Because protein/meat is necessary for the human body. Humans are not herbivores or carnivores, they are omnivore and our bodies prove that everyday. There are 7 key or more vitamins in meat that you can not get from plants or beans or have to eat multiple servings just to ad up to the nutrients you can receive in one plate of meat. It's not good for the human body to consume more or less of one of the other, this is why God divided up the nutrients in plants and meat in order to get us to have balanced, healthy diet..(even though a lot of us still don't healthy).
So being vegetarian or vegan at first is good, you feel more energy than you ever had before cause the body is detoxing and getting rid of chemicals in meat, high fat. That's why a lot of vegans and vegetarians feel so amazing and energized during their first couple weeks of a vegan or vegetarian diet. But that slowly starts to fade as time progresses, eventually they start to feel weak, tired, confused, getting easily cold, some of them start have that gaunt look and the darkness under their eyes start really pop out cause the color of their skin is starting to have that very pale/dead look.
This is the bodies way of saying "I'm starving and if you don't include some meat soon, im going to start eating the closet thing that is meat.. aka your organs". And the body will do that once it's consumed all body's store away fat. A lot of vegans and vegetarians have to resort to taking vitamins and b12 shots, that are synthetic and not authentic which could be found in meat. I've seen some shocking videos of some vegans and it's dreadful, it would make you believe that these people are modern day holocaust victims. it's terrible especially when children are involved cause it's important that kids eat meat at time of development. I have nothing against vegans or vegetarians, but i personally believe it is not meant to be a lifelong diet, but just good for detoxing the body and losing unnecessary weight. I'm probably gonna get some hate for it but if you don't believe me.. check out some these videos.
I eat a very clean vegan/plant based diet. I don't care what other people eat but I agree with this right here...
"Here is how I look at it. Have humans always been 100% vegan? No. There is concrete evidence of us hunting animals in our past for survival, and yes we CAN eat animals but that doesn't mean we should. I see it like this. If EVERYONE hunted their meat it would be a much much much different world. First of all back in our evolution our diet was still 95% plant based because it was very hard to get a successful kill of a deer, etc. Also that meat would never be good for more than a day or 2. The majority of our food was plant based and I think if ALL the factory farms, and other farms were shut down and everyone had to go out and kill their own meat it would be far different. We wouldn't be eating very much of it because its just too much work. The key here is that we DO NOT NEED to eat animals and the way that it is done in todays society is incredibly cruel. These animals had NO LIFE, NO FREEDOM, NOTHING, locked in cages their whole lives, for what? People are getting disease at astronomical rates because their diet is 90% animal foods with very little fruit, veg. So just because we CAN do something, doesn't make it the right thing to do. We are much much healthier eating a vegan diet, and we are saving millions of animals from a terrible life, along with the planet. And it would be an entirely different story if you had to actually go out and kill those animals yourself. You would probably be like F this im just going to grow potatoes."
Humans have evolved to be 100% omnivores. Our teeth have tearing incisors (believe that's the right word?) and canines. We also have many traits similar to herbivores but mammals with such diverse systems ARE omnivores. Nothing wrong with being vegan, I tried it and felt like shit but if it works for you then wonderful. But most of us are not healthy without meat etc and that's a scientific fact.
@Marilynjuana It depends on how you define veganism. People still eat their toast, some vegetables, some trendy shit like avocados, and then some processed burger shite, and expect to be healthy. Really, the evidence suggests that a mostly plant based diet is the healthiest. See the China Study as an example. To me the goal is to rid myself on the reliance on medical establishment stupidity. I don't want to be free from 'disease', but to have no symptoms whatsoever (as much as realistically possible). Which is something that I have hopefully been able to do on a plant based diet. Having said that, I don't believe eating meat is necessarily unhealthy. And eating cheese is probably very unhealthy. Obviously, veganism isn't necessary healthy. Nor vegetarianism. The devil is in the detail though. It depends how you do stuff. It probably depends on the proportion in which you take certain foods. I definitely think making meat something like 30% of your diet is very unhealthy.
Also, I don't think the teeth show evidence of that. The incisors are for slicing vegetables. The molars are for grinding beans and whole grains. There's four canines for 'tearing meat', and they look more vestigial if anything... The proportion of teeth probably show the weightings of what proportion we should be eating our food. Incidentally, eating meat is definitely unsustainable for the planet. See the image that I will post on this question.
@Levin I'll respectfully disagree. Veganism is veganism, this is a topic that people can argue about till they're blue in the face. I was vegan for close to 2 years and my health suffered badly, MOST credible sources also conclude that humans are omnivores. There is always a study debunking these claims but I don't see modern day humans as "herbivores", nor do most specialists.
@Marilynjuana and people who eat meat also suffer health issues. No evidence at all points to humans needing to consume meat. But I could show tons of evidence showing where humans shouldn't eat meat. Most people who claim they suffered health problems on a vegan diet usually aren't eating properly. Oreos are vegan, but they aren't healthy. There is a huge difference between just being vegan and being a plant based vegan. I don't care what other people eat, I am not the type who goes around preaching that everyone should be vegan. It is none of my business what people eat. It doesn't matter if we are omnivores or not, what matters is the fact that all humans do better on a vegan-plant based diet. Dairy and meat cause inflammation in our bodies. Fruits and vegetables do not, matter of fact they reduce inflammation, they provide antioxidants. Inflammation causes diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc. So common sense tells me to not eat foods that promote inflammation. I don't know what specialist you talk to, but the heart doctors, renowned heart doctors here at the renowned Cleveland Clinic will tell you that veganism/plant based diet is the first thing you must do post heart attack. You can either adapt to that diet before ever having a heart attack or you can adapt to a vegan diet after you have a heart attack, if you survive one. The advice cancer patients are given is to avoid sugar and cancer promoting foods such as dairy. Eat more vegetables. I was told by someone I know, who is an Endocrinologist, that most patients will not follow a plant based diet. They tell them to eat more vegetables and put diabetics on metformin or insulin. Rarely do any of his patients go into remission. The ones that do are the ones who changed to a plant based diet. I do not doubt that dairy and meat farmers have a huge influence on how some specialist encourage people to eat.. Just look at the myth surrounding how dairy builds strong bones.
You don’t preach veganism but you preach that if we are not vegan we get a heart attack. Got it girl! I didn’t mean to get anyone’s knickers in a twist, I’m not for veganism due to personal experience and basic human biology. You choose your ways, I really don’t care, I got mine.
They told my aunt who was in her mid 50s and suffering lung cancer to eat dairy as it is 'healthy'. Suffice to say, she is dead now. The amount of paradigm-think is so complete that it's really impossible to make a dent in it, really. I don't say that with any disrespect to you Marilyn, just making a general point.
Dr Esselstyn's book is something I think I will order, too. 'The author is a retired general surgeon who on a theory asked his cardio colleagues to permit him to try his dietary lifestyle change on willing cardio patients, all of whom had had heart attacks or bypasses etc. After six months (I think) seven knew they couldn't cut the diet and returned to standard cardio care. One of the remaining died of an arrythmia that was unrelated to the diet. The remaining 16 were all alive without a single further cardiac event 12 years later (and beyond). Of the 7 that had gone back to standard care all had had some kind of cardiac event including death.' Western treatments for heart disease and cancer are usually terrible and don't address the underlying causes.
@Levin Dairy I don’t agree with. It doesn’t make sense to drink milk from other mammals. You keep giving me examples of a moderate diet being bad, I suggest you also research more about the rest of the story and see how many people barely got any nutrients to fuel their bodies over the course of a vegan diet. Never mind the fact that veganism is expensive, especially during winter over here in the Baltics. I do not believe in veganism, others can do as they please, none of my business. But this is my opinion.
@Marilynjuana I'm not really advocating a vegan diet, since I don't think people should resort to extremes. I think a plant based diet with a little flexibility is healthiest. Whole foods, plant based, as they call it. Also, most people who are vegan are idiots, let's face it. They do it for the animal cruelty aspect, not because of health. They just eat shit. And they can get away with it. Because they are largely healthy and well adjusted to start with, with good lifestyles habits. Like you, I'm sceptical this is sustainable in the long run. Anyway, no use debating this because as I say, people have their own viewpoint and it won't change. Again, why I generally avoid talking about this in real life, also.
@Marilynjuana I wasn't preaching. I was just saying what the Cleveland Clinic has said. I wouldn't think any of us had our knickers in a twist, I think we are all just conversating back and forth. Maybe I took it diffeferently than you? My bad.
Because vegetables and fruits taste like garbage. Dead things are tasty.
Also, plant-based diets aren't optimal for humans, who are built primarily for meat consumption. And I don't give a shit about animals, they are food, our battery farming is no different from wolves culling deer herds in the wild, it's just apex predation, but more efficient form of it.
Well the truth is unless you're taking a bunch of supplements, going fully vegan is likely going to be detrimental to your health, and you'll likely feel much weaker and have less energy as a whole. I'm rather physically active and need lots of calories and protein to function well - hence the need for meat in my diet
I like meat, and think it's a good staple to most meals. My parents used to get our meat from local farmers so that they knew the animal was raised well and treated well, but honestly I personally don't care how the animal was raised. Animals are here to be eaten, especially the ones we've bred for meat. I eat a ton of fruits and vegetables anyways and eat meat mostly only at dinner time and maybe a little for lunch. Anyways I know where meat comes from and I'm okay with it. I am willing to kill and butcher the animal myself, so I don't have any of the guilt complexes that might drive someone to become vegetarian, nor do I think vegetarianism is healthier.
Tried it and spent much more money on vegan processed foods which were just junk food. I heard girls losing their periods on it and some other horror stories. For guys who do vegan, they look effeminate looking. It turns out I was vegan because of some Netflix propaganda documentary which is really stupid of me but I was in high school. The celebrities like Arnold Schrawgennar who said they became a vegan but all their life ate meat, really hypocritical, Arnold would have never gotten that type of body without animal protein. This veganism is just a propaganda thing nothing to do with health. I'm doing keto now and my skin cleared up and I'm feeling really good, been doing it for more than a year. I really like meat so yah.
there is a right way to go vegan, and a wrong way. A well planned vegan diet is the best possible diet for long term health and there are tons of studies to show this. Don't buy the propaganda on either side, and of course, just because it' s vegan does not mean it is healthy
lol also the argument about vegan guys looking 'effeminate' is baseless. It's true that effeminate men might be more likely to empathize with animals and pursue this kind of diet, but the diet itself certainly does not reduce testosterone, in fact, vegans on average have significantly higher testosterone than meat eaters and vegetarians and this is well documented.
@Shamalien I think veganism is unnatural to humans, our ancestors were hunter-gatherers and ate meat and gathered wild berries and tubers. Personally, veganism didn't work for me but I can see it being beneficial to some people who have eaten a junk-food diet. Just in my experience, the guys that I saw did veganism didn't look masculine.
Oh boy.. human origins XD that is a whole nother topic
Humans have been omnivores for a long time, true, but we were not always this way... veganism can and should work for everyone, it's just a matter of adapting your diet and getting the nutrients you need from different sources. Every nutrient in meat came from a plant at some point, logically speaking a vegan diet must work if a meat diet works.
Of course I'm not trying to force anyone to go vegan, I'm just telling y'all that it is superior both for your own health and for the health of the planet. I don't really fit any vegan stereotypes and kind of hate the community but the logic is sound.
And the guys you saw that did veganism, did they start out masculine and then become effeminate, or were they always effeminate? Veganism does increase testosterone I really do invite you to do some research on this
if you are curious into learning why humans are not natural meat eaters and never have been, you can compare the human skeleton, particularly the jaw area and the hips / legs to other carnivores and herbivores, then decide for yourself which it more closely resembles.
To be fair, I think a big factor for Arnie's body was steroids.
I'm mostly plant based. Effeminate looking? I'm beautiful man. My skin is perfect, too! Most people look fucked by the age of 25. That is not good at all!
And I definitely think this keto thing is a gimmick. A mostly plant based diet should be the healthiest. But, most people just eat shit. Processed shit and a lack of variety is what kills the credibility of what should be a very healthy diet. But I don't think I would go full vegan anyway.
@Shamalien That's why I said hunter-gatherer so humans can omnivorous. If you look at chimpanzees, they eat meat as well, they participate in cannibalism also. This good for the planet thing is a joke, eat grass-fed meat then. If you think about it, fruits and vegetables kill habitats because you have to clear more land for those things. Keto is a low-carb diet that has cured my autoimmune diseases. The vegan diet, I did it properly actually after doing it wrong, but it made me lethargic and eat more frequently. With keto, I eat less frequently and don't have any cravings. So a cow eats grass all day, I'm still getting my veggies in. Well, we started cooking our food and then the agricultural revolution came so maybe that's why are teeth are different, it has to do with natural selection. Keto is nice and simple, I never have to buy processed foods. Veganism has all these supplements and soy products are especially bad since they increase estrogen in men.
I am vegaterian because that switch was pretty easy to make while living with my parents. Mostly we eat potatoes, with some kind of vegatable and a piece of meat. It's easy to cut out the meat. And I wasn't a big meat eater from the beginning. (The only thing is I cheat on sushi, but I only eat sushi like once a year) But vegan is a lot harder because a lot of products contain eggs, milk or gelatin. In the Netherlands we eat a lot of bread, and bread contains milk and eggs. So it is harder to cut out. For now I've decided to avoid other animal products as much as possible and maybe when I'm on my own (my own house, my own groceries) I can switch to vegan.
And of course I'm vegan because I feel terrible about how the animals are treated in slaughter houses. I've traumatized myself on Instagram. With horrible things they do to animals and how cute cows, pigs and chickens can be. Cows sometimes just look like really big dogs and I just don't want to eat em. And it's better for the earth. I strongly believe if people ate less meat there would be less global warming and less hunger in the world.
For vegetarian, my potato garden and foraging won’t sustain a mostly plant based diet. It’s mostly meat because that’s most of what I have and can get.
For vegan, same as before and I’m sure as shit not withering myself away into a low energy mess, especially when winter hits. Fuck that.
I could easily be a vegetarian but I still eat meat every once in awhile but I usually dont. But I don't feel like i am one. And as for being a vegan, It probably would make me relapse into my ed because of how many restrictions.
Plus I'd hate to give up on cheese, greek yogurt, things that have eggs in them etc. I know there's substitutes but I like the real thing or how it orginally tastes.
I went without meat on a couple occasions during the lockdown. I had frozen meat but couldn’t be fucked to defrost it haha. I was fine, I think I dumped a bunch of chickpeas in my salad instead of the usual chicken. I guess I just feel like I missed something, nutritionally, if I don’t eat meat on a given day, like on an instinctual level.
Well, partly because it is inconvenient. I have cut down on my meat intake a lot since 3 or so years ago. But I can’t say no to meat completely because most people around me aren’t vegan/vegetarian. If I hang out with my friend and they order pizza take away and I’m hungry, am I supposed to just say no and not eat? Or when I visit mum and she makes dinner, do I just refuse it? It’s just inconvenient.
cus the most successful animal species on the planet.. cows pigs chickens owe it all to the fact they are in our food chain.. more specific reasons.. BEEF TENDERLOIN.. hamburgers.. hot dogs.. fried chicken wings legs breatss (col sanders) BACON.. PORK RIBS... BBQ.. so everyone wins.. chicken cow pigs.. and i eat.. win win!
because i'm not convinced that this is "long term" good for me. i agree that it would be morally better and safe the environment. but when it comes to my health, i'm selfish.
i mean i eat way less meat than the average omnivore but i won't take it off my diet, unless you show me a representative long term cohort study that can convince me that there is no negative impact.
I was for 3 years, for the sole reason that I disapprove of the meat industry and chose not to support it by eating meat. Then I moved in with my fiance and since she cooks, she decided it's too bad she's cooking meat and whether I like it or not :( I've tried to convince her to be vegetarian and she's agreed a few times but never committed. And I wasn't vegan because I don't believe things like honey and bee farming are bad.
I find it more difficult to get my protein intake without meats or specifically eggs. Plus I just like the taste and I don't specifically feel guilty about eating animals because that's how nature works. There's a good chain and and we as an omnivorous species est both plants and animals for nutrition.
for me its because i dont need to be and for those that feel the need to tell me how humans need meat i might point out im 53 with no real health issues, good skin and all bar one of my teeth... as you can imagine i have heard it a million times ;)
Meat is delicious. I also came across an article the other day saying something along the lines of proteins provided by meat affects the aging body differently (better) than protein obtained through plants. I have the article saved to read later, but I don't know, maybe it has some merit to it.
I am trying to cut out red meat, since that is the worst for the planet and your body. But i love chicken and cheese too much. And whipped cream, and just butter. So by cutting out red meat i created a compromise between my love of food and my moral compass
1. 95% of vegan or vegetarian food I can't stand the taste of; 2. Eating cooked meat helped raise the Australopithecus species to the Homo species; 3. Cooked meat helps the development and functions of the Human brain; 4. Tastes a whole lot better.
Because I know it is a Bullshit fad, and I LOVE a FCKING AMAZING STEAK!! WHY should I be a vegan? I think it is just another way that some try to control people. Seems most are VERY liberal Dumb-o-crats!!!
I am not a vegetarian because I raise meat and meat tastes to good to give it up. There are a lot of environmental benefits to raising animals that provide us with meat. Such as grazing animals can take useless land and plant materials and turn it in to a highly digestible protein source.
As much as I love animals and would rather not eat them, it's difficult to keep that type of diet. Not only it's expensive but it's also hard to find places that sell qualtity vegetarian/vegan food.
I spend 15-20£ a week on food and I'm vegan :) I don't think that is expensive (and I eat 3 big meals every single day). When i go to restaurants my meal is always the cheapest. I agree that options are hard to find (although it depends on where you are, in the UK it's fairly easy) but the "it's expensive" argument is kinda wrong
@Claraaa I think it depends on place and condition. I live in a country where the main plates are all meat and fish. I'm still in high school and so, don't really have a job.
Because meat and dairy taste good, are good sources of protein, and cutting them out of your diet restricts what and where you can eat more than one might expect.
why are you asking this question? God made cows , pigs and such animals to be eating by humans ! if you choose not to eat them , then that is your problem and no one else's ! thanks
Truth is I enjoy eating meat. I'm not convinced of the alleged miraculous health benefits either. It's just easier to eat/use animal products without having to research every product.
I'm not a vegetarian but I could probably be one without changing very much. The Meat I like is pretty much just chicken and fish, which I don't have much of anyways.
Because i believe plants lives are equal or even worth more animals lives. So i would prefer to eat meat over plants. But to make it equality i eat both.
That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Meat is cheap. I can buy a pork loin for under $20 and feed myself for a week or longer. I can buy like 2 Lbs of ground beef and make spaghetti, burgers, etc or freeze what i dont need and feed myself for a week.
Want to go vegan you will find out very quickly anything vegan or vegetarian is expensive. Especially if you go for anything "organic". You are going to be shopping way more often for "fresh" ingredients. Getting all the vitamins you need to survive as a omnivorr is going to be a struggle. Getting the protein you need being a constant struggle as there is not a wide variety of sources of protein outside of meat. This also limits your meal options. I wouldn't want to be pill popping because I don't want to eat meat.
I understand people wanting to be healthier. But it is all about moderation. We are omnivores, eating meat is what makes us who we are.
Eating organic foods helps somewhat if you can prove their organic. Nearly all organic vegetables are still sprayed with pesticides making the choice to go organic on vegetables not even a healthier alternative. Organic meat is healtheir if their antibiotic etc. free but their not that much healthier unless they are free range. If their not free range, their living conditions taint their meat, alter their flavor, and so on. If we don't take care of ourselves our body suffers, and the same is true in animals.
The only way to be a true vegan / vegetarian is to grow and raise everything you eat yourself. Most are too lazy to do that.
I've been eating meat about once a week for the past 8 years. My body is perfectly fine with that. I know where I can get meat substitutes. As for the price, tvp, beans and lentils are way cheaper than meat and I know how to cook with them. People are not supposed to be omnivores, they are supposed to be frugavores, eating about 70% not meat.
Frugivores are animals who eat primarily fruit but are omnivores or herbivores. We would die as a frugivore. The highest protein fruit is guavas at almost 2 grams. The average person needs almost 60 grams of protein per day. You going to survive on 30 guavas a day. I couldn't even eat that many in a week. 1 cup of lentils is only 18 grams of protein. Are you able to eat over 3 cups of lentils a day for just protein, not including everything else you need. You need to eat a lot to stay healthy.
History shows 0 evidence that we consumed anything other than meat as a lrimary source of protein. We have been hunter gathers for millenniums and our teeth are designed for eating meat.
If i consumed only soylent meal substitutes the rest of my life I am sure I will feel perfectly fine. That doesn't however mean you are perfectly healthy or your choice has no negative consequences.
@Iron_Man I was just basically commenting on how you said eating vegetables all day will make you ok like a deflated skinny man. He eats them and he looks great.
@Oceanlust But how do you know if he’s new to the scene Or and all that muscle developed from eating meat 🥩 And of course with many years of weight training
Disrespecting people who (for the most of them) only mind their own business and refuse to cause death is honestly disgusting. Killers, rapists, abusers etc do not deserve respect.
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