Sorry Girls, the PERFECT female body is genetically MALE!

[esotericstory]

Long legs, tall necks, strong shoulders, visible rib cage, strong bone structure. The perfect woman according to the modeling industry. Every day of their lives women are bombarded with imagery of women as pictured above.

This is marketed as the superior female body.

Unfortunately for women this type of body is nearly unattainable, unless you are genetically male.

AIS for short is a condition where a genetically male suffers from a defect that makes him nearly unaffected to the effects of testosterone. Some are only partially AIS, in that case its called PAIS. If its complete, its called CAIS.

The person will grow a female body, go through life as a female, grow breasts, have a feminine voice but a with a defined male skeleton.

AIS people will grow vaginas despite having XY chromosomes, do not grow a womb nor ovaries as they do not have XX chromosomes. Their testicles however remain inside their belly, where normally ovaries would have formed. Most AIS people choose to have their testicles removed as there can be complications if they remain in the body.

AIS people are much better at modeling than normal women as they do not suffer from period pains. Despite not being buff, their strong natural musculature helps them with modeling at super model level.

According to a 1998 New York Times article, girls with AIS “often grow into unusually beautiful women, with long legs, clear skin, ample breasts and thick hair; a number of famous models and actresses are thought to have androgen insensitivity syndrome. Yet women with AIS do not menstruate, and aren’t fertile.”

They naturally have the body that is deemed as the pinnacle of female beauty according to the modelling industry.

AIS affects up to 1 in 2000 born babies.

About 59% of AIS persons are assigned the male sex.

Most AIS people enter either the modelling industry or compete in female athleticism.

Millions of women every single day idolize a body type that is not supposed to be attainable for them. They work towards a body type that is infertile. Many female super models do not get their period because the job is so demanding and they are half starved.

https://nationalpost.com/news/0125-na-intersex

The modeling industry is a rotten industry that is against normal human development! Women who idolize these beauty standards pursue unhealthy goals at the cost of their own fertility. Men who idolize these beauty standards are conditioned by marketing to prefer the male skeleton on women. This has to stop now.

[elissa23Trans]

I have been diagnosed with mild androgen Insensivity syndrome 3 years ago. There are 3 forms of androgen Insensivity : complete androgen insensivity , partial androgen insensivity and mild androgen insensivity. I had the mild form. I grew gynecomastia during puberty and my legs were long and my neck is long too. I am also exceptionally lean. I got diagnosed when my doctor wondered why my voice never dropped. I have always retained a feminine voice. I just looked feminine as a boy though, not female. Then I transitioned and hormones had great effects on me.
So there are different forms.

Caroline Tula Cossey had klinefelter XXXY variant. She was also a highly praised model in her time.

[esotericstory]

I feel like transgender treatment exists for people with AIS and similar conditions, but crossdressers have since been taking hormones to transition even though they had no medical reason to do so.

[elissa23Trans]

I was given the choice of either removing the breast tissue and starting testosterone therapy or going on estrogen. I went on estrogen.

[Izumiblu]

You completely missed it with your assumption that models are marketed as the “superior female body”. You should do research behind the psychology of selecting models like this. It’s because they don’t match the perceived ideal body or facial structure of most women. There is a direct correlation between model body type and product sales the closer they get to the ideal feminine standard the lower sales go because women psychologically feel inadequate in comparison to the model. Therefore they select models that have androgynous to masculine features and characteristics deliberately avoiding the feminine ideal. Nice try though.

[esotericstory]

Do you have any reading material on that? Thanks.

[Boppy]

I'm also interested in the studies. I looked and failed to find them.

[Izumiblu]

I don’t have them anymore and it’ll take some work to locate them cuz this isn’t a major area of research. @redeyemindtricks. If she’s still around can give some insight.

This applies to fashion models and lingerie models that target female customers.

There is another set of models that are used like props for products targeted at men. You’ll notice they look markedly different on average than the models that target women’s products.

If you have access to some journals databases

[Wowgirl30q]

You're right

[esotericstory]

I make art so this interests me.

[camrynh]

"A number of famous models and actresses are thought to have androgen insensitivity" the key word is "thought". Literally there's no evidence or numbers showing how many models are effected by this. You make it sounds like most models are like this, when in reality they aren't. They're just "normal" women. Even if they werent "normal" in a medical sense, do you think they shouldn't be allowed to model as the gender they identify as? If you dont like them, dont idealize it. You are literally blaming models for being born different which is pure shit. The only issue I agree with is how thin they make their models become, because it's promoting unsave dieting and could put the models in danger.

[esotericstory]

Most models aren't like this. I never said that, all super models however (like Victoria's Secret top level models) do have this body type that comes naturally to AIS people. It is not a desirable body for normal girls as it has really negative effects on their fertility and period.

[camrynh]

"Most AIS people enter either the modelling industry" and under that you say "Millions of women every single day idolize a body type that is not supposed to be attainable for them." To me you clearly sound like you're trying to make intersex people sound like the big issue with the modeling industry. Also, saying that some people have the body type which comes naturally comes to AIS people, proves your point wrong that "normal" women can't look like that too.

[esotericstory]

Its extremely difficult for them. Most super models dont get their period and they are starving themselves to maintain the bodies they have. Thats not healthy. Many use cocaine to keep working the long hours. AIS people are very sought after in the modeling industry because of their bone structure and the fact that they can't have periods, thus never get pregnant.

[June871]

dumbass. VS models are not starving themselves and many have had pregnancies and healthy babies. know your shit before rambling off and saying stupid shit.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

Great Article! I appreciate this a lot. I have always found VS models, High fashion models, and even many swimsuit models, overrated, masculine, and not idea. I think they are an unhealthy idea. I prefer the Greek idea

[esotericstory]

Me too. I love the Greek ideal.

[BrookieCookie0422]

Love this

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

@BrookieCookie0422 😊 I would love if a Hellenistic revival goes mainstream

[BrookieCookie0422]

Yas!

[es20490446e]

Yeah!

[emmily2396]

Who said tgat was perfect anyway? I always thought those models look like prebubescent children... and I always thought guys that were turned on by that have a problem. It is like I would think a guy that is short, hairless and with a baby face is hot.

No shade towards girls who are already skinny and tall, but really, don't act like you are better than other people because models have tgis body type. Same about guys, don't put down anyone because she doesn't look like slenderman.

[esotericstory]

The modeling industry. Girls too skinny because models too skinny. Women need healthy rolemodels, fitness and fertility = health. Health is good. Love health and healthy people.

[Greenfield25]

Bruh Ikr this kinda annoys me but I mean health is defined by habits not looks so for all I know they could be healthy and genetically that way. I was born fat.

To look like Candice Swanepoel who is 5'10 and measurements 34-23-34 I would have to have the measurements 29.5-19-29.5 at a height of 4'11.8 which when I was 66 lbs/30kg I had measurements of 28-18.5-29.

Also I was severely malnourished and had so little energy I could barely walk up stairs.

I am now like 115 lbs, restored to full health, and can sprint up many flights of stairs. But I am fat according to society, no society determines health by looks not habits.

[esotericstory]

Your looks are largely determined by the environment. If you dont get fed properly during early childhood, your mom didn't eat properly during pregnancy, or you suffered from cold temperatures and lots of chronic stress during early childhood into adolescence your genes dont have the nutrients to grow a proper body. Your looks are thus a reflection of your health, even from before you got an impact on it.

[yucychan]

So, what is your idea of the perfect female body?
Your title and the conclusion of your post is very contradicting. In your title, you say the perfect female body is actually a genetic male. But then in your post, you go on to say that these genetically male body types which are the standards in the modelling industry were very unhealthy and that both men and women should stop idolizing these body standards. So which is which? I'm a bit confused.
Anyway, I always think women who have the right curves are more sexier than a stick-thin woman.

[esotericstory]

Just because its the title, doesn't mean that its my own point of view. I just wanted to explain that the modeling industry practices are not healthy beauty standards for girls.

[lucasnabizada]

Same as I usually say... If looking more like the sex you claim to be gives more credence to your delusion than good for you. You're still not a woman if you're a man, you're not a man if you're a woman. Just like i won't be a fucking kangaroo if i wake up in a kangoroo body tomorrow, i will still be a human being. Biology exists, science exists and as it turns out every cell in that man's body will have an XY chromosome just like mine, except for some of his sperm cells, You can pretend whatever you like but don't associate me with those people, and don't ask me to pretend that men or women and women are men ok.
by the way that body is super ugly wether male or female...

[mistixs]

Yeah. According to the research I've done, the average favorite female body type among men is not anywhere close to the supermodel body type. Which isn't exactly good for me because I have a body even thinner than the average supermodel, but whatever.

[esotericstory]

Dont give up hope.

[0112358]

The point of models is not to look good or be role models for women.

The point of models is to sell clothes, by making the clothes, not the model, look good.

The fact that women assume models are ideal looking is a mistake in their minds, but the modelling industry isn't going to shift because the point of the industry is to sell things.

[esotericstory]

But they are being regarded as role models by women, I call for a full stop of this. Its not hard to get healthy and fertile mothers who aspire to be a great mom one day. Death to capitalism, death to the baby boomers.

[0112358]

A full stop to women using models as role models for ideal looks would be wise.

Models themselves are well aware of this - their job is to be a mobile clothes hanger. Their face should be 'interesting' and generally of a sort that looks good when lit from above, since that's how catwalks work. They shouldn't be curvy, because the designers want to be able to control the silhouette of the clothes themselves. They all have to be the same size, because they only make samples for runway in the one size. They should be tall because that makes them appear visually slimmer in photos.

To be honest, a better example (from capitalism :P) of what men find attractive is likely in porn. And contrary to the idea that porn is all big breasted blondes, there's a huge variety of women in porn … (because men find a huge range of women attractive, which is a good message). But there has been some analysis, and the average woman in porn is a petite brunette, slim compared to the average woman but not model skinny, with 34b breasts. There you go ladies: that's what is most commonly liked by men.

[esotericstory]

No thats disgusting. We can simply use the principles of classical antiquity and fertility, not capitalist bullshit.

[0112358]

Not sure it's that different. Works for me.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Liked the new info... also would like to point out that it seems to be mostly homosexuals running those 'fashion' shows, and the only dudes that seem to find above and beyond interest in those chicks are young... my suspicion is that they're young so they want a female shape that is also adolescent like themselves.

My theory kinda lines up with the infertile part of the info you gave here.

[GraveDoll]

ehhh i have no clue what i just read.

if it just the same. I rather keep two sexes in view

female or male.

it getting too werid when people try to explain this and that. That sounds like health issues shit that should be discuss with thier doctor not the damn world.

[xyz94]

I actually don't think that the body you're describing here is "perfect" to everyone - it certainly never was throughout history, and nowadays there are different tastes. Some people consider a Beyonce type body 'perfect', others consider a Kate Upton type perfect.

[esotericstory]

Fertility makes the perfectest bodies. Breastmilk and care for the baby are also sexy in a woman.

[xyz94]

There's also huge variation in body shape across the globe - in China and Japan, for example, most women are very petite and slim, with small breasts and butt.

[esotericstory]

Well it depends also on the natural habitat.

[supercutebutt]

esotericstory craves cock and there is no shame in that. I support your right to crave whatever it is you crave with no restrictions!

[GTRLINGO]

I like curves. Being poked in the organs by boney parts during a hug, just doesn't appeal. I'm not into BBW, but thick is great. I find athletic and bodybuilder women models more attractive than a stick figure.

[TheeSuccubus]

You sound jealous. The model in the picture had a visible hourglass figure with a small waist, wide hips, etc. You never demonstrated any evidence that even a small portion of models are affected by this.
Here's a group of women affected by AIS, Do any of them even resemble the models you're talking about?

[esotericstory]

Cherry picking and ad hominems are not an argument. The picture is just an illustration of a very unhealthy physique.

[JackSmy]

So who have you DECIDED, thinks this? I certainly don't! I think your post is full of crap, and these fashion images are social stigma, and unrealistic, but not 'MALE'!

[esotericstory]

You are just in denial about marketing and the fashion industry. It can't be healthy that many super models dont get their period because they are half starved.

[JackSmy]

You are confused as to my answer!! I think the whole fashion industry is run by a bunch of manipulating bastards, that prey on women, and force them to believe that they have to be unnatually slim, to attain 'fame'.
I think your premise of the 'Perfect' female body is male, it total bullshit!!

[esotericstory]

I agree. I think your premise of the 'Perfect' female body is male, it total bullshit!! thats the point.

[JackSmy]

I NEVER said that my idea of the perfect female body, is 'male' so why do you keep insisting on that, when I openly disagree!!
You have not even asked what I like, and what my ideal is, but rather just assume!!

[BrookieCookie0422]

Perfect body is a personal preference. And please tell why the “perfect female body” should be chosen as someone who has had plastic surgery and other operations to make him look that way?

Fuck you.

[Anonymous]

I’ve already learned about AIS. But actually most women are working towards a Kylie Jenner body.. And many say that models were first chosen for their signature look so that they don’t get in the way of showing off the clothes.

[Opinion Owner]

Oh, and because it was easier to dress them faster in the runway if they all had thin bodies.

[esotericstory]

I would say thats a more healthy alternative.

[Lliam]

I don't think fashion models are attractive at all. I wouldn't fuck that blond in the photo if they paid me. I would go with the body shape typified by Playboy models. I like 'em soft and curvy.

[tonicandgin]

https://images.app.goo.gl/DwDjzB4vkvgLdjg87

So... like Svetlana Zhakarova?

[Anonymous]

You are an SJW girl, hiding behind as a guy. Tell me how this looks like a guy. She is a vs model. You are probably a chubby chaser who likes obese landwhales.

[Britantic]

Actually the perfect male body is female as all men were girls in the womb.

[ADFSDF1996]

That’s nonsense
www.sciencenews.org/.../embryos-kill-male-tissue-become-female

[Britantic]

@ADFSDF1996 www.whattoexpect.com/.../

[ADFSDF1996]

Except that comes after.

[ADFSDF1996]

The embryo eliminates the male tissue before all that happens, that’s why there’s a “gender neutral” stage in fetal development. After that, if the sperm cell that fertilized the egg has a Y chromosome, the fetus will develop male characteristics again.

So everyone technically starts off as male.

[mistixs]

@ADFSDF1996 your source was about mice. Mice are significantly different from humans. Male mice don't have nipples, for example. So it becomes unsurprising that male mice didn't start off female in the womb. Male humans, however, DO have nipples... I wonder why.

[ADFSDF1996]

@mistixs mice are similar to humans. That’s why the study was conducted.

[ADFSDF1996]

@mistixs https://www.jax.org/why-the-mouse/excellent-models

[mistixs]

@ADFSDF1996 But male mice don't have nipples, so clearly they aren't similar in regards to fetal sexual development.

[ADFSDF1996]

@mistixs male mice do initially have nipples but they retract during their developmental stages.

[mistixs]

@ADFSDF1996 So if mice all started out male in the womb, why would they have nipples, which are only necessary in females?

[ADFSDF1996]

@mistixs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjkerifzhi8

[mistixs]

@ADFSDF1996 Yes, the common theory in humans is that men have nipples because we all start out female in the womb. But you're saying mice (& thus humans) start out male in the womb, which would necessitate that males not have nipples

[OfDeath]

That doesn't make sense

[ADFSDF1996]

@mistixs The common theory is that all people start off as “gender neutral” not as women.

The protein called COUP-TFII is what eliminates the primitive male tissue in females. Both the wolffian duct (male) and Müllerian duct (female) are present on early embryos.

[hahahmm]

I don’t find most of today’s models attractive at all. Watched some of that show America’s Next Top Model many years ago & laughed my azz off.