want a helicopter pilot's license. Children are the only thing where you have to prove a negative. Why do I not want any? Because I lack any inherent desire to have one. It's just that simple.

[Billlewis]

I've never wanted any, because they charge some folks to have them while paying others to have them.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Billlewis So very true.

[Brittanyroseee]

Yep exactly im a woman and have never felt what you call “baby fever”. I completely ignore toddlers and babies when im around them.

[handsomelad70]

@Brittanyroseee "Baby fever?" New one to me, but I'm a man, so...

[handsomelad70]

@Billlewis It cost nearly a half-million Canadian dollars to raise a child here to age eighteen.

[PBandJ_Nerd]

It's mainly because I'm never suppose to have any kids. This also includes adoption. I'm not mentally & emotionally capable of taking care of kids & raising them. I learned with one child development class in high school that I would never be able to take care of a baby long term, which is good for me since before I was considering it. But I have lots of nieces & nephews to enjoy so I'm fine with it. I just question what it would be like with my future partner, since we wouldn't have kids what we'd do with our time together. Much different from all of my sisters & their husbands.

[Siri137]

Lots of reasons. They cost a lot of money, they're messy, noisy, loud and hard to control. They're a huge responsibility, a huge investment over a very long period of time. They're not guaranteed to turn out right, and one fatal mistake could send them onto the path of becoming a radical nutcase who ends up joining a terrorist group like BLM. There's also the chance they may end up with an incurable and untreatable mental illness like autism, which would be catastrophic. No, it's just not worth it, it's too big a gamble.

[Boomchakalaca]

I watch a lot of crime docs so i think “my kids” are gonna murder me or end up as the next Jeffrey dahmer

[Brittanyroseee]

EXACTLY

[Brittanyroseee]

You said it right! You don’t know how they will turn out. They could be born with disabilities or they could turn into a horrid person! And i don’t care about “its how you raise them” its not sometimes and many of the times those things are genetic

[Brittanyroseee]

They are also expensive af and very time consuming too and yes annoying lol

[Brittanyroseee]

And look at society now.. it definitely will affect future children. It doesn’t really matter anymore if parents even try to teach their children the right and wrong because society and social media is there to influence them and you know what im talking about with the whole weird LGTBQ crap…

[handsomelad70]

How 'bout terrorist groups like the Klan and other white supremacist groups? Or like too many whites, you don't believe black lives matter? (Nice opinion about autistic folk too, pard;guess you're an all-around sweetheart)

[Brittanyroseee]

@handsomelad70 what are you even saying?

[Brittanyroseee]

BLM is liberal based extremist group

[handsomelad70]

@Brittanyroseee BS. How many whites have they killed? Stop being a Trumpster, lady.

[Brittanyroseee]

@handsomelad70 no thanks i don’t listen to liberal propaganda

[Brittanyroseee]

And blacks commit more crimes than whites

[Brittanyroseee]

Biden is a pedophile i hope you know that and the clintons also went to epstein island

[Brittanyroseee]

You know what the owner of BLM did with all that donated money? They bought a mansion with it😂

[Brittanyroseee]

I will never be a liberal

[Brittanyroseee]

Liberals are delusional people

[Brittanyroseee]

The Democratic party also started the KKK please read up on history and not leftist propaganda

[Billlewis]

@Brittanyroseee I think you nailed it once again, ma'am;)

[handsomelad70]

@Brittanyroseee Yes, I know, and the REPIGLIKSCAM have spent the last THREE generations appealing to the former Dixiecrats' racism with first dog whistle, now bullhorn appeals to their bigotry under Trump. I'm a 70-year-old black man who's INFINITELY better-read and more intelligent than you, Brittanyrosee. Please don't try to hand me a line of guano.

[Brittanyroseee]

@handsomelad70 im sorry but im not gonna listen to leftist liberal yapping.

[handsomelad70]

@Brittanyroseee Yapping, my butt. All Trump and his ilk is lie and demagogue.

[Brittanyroseee]

Cool bye

[Brittanyroseee]

Biden is a pedo

[Brittanyroseee]

Democrats rigged the election

[Brittanyroseee]

CYA liberal

[Billlewis]

@Brittanyroseee 🤗

[handsomelad70]

@Boomchakalaca I truly hope not !!!

[monorprise]

@Boomchakalaca This is enlightening, like most of the rest of us your driven by highly dishonest and disproportional media fearmongering.

I find myself wondering if women in general being the more fearful sex are also more drastically effected by said eyeball catching propaganda.

[Dat-Alpha-Lion]

“You don’t know how they’ll turn out.”

I mean… isn’t that what good parenting is for?

[Brittanyroseee]

@Dat-Alpha-Lion no because genetics play a huge role

[Brittanyroseee]

@Dat-Alpha-Lion and what if it comes out severely disabled? Or comes out with multiple mental illnesses?

[Brittanyroseee]

@Dat-Alpha-Lion ion want nothing to do with that shit😂😂😂😂😂

[Dat-Alpha-Lion]

So… are you just gonna abandon them if they DO turn out like that? Is that not considered child neglect? What’s your plan then?

[Siri137]

The plan is to not have children in the first place.

[Billlewis]

I get lazy about trimming my nails and then inevitably jam my finger against something which results in the nail being torn off or otherwise damaged.

[Billlewis]

Sorry, right response, wrong question. I meant for this to go to another question.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Hahaha but a great answer to this one too

[Billlewis]

@BoopBoopBeep Yeah, maybe. It's amazing how much sense you can make when you're not answering the right question... lol;)

[totallytodd1]

Pm me

[Kingofkings1992]

I couldn’t agree more. Perfect reason to say forget kids

[handsomelad70]

Oh, crap. Doesn't sound like fun.

[Brittanyroseee]

Because, not everyone likes them.
Kids are extremely time consuming, stressful and are indeed expensive.
They are a huge lifelong commitment and responsibility.
They are loud, messy, annoying, throw tantrums, etc and i do not have the patience!
I don’t want to clean up after their messes, or change diapers.
I value my sleep and enjoy sleeping in and would not want to wake up through the night for a baby.
Money is important to me, and this economy is horrible as it is!
I don’t want to be pregnant or let alone even give birth.
I would go mad having to be a SAHM. I would feel “trapped” and bored out of my mind doing the same crap every single day.
I don’t want the baggage of kids if my husband left me.
I don’t want to be tied down to someone else, or let alone be tied down to the baby daddy.
I enjoy freedom and being able to do whatever i want, whenever i please without having to work my entire life around my childs schedule.
Kids require parents who can mold them into successful people period.
Too many irresponsible people have kids. Having a kid doesn’t make you “special”
I lack the “motherly instinct” when it comes to them.
I can’t handle noises, or constant messes or having someone glued at my hip.
Hmmm what else can i list?
I don’t want to be a “maid” basically

[SallyTho87]

I value my career, my continuing education, my solo lifestyle, and my other commitments (volunteering, studies, family support, etc) to ever have children. I rather live my life enjoying it with a partner, and travel, live a stable, financially stable, emotionally, mentally and physically healthy relationship, without letting kids into my life.

I do not want children. I'm not interested in raising a family, or having the responsibility for the rest of my life of being a mother. I cannot stand young children, I do not have the patience or the time to supply a child with, as I am busy with my OWN aspirations. I have one life, once chance to do everything I'd like to accomplish and I'm not letting any child have ANY portion of my life. There are too many people in the world already, and society, and the economy isn't getting any better - I see no point to having kids.

[Tonita91996]

100% agree

[Brittanyroseee]

Same. I would love to get married and find my person but i don’t want kids to be involved and they don’t need to be!

[Brittanyroseee]

Same! I lack patience too! I also feel no motherly instinct when it comes to babies and young kids..

[TheSpaceGnome]

The population of humans is actually too low at the moment to properly manage ecological preservation (not enough eyes, brains, and hands in the field), but the rest I agree with.

Let people who enjoy parenting fill out more park rangers, zoologists, wildlife vets, ecologists, geneticists, and biologists to fill the extreme shortage.

[CriticalCatDad]

I do not and will not ever have children because...1. I'm asexual
2. Father's are irrelevant to the family unit because of politics and feminism
3. Children are often used by the mother against the father
4. Women are the ones who get to decide whether or not a man is worthy of being a father and if she deems him unworthy she'll have his child aborted and he can't do anything about it
5. If the father didn't want the child she could choose to still have said child and he would be essentially baby trapped and forced to pay child support or risk going to jail

[Chazmatazz269]

Cuz we’re not allowed to beat them anymore. Kids need ass whoopins like fish need water. Everyone is raising entitled twats now because nobody will discipline their little shits when it’s appropriate. Make no mistake about it, mom & dad, YOUR kids are the reason we’re going to hell in a hand basket. Ell oh ell!

[Awesomesauce2005]

Yes! Why doesn't the world understand this?

[red324]

Lmao, you're right

[monorprise]

@Chazmatazz269
I think this is more true of boys than girls, and mostly a reflection of the bad laws of a few states as well as the fact that a larger and larger share of the parenting population is single mothers. Women who tend not to displine at all.

[Awesomesauce2005]

@monorprise this is so true

[monorprise]

@Awesomesauce2005 @Chazmatazz269

Again this is not a reason to submit to such tyranny, discipline your boys anyway and move to anther state that allows it if necessary.

When the states that don't fall apart with their populations we who can control yourself breakaway or later invade and conquer them. He who cannot control themselfs are easily abused and controlled.

[Juxtapose]

I am a pretty respectful and polite person overall and my parents never once hit me. You can easily manipulate the behavior of children without violence. If you can't figure that out then I question your intelligence.

[Juxtapose]

And if you think that is rude even though I just said I am polite? I have a lot worse things I would like to say that would get me censored. I don't approve of child beaters.

[Awesomesauce2005]

@Juxtapose this is not true. This is blasphemy.

[Juxtapose]

@Awesomesauce2005 I have watched over/babysat children before and even led some martial art classes for the young students.

For example, you can resolve a dispute between two children by flipping a coin and they can't even blame you for the results since the coin flip has no bias.

Little things like that coalesce together to form effective socialization of children. You absolutely do not need to put your hands on children unless they are being physically violent themselves.

[Juxtapose]

And if anyone dared to abuse me when I was a child? I would have reported them to the authorities as my mother taught me. Nobody gets to touch me and gets away with it.

[Awesomesauce2005]

@Juxtapose you are right, nobody gets to touch you except your parents as a child

[Chazmatazz269]

If it’s so easy to raise perfect children without discipline, how do you explain all the entitled twats coming from indulgent homes? Ell oh ell! You are just plain wrong. I also never said anything about abuse. There is a difference between discipline and abuse. If you can’t tell the difference, you should be questioning your own intelligence. I’ve helped to raise dozens of children. Not just babysitting and teaching an hour long class. From diapers to college, dozens of kids. The ones who didn’t get spanked were horrible human beings by any reasonable standard. The ones who did stood up straight and acted like responsible people.

[Juxtapose]

I am living evidence that you do not need to physically abuse children to discipline them. My parents never hit me.

[Juxtapose]

They never hit my little sister either and she is very well behaved.

[red324]

@Juxtapose same here

[Awesomesauce2005]

@Juxtapose judging by your profile picture it looks like you need to be whacked upside the head with a cricket bat.

[Juxtapose]

@Awesomesauce2005 the only thing you're whacking is your meat.

[Awesomesauce2005]

@Juxtapose i dont whack my meat i beat it , lmao 🤣

[DrPepper12]

I have three. They SEVERELY circumscribe what we can do. Plus with the world being the way it is why would anybody bring people into this shit hole? In every survey the most consistently happy people are gay couples because they have no children and all this disposable income as a generalization

[OddBeMe]

Personally I have no interest. And I think that’s the reason for all the bad parenting and antisocial teens. Lack of engaged parents.

Also I think pollution is a problem and having kids is worse than letting your cars idle all your life whilst burning a pile of tires in the back.

[Tonita91996]

Because a lot of people both men and women are not mature enough to handle having children how I know is because they can’t even pick the right partner. I prefer to never have kids if I’m not married than have kids by some man who doesn’t want to be with me.

[Dinklex3]

1. I don’t want to experience pregnancy or giving birth.

2. I don’t even like kids.

[monorprise]

@Dinklex3
1: My wife was the same way then she got pregnant and loved the experience because of how it connected her to her baby. While its true giving birth is difficult ultimately it is one of the most cherished parts of your life.

2: You will love your kids we got 315+ million years of experience to that effect. For the same reason you will never be as compete in life without them in a way you hopefully never understand until you have them.

[Dinklex3]

@monorprise
1. Good for your wife. Not everyone’s pregnancy is the same. Yes, it can be.
2. I’m aware I’d love my kid if I had one. But you don’t get to decide if another feels complete or not based on YOUR ideals. We are two different people. Of course those with children would say that, I’d say the same if I had them. People who have never had them can feel “complete” as well.

[Kingofkings1992]

@Dinklex3 he’s going around saying everyone’s reasons are nonsense. You don’t get to tell others their reason for doing/not doing something is nonsense. People can live their life anyway they choose to. The world is already intensely overpopulated. The last thing this place needs is everyone having kids. Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should

[Brittanyroseee]

Same😂i dont want to experience pregnancy and i don’t like babies much either

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise id kms😂

[monorprise]

@Kingofkings1992 If you didn't want to hear other people's opinion on your opinion you wouldn't give it a form to be replied to. You would in fact click the "no replies" option.

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee You would fall in love and not be able to see life without them.

You were programed to do this, as every ancestor before you did. Until you do you will never have the full experience of life. Missing out on one of if not the most important and impactful parts of it.

[monorprise]

@dinklex3d So you think there is some conspiracy among most all parents to simply say they love their kids and can't imagine ever being as compete without them?

That is fairly nutty idea. Sure there are a few rare exceptions but generally biology and nature made you this way.

[Dinklex3]

@monorprise I never claimed that. What a sad attempt to put words in my mouth. The post was a week ago, move on.

[monorprise]

@Dinklex3
I apoligize that is what i thought you were saying when you said this "Of course those with children would say that, I’d say the same if I had them."

[Kingofkings1992]

@monorprise you are the nut job. You don’t get to tell other people how to live their life.

[monorprise]

@Kingofkings1992 ... ok I am not trying to tell anyone how to live their life. Im trying to have a conversation reading what others think, thinking about it, and giving what I think in response weighting the pros and cons.

This is why we are on this forum.

[Kingofkings1992]

@monorprise every single comment that expressed an interest in not having kids you said their reasons are nonsense. That is telling people how to live their life. Own up to your actions

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise there is so much more to life than just breeding and reproducing. Having a child isn't some big accomplishment. Anyone can have kids and many HORRIBLE IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE HAVE THEM. Narcissistic people have kids, so do pedos, and serial killers. So what? Who cares and humans are intelligent beings that have different priorities, interests, likes, and dislikes in life. Not everyone has the urge to reproduce. Not everyone even likes kids or feels a parental instinct. Look at all the deadbeat mothers and fathers lol

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise i don’t need to have a child to experience life. Life is what YOU make of it. I want a simple marriage with someone who is genuine and caring, with a stable career and financial stability. That is important to me.

[monorprise]

@Kingofkings1992 While the technique may be imperfect that is my opinion and it is intended to get critisism so that i might learn why it is wrong or disagreeable.

[itsclearlynicholas]

Expense. Hassle. The wife could always divorce me or cheat on me. External variables. (Other people, dangerous people, stupid offspring who may get themselves into trouble others), injuries, life's unpredictable cons, etc

[normalice]

It seems like fascism is inevitable and I would be sad if I had kids who were just starting to show an interest in the world as the Christian nationalists set everything back to the dark ages.

[TheUniqueOne96]

I don't want the responsibility of raising them and if they're anything like me, they'd prefer to have never been born in the first place.

[Bricealan]

I have been careful, about what I wish for. Had I been a father in my 20's with a dedicated and responsible woman in support, we could have been successful parents with great children.

[MsProsperity]

I don’t want to stuck with someone the rest of my life and I don’t want my body to change

[Brittanyroseee]

SAME I DONT WANT TO BE TIED DOWN EITHER AND KIDS TIE YOU DOWN AND THEY ALSO TIE YOU TO THE DAD

[Brittanyroseee]

Like fuck that bro!!!

[Brittanyroseee]

Especially if the dad leaves you!!! I wouldn’t want the baggage of babies

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee I think perhaps you should look up the definition of the word slut.

[monorprise]

Your body was made to change, unfortunately If you don't have babies at some point you may have other problems.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise i don’t want babies. I don’t want to be pregnant or to give birth. I don’t want to take care of someone else and dedicate my entire life to them:)

[Brittanyroseee]

My guy i would rather slam a cabinet door on my hand so hard that my knuckles break😂instead of ever having to have a child😂

[Brittanyroseee]

I would rather be in a SAW game life vs death than ever having to have a child with someone 😂

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee I asked you to look up the definition of a word not tell me what you think you want.

It is anther thread where I question whether or not anyone really knows what they want particularly on a subject in which soo many of us find we are wrong. After all what we think we want is very much what is sold to us.

It is unfortunate that the people doing most of the selling tend to do so to employ our time for their benefit rather than our own. In selling us their products and use of our time while in short term thinking discouraging wasting any of it on the continuation of our line.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise sir, why are you asking me to google up the definition of a random word? And again if you think having kids is fulfilling go for it but me personally i have no interest in babies and kids.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise i think i know what i want sir and you can’t speak for me. I please ask you to respect my opinion and to refrain from telling me that the only way to life is to have children. Please stop.

[MsProsperity]

Besides having babies is a choice, doesn’t mean when you’re a woman you’re obligated to have babies. I don’t want to have babies also, that doesn’t make me a slut or less a woman

[Brittanyroseee]

Exactly he's wild lol

[Brittanyroseee]

Men like him are insane

[Lionman95]

Because I'm not good with young children. I just can't develop a connection to them.

[monorprise]

@Lionman95 few men are, that is why typical women are in charge when they are little. When they get older you will find a connection and love exist regardless of how you might feel otherwise.

[Lionman95]

That´s probably true I just grew up in an environment where other guys were good with children from early on. To me it goes deeper since I don´t feel a need to have children. I´ve never been at a point I can remember where I was like I want to have children.

[monorprise]

@Lionman95
We don't want a lot of things until we experience it, for most of the modern world you are spoiled by advertising with a taste of everything and find later that you want more.

With children the advertising is generally falsely negative for cultural, political and economic reasons. So a lot of people fail to realize how special and important they are until they have them and learn the truth how much they really want them.

[CrabCakes11]

I want to live my life for myself, not somebody else

[monorprise]

That may sound appealing for a while @crabcakes11 , but one day you will realize your not actually living your life without children. Your "just existing" without a real propose and missing something very real and critical.
Something amazing that you are programed to have and experience as part of the journey of life, as every last ancestor of yours before you did. Sadly of the women who go your direction most figure that out by their 50s when its too late to do anything about it.

Indeed my wife was raised with this same anti-children cultural idea. It didn't take very long before she completely fell in love with her first child and couldn't imagine life with out.

[CrabCakes11]

@monorprise lol ok. If you feel like you’re worthless without kids, that’s your own business. I personally have healthy self esteem

[monorprise]

@crabcakes11
You're 19 years old it seems. If true you have yet to come close to seeing or experiencing enough of life to recognize what it is. Thus far at this point your life has been broadly about the goal of growing up getting ready for the real world.

This is not to say I know you, your thoughts, your dreams but this is what everyone's life is up until around their mid 20s figuring out themselfs and most of all the world.

The point is you have yet to learn or experience enough of the world to yet understand what it means to simply exist. Nor have you seen and felt enough of life to know what is missing. Something that can take a very long time for a lot of people.

As in the last post far too many such women who make such a choice don't figure out how important this part of life is until their 50's when its too late.

in this respect I don't think you can fully comprehend what i mean when I say "just existing" but you will some day I hope.
Until then I will say that there comes a point when you have seen enough of the world to realize you are just existing here if you are not doing to get the most of it.

[Brittanyroseee]

he's weird bro

[Brittanyroseee]

Dude not everyone wants kids

[Brittanyroseee]

Please accept that

[Brittanyroseee]

Not everyone desires or even likes kids

[CrabCakes11]

@monorprise yeah sure thing bud. Go ahead and spend time with your kids instead of trying to get me pregnant

[Brittanyroseee]

@CrabCakes11 he is doing the same to me too

[CrabCakes11]

@Brittanyroseee yeah he’s kinda odd

[monorprise]

@crabcakes11 You are far too young for me even if I wasn't married. I am trying to get you to think and tell me why you at 19 are already so wise to know enough to ignore hundreds of millions of years counter examples?

Instead you keep telling me what you think and not why.

[CrabCakes11]

@monorprise why do you care if I want kids or not? How about you get your own life

[monorprise]

@crabcakes11

Why are you persisting with the idea that This is more than a intellectual conversation about your motivations for the propose of learning? The goal of said learning should for both of us to be better informed not so much for each-other's sake but our own.

That said it is in everyone's including my own interest in knowing how to deal with people of your suicidal and self-centered ideologies as to prevent it from taking down my own family in the future either directly or by way of the civilization upon which we depend.

So while I certainly agree that your life is important, so is everyone else's.

[CrabCakes11]

@monorprise cool, we get it, you’re deranged. Want to go bother somebody else, or should I block you?

[Brittanyroseee]

@CrabCakes11 lmfao he keeps pressuring me about it too and saying my choice isn’t a personal choice and it affects everyone around me😂

[Brittanyroseee]

@CrabCakes11 he is extremely insane

[Brittanyroseee]

@CrabCakes11 i think he prefere unwanted children to be born into unfortunate circumstances with bad parents 😂😂😂😂😂😂or irresponsible parents

[CrabCakes11]

@Brittanyroseee this guy is a freak lmfao. Pay him no mind

[Brittanyroseee]

@CrabCakes11 he really is😂

[SotiCoto]

Don't need a reason. Why would you think anyone would need a reason for not wanting kids. Why would anyone want kids?

[Unit1]

They are expensive and a gigantic burden. I'm not made for this and i'll keep myself from things i wasn't made for.

[Brittanyroseee]

Same. Exactly

[Brittanyroseee]

Way too expensive and time consuming

[MemeSupreme]

bc i don't wanna fuck them up

people shouldn't have kids unless they are ready

[monorprise]

Are you not ready? Seriously every animal in the world with zero intelligence is ready if they and all of our starving and illiterate ancestors didn't "fuck up" their own children its hard to imagine you @MemeSupreme who can read and write would.

[MemeSupreme]

but humans and animals are the same

and not every parent deserves to be one. a lot of shitty ones out there and i don't wanna be one of them

[MemeSupreme]

aren't the same*

[monorprise]

@MemeSupreme
While every species and human indiviual is in some way different as a result of a wide range of factors from biology to experience.

Is that not kind of the point? Your making judgements for other people who by nature would be different from you here. What makes you think a person doesn't deserve to be a parent, or that a child's life is soo bad that they would prefer not to exist?

You made these judgement with what are really subjective ideas about the requirements of certant qualities of life presumably given to you by you cultural leaders given how many others of the same culture have made similar subjective judgements.

Regardless of where you got the idea we know theses judgements are subjective by the very fact that others, in fact most all life including your ancestors didn't make such judgements or you wouldn't exist to think much less judge for yourself.

We also know given the failure of the large number of people who based upon the same such subjective judgements (which we call culture) fail to carry forward that the judgements themselfs (culture) are self-destructive.

The underlining presumption that there are enough "non-fucked up" people to carry on among said culture is being proven false. Assuming you didn't already know that from simply looking at history to realize almost everyone upon which we all depend was similarly "fucked up".

[MemeSupreme]

im not reading all of that lmfao

that's an essay you wrote

[LiamJHayden]

I'm sterile. I also do not want to get married because the laws are biased against the one who has assets / earning power, even if the other person breaks the contract.

[handsomelad70]

I'm SEVENTY. Why would I want kids at my age? I just want to bop some hot younger babe like 95% of us older lads.

[Twalli]

I can choose whether or not to pass on my genetic issues. I know how it I'd to live with thrm. I'd rather not subject someone I love to the same problems.

[In_Trance]

Have you looked at this shitshow of a planet we live on?
Why would you want to add someone else to the mix?

[Brittanyroseee]

Exactly!!!

[Brittanyroseee]

And society and social media heavily affects kids

[NetherlandsNar]

Way too much effort I still like kids though

[monorprise]

@netherlandsnar nothing worth having is without effort. As with anything the more you put into it the more valuable it is. Nothing on this earth will ever come close to being as valuable to you as your children.

If your lucky you will know this from experience.

[Brittanyroseee]

We don’t want that though

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee While i don't pretend to know what you want. With respect to how regally people are wrong on this subject, I don't think you should pretend that you know either.

Your actually arguing against hundreds of millions of years of biological programing with said claim. That is extremely arrogant!

But go ahead dig in your heels miss-out one of if not the most consequential part of life.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise sir, this isn’t the 1500s anymore. This is 2024…. Things changed… times have changed… people have different interests, wants, likes, and dislikes in life.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t want to take care of babies. Or be pregnant or give birth. Or. Take care of a child😂

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee In the 1500s western cultures people had as many interest, wants, likes, and dislikes in life. The only difference was they still had an interest in providing for the future which is the only reason why we even exist in 2024 to talk about it.

If 2024 is to be defined as a set of "values" We all must share then it will be among the last values anyone shares and that alone makes it foolish.

[Brittanyroseee]

Back then, things were different my guy

[Brittanyroseee]

Abortion and birth control was not accessible and women were limited to what they could do so of course they would slave away with kids and as a housewife to a husband that would beat her

[Brittanyroseee]

Times have changed sir

[Brittanyroseee]

Kids are a choice sir. Accept that!

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee You seem to be implying I would assert your choices are not a choice.

Eating is a choice, so is breathing refuse to do either of them however your legacy will end immediately instead just with your death as your choice to refuse to have children insures.

The question before us however is whether or not its a good choice, and specifically why YOU are making such a choice.

I have made clear with respect to the until now unbroken chain of life that represent your family and the important interest of the next generation to exist, not having children must be regarded as about as bad a choice as killing yourself. For in the grand scheme of things your brief walk upon this earth does not add up to much without the legacy that would otherwise follow.

Why do people like you make such a choice?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise why does my, or anyone else’s choice to not have kids, affects you so much that you need to keep pressuring us and writing essays? Its fucking weird dude.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise why do people like you make children seem like such a great accomplishment? They are not. Anyone can have children. Kids have kids.. plenty of irresponsible people are having children. Pedophiles have kids too. So do serial killers. Many children are brought up in households where they are either abused, neglected, or grown up in poverty. Why would you recommend people who don’t want kids to still have them? Do you want kids to be abused? Do you support kids being neglected by parents who didn’t fully think about having them first? Are you crazy?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monoprise i don’t want kids because its not my interest. How many times do i need to explain that? I have no interest. I don’t care about my legacy. There are 8 billion fucking human beings on this damn planet!!! What is this? Game of thrones? I literally don’t care bro. I don’t want the responsibility of another whole ass human being. Do you not understand what it takes to raise a child? They require parents who are 1000% willing to dedicate their lives and themselves to that child meanwhile teaching them all about life, and molding them into a good person. I don’t want to do that. Simple. Kids are also very expensive and this economy doesn’t make it easier.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise if you think having children is fulfilling go for it but stop telling me and other people that this is the only way to life. You are stuck in middle ages. Seriously man. What if i were to say i don’t like kids? What would you say? Some people literally have no patience and do not want to be around them. Im just saying

[Brittanyroseee]

Being pregnant grosses me out and absolutely terrifies me, and giving birth is the worst pain a woman can go through. No thanks!

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise to me children are a baggage.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t want to be tied down or constrained to someone else😫

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee I find your answer vague and hard to understand and want to know how it changes based upon different data consistent with the question of this thread.

If I didn't want answers to this question i would not be trying to discuss the issue with you. if you didn't want to give answers you would not be answering.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise I apologize that my answers are “vague” to you however why are you pressing this issue? Why does it bother you that someone doesn’t want to reproduce?

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee As mentioned elsewhere i am bothered by the possibility that i may one day have to confront this major cultural/economic problem in my own children or that they too will have to deal with its dire cultural, economic, and political consequences if we don't try to deal with it now.

Knowing its true cause and how to address it could be critical to the survival of my family.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise tbh idgaf have a nice day bye

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise IDGAF about your family and my choice to not reproduce doesn’t affect your family

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee Not only does your choice end your own family. Abandoning all investment made in having and raising you.
It does indeed effect everyone else around you in that a subsequent generation will not only have fewer culturally similar people to work and bond with but our collective goverment ponzi schemes like Social Security will place a greater burden on current children to support a larger prepositional older generation.

To a lesser degree even the reduced availability of future labor when we retire will make our retirement savings regardless of origin buy less.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise there are 8 billion people on this planet……

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise why do you want me to have a child I don’t want?

[Brittanyroseee]

Why do you want unwanted kids to be abused and neglected?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise do you support child abandonment?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise not everyone should have children sir. They are a privilege, not a right.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise do you not understand that many horrible and irresponsible people have kids? Do you not understand that many kids are born into abusive families? Do you want kids to be abused or neglected because their parents didn’t truly want them nor think about having them first? You just want all of us to reproduce just because you want us to? You are nutty sir. Seriously. You are encouraging child abuse lol

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise my siblings don’t want kids either. Why do you give a shit so much?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise I literally don’t care about ending my legacy dude😂😂😂😂😂😂

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee I support child abandonment over non-existence. Its hard to argue in favor of being dead over being alone or with someone else.

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee Once again your impositions of standard for child rearing is inconsistent with the history and nature of our and every species. An arrogance we can no longer afford.

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee Again the fact that your siblings have gone down the same path suggest something your parents and local culture did very wrong in raising you as to catastrophically end their line.

I am trying to figure out what that was as to avoid it.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise again, why does this affect you so much?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise why do you care?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise because i don’t like kids? Is that enough or a good reason for you? My brother hates kids too. So does his wife lol

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise because i have no interest. Because i don’t like them. Because i have no interest 😂because i simply have no desire. Because i simply don’t want to take care of them. Because i simply don’t want to be pregnant. Because i simply don’t want to give birth. Because i simply don’t like babies. Because i simply find young kids a bit annoying. Because kids are expensive. Because they are very time consuming. Should i go on?

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise not everyone likes kids😂

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise there are 8 billion people on this planet.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise children are a choice not a must!

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise not everyone likes babies!

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise not everyone likes kids!!!

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise so you prefer children to be born in bad circumstances just so they exist? You need help!!! YOU SUPPORT CHILD ABUSE

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise child abuser!

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise you literally admitted that you don’t care if a child is born into a circumstance where they are abused, you just want kids to be born. Im blocking you now. Clearly you need mental help from a doctor

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise one more thing, i don’t care about my legacy. This isn’t the game of thrones. This is 2024, times have changed and people have realized there is more to life than just breeding like mindless animals.

[Dat-Alpha-Lion]

@monorprise You need to eat and breathe to survive. You don’t need children for that.

[Brittanyroseee]

@Dat-Alpha-Lion he doesn’t understand

[Brittanyroseee]

He wants kids to be born even if they will be abused or neglected. He only cares about passing on “legacy” and “breeding”. He doesn’t care if the child will be born to drug addicted parents, or a narcissistic parent, or parents that will abuse them, or they if they grow up in poverty. He doesn’t care about any of that. The child could be sexually abused by the dad and mom and he still would say “oh well! at least he/she was born!”

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee The number of forign people on this planet is not consequential. Nearly all of them are alien cultures, most are living in repressive and poor cultures.
This is the future of humanity unless we can figure out how to avoid more of our people making choices like you and your siblings have.

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee Yes of course I prefer child to be alive even if in less than ideal circumstance than dead.
Serous look at every other life form on this planet and the condition in which they MUST survive. You're standards really are the product of a spoiled civilization, what you call "child abuse" is what our ancestors like them often never had.

Really it comes down to a simple fact that their civilization and it's more realistic "standards" is surviving while ours is dying and will soon be replaced by them on this Earth.

If you even pretended to care about theses nice thing you would probably want to know why.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise sir, there are many unwanted children in this world. Why bring more? Just why? You are odd. Please go away

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise i don’t want babies sir. Please go away😂

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise im gonna block you now

[monorprise]

@Dat-Alpha-Lion A indiviual needs those things to survive a family and civilization needs children. The latter is more important than the former because the former is ultimately doomed regardless.

This question of our civilization and family's survival is ultimately the reason why people ask the question of this thread.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise please go away!

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise as an individual, i don’t want children.

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee ... If you don't want to talk about why people don't want to have kids don't talk about it, don't respond.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise you commented to me first. And i was commenting on a public post

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise the thing is, you can’t have a discussion about it. You kept pressuring me, and other people to have them and telling us that our reasons for not wanting them is invalid and you also admitted that you don’t care what circumstances or situations the child is born into as long as they are born. That is very odd thinking and I can’t converse with people like that. Good day

[monorprise]

@Brittanyroseee Sounds like you just want the last word which is why you can't bring your self to stop responding.

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise sounds like you want a response so badly since you keep responding and can’t respect my opinions 😂😂😂😂😂

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise stfu

[Brittanyroseee]

@monorprise maybe you should stop responding to me😂

[captain_voidwalker]

At the moment in america we are staring down a 2nd great depression a 2nd Civil War and possibly world War 3. Not a world I want to bring a child imto

[grega239]

Im almost 32.

Its a bit late for me to have kids because i want to have a life outside of work while im still physically able to do so.

[Kingofkings1992]

Because I don’t want them to suffer in a world that I don’t think is good

[war_daddy]

it doesn't benefit you to have kids, it only benefits society

[monorprise]

@war_daddy
Utter nonsense, your children are YOUR legacy and future individually. Society they choose to join only benefit the same as the one you choose to join.

[Anonymous]

The expense for a start and then perpetuating my corrupted genes no thank you

[Staximus]

I worry too much

[IWILLPLEASEYOU]

Some people just are wanting kids, I have 2 .