So clearly... A lot of this stuff DOES matter if I do exist. My existence proves that you don't have to be tall. That's the point here. And attractiveness varies from person to person.
It might have been a tough road, but at a young 27 it won't get better if you've already become like that. It CAN get better if you ditch the self-pity not trying to be rude, just genuine advice
@Cheetah23 You know I'm realizing why guys self-pity online (me being one, but not here I agree with this take gif the most part). Men ruminate too much and become blind to reality. They take what they read more seriously than life experience, so you get people that are deluded and need disillusionment. Women's biggest mistake is failing to disillusion deluded men. Being dismissive doesn't work- you have to show them the light so they can see fir themselves.
@Robertcw I can agree with this for the most part. But ofc there are those who are shown the light yet still don't believe nin themselves enough or are too cowardly to try to take the helping hand. But that's both men and women, not at all just men.
@Cheetah23 Yes, but cowardly is again a very rude way to speak about them. Did something happen to you to make you so bitter against ordinary guys?
It might also be well the case that a lot of makes are actually agender and do not fully conform to masculine gender steroetypes and don necesssrily want to -- all without wanting to appear or act as women. They walk around and look like everyone else, but might not be down with aggression or whatever other masculine trait.
@Robertcw... Where, just where, did you see me saying about "ordinary" guys? Never, not once, did I say (nor do I believe) the guys im talking about are ordinary. Most men do not behave likr they reject the world and any helo that is offered to them. If that's normal to you, are you saying you are that way? Genuine question, is that why you're acting so defensive here? I love all my friends, male or female, as do I love my boyfriend, so you can relax now and understand NO ONE is targeting you here. Did something happen to YOU that you're assuming one criticism of a specific type of person means the criticism somehow related to you? Where is your insecurity coming from?
@Cheetah23 I guess I’m just assuming ordinary guys are the ones with the problems.
Most dudes have trouble. I think it’s like for the average woman, she sleeps with around 20% of men and 80% or so are left out entirely.
If they are 80% then being a majority it makes sense to call them average or regular.
Unless it’s wrong to think that only 20% of guys are in relationships or having some kind of sexual relationship. I don’t know if it’s true or not but that’s the impression I got.
Personally I wouldn’t know because I’m screwed up from multiple childhood traumas. I don’t really date. I’m not insecure about height and think I look okay, but I don’t disagree that in reality taller guys actually do have it easier.
It wouldn’t surprise me. I simply sympathize with guys who are sort of exiled into their own company.
@Cheetah23 Maybe the stats are wrong, I don’t know. All I know is I don’t know what I don’t know, I’m going on my best understanding at the moment.
@Robertcw What I know is that you tend (or used to, since you're saying you don't date anymore) to want the women who have high expectations. Therefore you had high expectations. High expectations is the mother of disappointment. If you choose to stay single, and live your life to the fullest on your own, fhat's fine, there's no shame in that! But to whine and be bitter about it, there is shame in THAT (I'm not saying YOU are doing bthis, I'm saying this for anyone in general).
As for the 80% of men being in relationships, okay thank you for not trying to say this arrogantly. I understand you mean this from your perspective. I can't tell you the exact number, cause who knows how accurate statistics are, but if you Google "how many people were single in 2018?" you should get a rough number, somewhere around 45% (again, not exactly, please do check yourself). So that's half the population (of I'm guessing America- I didn't research it deeply) including both men and women. I hope this helps
@Cheetah23 🤔. What gives you the impression I go for girls with high expectations? That’s something I’ve never heard before and am curious how that was taken out of what I said or been saying.
You might be right, I never thought about that before.
@Cheetah23 Also, those statistics were meant to apply for sexual experiences outside of committed relationships. The idea is that of all available men, 20% regularly sleep with 80% of all available women.
The remaining 80% of all men rarely have any sexual experiences outside of a committed relationship. Going anywhere from a few months to a few years between sexual encounters.
Ultimately, they cannot simply go out Friday night when horny and be confident that it will result in having sex with someone they met. Women, on the other hand, can be pretty confident in doing this, and they can be pretty sure that it’s with a guy they find highly attractive.
There’s a certain privilege here that women posses over men that’s undeniable.
@Cheetah23 It seems to me that when women feel the desire to settle down they may either choose one of the 20% if they prefer the bully mindset, or they may choose one of the 80% if they prefer a more nurturing guy. This might all be wrong, but this is what I was thinking.
Clearly it’s impossible for 80% of men to be single if more than 20% of women are in relationships.
@Robertcw Just think over the women you've sought after. I cannot tell you factually who you have and have not liked, but many times a person crushes over the wrong people first and don't see who and what really matters.
@Robertcw No... "Not single" statistics do NOT refer to non-committal relationships. If you're not single it means you're in more than a sexual relationship
@Robertcw You need to look out of your surroundings, your society, environment, take a good look at yourself, many things could be the reason why to YOU it's 20-80%. This is not the case for others.
@Cheetah23 The stats aren't for not-singles. The stats were done on single males and females rating users on okcupid's attractiveness. They found the women rated 20% as attractive or very attractive and 80% as unattractive. The men rated about 25% as very attractive, 50% as attractive and 25% as unattractive.
The difference is the male distribution is an even spread that makes a bell curve. The female distribution is way skewed to the left.
The study was done on singles only, and the results are often interpreted as describing the casual sex outside of relationships dynamic.
@Cheetah23 Yeah probably. For relationships it makes sense to have it about 50/50 split. However, it gets messsed up real fast for casual encounters. Considering the average woman has more partners than the average man, then factor in that 20% of men have 4x as many partners as the average woman and it starts to paint a bleak picture for men. These guys are sleeping with 80% of all women with around 8x as many partners as the average man.
It means most girls in a circle are all sleeping with the same few guys, while all the others are essentially lamposts.
@Cheetah23 not sure if able to trust you on that... but okie 😆.
I made a poll asking for honest opinions of how often girls do casual sex and it came out 22 said never, 4 said often, 4 said occasionally and 1 said very rarely.
It seemed legit I chose a best opinion and then done anonymous girl comes in and calls bullshit on all the responders about lying saying they were all full of crap. So now I’m even more confused than I was in the beginning.
@Robertcw If it comes 22 said never (the majority), they have NO reason to lie on an anonymous poll. The one girl who said they're lying is most likely a bitter slut who's so insecure about how she cheats on other men that she feels the need to tear every other chick, who's actuallyy better than that, down. Sluts don't feel good about themselves, who else would literally call anonymous people ALL liars?
You gotta account for the fact that many women have been raised to prefer sex after marriage or wait for the romantic "one" due to cheesy romcoms and/or religion. Of course most women want commitment over casual sex
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This post makes me happy that I am not straight, lol
You just tip your fedora real hard, that's all you need to do.
Decent list but of course all the dudes in all the pics you posted are all objectively attractive guys. That's probably a bigger deal.
Be hot (as most most of the guys in the pics that OP posted)
If you are not tall and attractive, none of this will matter in the slightest.
My boyfriend is 5'5. So..
Self-pity ain't a good look
@Cheetah23 Yeah? Well your'e a very rare breed and most girls are not like you.
I didn't used to have a lot of self pity, but my life experiences have lead me to where I am.
So clearly... A lot of this stuff DOES matter if I do exist. My existence proves that you don't have to be tall. That's the point here. And attractiveness varies from person to person.
It might have been a tough road, but at a young 27 it won't get better if you've already become like that. It CAN get better if you ditch the self-pity not trying to be rude, just genuine advice
@Cheetah23 don’t misead my brother he should go his own way
@TheUglyMan Don't "misead" him? What?
@Cheetah23 You know I'm realizing why guys self-pity online (me being one, but not here I agree with this take gif the most part). Men ruminate too much and become blind to reality. They take what they read more seriously than life experience, so you get people that are deluded and need disillusionment. Women's biggest mistake is failing to disillusion deluded men. Being dismissive doesn't work- you have to show them the light so they can see fir themselves.
@Robertcw I can agree with this for the most part. But ofc there are those who are shown the light yet still don't believe nin themselves enough or are too cowardly to try to take the helping hand. But that's both men and women, not at all just men.
@Cheetah23 Yes, but cowardly is again a very rude way to speak about them. Did something happen to you to make you so bitter against ordinary guys?
It might also be well the case that a lot of makes are actually agender and do not fully conform to masculine gender steroetypes and don necesssrily want to -- all without wanting to appear or act as women. They walk around and look like everyone else, but might not be down with aggression or whatever other masculine trait.
@Robertcw... Where, just where, did you see me saying about "ordinary" guys? Never, not once, did I say (nor do I believe) the guys im talking about are ordinary. Most men do not behave likr they reject the world and any helo that is offered to them. If that's normal to you, are you saying you are that way? Genuine question, is that why you're acting so defensive here? I love all my friends, male or female, as do I love my boyfriend, so you can relax now and understand NO ONE is targeting you here. Did something happen to YOU that you're assuming one criticism of a specific type of person means the criticism somehow related to you? Where is your insecurity coming from?
@Cheetah23 the point is red pill and mgtow is finally helping men realise how the dating world works
@TheUglyMan Not my point, nor his. It was yours.
@Cheetah23 I guess I’m just assuming ordinary guys are the ones with the problems.
Most dudes have trouble. I think it’s like for the average woman, she sleeps with around 20% of men and 80% or so are left out entirely.
If they are 80% then being a majority it makes sense to call them average or regular.
Unless it’s wrong to think that only 20% of guys are in relationships or having some kind of sexual relationship. I don’t know if it’s true or not but that’s the impression I got.
Personally I wouldn’t know because I’m screwed up from multiple childhood traumas. I don’t really date. I’m not insecure about height and think I look okay, but I don’t disagree that in reality taller guys actually do have it easier.
It wouldn’t surprise me. I simply sympathize with guys who are sort of exiled into their own company.
@Cheetah23 Maybe the stats are wrong, I don’t know. All I know is I don’t know what I don’t know, I’m going on my best understanding at the moment.
@Robertcw What I know is that you tend (or used to, since you're saying you don't date anymore) to want the women who have high expectations. Therefore you had high expectations. High expectations is the mother of disappointment. If you choose to stay single, and live your life to the fullest on your own, fhat's fine, there's no shame in that! But to whine and be bitter about it, there is shame in THAT (I'm not saying YOU are doing bthis, I'm saying this for anyone in general).
As for the 80% of men being in relationships, okay thank you for not trying to say this arrogantly. I understand you mean this from your perspective. I can't tell you the exact number, cause who knows how accurate statistics are, but if you Google "how many people were single in 2018?" you should get a rough number, somewhere around 45% (again, not exactly, please do check yourself). So that's half the population (of I'm guessing America- I didn't research it deeply) including both men and women. I hope this helps
****ALMOST half the population who are single
@Cheetah23 🤔. What gives you the impression I go for girls with high expectations? That’s something I’ve never heard before and am curious how that was taken out of what I said or been saying.
You might be right, I never thought about that before.
@Cheetah23 Also, those statistics were meant to apply for sexual experiences outside of committed relationships. The idea is that of all available men, 20% regularly sleep with 80% of all available women.
The remaining 80% of all men rarely have any sexual experiences outside of a committed relationship. Going anywhere from a few months to a few years between sexual encounters.
Ultimately, they cannot simply go out Friday night when horny and be confident that it will result in having sex with someone they met. Women, on the other hand, can be pretty confident in doing this, and they can be pretty sure that it’s with a guy they find highly attractive.
There’s a certain privilege here that women posses over men that’s undeniable.
@Cheetah23 It seems to me that when women feel the desire to settle down they may either choose one of the 20% if they prefer the bully mindset, or they may choose one of the 80% if they prefer a more nurturing guy. This might all be wrong, but this is what I was thinking.
Clearly it’s impossible for 80% of men to be single if more than 20% of women are in relationships.
@Robertcw Just think over the women you've sought after. I cannot tell you factually who you have and have not liked, but many times a person crushes over the wrong people first and don't see who and what really matters.
@Robertcw No... "Not single" statistics do NOT refer to non-committal relationships. If you're not single it means you're in more than a sexual relationship
@Robertcw You need to look out of your surroundings, your society, environment, take a good look at yourself,
many things could be the reason why to YOU it's 20-80%. This is not the case for others.
@Cheetah23 The stats aren't for not-singles. The stats were done on single males and females rating users on okcupid's attractiveness. They found the women rated 20% as attractive or very attractive and 80% as unattractive. The men rated about 25% as very attractive, 50% as attractive and 25% as unattractive.
The difference is the male distribution is an even spread that makes a bell curve. The female distribution is way skewed to the left.
The study was done on singles only, and the results are often interpreted as describing the casual sex outside of relationships dynamic.
@Robertcw OkCupid? Ahhh I think we looked at different results hahah.
@Cheetah23 Yeah probably. For relationships it makes sense to have it about 50/50 split. However, it gets messsed up real fast for casual encounters. Considering the average woman has more partners than the average man, then factor in that 20% of men have 4x as many partners as the average woman and it starts to paint a bleak picture for men. These guys are sleeping with 80% of all women with around 8x as many partners as the average man.
It means most girls in a circle are all sleeping with the same few guys, while all the others are essentially lamposts.
@Robertcw see, I don't do "casual" relationships, I do committed ones, so I wouldn't know haaha
@Cheetah23 not sure if able to trust you on that... but okie 😆.
I made a poll asking for honest opinions of how often girls do casual sex and it came out 22 said never, 4 said often, 4 said occasionally and 1 said very rarely.
It seemed legit I chose a best opinion and then done anonymous girl comes in and calls bullshit on all the responders about lying saying they were all full of crap. So now I’m even more confused than I was in the beginning.
@Robertcw If it comes 22 said never (the majority), they have NO reason to lie on an anonymous poll. The one girl who said they're lying is most likely a bitter slut who's so insecure about how she cheats on other men that she feels the need to tear every other chick, who's actuallyy better than that, down.
Sluts don't feel good about themselves, who else would literally call anonymous people ALL liars?
You gotta account for the fact that many women have been raised to prefer sex after marriage or wait for the romantic "one" due to cheesy romcoms and/or religion. Of course most women want commitment over casual sex
Yeap. Can not complain on that ;)
😊 lol
I like what you did here. :)
Thanks 😊
Disagree with chivalry.
That one is outdated.
In a world full of white knights and orbiters, chivalry has no value.
Good take.. And nice pictures!
Thanks 😊
be born attractive lol
don't over complicate it
lol some men are still blue pilled
Whatever work for you. I am just myself and have no problems attracting women whom I like and who like me.
Reading through the GAG ladies answers looks like you got it dead on from their perspective, so good job.
Step 1: Get rich.
Step 2: Get high social status.
Step 3: Get a six pack.
/end of topic
I'm generally a fan of the belief that men go through growth more than women do
I am all of these,...& I'm still not their type. Can you explain that?
Good take. And awesome pics😍
Hahahahah 😂 thank you
Your welcome😇
soo goood - you got it right :)
Woooow you already know what i like 😍😄
Every guy here should read this <3 <3 <3
Argh, too much work lol. I'd rather be myself
who ever said it was gonna be easy? Modern times have made us lazy.
@Xavier10 nobody said it was easy. I just can't be bothered.
Next to that, I'm not interested in most of the stuff listed lol
I have done this stuff and it dosent get me anywhere