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Complaining about cultural appropriation is one of the dumbest things I can think of.
People have been learning and borrowing from other cultures forever. Are we supposed to think pasta, chili, coffee, coco, silk, fireworks or men's power suits are cultural appropriation? How is it cultural appropriation for other cultures to wear Levis, cowboy hats and cowboy boots, or any number of subculture fashions? What about ancient Celtic or Germanic designs? Who invented plaited or braided hair? And who invented tattoos? Are non-Africans allowed to play blues music? Are musicians not allowed to be influenced by forms of music that originally evolved in different parts of the world?
What's wrong with admiring clothing or jewelry styles from around the world and honoring them by wearing them? It's homage, not theft. I think of it more like fusion, like fusion foods. It adds richness to our experience.
Purists make me sick. They are anti-progress.
I think those who talk about cultural appropriation are racist or ethnocentric. They are full of hate and trying to justify it by claiming a victimhood that most of them never personally experienced. Instead of promoting the idea that we are all members of the human race, they want to divide us.
They aren’t just a hairstyle, and styles like braids weren’t made for white people hair. their hair is going to fall out eventually or stop growing.
People are defensive because most white people reject the history that comes along with these cultural hairstyles and disregard them as “just hairstyles” they aren’t just hairstyles. A ponytail is just a hairstyle, space buns are just a hairstyle but black people care for their hair a lot. In Africa your hairstyle can literally tell people if your married, your status, etc.
It’s held with high regard in Africa and because of that black people are uncomfortable with white people taking our hairstyles, without paying homage to the culture that it came from in the first place. Most white people will just get the braids cause they think it looks “trendy” despite the fact that many black people will actually get the hairstyles to protect their natural hair but weren’t allowed to wear their own cultural hair to the workplace until the CROWN act because our cultural hair was seen as unprofessional.
Braids and dreads are for black hair only. This’ll probably get hella hate, but idc. This is my black ass opinion and I want to gate keep my culture, white girls can find something else to go colonize 😂
I feel like we are being divided even though I'm not white because technically no one is "white" or "black" two very racist things it doesn't matter what we look like, we are all humans, we can where what we want, and you don't got to judge someone of what they wearing what they look like or there hair bruh I ain't gonna wasn't my time listening I'm just gonna advise y'all should stop with labeling and assuming and starting drama can you just be pieceful does it matter what way our hair on our head goes on the color on our skin because that don't matter. PERIOD...
@DianaWest listen here Rebecca, Asians have straight hair and black people with naturally pin straight hair exist. Search up melenasians. 100% black with blonde hair and blue eyes. Y’all white women keep using the same damn argument to steal our culture 🤷🏽♀️ you want to replicate what you’ll never be ❤️ it’s ok boo, be original with your little messy bun or fish braids.
The internet was invented by white people and was originally a social signal for being a huge nerd.
How dare black people think they can use it just to talk to their friends. They aren't even respecting white need culture.
It's so racist that black people think they should be allowed to use the internet when they aren't even white.
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That's literally your argument against white people having dreads. 🤦🏼♂️
Have your culture. That's fantastic. But this is America where you can't tell someone else how to live, what to buy, or how to wear their own hair.
Saying white people aren't allowed to have dreads is like saying black people aren't allowed to drive cars or use the internet because they were invented by white people. That is racist as F***
@Lost_in_the_Woods nice fan fiction. A black guy by the name of Philip Emeagwali actually created the internet, not white people. He used 65,000 separate computer processors to preform 3.1 billion calculations per second in 1989
I didn’t have to point that out but I just thought I’d correct your misinformation, now. Notice how cars and stuff like the internet DO NOT HAVE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
I’ll let your Brain process this for a second, because for some reason you took the time to respond to me thinking this was a valid critique of what I was saying.
Hair in African culture has significance, it means a lot so it isn’t just hair to Africans or any other black personality for that matter. Especially black women. We will literally sit in a hair salon chair for hours upon hours just for our hair to look good because hair means a lot and is valued in our culture. The same can’t be said for cars or the god damn internet.
Lastly, you misinterpret what I said. I never once said white people csnt wear braids. I said BRAIDS aren't MADE FOR WHITE PEOPLE HAIR. That a significant difference, i capitalized so maybe it’d make more sense for you?
Your hair follicles are too thin to be holding dreads and braids (done correctly) therefore if you get them your scalp is going to hate you and your hair will fall out. This is me helping you, but I don’t really care. If you as a white person still want some dreads than have at it and make sure to send me a picture when you end up looking like a stage 3 cancer patient.
Literally Google "who invented the internet"
And you'll see Dupe-Ya is just talking out her ass as usual.
https://*duckduckgo. com/? q=who+invented+the+internet&iax=images&ia=images
Just copy and paste and remove the *
Also, the internet doesn't have cultural significance? 😂🤣😂
What planet are you from?
Aparently a planet that doesn't have hippies on it, because a lot of white people have had dreads since before you were born and they still look great.
You are wrong, so you just lie to make yourself feel better.
It's honestly so cringe I don't even enjoy laughing at you.
the reason why they show is because they really don’t want black people to be given credit for their inventions, it’s literally how white supremacy works but ok.
And I meant that the internet has no cultural significance in the way that I’m referring to hair. Not to mention you blatantly ignored the other claims I made, probably cause they make you sound hella stupid. Do yourself a favor and shut the hell up if you’re gonna talk about problems you have no idea about.
Stop arguing about how white people can wear dreads, I quite literally said I don’t care and they can’t but they shouldn’t because their hairs too thin and brittle and you’re getting mad
Wow, I just saw that you are 15 and I actually kind of feel bad now.
But that explains so much.
I'm pretty sure the only point I didn't address was the one about "literally sitting in a chair for hours for your hair to look nice"
1. That's called privilege. I cut my own hair and soak it in coconut oil because I can't afford that crap. (It's like 18" long)
2. I rebuild antique cars and motorcycles on a shoestring budget. I also have a three monitor gaming rig I built for like $200. I promise both of those things take way more time and effort than "literally sitting in a chair for hours" 😂🤣😂🤣
And yes, the internet has a massive cultural significance. As does my dads 66 VW and my antique Suzuki motorcycle.
One time I actually got to work on a Toshiba laptop so old the screen was back and green.
You just don't care about anyone elses culture so it has no significance... To you.
But yeah, American hippies were wearing dreads back in the 70's. White peoples hair absolutely can work just fine for dreadlocks.
You're just absolutely full of racist ideas... 🤦🏼♂️
But at 15, I think it's safe to say it isn't your fault. Please try to think about what you are typing and who told you to say those things. It'll do you a lot of good.
*Pats head and backs away slowly*
@jspl90 The Egyptians where THE FRIST people to wear dreads, Egypt is in the continent of Africa. They wore dreads since 2500 b. c?
As for Indians.. they come from Africans? African woman have the eve gene. The earliest population of hunter gatherers arrived from Africa. It’s common sense to infer they brang their cultural practices along with them? it’s alright for them to wear dreads cause it has spiritual meanings and they do it knowing the background. The same can’t be said for white people, especially since they literally had the US circuit court of appeals rule it’s not discriminatory to ban locs in the workplace. Meanwhile, on that same day Marc Jacobs brang a bunch of white models wearing locs to a runway.
You notice a pattern of where other peoples culture is appropriated for white peoples use? People are sick and tired of it and that’s why people gate keep stuff from white people, if you’re not willing to understand our struggle or even our culture than don’t participate in it in the first place.
Europeans are also descended from Africa.
Pretty much all scientists and religions agree that human life started in Africa and spread from there.
So by that logic... Literally everyone has the same (Black, African) ancestors and therefore is a direct descent of early African Culture.
So sure, only people with African heritage can wear dreadlocks. And that means literally every human on Earth.
Black and White people are the same, and peace on Earth is now within reach.
I actually think you are onto something big with that one.
@Lost_in_the_Woods who told you that? Lmao, white people are descendants from neandrathals they are from the caucus mountains? Human life did start in Africa, white people exist because of the intermixing of Neanderthals with humans. That’s why 100% pure Africans have zero Neanderthal dna in them.
https://youtu.be/M0PZo5IKne4
https://youtu.be/B8Vx6ZfteoY
And white people definitely all don’t share European ancestry
Did this 15 year old girl just confidently state that black people and white people don't have a common ancestor?
We just spontaneously occured on two different sides of the planet and met up later?
Homie we all came from the same place. We are the same species. Most of our DNA is identical to a zebra's.
I promise, no matter who you ask we all decended from the same place, and that place was Africa.
Nobody thinks god make two different couples on different sides of the planet, and nobody thinks two different groups of monkeys happened to evolve into identical humans with the one exception being skin color.
I swear, someday everyone will see that we are all just regular sneetches one way or there other and we will be so happy. 
I'm not even gonna respond to the part where you said "white people came from neanderthals and then later intermixed with humans"...
Because I literally don't even know what to say to that.
Other than that we are all humans and we all came from the same place.
Literally evolutionary science and genealogy explains that.
White people did come from Neanderthals, literally a google search can tell you this.
It’s not that hard to process, Neanderthals repeatedly mated with the ancestors of modern humans. That’s how white people exist, The humans who moved into central Asia and the Middle East encountered and reproduced with Neanderthals.
This is basic human evolution my guy. I know School doesn’t teach you this, but you really shouldn’t be speaking so confidently on something it’s clear you know little to nothing about.
That’s why white Europeans contain the most Neanderthal dna.
leading archaeologists, geneticists, and anthropologists confirmed that humans outside Africa had bred with Neanderthals.
www.google.com/.../
Let me simplify it, do you think humanity had one origin or two separate origins?
Where do you think it started?
Do you actually believe we are two different species or?
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Our education system is a disgrace to all of humanity.
But it isn't her fault.
@Lost_in_the_Wood can you not read. I clearly said that human life started in Africa. Neanderthal life started in the caucus mountains. Neanderthals were a different species, they died out after too much inbreeding. But their genes exist in modern day white people and Asians since modern day humans interbred with them.
www.popsci.com/excerpt-superior-race-science/
So you agree that all humans have Africa heritage.
So are you saying you agree, or...
Are you saying that white people aren't human and are actually a different species?
And, you think humans evolved in Africa and Neanderthals evolved separately somewhere else, then the neanderthals died out but white "people" are their decendants and therefore not human?
That's a new stance I have literally never heard before.
Do you think you don't have any white people DNA?
Nowhere in your bloodline all the way back to thr Dawn of history?
Both fossil and genetic evidence indicate that Neanderthals and modern humans (Homo sapiens) evolved from a common ancestor between 700,000 and 300,000 years ago.
They are what would be considered the relatives of humans.
genetic evidence indicate while they interbred with non-African modern humans, they ultimately became distinct branches of the human family tree (separate species).
What is your definition of "human"?
You raise so many disturbing questions.
If a dog shares some DNA with a wolf because dogs evolved from wolves, does that make it not 100% a dog?
What if you found out you had a white ancestor from 1000 years ago, would say you weren't 100% human?
It's really strange to claim that black and white people aren't the same species and that only black people are 100% human as part of your argument against racism.
Do you know the definition of the word "species"?
If neanderthals also evolved from the same African origins,
Were they allowed to have dreadlocks? Because they would have been less removed from the original African origin than you are.
What if they had dreadlocks by accident just because the comb hadn't been invented yet. Would that make them racist?
Do you think your DNA is less similar to mine than a Neanderthals?
And simultaneously more similar to the prehistoric African humans that the neanderthals evolved from?
I do have a small percent, because of something called slavery and colonialism. Which happened almost everywhere in Africa.
By human I’m referring to homio sapien.
I never claimed that black and white people aren’t the same species, I explained that white people come from different backgrounds. “White People didn’t come from Africa”. White people also didn’t come from Europe, Europe was just all eurasia.
White people are type result of the interbreeding of humans and Neanderthals. They’re still human just with a small percentage of Neanderthal dna so not 100% human in a technical sense.
So what you are saying is that you agree, we all have DNA from various sources, but all of those are traced back to the origin of humanity that took place in Africa.
Which brings us back to the question of, if we are all actually decendants of the first people in Africa, why can some people have hair like them but other people can't?
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/03/zendaya-giuliana-rancic-dreadlocks-comment-oscars-2015-w-magazine/amp
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-hair-discrimination-impacts-black-americans-in-their-personal-lives-and-the-workplace
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2021/02/23/penalizing-black-hair-in-the-name-of-academic-success-is-undeniably-racist-unfounded-and-against-the-law/amp/
Please read and then maybe you can see why it is offensive when white people wear these styles for edginess. It is different if a culture is being celebrated for an event or something, but to steal a style from a culture and claiming it to be yours, 1. Without giving credit to that culture, and 2. knowing it is offensive and doing it anyway just to be “cute” or “cool” is not okay.
It’s crazy because I used to be able to look up “cute braid styles” on Google and see a plethora of black hairstyles but now I look it up and it’s mostly white people at the top so I have to search “braided hairstyles for black women”. It’s a sad thing in my opinion. Braids once belonged to our culture but in a couple hundred years little to no one will know.
Why are you wearing a jeans that is invented by white men?
To your culture my ass, there are hundreds of cultures in africa. You are American so you have no right to say something about cultures in africa. And if we get petty, jeens, apple, most of electronics, cars, and a lot of skin care products are from so called white culture, I double dare you to use them. How could you approitate white culture!
Ouh i find your hair style offensive, grow some backbone for once. No one is asking for your permission to wear braids.
Those articles are entirely unrelated to your point.
Also, take your last paragraph, replace black for white, and white for black, then imagine a white person saying it. Come on...
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There’s a difference between freedom of expression vs cultural appropriation vs cultural appreciation.
Freedom is expression is fine as long as you’re not stealing another culture and claiming it as your own.
Cultural appropriation is when you are in fact taking another culture than your own and claiming it yours by not giving credit to the origin.
Cultural appreciation is when you’re using another culture and spreading knowledge about it’s origin and not claiming it your own.
To understand this better:
Imagine having your grandma’s secret recipe and ingredients for a cake. This secret recipe is SO VALUABLE to you and your family, right? Your grandma made it herself. It was her secret recipe and ONLY your family knows specifically that recipe for that specific cake.
Let’s say one day that recipe was stolen, okay? Then that recipe is distributed everywhere around the world. Everyone LOVES the cake’s recipe but doesn’t know the origin. Nobody seems to care, they just know the cake is delicious and they claim that recipe is theirs. Disrespecting THE REAL originator (your grandma) and their family (your family). While others are getting awards, pictures, and media attention for your grandma’s cake NOBODY is giving you and your family credit for that secret recipe.
When you style your hair like dreds or another style from another culture WITHOUT giving credit and spreading awareness of where that hair style came from, you are as good as the people who stole your grandma’s secret cake recipe.
To answer your original question to cure this problem you must research the origin of where and who wore dreds first. Give credit to those who originated it first, when it started, which country it came from, who was the originator, etc. LEARN about it first. This way when anybody on the street or the internet calls cultural appropriation you can easily spread awareness of its origination and knowledge about it.
This is an absolutely absurd way to think and it honestly disgusts me lol.
I can't even think of a reply to this. Its moral holier than thouism to the maximum degree.
Nobody has a moral responsibility to do research on anything. This is complete nonsense.
We might as well just implement the chinese social credit system.
The purpose of all of this is for those who believe themselves to be the moral arbiters of truth and justice, to gather together and force other people to act as they believe is right and just.
I feel like we are going back to some kind of sick and bizarre form of christianity. We are going to have a mordern day crusades to wipe out the heretics who steal other people's cultures.
Its called freedom. And freedom means cultures are going to mix.
Nobody has any moral responsibility go do what you say. I think its sick that you think this is the epitome of morality.
1. Many BW feel they can't have anything to themselves. They think if they create something, here comes a WW to claim it as there's and take it away. Here's an example, BW have worn bonnets for years, but a WW created a brand of bonnets and got recognition for creating this "new" and "Innovative" product, which clearly wasn't. BW are also deemed "ghetto" for wearing braids, etc., but when a WW does it's viewed as cute and high fashion (the media's fault in my opinion)
2. As others have mentioned, it's simply not healthy for fine hair. It's not healthy for our hair if it isn't properly maintained.
3. From my understanding, Sari's are a traditional dress for Indian culture, not something they wear simply because it's "cute". There's meaning behind it. So, when you were it just because you think it's "cute" they view it as disrespect toward their culture, and I would assume that goes for anything else that has a cultural significance behind it.
There is are differences ebetween epoints 1&3: cultural significance and tradition. Most BP don't wear braids for these reasons, we wear it to protect our hair, grow it longer, and/or to be stylish. Some BP wear "for the culture".
I'm a BW, and I speak only for myself when I say this: idc if WP wear braids or dreads. I used to, but there are more important things in life to focus on. So, go for it! I won't speak on Saris, bcus I don't think it's my place. Just be respectful of the people who inspire you.
Because everyone can appropriate white cultures because duh what cultures? We don't have any cultures. But God forbid a white person wears something typically associated with any other group of people.
But seriously - if you want to use clothing from some culture that is an everyday typical clothing then that's ok. But if you're trying to use an element that has a cultural/religious significance then you shouldn't.
For example - if you want to wear traditional Native American shoes and you're not Native yourself then that's ok because that's a normal thing for people to wear. It's not associated with anything specific and important to them, it's just shoes. But if you want to wear feathers that symbolise some kind of achievement then you shouldn't because to them those mean more than just a simple decoration. Similarly with other cultures, if it's a type of clothing reserved for special occasions or ceremonies then don't use them outside of those intended purposes. But everyday type of wear? If anyone has a problem with that, then it is THEIR problem, not yours.
I love the take that whites don't have culture, we don't have a single culture that spans the entire skin color of "white", but neither do blacks, the closest they have is "African American", which they pretend includes all blacks, as if their aren't dozens of African cultures. Like, literally everybody who thinks that whites don't have culture, clearly hasn't been to a German or Polish festival, or anywhere in Europe for that matter, also they are almost 100% guaranteed to be from North America. There are tons of white cultures, but America is a cultural mixing pot, so it makes them really indistinct from each other, and lots of people in America live a fusion of two or more cultures. Whites and blacks are alike on this, but the difference is that we assume all blacks are the same culture and we brand that as "African American" and all whites have no culture lmao, we should just start calling ourselves "White American" or "European American".
My opinion is that the biggest problem with society right now all cultures and races is the inability to see and appreciate each other for our differences and appreciate and not feel so threatened by things that are different or that we don't understand. Communication is key we are easy to notice things that other people do that make us uncomfortable while being blind of the things that we do that make others uncomfortable. We rely and pass along and adopt and accept ĺinformation without verifying or fully understanding the significance of it. We go into situations ready to defend our ways of life ignorantly without being open to understanding that therer are other ways to live life that are equally as positive and fulfilling possibly better we could learn. We should be also be mindful and understand that perception is reality until the truth is discussed and mutually acknowledged and agreed upon. It may seem strange but reality has as many forks in it as there are people that witnessed and now perceive it.
For one it’s not made for their hair. It’s not so much you can’t have box braids cause you’re white it’s more like your hair is gonna fall out cause it can’t handle kanekalon… sams with dreads. Their hair is so oily naturally , they have to wash it constantly. It’s a whole process with dreads that’s why they end up with mold in their hair. But let’s be real black women are trend setters and seeing something we have been doing or wearing for years being claimed as a new trend by a white woman is frustrating. Nothing wrong If you appreciate it just don’t claim it as your own and most white women put on this ghetto facade as soon as they get some braids. Just be yourself.
Oh yeah I heard about that. I have dry curly hair I wonder if dreads would work with my hair
Loll really 😂? Damn that’s crazy
Are box braids bad for their hair too?
So people really claim it like it’s their own?
What's the problem if she looks good in it? And more importantly, feel good in it? Just because she tried a style from different culture, it doesn't mean she claimed it to be her own. Similarly, you must have worn and done so many things white people introduced to the world.
@YourFutureEx what’re you talking about?
@YourFutureEx that's one of my best friends on here if not my best friend so pump the breaks. Because I don't know where you are going with this but I won't tolerate bs in this situation
"Nothing wrong If you appreciate it just don’t claim it as your own"
This. Just because they tried the style, it doesn't mean they have claimed it. How would you feel if an Asian woman started getting offended over the girl in your profile picture because that girl has straight hair which is typically an Asiatic feature?
@WowwGirl what is the point of your comment? I replied to her opinion regarding what she has written in it and that's the most fundamental feature of this site.
I don't care if you're her friend or her enemy because it is totally unrelated to the topic of this thread.
If you want to prove your friendship to her, there are millions of far better ways and things you can do for her.
Or if you love acting like a police, go work for it and become one because you have absolutely no authority here and your threats are laughable.
@YourFutureEx that’s me In my profile pic and straight hair is not synonymous with Asian people. Anyone can have straight hair. I was obviously referring to the people who take something from black culture and claim it as theirs.
You see, people really don't claim it as theirs as you didn't claim those things as yours. Yeah sure there may be some narcissistic people who might do so but it should not be a big topic for debates because such people are in minority and there will always be bad people in all aspects of life. One should not feel any hesitation and fear (like the asker might did, considering she felt the need to post this) to try something new and feel good and beautiful about it. I wish more black people saw this as appreciation and not appropriation because imitation is the best form of flattery. But to each their own.
@YourFutureEx did you read anything I said… ?
Everything.
@YourFutureEx yet you’re still confused
Maybe you're not reading what I've written and that's why you seem to be the confused one to me.
I would agree people get hurt over anything but you have to look deeper as to why. As you mentioned it's OTHER people's culture, not the white person. Since the longest people that practice their cultures are always down upon from generally white people. There are rules in place in the workforce that stop people from practicing their cultures. There have been black females that are told they can have their hair a certain why and some were forced to change it. So how do you think they would feel that when they practice something that is natural to them it is seen as ugly, not normal, and frowned upon, BUT when a white person does it, all of a sudden its accepted, it's beautiful and it becomes a trend, then you have people that try to profit off of something that does not belong to them. Its one thing to have ideas but its another thing to grab someones culture and use it for your own good.
That’s a good point
This. White guys, black guys, Asian guys, most guys attract within their own culture white guys included. White guys have been frustrated seeing their own culture unappreciated disappearing. I walked away from all the confusion many years ago and became a MGTOW Monk.
I think what you're describing are two different groups of people.
The [white person] who oppresses the [black person] and forces them to conform to some 'ideal' standard. And the person who adopts, temporarily, a style or aspect of another culture that they like, admire, and appreciate.
These don't crossover, as one.
Intelligent people realize this, and therefore would not find the need to criticize the second person, as being lumped in with the first. It's being mad the wrong person.
It wouldn't be a big deal if the people from the culture that was being appropriated didn't have social backlash for wearing the style that belongs to their culture. For example, when black women want to wear their hair in cornrows they have trouble when they're at work but when a white girl does it she's considered fashionable and edgy. Same hairstyle different race different outcome. This is the issue that we as black women, cause let's not act like this isn't about our hairstyles, have with people "appropriating" our hairstyles.
We don't give a crap if some white girl wants to put her hair and braids. What we give a crap about is the fact that when we wear our own hair in our own style is considered unprofessional but when they do it it's considered fine. We're sick of the double standard not the quote-unquote appropriation.
This is double standards and racism and they deserve condemnation, like people getting offended over others' appearance do.
1. Anyone can get dreads. If your hair is not combed, dreads can form.
2. It does serve cultural and spiritual meanings but if you want dreads, then have dreads. This is coming from a black dude by the way.
3. Just don't be offensive with them my guy, watch videos about it and people from the actual culture will give your opinion. I think us [ethnicity]-Americans get a little too hung up in what's ours when the ancestors before us and people of other cultures now just want peace and togetherness than just separate. Like do you you how awesome it is to feel like your culture is cool in the eyes of a foreigner or something like that?
@pink_and_inlove - "short Chinese traditional dress ". Legitimate traditional Chinese dresses worn by RESPECTABLE women are long.
On the other hand traditionally yueji - aka prostitutes, whores, women for hire, sluts, women of no respect, women viewed of little to no value, street workers, etc - would wear shorter outfits hence the justified dislike of some dimwitted non-Asian wearing something improper.
And that is why taking on other's culture when you're ignorant & uneducated about it makes such behavior incredibly offensive. .
So, should we still label women who wear short dresses as prostitutes because of traditions?
@YourFutureEx They're typically easy compared to women who wear more decent outfits. n
I cannot believe I heard a woman saying that
I think there is a hyper sensitivity when it comes to things people think of as their identity whether it be cultural or otherwise. If done respectfully, I don't really begrudge anyone of any race of doing it. Where it becomes a problem is when those displays become a parody of those traditions.
Examples:
¹people basically making fools of themselves by mocking stereotypes of those with Irish heritage on st Patrick's day
²anyone who uses blackface regardless of the reason
³people slapping on a Sombrero and speaking bad Spanglish on Cinco de Mayo
I think you get the general idea and if you are one of those people and think, "oh it is just harmless fun" then grow the hell up.
I'm irish. I have never seen an Irish person actually claim to be a victim when people dress up as leprechauns.
We're a lot more likely to laugh and say welcome to the club.
Honestly, it's just harmless fun. If anything it's a compliment.
The difference is the Irish actually we're victims of racism way more recently than blacks or natives.
We are just happy thats over. We aren't trying to play victim to get a reparations check.
What did I say to tear down a different race?
That blacks and natives were victims before the Irish were?
You must just absolutely lose your shit when you see a history text book. 🤣😂🤣
Stating historical facts isn't racist. That's all I did, except for speak for my own culture to clear up your false assumptions that Irish people had a problem with wearing green and getting shit faced on saint Patrick's day. (Spoiler alert, they totally don't. Maybe a few super Catholic grannies but even most of them are pretty open minded.)
But you're welcome to see my opinion and debate me on that.
Telling people that racism is wrong isn't a hate crime. Robbing someone and burning their house down because they are a different color from you actually is.
But hey, you're welcome to make false statements about the Irish all you want. We really see it as a reflection of you more than anything we should be concerned about.
Irish people love to get shit faced and dress up as leprechauns. I don't really know why. . . But it's honestly just harmless fun. Why would we try to stop other people from joining in?
You speak for yourself, not the entirety of Irish culture. Let's be clear on that point first. I am willing to bet it is easier for me to find those with Irish heritage who DO have a problem with it than it is for you to have every person of Irish heritage say they are fine with it. Hell, you may even be right that a majority are fine with it, but that wasn't my point now was it?
As for tearing down others, please don't pretend like we both didn't see your comment about reparations checks or playing victim. The Irish were able to own land here in the US (1862) before Lincoln officially freed the slaves (1863) and beyond that, it still took another 2 years for that message to even get around enough to free those here in Texas by legal decree. Blacks gained the rights to citizenship in 1866. There was an Irish backlash in 1850s, but by the time the 1880-90s rolled in, they were already holding public offices as mayors in both NYC and Boston. Through the twentieth century we saw segregation of blacks in every facet of life. Even today, we still talking about the systemic racism that exists within our country. I haven't even BEGUN to cover native americans here.
As for Irish being the victims of racism, that is kind of impossible. Irish isn't a race, it is an ethnicity.
Consider the topic debated. It is 330 am. I am going to bed.
I'm actually an Irish Citizen. Most of my family lives there.
You obviously aren't Irish, and you are trying to say I can't speak for the nation but you can?
I don't speak for everyone. I just have common sense. Google "Dublin on St. Patricks day" and you'll see how absolutely wrong you are.
"Targeting belittling and opresing a perticular ethnicity can't possibly be racism" Ez-Bri-Z
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I don't really consider that a debate. You are just embarrassing yourself.
But, I will give you credit for the fact that both Irish and back Americans faced opresion well into the 60's. That is a good point, but it doesn't really detract from mine in any way so it still doesn't present much in the way of debait. 🤷🏼♂️
Ps: everyone can see both of our comments. You just have a problem with me telling the truth because it expose how wrong you are.
That isn't an attack. I'm actually spending my time to try to help you understand how rediculously weak your argument for racial discrimination being good actually is.
Racial discrimination is bad. But you've never seen a firefighter get his feeling hurt when he sees a little kid with a fire hat on.
That's not an attack. It's a compliment. You just think you own the whole world and you really don't.
Ps: masks don't protect you from computer viruses... That makes it super hard to take you seriously.
Okay, well, I generally don't like debating people when they can't be civil and make a point without trying to be insulting, which in 90% of cases mean they don't really have anything useful to say. In your case though, I am going to make a special exception.
First off, please do try to gather all your thoughts at once instead of needing to post 5 different message to say really absolutely nothing useful (see you brought this side of me out and now I get to be rude too). If you are unable to do so, then at least condense down to posts with substance and any truth behind them, that would be super awesome possum.
Now with that out of the way, I am going to break each of these down post by post.
3. I don't really consider that a debate. You are just embarrassing yourself.
But, I will give you credit for the fact that both Irish and back Americans faced opresion well into the 60's. That is a good point, but it doesn't really detract from mine in any way so it still doesn't present much in the way of debait.
3a. There we are with the spelling again. The worst part of it is, you actually spelled debate correctly at the top then spelled it wrong at the bottom. Short attention span?
I don't consider this a debate either. Your only arguments were an incorrect statement about time frames of oppression, an incorrect statement of what constitutes racism, and a generalized statement speaking on behalf of the Irish nation. I brought historical facts, ones you even acknowledge as correct. Only one of us did any real research which is generally needed for a debate and, honestly, this shouldn't have even been one. You came in here trying to start one, but have no real substance which is even more frustrating because I LOVE to debate. The problem here is you are not competently providing me one.
1. I'm actually an Irish Citizen. Most of my family lives there.
You obviously aren't Irish, and you are trying to say I can't speak for the nation but you can?
I don't speak for everyone. I just have common sense. Google "Dublin on St. Patricks day" and you'll see how absolutely wrong you are.
1a. Congratu-fcking-lations. You descend from Ireland. This still has no bearing on ANYTHING I said other than you trying to speak for all Irish people. I even acknowledged that there may be a majority that have no problem with it. There are still those who do. Please feel free to look at my original post and point out anywhere where I said it was offensive to the entirety of the Irish nation. I double dog dare you. I won't hold my breath waiting though, because it isn't there. You felt the need to jump in here and say "nuh uh, I don't care! My mommy doesn't care!" If basic reading comprehension fails you, then let me make this SUPER easy for you.
"If done respectfully, I don't really begrudge anyone of any race of doing it. Where it becomes a problem is when those displays become a parody of those traditions."
Did you catch it? I DON'T BEGRUDGE. There, I made it all caps for you. I was only talking about myself. Also, you have 0 idea about my family tree so please don't make assumptions. If THAT doesn't work for you, then please let me introduce you to my red haired, green eyed wife that... oh my gosh... descends from Ireland? Let's hear what she has to say.
Wife: "I really don't care, but this guy is a fcking idiot anyway."
I know it doesn't help my case any, but it made me laugh and, honestly, you kinda deserved it.
2. This line - "Targeting belittling and opresing a perticular ethnicity can't possibly be racism" Ez-Bri-Z
2a. Please consult a dictionary or even spell check before posting. It truly weakens your points if someone has to try to take you seriously with spelling worse than a 2nd grader.
Yeah, it can't be racism, because it isn't a race. It is an ethnicity. You can be oppressed and still not have it be part of a specific race. That is like me claiming someone is a racist because they give me grief about liking video games. One has nothing to do with the other. Get it?
4. Ps: everyone can see both of our comments. You just have a problem with me telling the truth because it expose how wrong you are.
That isn't an attack. I'm actually spending my time to try to help you understand how rediculously weak your argument for racial discrimination being good actually is.
4a. It doesn't make me wrong at all, but nice try anyway.
You did attack me in several comments and I removed them. I am leaving these up though because now I stooped to your level and joined in with being insulting. Fair is fair, I will leave the ones you just made up for others to see.
5. Racial discrimination is bad. But you've never seen a firefighter get his feeling hurt when he sees a little kid with a fire hat on.
That's not an attack. It's a compliment. You just think you own the whole world and you really don't.
5a. sigh I can't believe I even have to do this...
A firefighter, much like the Irish ethnicity, ISN'T A RACE. Make your argument stronger by saying this, and I can't believe I am having to even write your arguments for you.
"As someone from an Irish heritage, I personally don't mind it and even find it flattering. I could see how some might take it the wrong way though."
No, I don't think I own the whole world, I do know I am owning you in this conversation. I can't even refer to it as a debate anymore until you actually learn how to have one
6. Ps: masks don't protect you from computer viruses... That makes it super hard to take you seriously.
6a. What? I have no idea what you are on about here, but maybe seek medication or professional help. Okay, thanks.
It is not lost on me that I had to make multiple posts myself, but in all fairness this site only allows 2000 characters to each post and I had a lot to say. To make matters worse it even did them out of order when I did break them down. *sigh*
I've been evaluated.
Have you?
Because you remind me of me before I got help.
And seriously? I have actual Lawsuits to work on. I don't need to spend time scrolling through numbered paragraphs and rereading everything I wrote just to hear your opinion about Irish people being offended by Saint Patrick's day.
I find it much easier to make a few short comments on here because (so far as I can tell) you can't edit them. I don't see why that is an issue, but I don't need you to quote everything I said in your response.
I'm not trying to insult you. Literally, I'm Irish. I actually think you are alright, smart, passionate, even kind of attractive. You just take everything as an attack and use that as an excuse to go on the offense against anyone who doesn't validate your idea of racial victimization.
I'm not racist. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm literally just here to explain that dressing up as a leprechaun and getting shit faced isn't racist. In the same way that little kids dressing up as firefighters isn't an insult to firefighters, and white girls having dreadlocks isn't an attack on black culture.
But for you, I'll try to read your response and see if I can find at least one thing I agree with.
Yep, nope... I tried but you're on a rant I can't even begin to respond to.
I think you need to take a deep breath and realize that even your wife backs up my statement that Irish people literally don't give a fuck if other people dress up like leprechauns.
Its not an attack. I actually find it to be really entertaining.
I'd apologize for the typos but I honestly think I got my point across just fine so, I'll let you win the grammar badge and we can call it 1 to 1.
by the way, when I got the psyciatric evaluation they told me I was suffering from stress, otherwise healthy, and had an IQ of 134. That's (above) the 99.9th percentile in the US.
Your wife doesn't know what she is talking about, and you don't even realize that you are wearing a medical mask in your profile picture. 🤪
I truly have no idea why you are so upset with me for not thinking it's racist to enjoy other peoples cultures too.
But, I am interested in your ideas about race vs ethnicity.
Would you consider Hitler racist? Do you have your own word for ethnic discrimination?
Or are you saying you think it's alright to discriminate against a certain group of people so long as it's about culture and not about skin color?
Are you arguing semantics on that one, or are you saying it's fine to gas Jewish people so long as you are are also white?
I would argue that based on this definition from MW, you are actually just flat out wrong, and the Irish are in fact a race, and an ethnicity.
Race isn't just a fancy word for skin color.
https://*www. merriam-webster. com/dictionary/race
(Remove the "*")
I read your original posts before removing them, you had every intention of attack. If you are willing to pull back on being insulting, so will I. I really actually hate doing it, but I am quite adept at it.
The only reason I even bothered quoting was because there was so many and no, much to my chagrin, you can't edit. Even worse, while I can absolutely remove your comments, I can't remove my own just to fix the order of posts in the way I wanted. Breaking down that whole thing into several other posts ended up in a disaster. I can't tell if the website or the app is actually worse in terms of this, but it is extremely frustrating.
You keep bringing up racism, but I never said it was racist, you did. I said people were hyper sensitive when it comes to what people identify as cultural. I said I don't begrudge anyone of any race doing things across cultures until it becomes a parody of it. That's it. This whole debate branched off from those statements.
I really, REALLY wanted to be a lawyer myself, but couldn't get over my stage fright. What I didn't lose was my passion for research and debate. I do both when I have one of these conversations. Everything I do is from a place of passion, because the debate itself is the passion.
I am going to say this now and I hope you see it before posting. The insults laced throughout, they were unnecessary. Cathartic, but unnecessary. They sort of actually demean my argument about those who use them have nothing to say. So for those, I apologize. It wasn't needed for what I had to say.
Oh please, don't bring the IQ into play because one, I scored higher anyway (feel free to go through my post history so you don't think I am lying) and two, it is a completely useless metric.
The computer virus joke.. was about my photo? Oh man, there were SO many better jokes you could have went with there. I cycle my photo every few days, that was the one I happened to choose.
As for definitions, I won't even make you navigate to another site. Here you go:
“Race” is usually associated with biology and linked with physical characteristics such as skin color or hair texture. “Ethnicity” is linked with cultural expression and identification. However, both are social constructs used to categorize and characterize seemingly distinct populations.
I would highly recommend taking the time to go through each one of my posts. I had the respect to go through all of yours.
If you think it's fine to imitate other cultures in a non reverent way, I honestly don't even know what we disagree on.
You are the only one who has a personal vendetta here. I don't have anything against you, I just think it's wrong to tell other people how to dress or how to wear their hair. Especially if you somehow base that off of race (or ethnicity as you prefer to call it) in the capacity of
"certain colored people can't do certain things because I don't want them to"
Especially when it comes to the dreadlock thing, I don't think it's even an attempt to imitate black culture. I think it's just a popular hairstyle. White Americans have been doing that since the 70's. Celts have been doing that since before America even existed. (I'm not sure they even knew black people existed)
I think it's racially discriminatory to tell a certain color of people they can't do certain things because of their skin tone.
And I think making fun of the Irish on Saint Patrick's day is, truly, just a bit of harmless fun. I actually enjoy it. My mom bought me some special socks with a leprechaun dropping is pants that "say kiss my ass" in Celtic and then again in English just to be sure people know what it says. And a T-shirt that says "Feck it sure it's grand"
Pretty sure she bought them both in Dublin. That's how I know you don't have a very deep understanding of Irish culture. It's not quite so Catholic as it used to be.
I'm sorry if my comments hurt your feelings, but I'm truly at a loss for words because I really don't understand how or why you interpret any of that as a personal attack.
I'm not even sure you disagree with me. You just seem to really be very angry for no comprehensible reason, so I'll admit I spoke too soon, and say you might actually be Irish after all.
But hey look, take a deep breath and wear your hair however you want to alright?
I'd consider dreading mine like some of my family have just to piss people off, but im actually about to cut it short and donate it to little girls with cancer again. And I don't think they accept dreads anyways.
I did read your posts. I don't have any idea how to respond to them.
Irish people are definitely and undoubtedly known for have a perticular skin color and hair texture.
So, I'm still confused about your point of view on that one.
But again, for you, I will try to respond to each of your perticulars.
1. Yes. I generally agree. That was my response to you saying I shouldn't speak for thr Irish and then proceeding to tell me what was offensive to thr Irish. My only point was that, neither of us speak for all of Ireland, but I'm actually a citizen of the place. I've been there. And I daresay I know more about it than you do.
I'm glad we agree that we shouldn't hold any grudges against people who respect our culture. My original point was that, I (along with most Irish people) actually enjoy harmless fun as well as reverent cultural appreciation and don't think we should hold that against people either.
Then see at the bottom there, that is where you brought the question of Intelligence into it. That's why I told you my IQ and mentioned that your wife doesn't know what she's talking about.
But, she (as an Irish person) also seems pretty unbothered about people dressing up as leprechauns on Saint Patrick's day. (Lord, she must really have to pick her battles, and I'm sure that isn't one of them)
2. I feel that you misunderstand the definitions of race and racism. We've covered that one already.
You didn't read anything I really wrote here today, did you? I have said repeatedly that I have no problem with anyone from any race borrowing from other cultures until they make a parody of it.
There is no personal vendetta, you just keep making points that have 0 to do with what I said. You brought up history of oppression which again had NOTHING to do with what I said. If you were truly paying attention, we wouldn't have even got to this point.
Whether you personally have a problem with how American's celebrate St Patrick's Day is inconsequential. You keep making this out to be like I am some sort of social justice warrior saying nobody is allowed to do something outside of their own culture or race. I never said that at all and that is the only part that truly bugs me about this. Your lack of reading comprehension has had me sitting here doing research that I never had to do. It left me sitting here making post after post while you brought up strawman arguments and tacky half boasts about IQ scores that weren't even above mine anyway as if I needed to be impressed (and for the record since I know you aren't going back to check, it is 142. I said then in that post it meant nothing other than to tease my youngest brother who got a 141 Otherwise, the whole thing is pointless.). None of those had ANYTHING to do with what I said, but you insisted on posting them anyway.
I am completely fine ending this here. In the end my point is this, I encourage people to learn as much as they can about other races and ethnic groups. I encourage them to embrace those cultures and find ways to respectfully incorporate them into their own and for each person to show their own individual ways of self expression. My problem, my ONLY problem with it, is when people to do it as a parody to be insulting to those very same cultures they borrowed from.
3. Hey look, we are actually agreeing on something. That is a beautiful thing. You are right that you had a good point about the timing. I concied that the opresion of black and Irish Americans happened simultaneously.
But, I don't see how that makes it offensive to dress up as a leprechaun, pinch your friends and best yourself with an empty beer bottle while screaming "happy saint Patty's day mother fuckers"
After that you go off on a bunch of nonsense and I don't see the point of playing "yes" "no" "yes" "no" for hours on end.
My argument is full of substance. Yours is mostly based on totally irrelevant semantics and technicalities.
But, I try to give you as much credit as I can for those.
4. I'm confident that I didn't attack you personally, because I have no reason to. I'm not sure what you interpreted as an insult, but you are the one openly calling me an idiot, and aparently you have taken it upon yourself to destroy the evidence of what I supposedly did wrong so, that's really a moot point.
5. Again, see the MW definition of race. The Irish/Celtic are a race. And that's pretty much the same thing as an ethnicity anyways. You are splitting hairs, not even remotely talking about dreadlocks being racist.
My point stands that pretending to be like someone else isn't a racist attack, but is in fact the purest form of flattery.
I don't really see how someone could take that as a racist attack. That is why I didn't say that. 😉
I'm convinced that you and I are the only ones reading this, and we both think we are winning. But, hurrah for the positive attitude. I like your confidence, even if I feel it's a bit misplaced.
6. We covered that one already too. I'm not sure what me ridiculing you for wearing a mask on the internet and you not even realizing that you are has to do with my mental health but, my doctors and I have already determined that I'm generally healthy apart from the generally enomous amounts of stress that I face and that medication isn't right for me. Our plan is to work on reducing financial and logistical stress to achieve greater peace and happiness.
I don't actually mind having some bars seperating so many words. It makes it much easier for me to read one section at a time and take a moment to sort of soak it all in and try to understand your point of view.
But for future, the site doesn't reorder your comments. Your phone create a new upload every time you hit send, but if you do it too quickly they end up overlapping and sometimes they lag or the shorter ones finish before the longer ones so the site gets them in a different order than you intended. (Just wait a few seconds till you see each one post, and that won't happen)
But, luckily you took the time to number them like a proper legal proceeding so, I guess maybe that was helpful after all.
I am going to be done with this conversation and not really respond after this, but this little nugget made me smile.
"After that you go off on a bunch of nonsense and I don't see the point of playing "yes" "no" "yes" "no" for hours on end.
My argument is full of substance. Yours is mostly based on totally irrelevant semantics and technicalities.
But, I try to give you as much credit as I can for those.
4. I'm confident that I didn't attack you personally, because I have no reason to. I'm not sure what you interpreted as an insult, but you are the one openly calling me an idiot, and aparently you have taken it upon yourself to destroy the evidence of what I supposedly did wrong so, that's really a moot point. "
So, you try and take a dig at me and then take the high ground of "I did no such thing as stooping as low as attacking you personally." You do realize how foolish you sound, yes?
Also, this one which really makes me smile. A moot point actually means it is up for debate.
A "moot point" or saying a point is moot, as a phrase, is frequently misinterpreted. It is frequently used to mean a point is irrelevant, not up for debate, not worth debating, or the speaker simply doesn't want to argue anymore, all of which are incorrect.
Just a little knowledge to drop on you since you don't like to research. People have been using it incorrectly for so long that now people just stopped caring, but research nerds like myself find it fascinating.
Finally, the nice thing about semantics and technicalities are... by technicality, they are right. You can choose to pout about it, but it doesn't make it any less true. For example, since you want to go the petty route and pretend that my clear information backed by actual data is lacking, let me just take the petty road one last time.
Technically, my IQ is higher on paper than yours, but I know I didn't need to see those numbers to know where we stand.
If you really do work in law, I pity the clients you work for. Maybe the judge will be impressed that your mom said that your client is in the right, but I am guessing they will probably listen to the side who actually does their research and knows how to read. Good luck in your career. I really feel you may need it, but hey, you are Irish right? Feel free to insert your Irish stereotype about being lucky here.
For the record, it is unbecoming to say the score is meaningless and then go on and on about yours being higher than mine when I never once suspected you were unintelligent.
But, because you see so interested, I was listerally hauled out of bed in the middle of the night, after the most stressful day of my life, barely getting anything to eat for three days, and the lady conducting the test hid the stopwatch under the table so I didn't know I was being timed.
You should have seen the look on their faces when the computer printed out 99.9%
They told me the percentile was probably considerably higher than that but they said that was as high as their computer goes.
They also mentioned that IQ is being phased out for some new score that I did even better on.
But hey, I'm very impressed by yours. I wasn't going to go look it up, but I had no doubt that you are exceptionally intelligent.
That said, you missed my point. I read and responded to your rant because you asked me to. I imagine you could have saved yourself a lot of time by just asking me to clarify my original comment instead of going on a tangent about dates and semantics and my cognitive health and function.
I actually like talking to you though. It's definitely a bit of a rollercoaster, but undoubtedly more educational and enjoyable than going back and forth with the 15 year old who insists that everyone is racist unless they only do the very specific things that she associates with their skin color and avoid doing anything she claims as hers or associates with a different skin color.
I never said I work in law. I said I work on lawsuits. You can sue whoever you want. I sued the government without a lawyer. 🤷🏼♂️
Here's how I imagine this could have gone. (With numbers just for you)
1. Your post that said people making fools of themselves on saint Patrick's day was a problem and ended with
"if you... think, "oh it's just harmless fun" then grow the hell up.
2. My comment
saying I have never seen an Irish person actually claim to be a victim when people dress up as leprechauns.
3. Your comment,
Missing the fact that the point I just made that was actually directly contrary to your original post.
4. My comment,
clarifying my point that the Irish don't usually pretend to be a victim of other people minding their own business (as some others do)
5. Your response to my actual point,
Not sure what that would have been, but maybe something along the lines of "I bet I could find at least one Irish person who would cry and wail and say they were deeply offended by americsns wearing leprechaun costumes"
6. I'd shrug and say
Yeah, I bet you could. It's my sister, she would be so disappointed to hear that you're already married 🙄
I on the other hand, think the solution to racism is acceptance. I used to get bullied for being gay every day of my life, just because I have long beautiful hair. I eventually found the solution was to smile and say "yes I am, and I'm dam proud of it. Do you think I'm pretty and want to be my boyfriend?"
I'm not gay, but I tell ya, hateful people have no idea what to say when you just take their insults as compliments.
My personal feelings, are that the worst thing we can do to reduce racism and discrimination is to constantly make up new shit to be offended by.
Saint Patrick's day isn't an attack on the Irish. Winged eyeliner isn't an attack on Asin people. Celts with dreadlocks aren't doing it to demean African Culture.
If little Wayne can stand on a stage, say the N word into a microphone 200 times and be one of Americas favorite musicians, and we can elect a president who actively fought against desegregation with 80% of the African American vote...
Americans can dress up as leprechauns then go out to get drunk and disorderly in celebration of a Catholic saint same as the Irish do. Harmless fun isn't a problem.
And white girls can have braids too.
I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone else how to wear their hair. I'm passionate about that. That's all I have to say.
And one last thing. You are right that technicalities are technically correct.
Except of course... When they aren't.
You obviously didn't open the dictionart link so, here.
Definition of race
(Entry 1 of 3)
1a. any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry
1b dated : a group of people sharing a common cultural, geographical, linguistic, or religious origin or background
1c acarchaic : the descendants of a common ancestor : a group sharing a common lineage
The Irish fit all three, even though people have slowly made it more and more complicated over time.
The problem with playing technicalities is, when you're wrong, it's really easy to prove you are wrong.
Irish people are known for their skin color, their hair, their ears, and their heritage. They are undoubtedly a race.
Not only was argument totally irrelevant, but it was totally inaccurate.
And, I still don't understand what you even though it proved. Say the actuslly Irish wern't a race... is ethnic discrimination somehow better than racial discrimination?
That's a very questionable way to take a stance against racism. It's important to keep your argument focused on the bigger picture. Otherwise you risk spending all your time to prove (or fail to prove) something entirely meaningless.
I have time. I'm here to waste it. But you seem to be on a powerful mission and I would have liked to see it happen (or not happen) instead of just get totally detailed and off topic.
Imagine if we'd had a chance to discuss weather or not it was a problem that some people like to copy the Irish on Saint Patrick's day. I think we actually disagree on that so, I imagine it would have been pretty exciting.
Do you realize how foolish you sound actually stooping to the level of calling me an idiot and saying I need psyciatric help and then crying that I stooped to personal attacks by saying your argument is a bunch of nonsense based on irrelevant semantics and technicalities, but I try to give you credit for them anyways.
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I actually lost a lot of respect for you on that one.
And, any linguistical scholar will tell you that words change over time. If 99% of people think it means one thing and 1% think it means the opposite, the 1% is wrong and they know it. (Hopefully)
Also, if we are playing that game, we'll go by 1c and you just undermined your own semantical argument about the definition of the word race with brutal effectiveness.
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You were doing so well right up till the end there.
Nice talking to you though.
@Ez-Bri-z @Lost-in-the-Woods
Can't we all get shit-faced on Guinness and get along?
The only problem I see is that the American government literally makes them water the Guinness down before they let it across the boarder.
That, actually is offensive to traditional Irish culture... But hey, we try not to complain. 🤣
Yeah nowadays tons of things are called cultural appropriation.
I don't agree. I call most of them cultural appreciation.
'Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery', they say. (Although it's usually said to appease someone who's just had someone stolen from them.)
Of course it isn't.
Anyone can wear their hair however they wish.
It is irrelevant if a clothing style or hair style was established in a certain region of the earth and primarily one ethnic group wore it. They don't "own" it. Anyone can wear anything or choose any style they want. It doesn't mean anything.
Only psychos and irrational people believe only one race is allowed to use X hair style and if anyone else wears it they've committed some crime.
Their fascist psychos. Tell them to kiss your ass and to mind their own freaking business.
Because you all literally steal everything from every race and pay no homage. You literally call us ghetto for having long braids and then turn around and wear our braids. Hannah's braids are seen as stylish to the white people but when latrice wears them the whole office calls her ghetto.
Bruh, nice generalizations. I agree that there are racist Karens who use the term ghetto like that, but I don't think they're the majority, and I don't think lashing out at everyone is the right choice. Personally, I agree that no one should be fired or discriminated against due to their hairstyle, so I think the answer is to call for support for black women who are losing their jobs or being discriminated against, instead of attacking all white people.
You? I ain’t white
Im dominican
I don't know either - genuinely, I use a lot of Japanese, Latin and Greek stuff regarding not only clothes. That's why we have globalisation, so you can do whatever you want if it doesn't hurt someone in any way. Wear what you want and have any style that suits you. After all, one example is a certain black samurai ;) He wore traditional armour and weaponry and he was viewed as their equal - in that era!
People are not tolerant, but that's okay - the only thing you have to do is to ignore them ;)
It's these SJWs and their 'cultural appropriation'. Which is just racial-segregation-with-extra-steps.
A multicultural society should allow anyone of any ethnicity to take an interest in someone elses culture. If someone gives you a hard time for having dreads, just call them the racists they are and ignore them.
Not to offend anyone but cultural appropriation doesn't offend me. I love seeing others celebrate Middle Eastern culture, coming from the Middle East myself. And it pisses me off when other girls say 'you can't belly dance you're not Middle Eastern' for example.
No, our culture is awesome and I'm glad you're enjoying it!
[This is my opinion, we dont have to agree]
There's a difference between appreciating culture and appropriating it.
Appreciation: Like if there's a festival and you put on ethnic attire and understand the significance it has.
Appropriation: taking an ethnic attire and claiming it as your own (and profiting off of it) and basically disregarding the people belonging to that culture.
Wearing certain pieces of ethnic clothing for Halloween or prom can be offensive because for POC its not a costume that they can take off. Its their lives and experiences.
The problem is:Non POC wear ethnic attire and not be descrimated against but POC are being marginalised. (Im not saying that non POC should be treated badly).
If a non POC can wear braids and be complimented then why should a POC wearing braids to school be expelled or not offered a job? Its messed up in my opinion.
I’m not black so I don’t have an “interpretive precedence”, but this is what I’ve learned from listening & reading on the matter:
It’s because white people don’t meet the same discrimination for it & it has no meaning to their cultural identity. While for black people they face discrimination when it is something important and not just “trendy”. It has a cultural value and serves a purpose (as a protective hairstyle).
I have a question on the matter. Is it ok for other people of colour with similar hair texture to wear it as a protective hairstyle while on the beach or on vacation? I’m middle-eastern arab with 3b curls and my hair gets extremely dry and tangled when I go swimming.
People’s get bent out of shape just because. Unfortunately people don’t talk to each other, yet they want to have each class or color of people that supposedly have this or that. Yet, history doesn’t mean that 1 person hasn’t done that earlier. Who cares. If you feel confident that is nice. Hang out with positive people, and try to stand tall with a group that advocates positive items in people’s and in life, or as a business. Negative is either what a person deals with at home or at school or doesn’t hang out with a nice crowd to help out with many of things. Homework, sports, money, book worm reading, being a positive buddy for each other. Even bike riding helps positivity. Lock up the bicycle, helmets do work.
You can wear whatever you want, it's only racist people who try to claim ownership over a hairstyle who say you can't, fuck those racists... Imagine if we told black people "hey you can't straighten your hair, that's ours, or "hey you can't eat Chinese food.. that belongs to China"
Like fuck off... You don't own anything, that means braids or dreads are not property of your race bitch, all cultures are allowed to copy and immitate each other, there's no rules... If you disagree you are a racist and a thief
Someone didn’t pass history class and it shows.
It really shouldn't be a problem at all and my eyes roll so hard whenever I hear someone complain about it. There's hardly any culture, technology, fashion in the world that hasn't had an influence somewhere else in the world. Not to mention some of those things coincidentally developing separate from each other. FYI, the ancient vikings wore dreads too.
Because people are hypocritical morons who just want to feel like they are talking from the moral highground and apply power this way.
This stuff is just ridiculous. Like, do we claim certain demographics can't wear jeans? Or use cars? Or even more basic use electricity? Of course not. Because it's ridiculous.
You're not too bright if you don't understand cultural appropriation.
Some people just don't want to see certain people utilise the symbols and styles of their race/culture.
Think of it like this, your abuser/rapist/mugger etc coming out wearing what makes you you. You wouldn't be happy in the least.
But of course. Not everyone goes for the cultural appropriation thing.
Both my daughters wanted that look when they came to Thailand " dreads " , my god its a big procedure. No big deal at all in my opinion , and nice to take on the attire of different cultures , get some odd looks? Who cares..
That's their problem..
Its a USA thing , stare back at em and tell em mind their business , the idea that you have to " look " a certain way ludicrous to the max.
It isn't... Cultural Appropriation isn't actually a thing in fact, culture is different than ethnicity so while they often do go hand in hand, you could convert to any culture you choose in reality
Or remain void of an identifying culture
It would be like me getting offended that POC are dressing up as vikings or in our traditional clothes
What’s your “traditional clothes”
Bunad and Wadmal are examples of clothes that are traditional to us that Tourists and foreigners like to dress up in
Not to mention wearing our cultural braids and hairstyles
Alright but how would you feel if they were trying to “act” like your people and making a complete mockery of your culture and to them it’s all just a game
They do... And I don't like it, but I don't care either fools will be fools
Than that’s cultural appropriation it does exist though I will admit that some people take it too far but it definitely exists
My thing about it is that the people complaining about it are the same people who push for a multicultural world...
Those people want people that actually join a culture, cultural appropriation is when someone that has no affiliation to a culture try’s to imitate it and it comes across as offensive
The vast majority of people who scream cultural appropriation in these kind of instances are not from the culture. They are a small but very loud group of people who always try to find more victims in order for them to be the saviors of those people. They are constantly trying to find and create victims and victim classes so that they can step in and be the night in shining armor.
As for the rest, I couldn't have said it better than @Lliam
It's about the history of hair styles and credit.
Many Black hairstyles, braids and locks included, were deemed unprofessional and or inappropriate for certain settings for years.
That isn't necessarily the case now but that is primarily due to many people fighting to make the styles professionally, and to a degree, socially accepted.
Those who are aware of said history take offense when other ethnicities, specifically white, dawn the styles which were once shunned.
I think people often take it too far but I do understand the frustration with dreads as it was a mocked and often even banned hairstyle important to black people specifically and now it's becoming trendy for white people without much recognition of the history behind it
I don’t see it as appreciating other cultures but rather if you like how something looks on you.. if anyone is discriminating or feeling offended or try to put someone else down for how they want to style then that person should refrain from doing anything any other person does or is a hypocrite.
Style yourself how you think you look nice and don’t care what others say. It’s mostly hypocritical people who do that anyway.
It's not a big deal. It is a fucking hairstyle at the end of the day and cannot be claimed by race or culture. It is just hair.
People are grasping at straws and looking for a reason to be mad at this point.
I don't see any problem with it. 🤷 But these crazy sjws all seem to believe that if you're not born and brought up within a certain culture you have no right to be interested in that culture. BS I say.
You weren’t raised with culture so you’re not going to know how it feels. You will never know how it is to be a person of color. I mean we’ve been complaining about this for years. There’s obviously a problem with it.
@Icecream457 Why wasn't she raised with culture?
Where do you come to that conclusion?
@xxvagabondman Her ignorant statement. She’s obviously privileged.
@Icecream457 In what way is she "privileged" ?
explain that to me
@xxvagabondman she’s white.
@Icecream457 Ah, so then you are a racist?
@xxvagabondman so I’m racist for saying the system was built to revolve around people like her and calling her out on her white privilege?
@Icecream457 You mean like how the Black community makes up over 50% of major crime in the USA
How you are allowed to make very racist statements, and avoid any sort of repercussions?
How processes like Affirmative Action has historically made certain the Black community had easier access to high level Universities?
ETC
that sort of privilege?
Yes, you are racist, for telling a white woman she has no culture.. because she is a white woman.
@Icecream457 So spare people of your nonsense.
You literally went through the comments to find a white woman to attack
told her she had no culture... and then wanna play victim when someone called you out on it
that is the definition of privilege.
@xxvagabondman African-American prisoners who were convicted of murder are about 50 percent more likely to be innocent than other convicted murderers. Not to mention a black male is more likely to receive more time with the same crime than a white male. The justice system is beyond corrupt who knows how many innocent black men are sitting in jail.
@xxvagabondman Also according to the FBI statistics. And another stat I found white men make up the arrests and crimes ojjdp. gov/ojstatbb/crime/
ucr. fbi. gov/crime-in-the-u. s
@Icecream457 and yet, blacks make up the majority of the murder rate in the USA (over 50%)?
Black on Black gun violence? routine in places like Chicago (and often not solved)
You speak about a very small minority of those arrested (and this includes Whites, Latinos, Asians.. etc)
Yet you are more than happy to ignore the large issues involved
Just as BLM is more than happy to mention the 200 to 300 Blacks killed every year by police (while ignoring the 600+ Whites) and openly ignoring that MOST of those were armed?
I am not fool that there are issues in the system that influence people, especially those in minority communities that are known for far higher crime rates.
None the less, you put so much emphasis in this
WHILE...
what?
attacking a white woman randomly on GAG?
pushing racism on her.. telling her that because she is white she has no culture?
@Icecream457 Yes, White men do make up the majority of arrests and crimes
They also make up the majority of the population
Please learn how to handle statistics.
Take a look at the rate of Black crime vs Population.
especially in regards to major crimes (like Robbery and Murder)
Blacks are disproportionately represented in nearly every type of crime
In some of these, they represent more than 50%
impressive for a population that is roughly 13%
@xxvagabondman I’m not attacking anyone. I’m keeping her aware of her privilege. You sound pretty butthurt lol.
@Icecream457 Actually if you paid attention to the FBI statistics
you would recognize that Blacks commit more murders each year than Whites
Take a look at Table 43, of the FBI Uniform Crime Report
FOR EXAMPLE in 2019
there were 7,964 Murder arrests
of which 4,078 were Black
and 3,650 were White
^ Then take into consideration the MANY unsolved murder cases that are notorious in Black neighborhoods.. and that Murder rate is far higher for the Black community
Yes, Blacks usually kill Blacks
and Whites usually kill Whites
and there's very little interracial murder (its a small portion)
However,
Blacks often KILL more Blacks in a year
than Whites kill Whites
and the White population is 5 times larger
If White people killed at the same rate as Blacks in 2019
there would have been 25,000 Murders in the White community
This is what i mean by understanding how statistics work
@Icecream457 Yes, indeed, there were cops killed by White men, just as there were White rioters killed by Cops.
Should we speak about those murdered during the BLM riots? including Police Officers? Even retired cops like Dorn?
@xxvagabondman Well then your dumbass wouldn’t be saying black people make up 50% of the crimes here when they don’t lol. Actually according to the FBI stats white men lead in burglary, assaults, and violent crimes etc.
@Icecream457
First, read my actually read what I said
"You mean like how the Black community makes up over 50% of major crime in the USA"
Secondly, as I stated in my previous reply in regards to lesser crimes.
"Blacks are disproportionately represented in nearly every type of crime
In some of these, they represent more than 50%"
a disproportionate percentage would include rates of 30%+
that would be 2x the Black population equivalent
While the White rates are actually on par with population size
Thirdly, Before accusing someone of being "butthurt"
maybe don't start with calling them a dumbass?
@xxvagabondman Funny thing is I never bought up murder not once. That’s one stat you found but looks like white people lead in everything else lol. Like I said every race killing each other over 80 percent of whites kill each other. Just as worst as blacks killing blacks lol.
@xxvagabondman What about the innocent people that were killed because of white terrorist? like Dylan roof. What about police brutality like with George Floyd.
@Icecream457 Well of course I brought it up. Crime is far more significant in Black communities than in White communities.
"just as worst as killing blacks"
You mean to say 13% of the population, making up over 4,000 of the murders in 2019
is just as bad as 60%+ of the population making up around 3,500 of the murders?
If you think that is equivalent
you really need to go back to school and learn statistics.
@Icecream457 And what about Police brutality like with... Justine Damond?
Or perhaps Jeremy Mardis?
Or perhaps Tony Timpa?
@xxvagabondman I never said they were equal. I said they are just as worst lol. 80.2% of white victims were killed by white offenders. 88.5% of Black victims were killed by Blacks. Those two stats are very close lol
@Icecream457 Haha, SURE
but its irrelevant
Because the Black Murder equivalent is 5x their population size.
Blacks often commit more murders in a year, than Whites
Even when we take a look at every other crime
Comparing the Black population (13%) with their crime rate...
Blacks have a rate 2x higher than their population nearly EVERY type of Crime
Whites on the other hand are for the most part
either underrepresented... . OR on par with their population size
@Icecream457 This is why the BLM type narratives simply don't work.
You have networks that will mischaracterize statistics
FOR EXAMPLE like how you are doing
attempting to compare White/White Crime with Black/Black Crime... showing that they are relatively equivalent?
ATTEMPTING to pass it off as if the Black and White community are similar...
EVERY TIME I argue this type of thing... that is the immediate response
and it matters very little in the Black and White Crime argument.
ALL RACES... commit most of their crime against themselves (Whites against whites.. blacks against blacks.. etc)
The issue is how common those crimes happen in comparison to each other.
Blacks are VERY disproportionate in the crime rate (especially in the worst types).
and in many cases, things go unreported (or unsolved.. something like 75% of murders in Chicago are unsolved)
MEANING, that even in comparison to the statistics I've provided.. the Black rate is likely much higher (considering it handles arrests)
75% unsolved rate.. in a city with 500 to 1,000 murders a year (most of them Black) is terrible.
It simply isn't the same in most White communities (once again, I highlight most)
@Icecream457 Just in the same way you literally start this argument with making a racist statement
You
1. claim that a woman "werent raised with culture" because she is White (Extremely racist, and showing of ignorance of the influence of White culture) <-- literally these types of arguments are mixed with how white people took over and influenced much of the world? It is one of the most ridiculous concepts to every exist.. . White culture is the default culture.
2. in by doing so you attempt to shut down her voice? making arguments like "you will never know what its like to be a poc" ... just as you will never know what its like to be a White woman?
^ Yet you want to play victim and act as if she is privileged
when you can attack a woman for her race... and assume there should be no repercussions?
Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds in a modern society
where YOU... have posted a question about attending University
where YOU... are among the most privileged people in the world? LITERALLY living a life that MOST people in the world are incapable of living (be it freedoms of speech... freedom to practice religion or none... ability to have your voice heard.. and CURRENTLY made the most dominate one... ability to attend university... ability to choose your destiny.. the list goes on and on.. and on... and on)
Yet you want to play victim?
@Icecream457 You seriously need some introspection
study up a bit on history (I promise you BLACKS are not the only ones to suffer)
.. racial structures of modern society... or compare and contrast much of the world vs the USA (indeed some nations outdo the USA in certain things)
actually attempt to compare statistics..
MAYBE attempt to study marxism.. and the history of communism? (considering many of these arguments come from a marxist leaning)
learn where that tends to lead. :P
etc
instead of just following the nonsensical arguments of raving lunatics.
where you think its totally okay to push racist statements against random white women
privilege in a nutshell
im not sure if she called you racist
but she did call you privileged because you are white
and ignorant.. etc
but then again, she might have implied you were racist
point is
you are white
so she had a problem with you
My thing with this cultural appropriation nonsense is that different cultures from all around the world have been borrowing ideas and practices from each other since the dawn of time. For example tattoos originated in different ancient cultures that had little to no interactions with each other. Ancient Egyptians, ancient Chinese, and Celtic tribes all started practicing tattooing independent of each other. Also what about foods that originate from different cultures? Is it racist or appropriation to go eat at the local Mexican or Indian restaurants? As long as someone ISN'T doing something with the INTENTION of being rude or offensive there shouldn't be a problem. With that said I do not think it's appropriate to wear garments that have a traditional or religious purpose for said culture unless you want to follow the traditions or religious practices yourself.
I agree
I think it's mainly because they feel that there's no cultural incentive to dress certain ways. And since there's no cultural incentive, it's all for fashion so they might be offended especially if it's traditional clothing.
I kinda compare it to an atheist celebrating religious holidays. An atheist doesn't have the same value for the holiday that the religious person would.
there's an island off of in the pacific called Melanesia. Its the third pacific nation. the other two are Micronesia and Polynesia. Melanesia (melanesians) have brown skin and blonde hair. Like literally everyone on that island was born with blonde hair. Its natural for them, they dont carez they have afros and theyre islanders. Why should anyone care if they have braided hairs and have a different skin complexion?
If it's just one other way of 'decorating' (or presenting?) oneself - I don't see where that's ''wrong''.
However - I have seen people who at the same time try to imitate or identify with someone or something that they not really are; or never CAN be.
That counts not only for using other culture's items, but also for ''trans-dressing'' and such.
It still does not offend me, but I find it silly in these cases.
1. Cultural appropriation is stupid
2. Most of who complain about it know little about the history of it anyways...
For example, Dreads are not specifically an African cultural thing.. MANY European tribes had the same hairstyle... OR some East Asian groups did the same thing... So What?
3. Most who complain about this, and claim their culture is being "appropriated" tend to be racist themselves.
Yes, but we get discriminated against for having dreads and braids. And when a person has it it’s trendy.
@Icecream457 Not really, considering lots of comments in here include people who state a White woman shouldn't have it.
Not to mention discrimination tends to go around regardless
especially if you are trying to wear unprofessional wear in a professional setting.
Well for the hair it's not a big deal.
As for traditional clothes I'm not sure how I feel about it. Cause if you're like in India then wearing a sari wouldn't be too weird.
But if you're wearing it in the USA my question is why? Is it a fashion thing?
My best friend who’s white wears box braids and twist all the time now she actually asked me how I felt about it and if she does get it would it be disrespectful. I told her absolutely not. She also has lip fillers and stuff it’s on her and how confident she is I mean if she wants to who am I to be like no. Get it. I told her she’ll probably get stares sometimes but F them.
What does being white have to do with anything? Listen if white girls are sporting (dreds) and Mexican boys a Got (jerry curls) and Asians start having (mo hawks) if you happen to be one of the three I mentioned why in the fuck would you care if someone was giving you shit for it? Be like me and tell anybody who says anything about it to fuck off and mine there own bullshit.
I really haven't heard of Indian or Asian saying that.. not even African or Jamaican. It's really the Americans. Everyone else sees it as appreciation unless it's done in a tasteless or offensive manner
Indians always "appreciate" when a person of different culture wears their clothes or try to speak Hindi. You're absolutely right. It's probably just American thing to take offense over this.
I don't know if that's you in that picture or not. The dreads do look cute on you. Call this a wishy-washy type of response to this, but if you want to wear dreads, go ahead. Regardless of what race you are, if you want to wear them, go ahead. It's up to you. It shouldn't be a big deal of any kind. It's your free will.
Well if they are so offended try making African American girls stop buying straight weaves and wigs? it's the same thing nothing different?
This is literally my reaponse everytime I see such a moron. "Aight so that's fine, whites can't wear dreads but that means that blacks can't wear french braids or French ponytail or any European/nonblack hairstyle."
Black women can have natural straight hair and natural blonde hair. You definitely tried it lol
Doesn't change that many black women straighten their hair or wear straight wigs.
i love when people do that shit, it's a sign of appreciation. as long as you don't be disrespectful in doing so.
I don't understand the whole "cultural appropriation" bs with hairstyles, dreds in particular. So which culture am I appropriating from, Hindu, Jewish, viking, native American, Egyptian, Rastafarian? They've all had some form of dreadlocks as hairstyles at some point in history.
It's usually a big deal because white people are usually praised more for doing things created by black people. Elvis is one of history's prime examples. I say as long as respect towards the culture that you grabbed it from is being given back, then it's ok.
Its not a big deal. Ignore those people, their need to be right about cultural appropriation would drive you crazy. You can't argue with crazy
Personally, the problem with white people getting dreadlocks is the fact that our hair can't naturally hold the look & requires a shit ton of chemicals to achieve, which weakens our hair.
Because non whites are fucking cry babies.
They milk double standards. To them, white people are automatically evil so everything that we do and say is taken to the extreme.
I wish America would have stayed white, but we didn't send the non whites back.
we also didn't "steal" the land, we fought for it and won. But they always want to cry about shit
Umm.
@Icecream457 yeah, I said it.
get the fuck over it.
People who get offended by something so trivial will get offended by anything, and therefore do not merit any response other than to laugh them out of the room.
As a white girl myself, I personally think it’s ugly when white girls wear dreads. I think it’s equivalent to a white guy wanting waves in his hair.
Oh no, they're embracing a culture that isn't from their ancestral race, GET 'EM! wait... isn't this the same kind of logic that led us to frowning on mixed race couples?
Cultural appropriation is a BS excuse for people to be arrogant little bitches, and arrogance is a form of stupidity.
Here are some examples of cultural appropriation. A black person driving a car. An Asian flying in an airplane. An Indian using penicillin.
Cultural appropriation is an outrage tool for tools.
Nah.. It's not a big deal for us. We like it like any other woman wearing a sari.
You probably want to try a patiala Shahi suit
Oh yes.. Finally a good question from you...
Lmao you’re so mean
No I'm just bluntly honest 🤣
Do try Patiala Shahi suit, I think you'll look good in it.
I like the sari more because I don’t like the pants I’m short so I would probably look wide af lol
Nah... I disagree... Once you try, your assumptions will change. Anyway. 🥂
It looks comfy though
So do indian people think it's ok for white women to wear indian dress?
Yea...
Honestly it's dumb people act like braids and dreads are only for one race or another at this point it's all so tiring
Because most of the white girls I’ve seen with box braids, have a black boyfriend and automatically assumes that it makes them black and they try to act black and it’s cringey and annoying
Because idiotic worthless leftists feel like its some how racist to embrace another cultures way of dressing and doing here. Idiots like that are best not listened to and ignored.
The same idiots that do that unknowingly copy from other races... Let's say a black woman tells you off for having dreads... Meanwhile she has straight hair... OH YEAH, STRAIGHT HAIR BITCH?
THATS A WHITE PERSON THING... STOP STEALING FROM WHITE CILTURE
TUCKING IN YOUR PANTS AND HAVING A TIE?
THATS WHITE, U can't DO THAT
@Fuglyskank um black people can have natural straight hair.
I did not know that.
I am glad this doesn't offend you. Hair style and hair alone is a big freedom and can help really shape your look. Wear any hair style you want.
It's not cultural appropriation. It's cultural appreciation.
How do you feel when you see some dark-complected African Princess
who's dyed her hair blonde and had it straightened?
'Striking' isn't it?
And, not necessarily in a FLATTERING way~
You see this is not the same because you have to understand that particularly in North America people people who were born very light skinned would go to Great Lengths to pass for white. Why because this mean't that you actually had access to a justice and normal human opportunities in the society. So black people using blond and trying to chase a eurocentric beauty ideal is totally different because the Power Balance is very different so you can't just flip it and say well it's the same thing because it really really is not. There's a whole very very deep socio-economic sociological and systemic history to this.
Thats your subjective view (eventhough i dont think you need to bring a group of people down to make your point). Dark completed people have different hair textures and colors, including blonde. Search: melanesian people. Of course certain phenotypes are more common in certain races.
**complected lol
Im talking about TheorionMage's comment
@anonnonaaa Oh okay cool because I'm like who is going to deny this. Personally as a black woman I think that a lot of black women that choose blond tones that are not flattering for their skin tight. There are some blond tones that can look good on very dark skinned diasporic and African women but the straw blond tone is just not it. But this is just from a purely style point of view.
@Coulis i agree with you... i should've "@" him lol.
It's all about context mate, if someone does something with no intention to condemn what they are imitating but instead to celebrate it, then that's done with the best intentions and shouldn't be condemned lol
Imagine for a second that you are racist. (Not saying you are, but just imagine you were)
Not imagine sitting at home trying to think of a way to hurt Muslims.
And settling on, going out to spend money to buy a turban and make yourself look like a Muslim. Just walking around with it on, living your daily life. Wearing it everywhere you go.
Why the fuck would anyone do that? Nobody does that. That isn't anything like an attack.
It's like if I hated dogs, so I decided to always walk on all fours and dress up in a dog costume. Imagine being at the dog park and walkinga guy pretending to be a dog, and you ask him "why are you doing this"
And he just looks you in the eye and says "because dogs are worse than people"
You'd think he was absolutely bat shit crazy, because that doesn't make any sense at all.
Nobody goes out and gets dreadlocks to try to belittle people with dreadlocks. That literally doesn't even make sense. 🤦🏼♂️
*walking up to. Not walkinga
Don't walk crazy guys dressed as dogs because they hate dogs. Just back away slowly and live your own life.
@Lost_in_the_Woods No offence but I lost you when the first line of the answer was "Imagine for a second that you are racist. (Not saying you are, but just imagine you were)" ... well that's not how my brain is wired. That makes everything else you say irrelevant (as well as the fact you think predominantly Muslims wear turbans?) ... I don't think you''re educated enough to try and preach to me mate, just saying! All the best.
I think you admit yourself that you don't have the mental capacity to even imagine what it's like to be anyone else.
Honestly, I'd rather be racist than unable to see past my own nose, because at least racists can learn and improve over time.
My point is simply that, you don't seem to understand how what you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Try looking at it from a different perspective.
But I agree, you lack the capacity to do that.
Many Muslims wear turbans.
It has more to do with living in the desert than anything else. But, Feel free to read this article and educate yourself on some of the religious reasons too.
www.alislam.org/question/muslim-men-beards-turbans
No offense, but I don't think you are educated enough to try to debate much of anything.
You say it's fine to do things to celebrate other cultures.
My point is that racists don't usually dress up to try to look more like the races they don't like.
It's common sense, but I understand not everybody had that.
@Lost_in_the_Woods I'd put my academic qualifications against yours any day of the week and I'm confidant I'd come out on top. But hey I've lived my life believing skin permutation is irrelevant, you've clearly lived your life differently. It doesen't mean either off us are right but I'm glad I'm Me rather than you.
Dude, you just said I was uneducated because you thought Muslims didn't wear turbins.
You could have spent your whole life in school for all I care. You clearly don't know shit.
But I posted an article about it to make it easy on you.
You are the one supporting the idea that people with certain skin colors aren't allowed to have certain hairstyles.
I am the one saying that everyone should be able to choose their own hairstyle.
I actually believe skin pigmentation is irrelevant. You clearly don't.
And you clearly aren't any sort of scientist or scholar because you don't know the difference between pigmentation and permutation.
You should probably leave your educational qualifications out of it. 🤣😂🤣🤪🤦🏼♂️
Skin permutation actually brings up a really good point though.
Are black people with Vitiligo allowed to wear dreadlocks? Or do they have to cut them off to avoid becoming racist?
Here's a dictionary for reference: Because you clearly need it.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/permutation
@Lost_in_the_Woods You started a conversation with someone you've never met/someone you didn't ask the question to, with the first line "Imagine for a second that you are racist. (Not saying you are, but just imagine you were)" I know who I am, I know the money I've contributed to race causes. If you want to accuse me again of being racist we can settle this legally, there may be people who are racist on here and I'll defend that point through the courts if anyone suggests otherwise lol
I didn't accuse you of anything.
But shit, you're the boss.
@AndrewMH is racist. And stupid as fuck. And he thinks he's gonna sue me for it. x'D
What a twat. He doesn't know anything, he doesn't know the meaning of the words he is using. Thinks he is a genius, but proves he is the biggest numbskull on the internet.
You'd have to know my name and address to sue me, and you'd have to prove financial damages to win a cent, even if I didn't bother to show up and claim free speech.
Your feelings are hurt because I could wipe my ass with a newspaper and it would be worth more than your degree. 🤣😂🤣😂
Imagine if a court actually set a legal precedent for "He called me racist and I want money for it"
Every woke ass libtard would would go broke overnight.
I didn't call you racist (until you thretened me)
I called you and idiot who was mentally incapable of seeing anyone's perspective other than your own, and literally didn't know the meaning of your own words.
You know I'm right about all of that. That's why you resorted to totally childish and meaningless threats.
I've actually sued people and won. I'm gonna take it you have no idea what a lawsuit actually entails so I'm going to recommend you start by hiring a lawyer. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Good luck pal. You really crack me up.
You have no idea who you are talking to.
I on the other hand, know that I'm talking to someone who is completely incompetent and doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.
That gave me the upper hand from the start. 🤷🏼♂️
But hey, Just because I actually did want you to understand my point...
You couldn't imagine being racist if you already were. I never thought you were racist.
The point I was trying to help you understand was that, RACISTS DON'T TRY TO BE LIKE THE PEOPLE THEY HATE.
When was the last time you saw a KKK member try to look black? They don't do that. They actually hate black people.
It's like if you saw a guy walking down the street wearing a Redskins Jersey and you ran at him shouting about how he was opresing the Redskins because he wasn't actually on the team, so he must just be imitating them to try to belittle their culture.
That doesn't make any sense. Unless you are totally fucking deranged. 🤪
It's like... my house plants have more common sense than this guy, and I don't even have any houseplants. xD
But I've had a rough week. I appreciate the opportunity to really let lose on somebody and feel like I'm doing a public service. I usually try to be polite and avoid hurting peoples feelings but, I'm pretty sure you can't even read so,
I figure no harm no foul. 😘
People identify with cultural practices that make them unique. Its a way of being seen, respected, and different. They are afraid of losing what they feel is part of themselves.
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