The History of the Nice Guy, Bad Boys & Jerks (Page 3)

[v0nDutch]

3) you'd have to be pretty stupid to assume that a girl who just met a random guy (be it you or anyone else) is going to think; "aww, he's just a push-over for me, not for the whole world, how sweet", or sit there calculating the statistics on how many people you're a push-over for and how many you're not. The impression you leave on her is the impression she walks away with. Just saying.

[v0nDutch]

2) it's not about looks. just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it's just about looks. it's about character and presence, and those men have exactly that. other guys don't. these guys capture your attention, have a strong persona, and exude raw power from within. that's what's sexy about them.

[v0nDutch]

2) please google or wikipedia "cherry picking". my fiance' is an attorney, and in argumentation, voluntary introduction of logical fallacy is often a sign of desperation to prove a weaker or invalid point. It's not JUST Brad Pitt, it's everyone else I mentioned too. And no, I haven't met him. But I've seen him on TV & interviews, the same way I've seen losers on interviews that I didn't feel attracted to; but for some reason, I have yet to see you on TV or an interview.. hmm..

[v0nDutch]

1) lol, so are you saying, that the next time I'm watching the Discovery Channel, the announcer should be saying "the African Bull frog not establishes his territory as the top male, this will no doubt cause all the SHALLOW female bull frogs to want to mate with him, because that's how females of any species are, shallow, they just want the best male; ugh! this is why I never get laid and have to be the announcer of the Discovery Channel! fml"

[TimeAndTimeAgain]

I guess in your point of view (or just this article's), there is no such thing as love, and relationships are only formed because the woman needs someone to provide for her. Therefore any sort of emotional bond is seen as a weakness. If a guy has feelings for a woman, and decides to express it, he is seen as "weak" and "submissive", because he's doing things for this woman. Really... the day all women start thinking like this, is the day I'll become a permanent bachelor.

[TimeAndTimeAgain]

3) You'd have to be very stupid to assume that just because YOU can push a guy, it means everyone else can do it too. Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe, just MAYBE, you are the ONLY person he ALLOWS to push him? And that he'll tell everyone else to just f*** off? No. You don't. At least the majority of girls I meet don't. They think just because guys are nice to her, it means they're weak and have no balls. An idiotic assumption to make, because it's not true.

[TimeAndTimeAgain]

2) "These are guys like [...], and Brad Pitt. It's not how they look! It's their attitude!"

Ever met them in real life? Ever sat on a table with any of them to see what they're actually like? No. Fame and success doesn't define attitude. Girls really do like Brad Pitt because he's hot! Regardless, as I said earlier - if girls are going to pick me mainly because they feel I'm going to be successful later on, what makes you think I'll want to be with them at all? They're just using me.

[TimeAndTimeAgain]

1) You say girls favor the Spartan over the Perioikoi, we're not gonna get mad with that. What we will get mad at is if you pick the Spartan purely because he's "genetically superior". And with good reason, because if any guy that you're with tells you he only chose to be with you because you're hot, you'd have to have VERY low self-esteem to not be bothered by that. Unless all that matters to you in life, is sex. And I'd feel sorry for anyone who has such a narrow-minded view like this.

[TimeAndTimeAgain]

I agree with most of this, but the big problem here is that girls assume a lot about guys with these little tests.

Let me ask you this - how the F*** do you know how someone who is famous or financially successful, is also socially successful? That's just an assumption a lot of girls make, and it is stupid. This is how a lot of them end up in unhappy relationships, and pass out a lot of other opportunities with guys who THEY (the girls) THINK are "weak", but are actually not.

[Bvroon]

All this being said, while informative won't change the nice guys genetic make up. I can appreciate that he might be able to adopt a more confident attitude, but again this won't change his genetic code. I guess in the end what it really comes down is are you smarter than your basic desires (instincts) in that you choose what it is you are looking for and not believing that you "settled" We all have the ability to make choices, we should all choose wisely. :-)

[WeaponZero]

This article should be called The Ugly Truth. Because it's depressing, it's saddening, it hurts, and the information contained in it can totally destroy someone's self esteem. But it doesn't make it any less true. Fortunately there are more and more people as the years go by who are beginning to veer away from this school of thought.

[gonaners16]

Uh, wow. Too bad all of the people that read this didn't comment. I'd like to see what the people that rated this low think.

One of the many things that made me laugh is:

"The battle comes down to sex. Between two girls of equal value, the one who puts out first will snag the guy away from the other girl."

If a guy chooses another girl over me because she'll screw him, then I don't want him anyway.

This is quite a warped view on things.

[beans]

Spot on! Though I think an alpha male will look for an alpha female. I think we're programmed to chose partners similarly attrative or more attractive than us. >The reason it fails, is because genetically superior men are much rarer than genetically superior women, and so, more high quality women want to have sex with high quality men, than high quality men want to have sex with high quality women.< This is the ugly truth. That's where evolution begins to suck.

[oh_henry_oh]

I don't have the time right now to rebut each element, but this thinking is refuted easily. Simply look around, look at who's happy and why. Look who's raising kids and loving their mate and...

I am amazed that a woman wrote this -- I suspect something but don't have any evidence; I can accept that the person who wrote this is, at least genetically, a female. But I wonder if "she's" an actual woman, someone one of us men would want to take out a second time.

[icemaster2340]

That you truly know what sorta person he is. Remember it's all on TV and I hate to break it to ya but TV ain't real. VonDutch you seem like a nice person but just some friendly advice: First impressions might be important but truth is they really ain't worth much. I hope you can differentiate when a guy is being nice vs being weak. Yes I know my rambling would send me straight to your boy category but guess what I'm 16 I can still afford to be a boy and why woulD I care what you think of me?

[icemaster2340]

I swear there is a lot of things wrong with this world if a girl just can't simply like a nice guy for being nice. Yea some guys might be total pushovers, but some others are just allowing YOU to push them around. If girls would only want a guy who would be selfish enough to not give a d@mm about the girls then they should seriously seek help. And one final thing, seeing Brad Pitt on an interview ain't much to boast about, unless you actually spent more than a couple of hours with him I doubt...

[icemaster2340]

While I do find this article an interesting read, I am afraid I have t side with TimeAndTimeAgain on the debate. There's a big difference in desiring someone for their looks and liking someone for their personality. I'm sure y'all heard the saying never judge a book by it's cover. Same thing applies for any human being. With limited space left here's a suggestion to many girls: Why not actually get to know the person WELL before you judge him.

[minnie12]

This was excellant. You took a two hour documentary on human sexuality and condensed it to one short article. It does boil down to genetics and what we are driven by at our subconscience level. It would be interesting if you wrote one on the flip side and why guys go for the women they do because it also is very basic human instinct. Side by side the articles would answer a lot of questions.

[chettah-two]

@ BDub89 the guys that were jerks in high school and never became anything after college only get laid with those type of girls only.. But guys who were geeks then changed in college generally become MORE successful with women than those jerks in high school.

However those that remain geeks regardless will still be unsuccessful with women unless she has to "settle.."

[BDub89]

So what about the guys that are huge assholes all through high school, but most of whom didn't even get into college, and will grow up poor as sh*t deadbeats? Sure they looked good, but other than that, they have no good qualities.What if your a leader,but don't treat other guys like sh*t. I'm sometimes a nice guy, and sometimes not, but I'm in charge of organizations and well respected by other guys. I have a great career set-up for after college, yet girls aren't charging at me