Women don't want what they say they do

[JamesDiaz11]

Well, nearly any guy who has had experience with women knows that many of the things that women say they want don't align with what they ACTUALLY want. An easy example is the nice guy/ bad boy issue, where women will rush to fk a bad boy, holding onto whatever they have long after it's becomes toxic, while ignoring all the "nice guys" who want to treat them well, and would actually faithfully commit to them.

They don't know what they want- or if they do, they lie

Yet, there are a few things that I've recently learned about women, and I'll give you the situation that accompanied them.

1. Girls don't want you to be vulnerable. Girls will say that they want you to be open with them about your feelings, and be able to show vulnerability (even cry), but if you show weakness in front of your woman they WILL lose respect for you, and they WILL leave you- if you don't remedy it.

My recent ex, and several girls I've dated since used to constantly ask for me to be more open with them, to not be so stoic, strong, and "perfect (acting)." However, a couple years ago when I found myself in a humbling experience my ex pulled back- it was only with me bearing the pain in silence, and putting on a strong front that she forgot about my low-point. Since, I've dated several other girls, and I've occasionally shared parts of myself once we got close, in those late night sharing sessions. Some of it was how Iraq/ combat kinda messed me up, or how I've used education/ professional success to make up for insecurities from my childhood, and/or how much the recent breakup hurt me. In each of these cases girls who were formerly dropping their panties, became cold- enough to have the message made clear.

2. Girls don't want the truth. "Have you ever cheated? Is my body count too high? How would you rate me, out of 10? Are you looking for a relationship, or just a hookup?" For every one of these questions you would be an absolute fool to tell them the truth. If you've cheated, keep that to yourself- they will use this to distrust you (if they find out, lie, never drop the con). If her body count is high (and you're just trying to hit) don't tell her that- women hate to be judged less-than a perfect princess. Every girl believes they're a 10, or at least a 9, and if you tell them anything different then you're the A$$hole.

A girl in Detroit I was hooking up with regularly asked me why she wasn't having success on Tinder (i.e. the hot guys weren't matching with her, and the very few who did weren't pursuing her), despite the occasional hot guy (including myself) hooking up with them. I told her, "well, it's because you're a 6/10. You have a smoking body, but your face isn't pretty, and you don't wear makeup..." This was after trying to deliver the same info diplomatically, but finally just being blunt with her- she then blocked me on everything.

Another girl, who was a hot mess (fresh out of a break up, extremely high body count- over 50- and a self-righteous feminist), told me she just wanted to casually date/ hookup with me to get over/ get back at her ex. I agreed to this, finally telling her that I wouldn't actually date her either... guess what happened? "The vibe is off," then block.

3. Girls don't want any advice that is different from what they already want to do. If you're anything like me, you like to solve problems; however, if a girl tells you about a situation, tells you what she wants to do, and asks if she "should," you are an idiot if you suggest something different. Just like when women decide a guy is a "friend," once they get an idea, opinion, course of action in their head they DO NOT want to hear any suggestions against it. Do not take statements of "tell me what you think," as evidence that they want to hear what you think- they do not- they want you to reiterate what they have told you they want to do, and to sensibly (not simp level) reinforce that it's the best course of action.

[RolandCuthbert]

Haha! Captain Obvious over here.

Of course women don't say what they want. They hint at what they want. Incels interpret that as lying. When the fact is women are telling the truth, just in a different way.

1. You are still on that silly incel narrative. That you are somehow a nice guy and women choose bad boys. That is nonsensical insane batshit victimology. Somehow, you are the victim. Nah, you just lazy and haven't practiced at being social enough to have success at dating. Women appreciate vulnerability. And love it when their man is vulnerable. But you should not be showing that vulnerability while dating. That comes later. Much later.

2. So are just being stupid. Do you want the truth? Obviously you do not, if you are telling yourself the lie that you are a nice guy. Right? Women want to be made to feel special. And this is weird.

It is actually the opposite. Women actually do not like being treated like a perfect princess. Most do not like being put on a pedestal. Because they feel that your projection of them sets a standard impossible to reach. It is just how incels think.

a. That women are so far above them, they have to somehow beg for sex.

b. That women don't want sex as much as they do.

c. That women somehow do not share the same feelings of low self-esteem, low confidence, and feelings of inadequacy. You guys create this fantasy that no one can seem to pierce. The reality is way different than what you have created. And you can only realize that by getting out being social and dating lots of women.

3. Wrong. You are right that women don't want advice. They want you to listen. You are always trying to solve their problems. They can solve their own issues. But they want you to listen to what they have to say. The problem with you incels is that every date is high stakes. It is earth shattering important that everything go right. So you never seem to have any fun. You just seem to be tense and on edge the entire time. And you pretend like that vibe will contribute to a nice evening. You are so focused on doing the right thing, saying the right words, you guys make it so high stress and high stakes. And your date picks up on all of that. You don't know how to enjoy yourself and have fun. Because you are so focused on getting to the romance. Then you are disappointed when women are turned off.

Fix it!

[TheSpaceGnome]

Women aren't clones.

Your entire rant only applies to a very small subset of women, many of which are only partially applicable to some of that, with only an extreme minority applying to all of it.

You could have literally written anything for a blanket stereotype though, and my answer would be the same, and would still be correct.

[Deserter]

Nah, he's right

[JamesDiaz11]

Male feminist right here, running to simp.

[TheSpaceGnome]

1. No, he's wrong. All blanket personality types for people in general are wrong, simply because people are individuals.

2. Feminism is man hating bullshit, I don't subscribe to that nonsense.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Stereotypes in genersl are for retards.

[TheSpaceGnome]

general*

[Deserter]

I'm not wrong, you're low iq, stereotypes exist cause there's truth to them. It need not apply to every wman ever, you brainlet

[JamesDiaz11]

Generalities are often true- just because something is a stereotype doesn't mean it's wrong. "Men are stronger than women..." Here you come running in: 'NOT ALL WOMYN/ MIN!!!"
Yea, but men are generally stronger...

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Deserter Actually you are wrong, most women do not fit the descriptions you listed.

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Deserter And no, stereotypes exist because idiots like yourself have personal experiences and then you project them onto everyone else like a moron.

[Deserter]

No, what I said is true, you're upset and this is how you cope, dumbass

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Deserter I'm not upset that you're retarded, I just point out bs when I see it, and thats a lot of bs.

[Deserter]

Every study says you're wrong, but keep crying, little boy

[LuvLuv89]

We are primarily emotional, not rational... and so are guys, though probably less so than women. Not many women can admit that, but it's true... but we also vary hugely among ourselves as women. There's plenty of women who can see things more rationally than men. More relevant to what you're saying is that being irrational depends on the topic. Men are often idiots when it comes to their foolish pride, anger, and violence. While, women are irrational based on the criteria you laid out. Women don't want the truth to get in the way of our positive feelings... even if WW3 is on the line. Men understand this... hence they pander much more than previous generations.

[RangerBlue22]

Mostly agree with what you said. But about: “Men are often idiots when it comes to their foolish pride, anger, and violence.” Yes the worst part of masculinity leads to that. No doubt. But there is also Freudian dynamics at play for that kind of behavior and it still happens in modern times.

Women do enable knuckleheads and reward them sexually. They don’t realize how much their often foolish dating and sexual decisions impact male behavior.

Not to say all women are like that but too many are. We would live in a different world if women had better dating judgment on who they typically accept vs reject. Seriously.

[LuvLuv89]

@RangerBlue22 Well said.

[RangerBlue22]

@LuvLuv89 from my observations over the years women really underestimate how much influence they have over male psychology/self esteem and how sex or lack thereof can influence them.

There are long term consequences of rewarding bad behavior.

[Bethany22]

My ex boyfriend was an advanced player. He managed to be able to have vulnerable conversations, and write poetry that could only have been written about me, and he was committed to me. But I still somehow never knew where I stood with him, as there was never any progress to the relationship. I eventually gave up and moved on.

[JamesDiaz11]

The game he played was powerful, because he never let you get secure. Once a guy shows his hand to a girl, and shows he's all in (especially when she is not, or at least not yet) she will lose interest.

[tony_baloney]

I like he's trying to tell you that you should have felt the opposite lmao

[tony_baloney]

"Noooo, you're supposed to feel strung along so you always work for my affection"
-James

[KrakenAttackin]

@Bethany22. He was never your boyfriend, you were just a side piece.

[Bethany22]

@KrakenAttackin even if we spent holidays together and he had me in his profile picture?

[KrakenAttackin]

@Bethany22. OK, so you were the main side piece.

[Bethany22]

@KrakenAttackin side piece of who

[RangerBlue22]

@JamesDiaz11 what you first said does work initially. But men can overdo it and regret it later. I ruined a good thing years ago by overdoing the mystery/challenge part.

It worked like magic for the first 6 months. But after a year passed she gave up on me.

[coachTanthony]

-----------Women break rules for the bad boy and won't for the nice guy. Get used to it fellas. Be the bad boy.

[FilmGuy93]

Women absolutely want what they say they want. Women are just awful communicators. As bad as men are at communicating; women are so much frickin worse.

[MementoMori_]

a woman's dictionary
I've often mused (or bemoaned) that women need to come with a manual. For linux geeks like me who like having things spelled out in a man page, it would sure as hell make life a lot easier.

To that end, here's something that would have to be included in any "woman manual" (should one ever exist): it's a dictionary of sorts. Basically, it lists common things women say, and what they really mean.

"Fine"This is the word women use at the end of any argument when they feel they are right but can't stand to hear you argue any longer. It means that you should shut up. (NEVER use "fine" to describe how she looks. This will cause you to have one of those arguments.)

"Five minutes"This is half an hour. It is equivalent to the five minutes that your football game is going to last before you take out the trash, so women feel that it's an even trade.

"Nothing"This really means something and you should be on your toes. "Nothing" is usually used to describe the feeling a woman has of wanting to turn you inside out, upside down, and backwards. "Nothing" usually signifies an argument that will last "Five Minutes" and end with the word "Fine."

"Go Ahead" (with raised eyebrows) This is NOT permission; it's a dare! If you mistake it for permission, the woman will get upset over "Nothing" and you'll have a "five-minute" discussion that will end with the word "Fine."

"Go Ahead" (normal eyebrows) This is not permission, either. It means "I give up" or "do what you want because I don't care." You will get a raised eyebrow "Go Ahead" in just a few minutes, followed by "Nothing" and "Fine" and she will talk to you in about "Five Minutes" when she cools off.
(Loud Sigh) This is not actually a word, but is still often a verbal statement, and is very frequently misunderstood by men. A "Loud Sigh" means she thinks you are a complete idiot and wonders why she is wasting her time standing here and arguing with you over "Nothing."

(Soft Sigh) Again, not a word, but still a verbal statement. Soft Sighs are one of the few things that some men actually understand. It means she is momentarily content. Your best bet is to not move or breathe in the hope that the moment will last a bit longer.
"Oh"This word-followed by any statement - is trouble. Examples include "Oh, let me get that," or, "Oh, I talked to him about what you were doing last night." If she says "Oh" before a statement, run -- do not walk -- to the nearest exit.

She will tell you that she is "Fine" when she is done tossing your clothes out the window, but do not expect her to talk to you for at least two days. ("Oh" as the lead to a sentence usually signifies that you are caught in a lie). Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or you will get a raised-eyebrow "Go ahead," sometimes followed by acts so unspeakable that I can't bring myself to write about them.

"That's Okay"This is one of the most dangerous statements that a woman can say to a man. "That's Okay" means that she wants to think long and hard before deciding what the penalty will be for whatever you have done. "That's Okay" is often used with the word "Fine" and in conjunction with a raised-eyebrow "Go Ahead." Once she has had time to plan it out, you are in for some mighty big trouble.

"Pleae Do"This is not a statement, it is a sick and twisted offer. The woman is giving you the chance to come up with an excuse for what you have done. In other words, a chance to get yourself into even more trouble. If you handle this correctly, you shouldn't get a "That's Okay."

"Thanks"The woman is thanking you. Don't faint and don't look for hidden meanings. Just say "you're welcome."

"Thanks a lot"This is dramatically different from "Thanks." A woman will say "Thanks A Lot" when she is really pissed off at you. It is usually followed by the Loud Sigh and signifies that you have hurt her in some callous way. Be careful not to ask what is wrong after the Loud Sigh, as she will only say, "Nothing."

[knallpilz]

My take/advice:

1.
Would you respect a woman, who did everything you asked of her, on your terms, if you pressured her enough? I know that I can't possibly know on whose terms you were sharing and showing vulnerability, but I sometimes suspect men to go all or nothing when it comes to being vulnerable. Like, strictly alternating between all or nothing. Couldn't blame women for being turned off by that. If you don't undershare most of the time, you won't have to overshare as much, when the time comes.
I'd also suspect women to be turned off by dudes who give in to their pressure too easily. I think men feel like men to women most, whenever they can compromise to their (women's) desires on their (men's) own terms. Don't take what she said word for word to behave in a way you're not actually comfortable with. Think about what she's looking for, and which parts of that you can offer her, and in what way.
Again, I don't know the actual situation (I'm not you and I'm not American - which I assume you are - so I can't really know the culture), and I may be way off here, but alternating between being a robot and being a little boy is not very masculine. Being your own thing, however, is.

That's not to say that women don't tend to say a lot of things without actually or literally meaning them, though. And it's not to say that women tend to not know what they want sometimes. Or even often. But then again, who does. :)

2.
Rating a girl x out of anything to their face is dumb. That's not an honest thing to say to a woman, that's just rude and stupid. You should definitely be honest, but being honest doesn't mean you can't think about how to put things. As if it's so hard to say something like "I mean, maybe you're not the type, tinder fboys tend to go for." Which may already be upsetting for her. Maybe she even asks you what you mean by that. Even then I would just say you couldn't possibly know, she'd have to ask those guys. Because in the end, you don't actually know, why other dudes aren't as into her as she'd want. All you told her is that you'd bang her, even though she's not that pretty. Which doesn't necessarily make you an asshole. But it does makes you sound boring and idiotic. At least in that moment. Which probably isn't the biggest turn on.

But even for smoother, more charming indiduals, this tell-me-the-truth-thing can be a problematic phenomenon.
I believe that seeing a woman upset as well es seeing yourself or merely feeling responsible for it, is one of the most upsetting things for men. And not easy to deal with. Because as soon as you show signs of being uncormfotable with having said what you said, you no longer look like someone who actually meant what they said. Which means in her eyes you're now someone who hurt her feeling for no good reason. If you mean it, stand by it. And, believe me, I know this is way easier said than done. But only say it, if you mean it. That's not to say you can't explain it further to make it clearer. Make disctinctions. Be honest if you don't know what to answer in a situation like that. Don't rush out an answer before you have one. And once you said it, and she's upset, let her be upset, don't try to "make up for it". This will make it look like you're trying to take it back. Again, like you didn't actually mean it. But if you had a reason, let her be upset, let her digest it, let her think about it, and let her get back to you, if she decides she can accept that.
I'm not saying all of this is going to guarantee you a overall positive outcome in the end. But it's the best shot you have. Maybe the only one. For most women, that is.

Feminine energies need masculine energies to contain them and vice versa. Sounds esoteric as hell but that's the best way to put it, I think. But once you try to control her feelings by either trying to not upset her or by bending over backwards to try to make her stop being mad at you, you'll slowly or quickly get out of that masculine energy/containment/whatever. And if your energy isn't masculine (either generally or in a specific regard), that's OK. That doesn't make you less of a man or more of a woman. But you need an appropriate match. Although I think that most men want/need the masculine part of that equation.

All I can say for number 3 is be patient. :D

But seriously, you mention some things that I do believe are problematic often enough, between men and women. But the examples you gave of your behavior are just... not the smartest things to say or do, man. You seem to be really stubborn. If you already know your behavior gets you in trouble in certain situations, change your behavior, or try to navigate towards different situations. Other types of women maybe, or men... who knows. :D

[Finchie40]

I agree because most women are selfish and hypocrites , they all say they want a nice guy that treats them right and treats them like a Queen , when they find that guy that does that for them she starts losing interest because now he isn’t a challenge for her , the only at she will be a Queen is if she treats him like a King , for a guy to keep a girls interest he has to play both sides , Good guy bad guy , and try to balance that in between , the second a girl knows her man truly loves her she will lose interest and be drawn to a guy that is more of a challenge , Girls always want opposite of what they already have , Girls are not content like guys are most girls have the grass is greener syndrome in them , the reason for that is because most girls have toxic girlfriends that feed their brain that all men are assholes , and will feed her brain that you aren’t good enough for her and tell them you need a better man and most girls are
Glued to their phones being bombarded by guys that want To bang then a girl doesn’t understand that guys are content We can stand in a driveway drinking beer and talking guy stuff and a girl won’t see any fun in that, she wants her guy to tell his friends to leave and to give her all his attention , the trick is don’t Give her what she wants , Playing hard to get is what keeps a girl interested , when she feels her man will be fine without her is what makes her want him , Girls will say this isn’t true and trust me it’s a bunch of bullshit , I experience this and witnessed this shit with so many girls , Girls are raised to be submissive to their men , When she feels she can dominate her man she will lose interest and be drawn to a guy that she feels can dominate her , spreading her legs for some douche bag. That is talking out of his ass , We can’t stop someone from cheating on us but we can make it clear we won’t tolerate it , if she wants to be a whore let her be a whore , Value yourself worth and realize you deserve a girl that wants to stand by your side and wants to be under the sheets with you , Not one that runs to the streets , WHORES , The only whore she should be is your whore

[Lookingforthetruth]

4. Women don't actually want marriage. Women want the grand sceptical and social media clout of the wedding day but when it comes time to actual marriage and being with your partner through the bad times, most women tend to dip out (hence 80% of divorce initiated by women).

5. Looks are far more important to women than personality. While women are often heralded as being the less superficial sex, its only in the context of women willing to sleep with/fuck a male if said male has high amount of status/money to compensate for his looks. While for men these things don't matter as much. Women will often create fictional version of what kind of person you are based on how you look and run with it.

6. Women love fuckboys. Despite the bitter shamming of women on social media about fuckboys, most girls love them. In fact, fuckboys is a term of endearment for men since a man being able to sleep with a ton of women is a skill (while for women its not an achievement at all). A male being a fuckboy boost his attractiveness quite greatly in the eyes of women. While men who get no play are looked at with disgust. Hence, why women love to use the term 'incel' at any male they have vitriol towards.

[Louis-1]

there are women like that, plenty of them

but no, you are overgeneralizing and besides your experiences all share a very particular context, they were all kind of loose, they were sleeping with tons of guys you included or had done so, that sort of situation does affect how you view yourself and how you view life and men and everything

your rant does bring forward something important for all the girls here, your bodycount does matter for serious relationships, not because we care about purity itsself, no, because we don't want to have to compete with ten, twenty, ... fuckboys, and because we just don't naturally trust you to be loyal, that can be mended if we just know you personally, but otherwise men who say they don't care are LYING

basically, be nuanced, I hate what social media and dating apps have done to us but I also think we can't remove these things and that it wil eventually correct itsself trough coming generations growing up with these things and being more resistant to the toxic side effects

[snackthatsmilesback]

Absolutely. I hate these type of people. Immature and uncommitted. That's why I stopped dating them. Cause if you can't be vulnerable around your partner, they are a shitty partner. Like on a sports team if someone needed backup, so they call for it, and instead of helping everyone just pulled away and watched them fall, well that's a pretty shitty team isn't it?

Anyway 2 seem kinda like miscommunication. Your truth isn't everybody's truth, because it's your opinion. So it's not that she doesn't want the truth, she's trying to find out your opinion of her, and if she doesn't like that then she doesn't wanna stay with you. Yeah it's sneaky and kinda hasty, but you can understand someone wanting to know whether you think they're ugly or low quality before they get into a relationship with you right? I wouldn't date someone who thought I was ugly. That's fucking horrible for your self image, tanks your confidence, all that bad shit.

And while yes, when she asks if she should do something she's probably just asking your opinion on her decision—whether or not you'll back her up, not your opinion about the problem or her decision making process—at this point that's just coming to you for backup. And that's fine but if it's only ever that, if she never lets you help her brainstorm the decision to begin with, then yeah that's a problem. Because then she probably thinks you're mean or stupid, and that's kinda shitty too. I don't date people who think I'm mean or stupid, causes the same issues.

[Summeroflove]

Women who are like this are immature and dumb. In fact they are girls... They aren't women. Men are not mind readers and if you can't communicate what you want then way are we even doing this?

If you ask me a question then you better want the answer.

The simple fact is... Many men pick shit women the same as many women pick shit men. They might be shit themselves or good people depending. Sometimes abusive behaviors come later down the road with both men and women.

There is no gender in this... There are men who are like this too.

Many "nice guys" are creepy not for being nice but since they are disingenuous and wanting sex...

My advice don't fuck around with women like this

[Deedee133]

Literally! It’s not a gender thing… it’s a certain people thing?

[D_Bone_Steak]

Women just want the butterflies and tingles. They'll chase that shit until some hard reality sets in and then all of a sudden they're done having fun and want to be serious.

If you're the nice guy, that's when they'll come after you. Especially if you've done well for yourself and have something to take.

What I just said might piss some women off because they feel like I'm blowing their cover. Others though have a father, a brother, or even a son that they love and they've watched them fall victim to it all and can at least empathize.

Disclaimer: Not all women

[Billlewis]

This is absolutely one of the best writings I've ever come across, regarding the paradox of what women purport themselves to desire, versus the kinds of guys they gravitate to over and over again, seemingly unwilling or unable to break the unending cycle of futility.

However, we should also remember that we're all human beings and not without flaws, blemishes and imperfections. I've dealt with some of the personality types that the author described above, and I ultimately decided to capitulate, to surrender to the overwhelming advantage, leverage and position of status that women, collectively now hold in today's society. In other words, if being a submissive little wimp is the most suitable role for me to adopt, then I'll acquiesce to the conditions, prerequisites and demands, however unreasonable they may be, and serve the female.

[Billlewis]

I know I just recently commented on this discussion, but this guy just absolutely nails it -- and I don't think he's trying to be negative towards women or criticize them; the situation is what it is, and if I'm honest with myself, I think it's actually tremendously exciting... I'm the nice guy who never gets his dick wet, by the way.

[SkyCastle90]

1. You're right. One of the reasons men are attractive because they're men. We say we want a sensitive man, but in actuality we want a man who can understand how women think and know what to do.

Read: Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus

2. This really depends on the women you're choosing to be with. Stand back and really look at the type of women you're attracted to and find a way to date outside your comfort zone.

3. Sounds like a communication/maturity issue.

[Summeroflove]

Men are not mind readers... So good luck. You can speak for yourself not all women are like you.

[SkyCastle90]

@Summeroflove

Never said men have to be mind readers. We just need to learn to understand each other, which is why I post a book as a starting point.

[Summeroflove]

Yeah that is true. But I’m saying if you just want men and some women are like this and so are some men. Communication.

[devilish-cutie]

1. noone of those girls actually likes you for you, the relatioship seems to be based on more superficial things than deep

2. most people dont want to hear the truth cause they would get offended, truth generally hurts when its negative so one should be very careful with delivery and timing

3. they just wanted the support , reassurance, not you telling them you know better

The thing is that you dont really get how women function, as many women dont get how men function. Eg. for point 3. you see you offered solution and you think a woman doesn't want any advice. But you dont get why and what is it she wants. She has a solution, she just wants support for someone to tell her its okay to do as she wants. men dont get this as they are more independant and dont usually seek emotional reassurance so they dont get it. Women will take advice when they want one.

[Summeroflove]

Yeah men display this behavior too. Some do. Some women don't. If you ask a question then you better want the answer or don't ask. A lot of people on here... don't get that. They don't get the answers they want to hear and flip shit

[devilish-cutie]

@Summeroflove sometimes there is nor right/wrong answer but both solutions can be fine, you may try to understand someone else's point of view before you shut their opinion down, especially about sensitive topics

[William7489]

There’s a lot of truth to what you say. As a person who’s a little bit older, I’ve seen more than enough examples to tell you that more often than not what you say is accurate. Sadly nice guys just don’t project the confidence, power and masculinity that women Are attracted to. True, they will settle for other guys as they get older but the mentality doesn’t necessarily change. Secondly, many women I know get very frustrated with men because a lot of men sadly are tone deaf. They’re just not paying attention to what’s going on in the relationship. They don’t feel like they should have to tell their partner, boyfriend or husband what’s “wrong“. I’ll admit a lot of women do like chaos and that’s hard to deal with but if you are paying attention to the health of your relationship, you should be OK. Dating is hard. Relationships are harder. Just remember that.

[Lookingforthetruth]

lol its women fault if they can't meet their partner half way in honest communication. Your partner is not a mind reader. You should address your issues honestly if you feel they are being ignored. And find a common path where any concerns can be addressed as soon as possible and not allowed to fester.

[MikeInHawaii]

I’ve said for years, as much as men lie to women, they lie to themselves more. Men say they’re going to a fraternity party to get drunk and get laid. Women use euphemisms.

One more occasion not to tell the truth: A woman asked him, “Do you think I’m easy?”

He answered, “No, you’re in my bedroom, drunk and naked, three hours after we met, and I think you’re going to be a challenge!”

[Anonymous]

Number one is huge. Admittedly I am more emotional and sensitive than the average guy. When I was younger I was told by women that’s “good” and it’s NOT. Not at all.

The real reason they say that it because when they see a man being sensitive/emotional it just gives them relief because they the man as being relatable like another woman. They don’t find it attractive though. 9 out of 10 times they will end up friendzoning guys like this. Most of the time they don’t realize how extremely insulting that is.

[Anonymous]

Women can get mad, call you an incel and claim that you’re just talking to the wrong women, that’s just more emotionally-driven nonsense.

We’ve all seen it first-hand. They might as well be asking us:

I will also say though, don’t be stupid and hate women for being this way. It’s just the way they’re wired, and it’s not that big of a problem if you understand these things. It’s only a problem when you’re naive enough to take them at their word. You can’t trust their words, you can always trust them to act like women.

If you want someone who you can have a good cry with, who wants honesty, and who you can have a logical conversation with, become a pole smoker and get yourself a boyfriend instead I guess.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

great article brother!

1. you are extremely right about women not wanting you to be vulnerable. the thing is they want you to be inhuman enough to not get hurt by anything but just a little emotional enough for them to control your ass. if you are 100% invulnerable then that means they will have no control over you

2. yeah they hate the truth so damn much. I find it ironic how whenever a girl gets her heart broken after a hookup and the guy ghosts her she then starts to bitch and whine on how they wish men were more "honest." yet ironically they never give men who are honest to them from the start a chance. is like they love being lied to

3. yeah I agree, they never want your opinion. they just ask for it in order to challenge your ego or to see if your views actually align with hers

till then I hope @Subarugirl sees this. since for some odd reason she denies that good women drool over bad boys

[KneeDragger]

Girls are different than guys, no matter what anyone tells you.

If you don’t like to just hookup and want something more, go somewhere other than Tinder. If that’s all you want is sex, tell them on your profile (I don’t have an account and I honestly don’t care enough to investigate).

As for number three complaint, girls want to be heard. Guys want to solve problems; it’s how we’re wired. It’s hard to just listen, it takes effort.

[fembotnpc777]

Female solipsism does exist, but the problem is these opinions are tainted by the only pool of women that men like you form relationships with, sluts and crackwhores. Men say they want a chaste trad wife, and I never see them actually pursuing it. So, the more a woman puts out the more partners she has, the more she apparently represents the majority of women.