Advice for Guys: Avoid Unclean Women

[ManOnFire]

Let me tell you a story about a girl I used to know, who actually turns out to be a few years older than me but who lied about her age because she looked very young, even younger than myself, and a lot of people often think I’m still in my 20s. I’ll just call her Angela to protect her privacy of course. She is a real person and this is a real story. It is a bit long but bear with me.

Many years ago I used to work with Angela (DISCLAIMER: this is not a relationship or co-worker sex story), which was how I got to know her. Angela seemed like a pretty cool girl in the beginning, showed me the ropes at work, and we always chatted and even exchanged numbers and followed each other on Facebook. This was back in the Lost Days of people having more human interaction, when men and women could freely and openly talk to each other without someone getting all weird about it, and without some jealous customer complaining or a manager saying something to you about it. One of our managers even suggested we should date since we seemed to click so well, but for some reason there was always something that made me not want to go that far with Angela.

Back then I thought she was one of the coolest people I ever met. I would also speak Spanish to her sometimes since she was Hispanic and she thought that was cool. One time I even texted her for advice when I went to a Latin night club, it was my first time and everyone was staring at me lol. I remember one day we were heading to the bus stop after work and she was telling me about her messed up childhood back in her home country, and she pulled out a cigarette. I had no idea she smoked until I saw that. That conversation was my first serious glimpse into her and it kind of put more pieces together about her later on.

Then another time I happened to get on the bus at the train station that she was also on. She waved to me and I went to the back to sit with her. We talked on the ride, with me telling her about my plans and goals for a better life at that time. I remember how closely she was listening to me and said, “You seem like a guy who’s really put-together” or “has his head on his shoulders,” something like that she said. Of course back then, as the inexperienced guy that I was, I did not realize until later that her flattery was her trying to court me for sex. Since I didn’t pick up on it, she got bored with talking to me after a while.

Another mutual female co-worker of ours had also tried the exact same thing with me when I took the bus home with her one day also, but again, being the inexperienced guy that I was I did not realize these things until much later. Growing up, I was taught that girls don’t look for casual sex, so their signals didn’t look like it to me.

The awakening began

By now, I started to see what kind of girl Angela was. Not the one I thought with my pure, inexperienced brain. I later discovered that she was a drug user, and was even sleeping with someone’s husband. As time went on, I also noticed the way Angela became seemingly annoyed with me when all I ever was to her was a loyal friend, even standing up for her when her name was getting dragged through the mud. When we bumped into each other around town, she acted like she didn’t want to talk and had to run. Whenever I tried to help her at work, she would just brush me off.

After a while I just chalked it up as her being a sleazy girl who thought a guy like me was too nerdy and innocent for her to want to be around. But as I pondered why she seemed to change over time, I came to realize it was because she couldn’t get any drugs or sex from me, what another female co-worker had also confirmed when I talked to her about it.

I could begin to figure out that Angela liked to sleep around and party and whatnot. She had even told me about a young guy she hooked up with who got obsessed and she didn’t want to see him anymore. I hate to say it, but she was also your typical single mom always sleeping with some guy and still wanting a lifestyle that she should’ve outgrown a long time ago. I could also gather from her social media posts how incredibly unsettled she was with her life and her inner self. Always posting about God, always talking about church, yet never really sticking with any of it, never truly being serious about it. She seemed to think the whole world was against her and wanted to ditch people. She was one of those girls who always needed to move on to new things, new people, and new jobs, forever in search of a new beginning yet never finding it.

Later on, Angela stopped coming to work and we all wondered why. She didn’t call out either. Eventually we found out she’d been in the hospital from her drug use. She did recover and our boss wanted her to come back to work, but she never did, she just quit while she was out instead. About a year or two later, I ran into her at a shopping center with some of her family. She looked happy and healthy and happy to see me, until I asked what she was doing now, to which she didn’t really want to answer and then did what she used to: had to run. I could understand of course, a casual question you ask any old friend, co-worker, acquaintance, etc. seemed intrusive to someone like her, and she wanted to stay private. I got that.

That was the last time I ever saw her.

Fast forward to now and recently I saw her on social media with what looked to be a newer account. She looks a little older but better now, yet somewhat frighteningly devilish, and now lost in the wacky world of mixed up religion, mysticism, and New Age-ism, like a woman still trying to find herself after all these years. I’ve seen that with so many of them, and I often wonder how long a person can go on in the same way until a serious change has to happen. If it ever does.

Avoid unclean women

I’ve often talked on GaG about the importance of guys being aware of the kinds of women in the world, and this is why I do. Because of ones like Angela and others I’ve met along the way. I know another one right now who is also a bit older than me who I could always tell slept around. We too used to be friends and then just kind of slacked off. And she too still seems to be lost in life and love, too old to be in a “finding myself” kind of mode.

A lot of women pretend to be clean and wholesome to a man but are actually living unclean lifestyles they keep hidden, and half of them have messed up histories or childhoods that they never really worked through. Many of them just go through life sleeping with different men, getting a kid from them, getting into drugs, are in and out of churches and sleeping with men there too, or they get caught up in the occult and witchcraft, thinking they can get a final partner through love spells, or just thinking that the world of sorcery, “energies,” meditation, and crystals will be the thing they need in their lives. I’ve seen it. They’re restless women, always trying to fill an empty void, forever on a path that will destroy their soul.

Many guys are not being taught by their parents to be aware of these things, and if you were growing up in my generation then you were taught it even less. Guys are often raised to believe that anything that seems negative about women is “misogynist,” even if it’s the very real truth that is helpful and can protect them from going after the wrong women. So what happens is a lot of guys end up doing just that. Sometimes they either can’t come back from it or they do, and then tell you how it was a serious learning lesson for them. Guys often get fooled by a woman acting or appearing to be “nice” but they are not really nice people the more you get to know them.

Why this is important

When I talk about unclean women I am not just talking about their promiscuous activities or lifestyles, I am talking about their hearts and intentions. That is actually the main thing. As I said earlier, many women pretend purity and wholesomeness to a man in the hopes that he will be attracted and think she is decent, but deep down their hearts are dirty. They are controlling, seek to manipulate you emotionally, desire the wrong things, are dishonest, greedy, full of envy and murder, and are very often the same “narcissists” they say so many of their bad exes were yet they still desire unclean men in turn.

My advice to guys is to learn to read a girl’s intentions, and discern between what she says and what she does. This goes for both sexes, but it’s important to understand about girls because they often say all kinds of things they think you want to hear or they think it’s what they’re supposed to say, but their actions tell you the real truth. And seriously get to know her for a good long while. Don't be like the majority of people who jump into relationships out of excitement or because they're desperate not to be single anymore, you can and will end up with more heartache than you started with.

This subject is so important to me because when I was young I too was one of those guys who had to learn a lesson (not with Angela), and saw other guys go through the same thing. So now as an adult man who has had more experience with women, gained life skills, and is not so quick to start dating someone like many other people do, I want other guys to learn the things no one told them. We are living in a world that wants to teach men the lies of “male loneliness” to make them feel or look insecure or inferior to women about sex and dating, instead of teaching them the truth about the real world. But I hope my story here was helpful for the guys out there.

Take care

Further reading Women Got Angry Because Men Started Learning

Why Men Keep Being Weak With Women

[blueonblack22]

Good stuff bro! Here are few big takeaways from this:

1) You mentioned the intent of these women’s hearts vs. their actions. And this is about female ego which I believe is far worse and intransigent then male ego. Women (especially “modern” women) are far less likely to own up to their crap and take accountability for their mistakes. Not all but a high percentage of them believe that admitting fault = admitting defeat.

I can seriously forgive, overlook and even date a formerly promiscuous and/or addiction recovered woman. However this is IF and only IF she takes full accountability for her past mistakes. No making up excuses, blaming other people or self justifying her bs.

2) The part about “lost in the wacky world of mixed up religion, mysticism, and New Age-ism”. This is because these women don’t have Jesus. And they are trying to fill the void with someone else. I’ve been seeing a lot of women getting involved with witchcraft lately. Whether it’s for show or if they really believe in it we both know what the Bible says about that.

3) Men weren’t taught to watch out for this. Absolutely 110% true. Our generation (born in the 80s) was the worst about this too. We are the very end of the old school generation. Many of us where raised by “old school chivalry” parents who naively raised boys to be “nice to all women” because they were supposedly all delicate and special. I respect my dad but he was absolutely horrible about this growing up.

I also believe “modern” women hijacked this for their own ends in the past few decades. I called it hijacked chivalry. It has enabled women to demand the best of both worlds (equal but special). Especially the “unclean” women you are talking about.

However I am not against women getting second chances to start anew. I’m not perfect myself so I don’t expect them to be either.

But it all comes down to them taking true accountability vs. just pretending to “change” just because they care only about their reputation / optics vs what is legitimately right or wrong. There is a difference.

[ManOnFire]

Yes, absolutely correct. I wanted to tell this story so that guys can get an idea of what I'm often talking about on here with a solid example. A lot of young guys today don't really have that much interaction or experience with females out there so they may not really know what to look out for, so that's why I told the story.

One of the most attractive things to me is a woman who acknowledges that she made mistakes in her past and ABANDONDED them, not made excuses for them or has even tried to ignore them. And those mistakes don't need to be sexual either. I wouldn't want to date a woman with a "no regrets" attitude because it would mean she would never regret anything between us moving forward together either.

[blueonblack22]

“I wouldn't want to date a woman with a "no regrets" attitude”

Yep that’s exactly it. Also we can’t expect to be forgiven if we don’t forgive ourselves. I’m no saint (you know about some of my bs) but I won’t try to self justify it or dismiss it either.

But the ego problem women have is beyond unhinged nowadays. Not all of them way too many of them. Men can have this problem too but we don’t stay in denial until we are in our 50s or older about it. We usually take accountability far sooner. And we are expected to accept the negative consequences of our actions. We don’t get shoulders to cry on.

It’s really about the disgusting feminist “all women are victims so it’s okay to not fight fair”. It’s a zero gain attitude. It’s perpetual adolescence.

It’s got to stop. Because when men fail then WOMEN ultimately fail. You need to point out how it ultimately hurts them.

[blueonblack22]

For future reference I would summarize how you had a humane viewpoint of this woman you knew earlier.

You were trashing her quite a bit and it was a long post. Not to say she’s completely vindicated. She’s still struggling but seems that a part of her really wants to change. But she’s not going about the right path all the way.

But bring up the understanding angle earlier but also highlight the fact that understandable isn’t the same thing as acceptable. Also the difference between true remorse (I made my bed and it now time to lay in it) vs. “yes I did wrong but others wronged me too. So it’s okay” bs.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[ManOnFire]

That's right. The vast majority of men will talk to you about their past mistakes, how they were stupid when they were young, how they cheated on a past lover and realized how much they fucked up and lost a good woman, etc. You will almost never hear a woman say the same things about their past mistakes. So the ego thing is their learning lesson. The more you run from the truth and run from introspection, the more you just make your path harder and faultier.

Meh, I said both good and bad things about her. The message is still there.

[blueonblack22]

Yep. We get held accountable (as we should be). There are a small minority of men who never take accountability but that’s because 1) they have lots of money / power 2) they are true sociopaths that know how to manipulate.

But even those guys eventually get called out. The very beginning #metoo was doing that (before it got deranged).

But back to the posts. I think there are only two effective methods we can take with “modern” women.

1) first hear them out (which is I know is hard). They need to know they are being listen to no matter how insufferable it is. After they feel listened to THEN focus on how their actions are harming THEM. Only focus on that. Don’t bring up how they harmed men because the vast majority of them either don’t care or worse are “proud” of harming men.

2) Deny all attention. Especially if this is a woman you interact with in person. When I hear them bringing up Marxist phrases like “misogyny” or “patriarchy” in casual conversation then I immediately put up a boundary with them. Instant red flag. I will say “hi” and “goodbye” but absolutely no more engagement beyond that.

Because I know that trying to reason / argue with them is actually what they want. They want to say “you see patriarchy still exists” and feel like a victim. In fact they want negative attention more than positive. Because it validates their deranged ideology.

And I noticed the only time those women would engage (politely) with my countervailing POV is because and only because they were interested in me I had this happen a few years ago with a leftist feminist. She seemed completely open minded to my POV. Turns out she thought I was “cute” and just waned to f*ck me. Which is fine. But the real question is would she had been open minded to a serious discussion if she did NOT find me attractive at the time. 99.99% chance she would label, insult and not care about a thing I had to say.

[ManOnFire]

"Because I know that trying to reason / argue with them is actually what they want... In fact they want negative attention more than positive. Because it validates their deranged ideology."
- This^ And I think it's because of their adversarial nature. Women like being disagreeable on purpose. It's from their need to try to manipulate people or stir up tension in them.

It's do crazy how we see the same things.

[blueonblack22]

We need self control dealing with them. It’s tough though.

There is another recent post on GAG where a pink anon went off on a lengthy diatribe on how she hates white men. She was mixing her lack of physical attraction for them with racist character attacks (likebility = respect for women) She also never admitted what race she was (I’m guessing she’s white herself).

Maybe it’s rage bait. But I started commenting on it. I was initially calm in response. She’s not attracted to white guys? That’s fine. But go off on racist rants…that’s NOT okay. But then she doubled down in her hate. And that point I realize I was really dealing with projection. She hates herself so she wants to hate other people. It invalidated all her earlier deranged rants and insults. Because she is proving that SHE is the problem.

Case in point always take a step back and realize what you are dealing with. That woman wants other people to be miserable because she’s miserable. Either that she’s doing this for “social kudos” in her (isolated) social circle.

[OlderAndWiser]

Your story should provide an education to many young men. For many (but certainly not all) men, if we have sex with a woman, we start having feelings for them, and we want to move forward and solidify the relationship. That leads to sick relationships and entanglements with women who are bad partners. The way to avoid this is to not rush in to a sexual relationship with a woman.

Forget the three-date rule or any other rule about when to "expect" sex. Stay at the level of holding hands and a goodnight kiss until you feel that your conversation with a woman is candid, unfiltered, not censored. Wait until a woman feels comfortable revealing the dark spots from her past. When you feel that you have both lowered your defenses and are communicating honestly. . . then becoming more physical may be the next step.

[ManOnFire]

Absolutely correct.

[OlderAndWiser]

Thanks for MHO!

[Levin]

Good take. I know your take is not all about promiscuity, but I always avoid promiscuous women. All since the age of 15 when the first threw herself at me, offering sex. More recently there was one at work. After I cottoned on, of course, I shut her out and was disgusted. Men are too weak and are reasonably happy as long as they can put it somewhere warm and wet. Men need to have self-respect too, and avoid these types of women.

Sadly, a lot of men are not educated, even in the most basic ways, about the true nature of women. A lot of it stems from this whole rose coloured spectacles that has taken root in the last decade or so. In short it works like this: Women are imbued with moral goodness, good intentions and righteousness; men the opposite. And if anything fucks up, it's always the man at fault. A woman can do no wrong, and if she sleeps around, she's just a liberated baby. If she makes poor choices, such as dating total fucktards, getting impregnated with myriad baby daddies. Don't worry though, because if they do, they will be bailed out be the state. We worked out that one particular woman, when combined her wage and the benefits she gets for her three children, all different fathers, is roughly the same, after tax, as our executive directors who earn £85000 per year (average salary is something like £35000 here).

Fuck that shit. I fight against this nonsense at work. They get pissed off when I call a spade a spade.

[ManOnFire]

Exactly. Men are not taught to see the truth. Even many of their own moms were sleazy users as young women.

[Summeroflove]

This is why people need to be careful Angela probably had the potential to choose a better life for herself but she didn’t. These people feel entitled and it’s easy to build a fantasy around someone you don’t know without knowing how they really think or feel.

It takes time to genuinely get to know someone and people can’t control their past what happened to them isn’t their fault. What is their fault is what they do in their adult lives they are responsible and accountable for their choices as a adult no matter what excuse or justifications they use plenty of people have messed up childhoods grew up to be great people and people with good childhood bad. It depends on the person you choose to be.

Not all women are good people just like not all men are good. People are young and dumb and inadvertently pick bad partners. Because some people can seem really cool when you first meet them until you get to know them and you’re like ehhh something about this person is off. But they don’t want to see it…. They don’t want admit they are wrong and are so wrapped up emotionally and at some point have invested so much into a person and a relationship they can’t let it go.

Manipulative people for a time can pretend to be anyone they think you want them to be but most people can’t keep the act up long term much less after you’re married. If someone feels like a relationship is moving too fast that’s an issue. If it’s moving too slow that is as well.

[ManOnFire]

One thing I learned is that many people, especially women, walk through life using their wounds as reasons - or excuses - for why they are messed up or do messed up things. Life requires responsibility, and they don't want to deal with that.

[MrChinaski]

Thank you for your very generous sharing of your experience. It is a cautionary tale.

I don't know. I trust my gut with people and have only ever found myself in relationships with amazing, honest, genuine women. I don't think I want to change that.

But I do appreciate your contribution. Thanks.

[ManOnFire]

My gut is what kept me from ever dating Angela like our boss had suggested. Something about her just wasn't all the way right, that's why I could only ever get close enough to her as a friend. My hunch was telling me something more was going on with her that I didn't want to get too deep with.

Have had the same gut sense with other women down the road as well. One of them was my biggest mistake, somehow she got passed my radar and I didn't see the surprise until later. There's always one that get's through the sensors. Most guys do not have the sixth sense like I do, and were not taught to recognize women's behaviors and dead give-aways. I want them to learn from experiences like this.

[Anonymous]

100% great take, just like the other two you linked.

I laughed hysterically when I read this response from a female here: "Guys should be going for girls that are on their level." <--This coming from a member of the hypergamous sex. Apparently it's okay for women to do it, but not for men. Hilarious!

@Apple1996

[ManOnFire]

Lol. Yeah Apple is a funny one, but at least she is being her real self even if I don't agree. Realness is what I appreciate it.

[Apple1996]

Oh men are definitely hypergamous but in a different way. They date up in terms of looks. Its extremely common to see a fat/bald dude with a complete baddie. Men never date on their own level of attractiveness.

[ManOnFire]

@Apple1996 "Its extremely common to see a fat/bald dude with a complete baddie."
- What made her choose him?

[Apple1996]

Women in love will by pass all of a man's issues, looks, etc

[ManOnFire]

@Apple1996 I highly doubt many woman would date a fat bald dude because she liked him physically or loved his personality.

[Apple1996]

Oh youd be surprised. Women let their emotions control them. They will stay with terrible men just because they love them

[exitseven]

I have had relationships that took a pretty bizarre path. I look at it as a learning experience. I do think of these people sometimes and really do not know how they ended up. I hope that their lives turned out good but somehow I doubt it.

[ManOnFire]

Their lives will never turn out good until they realize the path they're on/the way they've been living is wrong and self-destructive.

[exitseven]

@ManOnFire some people grow up and some people just get olderr/

[Staximus]

She probably had a fucked up childhood and used drugs, sex, and religion to forget about it. She was always looking for a new beginning and distraction because she was trying to run away from her past, but you can’t run away from yourself.

[ManOnFire]

Exactly. And I think she mentioned once about the relationships her mom was in and out of too. Whenever a girl's mom has a whorish past - or even present - you can almost always guarantee it will pass down to the daughter (s) as well. Seen that too.

[Anonymous]

Haha Ok so a woman tricking a man to get in bed with her is a shocker of a crime but

Haven't men been doing this to women for decades already?

Trust me, if you are hot enough but I'm not interested in you. I would definitely trick you to get in bed with me. Not many women would admit they would do this. But I can admit it since I'm a anon

[ManOnFire]

Classic case of a woman's selective listening problem here. I don't think you read the whole Take, and if you did I don't think you perceived it correctly. This had nothing to do with a woman trying to trick a man into bed, that is merely a side detail of the situation. The message is about men needing to avoid women with unclean intentions, which I noted are about the heart more than their sexual activities.

"Trust me, if you are hot enough but I'm not interested in you. I would definitely trick you to get in bed with me."
- It is a little bit sad that this is what you got out of the entire message and felt like you should try to show what you could do as a woman concerning sex. It kind of proves everything I was saying.

[Opinion Owner]

I didn't bother reading your entire BS rant because you reek of hypocrisy.

[Opinion Owner]

Women with unclean intentions is suddenly a huge shocker to you? Men have been doing it to women for centuries without consequences including impregnation women then leaving them to raise the kid all on her own

Go fuck yourself

[Opinion Owner]

When men do wrong against women, nobody says a word. When a woman does a man wrong, he sets the whole world on fire

[blueonblack22]

OP. This post is obviously not “pro modern woman” but you failed to read it all through. He shows a humane understanding towards this woman towards the end. That’s not the same as excusing her past actions though. Understandable isn’t the same thing as acceptable.

He also points out this woman was trying to change but she still hasn’t found anything solid (she needs God). He see the improvement from her past life. But she is still in denial about her issues. So that is where the INTENT matters. Men are actually more disgusted with a woman’s ATTITUDE towards their past indecencies vs. the actual incident in itself. It’s the ego and lack of accountability.

THAT is why there so many so called “misogynists” out there. It’s about modern women wanting equal rights but not equal responsibilities. It’s the lack of accountability women have for their bs is what we can’t stand.

[Summeroflove]

Ma’am you need to calm down. Something in this has triggered you because you must see something in yourself.

If he’s so wrong. Then why do you care? If someone tries telling me the sky is red I’m not going to get mad at them. It’s like okay cool and move on

[Summeroflove]

If you disagree or think he’s wrong. Move on….. why get emotionally involved

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 obviously there’s bad men and women. Some are better at hiding it than others. Some people can compartmentalize as well.

Women choose to be good or bad. I don’t want women to be FORCED to act any certain way because people will fake it and you won’t be with someone genuine the only act a certain way but aren’t really that wayb

[blueonblack22]

@Summeroflove there are more immediate and real consequences for bad male behavior (as there should be). But women get more cushion for it. For example is statistically proven that women get more lenient sentence for the exact same crimes that men commit.

There is a difference. Deep down many of these women know it but don’t want to own up to it. They want to cling on to “being special”

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 well I think generally women should be held to the same standard as men are. Obviously the extent of injuries from DV should make a difference in charges and sentencing.

The type of women you’re referring to definitely know how to manipulate some are more conscious of it then others. Some may really feel special.

[blueonblack22]

@Summeroflove it’s really not these women in themselves. It’s our CULTURE that enables and encourages this disgusting behavior is what I have a problem with.

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 enabling someone only shows a persons true colors. It shows integrity if someone can get away with something they know is wrong yet they do it anyways. They are responsible for their actions.

And it’s a good thing. When you can see someone for who they really are

[blueonblack22]

@Summeroflove you got a point there. I recently had someone do this in a business relationship. Cheap POS exploited me because he could not because he should. But in the long run I completely outmaneuvered him.

But investing time and emotional energy into women who do this is a different story. Much more tricky (is she just sh*t testing or does she have no respect for me). Burns longer. And there is feeling of being taken advantage that burns far deeper in romance. Double whammy: you got burned AND you are considered a “chump” for letting it happen (especially if you are a man).

But I know what you are saying. But still so many (not all but too many) western women take advantage of this dynamic simply because they can vs. if they should.

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 that’s the issue as well is that some women (and men can do this to women) pretend to be anyone they think a man wants they learn what to say, when to say it; and how to say it. She gets him very emotionally attached fast.

Then at some point the guy puts up with it because he excuses her behavior as going through a phase. It’s just hormones. Oh women do this too….. because they don’t want to admit it. Then the relationship goes south.

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 the truth is that users are very rarely going to be honest about what they want. If a woman’s honest she wants money… She isn’t wasting anyone’s time.

But a lot of those women know the majority of men aren’t going to pick them much less men who are physically attracted to them. They aren’t going to say they want money. They’re gonna make him fall for her.

Some women are whiney and demanding up front and any dude who tolerates that is

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 at the same time you can’t expect anyone to be perfect all the time. The difference between a woman who’s disrespectful and just human behavior is that she feels genuinely bad if she hurts you or disrespects you. She doesn’t do it intentionally everyone has bad days and sure women have hormonal issues. But she’s not going to intentionally take it out on you and excuse her behavior away.

Also this whole is she shit testing? If she’s clearly acting a certain way on purpose red flag.

[blueonblack22]

@Summeroflove the thing is I ACCEPT that a woman’s brain is biologically hard wired for self preservation (selfishness). I accept that she feels those instincts. Just like most men have instincts to procreate with as many women as possible, I also accept she has evolutionary instincts to seek someone who can provide (money).

But what I do NOT accept is a how society gives women a free pass to indulge those selfish impulses. However at the same time society condemns and demonizes men when they indulge their negative instincts. That’s what I have a problem with. Women don’t called on it nor held to level of accountability as men are when it comes to indulging negative impulses. And she only owns up to her mistakes if there is still something in it for her (doesn’t want the guy to leave, worried about what other people think of her, etc.). But men are more likely to own to our mistakes out of general principle. Regardless if it benefits us or not to admit we did wrong.

And I truly believe women see men as expendable. They however can demand to be “special” just existing. It’s something most of them don’t understand or worse do understand but want to deny it. Because they think acknowledging that privilege will make to go away. It actually makes the animosity worse when they deny it.

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 women have free will and self control. People have two sides the flesh and the spirt. People can choose which they give into and which one they don’t.

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 opportunity simply exposes a persons true colors

[blueonblack22]

@Summeroflove they do but they also have unchecked privileges that are being abused in modern times. And the irony is it ultimately makes THEM miserable. Nobody is truly happy being selfish (unless you are a sociopath)

I don’t “hate” women just for existing. But I absolutely hate our “modern” culture. It’s seducing women into being self destructive. And statistically it’s showing too. Singlehood rates are at record highs.

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 utilimatly it makes that type of woman miserable…. And unless she’s willing to genuinely look at her life and change (some people do) then it will stay that way.

I don’t hate women either I’ve met some absolutely amazing women and overall women haven’t been like that in my experience. Sure, some have but that doesn’t negatively affect my view of women as a whole

[Summeroflove]

@blueonblack22 at the end of the day. If a woman’s like that and despite seeing her own consequences doubled down. It’s on her

[Apple1996]

This was a lot of words for just trying to say that women are dirty whores and to stay away from them 🤣

[ManOnFire]

Lol. Not quite. It's about staying away from the BAD ones and learning to recognize their behaviors. Truly upright, decent girls are easy to see, and that's who guys should be going for.

[Apple1996]

Guys should be going for girls that are on their level. If the guy is a whore then he deserves a whore. If a guy is a pure virgin himself then its reasonable for him to want a pure girl

[ManOnFire]

That really does not matter. If everyone went for everyone else who was entirely on their level then no one would ever really gain anything in life.

[Apple1996]

The only thing to gain for 2 people coming together is a healthy relationship. Which if they aren't on the same level sexually it will not be a healthy relationship. Virgins are better left to other virgins

[DuSith]

I could agree with this. My problem is that many men are out there hunting for girls to ruin. I mean that literally, by the way. It's almost like sadism where they not only use her body but they abuse her mentally and emotionally. I can honestly say that I've never met a woman who wasn't abused.

[Apple1996]

@DuSith sad but true

[ManOnFire]

@DuSith Women hunger for these very men. They are attracted to guys who are unclean like them and who don't love them or care. These are the very men women will run after and think they can change or win him over.

[Danzigdawson]

What a weird, secondhand, narrow understanding of human interaction. You claim to be 39?

[Alex-Snow]

You bring up some good points. Thanks! I'm sure there are some guys who might also fit that pattern.

[LC75LC71]

Good god, you take forever to tell a story! I figured a woman wrote this as well..

[ManOnFire]

Haha sorry. I did say it would be a bit long.

[Honeyateleven]

Maybe she found out your hidden agenda.. that you're a serial cheater

[ManOnFire]

The irony in that is that she was the one sleeping with a married man.

[DonaldDarko]

Don't stick your dick in crazy.