Would you say that guys focus more on visual flirting / are more easily attracted by a girl's looks and appearance?
+1 yYes, clearly! My mother told me something her mother told her: For men foreplay begins with the first kiss, for women it begins on the drive to the restaurant! Of course we like a good looking guy as much as guys like a good looking girl. I think the difference lies in the fact that if she says something that is anathema to everything he stands for, he’ll still likely sleep with her if given the opportunity, but if HE says anything anathema to everything she stands for, she will absolutely not sleep with him, and would likely end the date at that point! That does not make women “better” than men, it just makes us different! OBVIOUSLY there will be some men out there who will disagree, claiming to their dying breath that THEY are just as visual or non visual as any woman, and they could be 100% right, they really are. But I don’t think you asked for exceptions, I think you asked for the rule, and given that female prostitutes service mens sexual needs, but male prostitutes… well, they also service mens sexual needs, and that porn is overwhelmingly consumed by men, and that most women only watch porn when their boyfriends/husbands suggest it, BUT romance novels are nearly exclusively consumed by women says a LOT! And for those men out there who claim that “evolutionary biology” dictates that women are every bit as visual as men… Have you even MET a woman, sir? Evolutionary biology makes male birds brightly colored to attract a mate, and makes adult human males big and strong to protect their mate and offspring. Evolutionary biology does nothing BUT point out the DIFFERENCES between males and females of different species! Why do you think that women basically “paint” our faces, stuff “chicken cutlets” in our bras to make our breasts look bigger, or wear underwear with silicone padding in the hips and buttocks to make THEM look bigger (I swear it was a friend who did that). We do all that to attract a mate, because human males are more objectively attracted, while females are more subjectively attracted, that’s it! We are just different, and there is NOTHING wrong with the fact that we are different to one another!
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Brilliant comment. And from the mind of a 20 year old? More than impressive.
I will add one thing...
"... BUT romance novels are nearly exclusively consumed by women says a LOT!"
As does that porn is nearly exclusively consumed by men. - +1 y
@RingOfFire Yes, I completely agree about the porn. Although I believe I may have written that right before the romance novel thing.
Thank you so much, I TRULY appreciate your extremely generous compliment. You have no idea how much something like that means infinitely more to me than say compliments on my appearance, which I had nothing to do with. I was actually pleasantly surprised by the complete absence of any condemnation from either the Incel’s and MRA types, who I agree with on some points, but for some reason believe that if any differences are observed between men and women BY a woman, it is automatically us saying that is somehow better than men! Nothing could be further from the truth. I am well aware of the many difficulties an challenges faced by men in our society, and I sympathize I truly do. But as I’m sure you agree, pointing out that two things are different is not the same as asserting that one of those things is better than the other.
I love men, and I love the differences between men and women. Those differences are why we fit together as a married couple, or especially as parents so well.
Again, I sincerely thank you, Laura. - +1 y
Don't know what else to say Laura other than you impress me more than any other commenter on the site. What a truly deep mind. It's beautiful. And I especially enjoyed your perspective on the value of the differences between men and women in the last part of your comment. A perspective that sadly seems so rare in your generation.
"Although I believe I may have written that right before the romance novel thing."
My apologies... yes, you did say it. I missed that part while reading in haste. - +1 y
One other comment if it's not too much...
"But as I’m sure you agree, pointing out that two things are different is not the same as asserting that one of those things is better than the other."
Some additional perspective on this that comes with my advanced age...
Several decades ago, there began a cultural (and undoubtedly political) movement to blur the lines of distinction between the concepts of "equality" and "sameness." The war against obvious gender differences rages still today and they are still using the same old tired argument that different must mean unequal. Try as they may to make that case, gender differences remain a biological reality and some of us are very thankful for that for without it human life would not only cease to exist, but even if it didn't we would wish it would. Vive la différence! - +1 y
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@RingOfFire First let me to gush if I may. What you wrote is seriously one of the nicest things that anyone has ever said to me the entire time I’ve been on social media! I guess I owe it all to my parents, they not only gave me my IQ, but they nurtured in me a love of learning, as well as trying to see the world from someone else’s POV before “judging” them. So when it comes to things like the MRA guys, instead of JUST calling them misogynists, I looked into it. I learned of the sentencing discrepancies between men and women for the literal same crime! And that men DO get screwed in divorce courts. Also if both parents are equally qualified physically, morally, & ethically why do the mothers almost always get primary residential custody? If things were remotely equal, one would expect numbers close to 50/50, but it’s not even close! Yet when I agree with them and all they do is berate me… That’s when I just write “Ohhhh, okay so you’re just a misogynist then?”
As for the equality Vs sameness… I’ve not heard of that one, it may‘ve been before my time. I am aware of equality Vs equity, and THAT is something that I am not in favor of. It too has an element of “if the outcomes are unequal, the cause must be nefarious”. While that may be true at times, the vast majority of the time, there are far more nuanced reasons for any seeming inequity!
As for differences between the sexes, I like “Vivre la Différence”, but I prefer “Aimer les Différences”, or LOVE the differences. Yet another thing I learned from my parents. They’ve been married over 20yrs, they knew each other for 3mos before they were married, and for most of that time, they only saw each other two days a week, and they have NOTHING in common except high intelligence, work ethic, and a shared love, and my mom doesn't mind Sci-fi every now and then! Yet after all this time, they are still madly in love, they act like newlyweds, they’re best friends, and they hate being apart for even a day! - +1 y
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What my parents DO have is an unapologetic love for the differences between them, and an utter admiration of those differences. I’ve never seen two people truly admire the other b/c they know or can do something the other cannot, the way my parents do. Now while I would never want to be raised by either one of them on their own, they’re not only both nerds, but I don’t know how they functioned before they met, one is almost useless w/o the other at home. However combined, they are absolute perfection in parenting! So everything I am and I have I owe, at least in part, to my amazing mom and dad! That’s not to say that I haven’t worked hard, I have, but everything I have, including knowledge and thought processes, was built on the solid foundation that they gave me. people say that I’m privileged b/c I came from a family with money, and I am, but with my parents, even if we were broke I am convinced that I would still be right where I am today! But I wanted to reiterate that you have truly made my week, your words did something that few words written online can do these days, you made me smile. You are, at least from initial impressions, a true gentleman, and I thank you for that too. I do hope we can stay in touch, please feel free to follow me, and I shall do the same. You also have an open invitation to DM me if you want. Again, I thank you, take care, and a very, very happy holidays. - +1 y
What a breath of fresh air to encounter a mind like yours Laura in such a vapid world. My faith in humanity is restored! And happy holidays to you and yours as well.
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@_Soren_ You loose any argument as soon as you say “Because God…” Which God would THAT be anyway? Given that there are more than 200,000 Gods and Goddesses in the Hindu religion, and Buddhists don’t have ANY! The ancient Greeks had about 3000 Gods, for WAY longer than 2000yrs As for porn’s marked availability being lesser for women… Why, do women not have access to the interned? Or could it be that there is WAY less porn targeted to women, and the reason that certain porn IS targeted to women, is because WOMEN AND MEN ARE DIFFERENT IN WHAT AROUSES US?
Now, let me be clear. Whatever you write… Im NOT answering! This is from OVER a month ago, and we've all moved on Honey Boo Boo. You should do the same! - +1 y
Tell it girl! 👍
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@RingOfFire Thanks 🙏🏼. However I did something I rarely do… I BLOCKED him! I almost NEVER block anyone, but this guy was a brand new Xper1 who created that account yesterday, and was doing NOTHING but trolling people, so I’m willing to bet he WILL be back with a new name very soon! So Sad!
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@_Sorent_ Why does a difference in the way men and women process sexual stimuli threaten you? Do you think it somehow makes women superior to men? We are different, not better, not worse just DIFFERENT! You write of studies which show that men and women are equally visually stimulated sexually, yet as a psych major, with a focus on human sexuality. To validate any study subjects MUST be selected at random, and an fMRI performed to study the brain during visual stimulation to measure brain activity, NOT just allow subjects to self report. Under clinical conditions the evidence is overwhelming. In the area of sexual arousal men are FAR more visually aroused than women. This is why pornography is consumed by men at a minimum rate of 3 to 1 over women. But I'm not going to argue with you, here are three clinical studies, and a news article. Just read them, these clinical studies DID utilize Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) to map the brain activity of the participants:
Title: In Sex, Brain Studies Show, 'la Différence' Still Holds.
Scientists have recently begun to map out how this difference shows up in the brain.
For example, male arousal, studies find, is strongly visual, and when men engage in sexual activity or even anticipate it, brain structures once thought to have little connection to sex spring into action. The same brain regions, however, remain relatively quiet when women are aroused.
www.nytimes.com/.../...difference-still-holds.html
Sex Differences in Response to Visual Sexual Stimuli: A Review
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739403/
Gender difference in brain activation to audio-visual sexual stimulation; do women and men experience the same level of arousal in response to the same video clip?
https://www.nature.com/articles/ijir201247
Study Finds Male And Female Brains Respond Differently To Visual Stimuli
www.sciencedaily.com/.../040316072953.htm - +1 y
@_Sorent_ Now, this question is OVER a month old, and we have all moved on, please, just do the same… Just move on! There is NO need to go back over a month to find things to troll people over. Good lord, if you actually knew me, you would KNOW that I feel very strongly about the challenges men face today, and I’m very much in favor of men rights and equal sentencing for women for the same crimes. Im also very much in favor of men being treated more fairly in family courts, and being granted costume more like 50% of the time. But all this unscientific trolling accomplishes is make me LESS likely to defend men, and men’s rights going forward! Nobody, I repeat NOBODY believes that women are better than men just because we are not the same, and we are sexually stimulated by different things. Regardless of your religious beliefs, at SOME point you’ve watched porn. But have you ever read a dime-store romance novel? I willing to bet not, because they are aimed at women. Being aroused by different things is wonderful! Vive la differénce, and stop being so threatened by the differences between us. Differences make us different, they don’t make us better (or worse). My god if we are exactly the same as you say, then why shouldn’t men be allowed to just say “today I’m a woman”? After all if there are no differences, why even bother with distinctions between men and women? Of COURSE men and women are different! It’s ridiculous to think otherwise!
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@_Sorent_ One last thing… If, as you say “ there's far more proof of women being just as visual as men than there's proof of them not being just as visual”. Then end this and provide your clinical sources! I am a student, I would LOVE to learn something as groundbreaking as that!
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@_Sorent_ And yet you didn’t address the facts I presented… Like I thought, you’re just a troll!
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@_Sorent_ What is with this? “ Many women on this site are just clever while men? Very stupid. Countless other social sites have realistic descriptions from men and women who are not delusional.” NOBODY said anything about men or women being better or worse. NOBODY said anything about men or women being smarter or “very stupid” EXCEPT YOU! Being different ≠ being better. (Oh, and “≠” means does Not Equal). I have NEVER claimed that women are in any way better than men, EVER! And for you to claim I have is pure BS! I would also like the chapter and verse where “Gods words” Say, as you claim: “The proof all too obviously around us and the icing on the 🎂 ... God's words.”
You claim: “ there's far more proof of women being just as visual as men than there's proof of them not being just as visual” Okay well prove it! Just post the studies that prove it! I would seriously love to read them. I will be waiting for you to post the studies, or whatever you claim is “Far more proof”. Until you post that, don’t bother writing anything else! - +1 y
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+1 yThe stereotype is that guys are stimulated by appearance but I believe it wears off over time and kindness is needed to maintain interest. I also know people who gained the interest of people previously uninterested in them by their kindness and loyalty.
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969 opinions shared on Flirting topic. Yes, but the rise of television and then social media, as well as the relative stability, prosperity, and safety of POST-WWII western countries, has allowed and encouraged women to become much more beauty oriented about men, when prior to that, other attributes were far more important to women, usually out of necessity.
And make no mistake - if you (women) were in a country that was invaded and at war, and your choices were hot guys who couldn't fight and knew nothing about survival, or ugly guys who could hunt, fish, and fight, you would be flocking to the ugly guys, because that kind of existential crisis resets desirability standards very quickly.00 Reply
+1 yNo. This is a myth perpetuated to give women an air of moral superiority. Physical attraction is THE primary characteristic for every human being with their complete faculties. This is a result of evolutionary biology. Mating with attractive partners increases the chances of having attractive offspring, thereby ensuring that your bloodline proliferates. Females are actually MORE visual than males. Not only do they require attractive mates, the same as men, they require males to appear physically able to protect, provide and support.
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+1 yI suppose to a point. Looks only go down far. If she looks good because she can cake on makeup and works out and everything but isn’t a nice person I don’t care much for her.
What matters most is what’s on the inside. There are some women who are average looking but when I meet them they become insanely attractive when I talk to them and see they’re great with a great personality.
Not some snooty good looking girl.
Also I have met some amazing really beautiful women too. Very very cool and amazing people. Don’t get me wrong. Not all hot women are mean lol.
I think some think they’re mean because maybe they get a lot of male attention.
00 Reply1K opinions shared on Flirting topic. Yes we are visual and physical touch by nature.
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+1 yMany species have one gender or the other that is designed by nature to be the one who attracts a mate based on looks. In some species of birds, for example, the male bird is the one with the colorful feathers or other adornments designed to attract the females.
In many species it is the females who have these traits.
That's the way it is in humans. The female of the species is made by nature to have the physical adornments that attract males and males are designed by nature to respond to those features. So yes, men are far more focused on a womans' physical appearance and put a higher weight on it than women do. That's why 99% of porn is consumed by men.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yNo, guys and girls are equally focused on looks, guys just talk about it more openly while girls dont.
a lot of guys just like to delude themselves into thinking that looks dont matter that much in order to get a woman, which has caused them to be lazy about their looks. Can been seen when you compare how much time/effort girls take to look good vs how much time/effort a guy takes to look good.
Check out the average guy’s hands vs the average girl’s hands. I can guarantee you that 90% of the time the average guy won't even have trimmed and clean nails. Thats how low the bar for guys has become.
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Do you have any data or studies to back that up?
+1 yGuys are literally dumb as shit. These days they think with there ducks, what u can offer them.. sadly. Some of these dudes are just the community dick they will sleep with the oldest junkies fattest which is fine but fuck make a hot guy not and pathetic. Feel bad for there Gfs. Bet half those bitches fucked over 5 dudes before even showing. Like have more respectm
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Agreed
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Lmao. Someone is bitter.
Yep. There's a saying that goes, women fall in love with that they hear, men fall in love with what they see.
The trick is to not let what you hear or what you see be the only things you judge when it comes to a relationship. Don't just follow what a person says, and don't just go off someone's looks.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yYes. Look at porn sites, porn mags, porn this, porn that, it’s all geared toward men. You don’t really see sites like that for women. A lot of women will admit that they don’t find naked men sexually attractive even if he is ripped from head to toe.
Funny, unicorn flower pops calling men dumb but she can’t even spell.00 Reply
+1 yAbsolutely I'm attracted to visual looks of a woman. But for myself, she also has to have a good heart. None of that bratty, I'm the prettiest girl to ever walk the earth and you're beneath me kinda crap. Ain't gonna cut it for me.
I'm visual, but I'm also not.00 ReplyInitially maybe. Most people's physical appears can change the more you get to know them. I do think guys can get more attached based on looks than girls can. But I think girls actually look for genetics in a partner as well, and looks is a big part of that.
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+1 yYeah, but Personality and lifestyle matter.. I wouldn't date a world no. 1 model, if she has a Personality that doesn't go with my own.. though as a man yes I'll sleep with her, that's how men are, we are simple.
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m +1 yattracted, sure... but that is very basic and also fleeting, for me
when it comes to actual attraction, to me is about being interesting and intriguing, rather than good looking00 Reply - 755 opinions shared on Flirting topic.
+1 yI believe so, but to be fair, it's because women are a lot more sparkly and attention grabbing than men, generally speaking.
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+1 yThat's the main root of why women dress from either librarian level to stripper level. Theirs a gauge meter. Some women ruined it by dressing up stripper level and expect the world to treat them like they are a librarian.
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+1 yLooks hands down. Despite crowd pleasers a females femininity is what guys attract to and that is why femininity is extremely important to guys. It's her looks that makes her to him and once he is hooked he is hooked.
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+1 yYeah, I'd say men are more focused on looks to an extent.
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Probably not much more than women. Im sure women check out guys all the time but I don't have data and this is just what I think is the case.
+1 yI would try to retort and think of something else but even I can't think of something yes us guys are mostly more visual. In usually in our blood to admire a girl's beauty.
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+1 yDefinitely. Most men either like boobs or ass.
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+1 yMy dinner isn’t always visually appealing, but the men in my home always come back for seconds. : D
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So it tastes good
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That it does. : )
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That’s all that matters
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@Farmerboy2 Thank you. Agreed. 😎
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+1 yYes. Except for me. Because I only want to marry a virgin. So even if I'm attracted to a girl, I ignore her. Because I don't know if she's a virgin or not.
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Are u a virgin?
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@PinkRose24 Yes, ma'am; I am.
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Cool. Me too 👍
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@PinkRose24 Heck yeah. 👍✊️💪
Blood oath. A gesture to the cleavage - a bit lower down than in the pic - gets me interested.
00 ReplyFor the most part yea. I mean I can say the same thing for women, I’m not gonna really take notice to a guy I don’t find attractive
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+1 yYes, but thats only for attraction. If you want to keep a man after the initial attraction you had best have a decent personality, and some cooking skills helps to.
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+1 yVisually attractive women will DEFINITELY get my attention, BUT if what's between her ears isn't AT LEAST AS attractive, then she WON'T KEEP my attention long.
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+1 yIts tru guys just like the way a girl looks 80 percent its a girls looks 20 percent is other things. But guys do learn things the hard way
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+1 yYes, for sure might be in the beginning, but what I think what would make a relationship sustain Is the companionship you offer to the person. Stick long enough and you'll find out.
00 ReplyThat's how we work, visual attraction is number 1, in all honesty.
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+1 yI’m attracted by personality. Only looks I care about is big butts
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+1 yYes. They are
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+1 yYeah, I believe it to be so.
00 ReplyIn general YES we are.
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+1 yProbably to some extent
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+1 yOf course so are girls.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yAround your age? No.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yYes very much so
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+1 ySome guys can.
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+1 yYes.
00 Reply374 opinions shared on Flirting topic. Yes we are
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+1 yAbsolutely yes
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