Behind personal anecdote, there are way too many variations in life circumstance to be able to determine quality of life based on gender. In any case we all love in a world where most people are truly powerless and even those with power are at the mercy of unclear weapons even when and or esp bc of the fact , they have 1000 times as many as anyone else.
We don’t live in a world where people have any real power most people love humoring unbearable lives. That’s why so Koch taje is silent discussing rights. If human beings had power over their lives , human rights would be superfluous.
I don’t see why gender is important or meaningful in any way, as long as we are all under the threat of nuclear anhilation. As long as someone can pull a trigger on the world, no one is free, ever. And life is a prison sentence.
I love how girls won't explain whether they have it harder or easier than men only to default on the "meh both have issues" excuse. Try being falsely accused of rape and being called out for being violent rapists by the media.
Ladies if you're cute and pretty all you have to do is sign up on twitch and play video games. Lonely losers with cash will shower you with the easiest money to earn.
Even average looking women have it far easier than men. Even Ugly women have it easy unless they're obese and gross.
Literally all you have to do to succeed is be great at looking beautiful and natural, work out and eat healthy. Soon your getting a free ride through life even for average women. Men due to the high standards for us have to work much much more harder to succeed while taking huge risks.
The suicide rate is 4 times higher for men than women. That alone should paint a clear picture of who has it worse in life
You can't fucking tell me that men don't have it worse than women.
And again with the looking beautiful thing. See, some women get to be born with a pretty face, and they have it easy. But some just don't get that, and they ain't getting shit
What do ugly women have easier? I ain't getting any free stuff and I'm not treated better just because I'm a woman because I'm not attractive. One of my girl friends who is very pretty was crying lately that she hasn't been approached by anyone since last two months, and she is so used to getting male attention and always being in some relationship. Well guess what, I have never been approached by anyone, let alone having a boyfriend, and I can't even get laid because I wasn't born with hourglass shape and my cheekbones aren't high. I can only watch all the pretty girls around me getting benefits and compliments, while I don't differ from also not a handsome man
Are you overweight? If so that is your fault. I haven't been approached either and i dont think i look ugly.
Besides you have better job prospects to fill fucking diversity quotas you do have more powers in court and you probably would get laid if you made the first move and approached men.
No I'm not fat, and even I was fat AND had an hourglass figure I would get lots of men because that's all they care about. If you're a woman, it doesn't matter if you are chubby, average or skinny - if you have rectangular shape you don't get shit, and if you have hourglass shape you won
Well then your standards are too high id love to have a girlfriend even if she was a bit chubby and with a rectangular shape. Unless you look like fucking thor men get even less.
Do you ever have to worry about being drafted? How about dying at work?
You'll never have to lay in bed awake at night thinking of the horrors of war and wondering if you would have to be forced to give your life in the most gruesome and horrible ways fighting in wars you dont understand or care about alongside your friends.
Typical of you to pick easy desk jobs while we have to tar your roads shingle your roof pull oil and natural resources out of the earth. When a ditch has to be dug women are nowhere in sight yet women complain about being underpaid while we have to risk our lives building and maintaining civilization while also putting food on the table for our families.
Sure a man could do paperwork as well but women don't do our hard labour. As a woman you even have better access to jobs due to affirmative action. You cunts have it easy. I wish i could be reborn as a woman to escape this shitty lonely life.
Couldn't have said it better myself, woman these days want equal rights, equal pay blah blah blah but they don't want to be sent to war and all the other things expected of men in the world
The young girls who marry old men do so voluntarily and of their own volition (at least in the western countries we are most likely talking about), so I don't think they have a hard life as a result, they probably just wanted to inherit his money when he eventually dies. As for the women forced into prostitution, I agree that is awful and needs to be stopped, though I don't think that works as a general example of why women have it worse. I could just as easily say men have it worse because of the young boys in africa who were forced to kill their own mother and then forced to join and fight in an army, typically until they die.
I definitely agree with that, which is why I think this discussion should be specifically on the western world. If we discuss the entire planet then it will essentially be the two of us throwing examples of shitty countries that in no way represents either of our standards of living. I say men in one country are being enslaved, you say women in another country are being raped and murdered, yet both of us sit in the safety of our own homes with little concern for such things.
@devilman666 my opinion on this, no matter If taken globally or just specific countries, is that we are equal. Noone can flat out say girls have it easier because there are stuff girls have to deal with and boys don't. But the asker didn't specify it so I had to give few examples
Fair enough. I somewhat disagree with the idea that we can just say people are equal, but we can generalize it to most people having both advantages and disadvantages to their way of life. I do agree that it is probably impossible to make an accurate statement about every man or woman in a country/the world and decide which gender has it worse.
@devilman666 I'm not saying people overall are equal, we definitely aren't but when it comes to talking about "which gender has it better", we are. I'm comparing a girl and a boy from same social class and country of course
Like a woman can be a stay at home mom and nobody judges them if your a man the expectation are tremendous we're even expected to hold the door for women. See the reason why people say the men have it easier cause most men dont conduct themselves like men. But the real men we know all that's expected of us
Thats easier than men who have to deal with being sex starved tho. Majority of men in the United states are so ugly they couldnt even date a 300lb obese grandmother if they wanted
Ageism? You don't get discriminated against when you're older, you just stop receiving A LITTLE of your special treatment! Ageism! X'D
And by all meaningful measures, health, life span, happiness, standard of living, education, choice of job by preference instead of profit, amount of friends, amount of connection, emotional freedom, compassion you receive, help you receive, attention you receive, the worth you hold in the eyes of society (not your contribution to society, but simply the worth of your life, which is way higher than mens in the eyes of socitey), women have a better life than men. You simply are healthier, happier, and live longer. And most importantly, you get to express and experience your feelings. All of this, and yet women are still the ones who supposedly have this terrible, oppressed life, ruled by their male overlords. If I could chose, I would be reborn as a woman.
I mean a girl can accuse a man of anything in the US and the guy spends nights in jail. Can't say the same for women. I think ultimately it depends on where you live. I feel in the US women have it much easier.
Well, not gonna make a sandwich for a rude and condescending 40 year old! Maybe I would for my kind and respectful boyfriend, who also makes me sandwiches ;)
@daisydukeso A good woman cooks and cleans for her man. Not the other way around. A man that does woman's work will lose respect. A Woman wants a strong and confident man that leads and commands her.
Lmao we’ll seriously get back to that debate once men give birth to children & were the oppressed sex in virtually all parts of the world since time immemorial, okay? Cool.
If males gave birth (not just a few other species in the animal kingdom), women would have much less value in life. With the oppression comes the ability to keep the species alive. I think it's a fair trade off. You (females) have a lot more power than they realise. It just isn't exercised to it's full potential. With great power comes great possibilities, you just have to know how to use it.
@ImagineSketchy lmao it’s not about not realizing our potential it’s judt that our potential always has been and continues to be suppressed by the patriarchy, even today where it has widely been accepted that women and men have the exact same capacities for maths as a girl you still hear shit like “don’t expect to do very well in physics so why don’t you go for a language?” from professors and parents alike
The very defining characteristic of oppression is that it limits capacities of certain members of society and there with hinders the progress of society as a whole
Or we could just oppress you again and force you to have debates of equality with us. As soon as men want a legitimate discussion so many women like you turn to things like this. Next time a woman complains about the wage gap, I'll tell her that we can continue the discussion when women die on the job as often as men do, and when women were the workhorse since time immemorial, and until then she has no right to comment on such things since men have it much worse in this area of life and as a result get benefits to them (women have it worse in childbirth and raising since they get a majority of the responsibility, men have it worse in work since they get a majority of the responsibilities).
@devilman666 oh wow so you’re using your own patriarchal advantages to justify women’s disadvantages in the labor market and simultaneously somehow think blaming women for men’s “responsibility” (that men themselves created) to do more physically demanding jobs and women’s exclusion from said jobs? Did your last 2 brain cells just fail to see the connection there or?
@princessfrimjupiter oh wow you said a lot without actually saying much, maybe you should try to be more descriptive? I honestly have no idea what "patriarchal advantages" would be. You somehow think in 2019 that women are excluded from physically demanding jobs rather than simply women choosing not to do them? You're ridiculous, in my country (canada) there is nothing excluding women from working the dangerous jobs, they can train into any field and even join the military if they want. I call bullshit on the exclusion of women.
Dying and getting injured on the job is an advantage? Never seeing your family because you work so much overtime is an advantage? Having your entire worth as a human being tied to your earning potential is an advantage? (Alright, that last one can be an advantage if you make a lot of money, since you become worth more than most people). bullshit. You can't just call anything an advantage or disadvantage just because you want to.
Am I blaming women for this? I wouldn't say blaming women, but certainly not giving them a free pass, both men and women played a part in creating the society we have today. Most western women want to work less and then just marry a man who makes enough to balance it out. Meaning that a man who wants to get married (on average) needs to make more than the average woman, meaning he needs to either work a more dangerous job or get higher education. Men die far more often in the workplace, as well as being drafted into war far more often than women. Their responsibility to society is much more, and it is not created solely by men as you attempt to imply. Womens desires and actions contribute to this as much as mens, not long ago there was upset in the usa about women potentially getting drafted into the army, women protested and it never got passed, but men will never be free from the draft, obviously this is just because men want the heroic experience of being the only gender to die on the battlefield (sarcasm).
All that said, I was just displaying that it upsets me that people like you refuse to debate equality because women in the past were oppressed. "Women have been oppressed so mens opinions of what goes on today mean nothing". Women like you try to oppress men while shouting about womens oppression, your original response to the question emphasizes this, where you literally said to oppress men (by refusing to debate with them and give them avenues to change the way society views and treats them, you implement unjust treatment/control, making it oppression by definition) until they change reality so they are women (they can give birth and were oppressed since time immemorial).
@princessfromjupiter wow. Racism and sexism directed at me? Probably not since racism and sexism don't apply to straight white men, but if I werent straight and white and you said that then you would be racist and sexist. *slow clap* if I was a black woman for example, and a white man said "typical black woman with no understanding..." then it would be sexism and racism.
Oppression (according to google dictionary) : prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
By saying mens opinions mean nothing you are putting them under unjust treatment.
Case closed because you dont want to have an actual discussion, just label others as a straight white male and you win the argument. Sexist women like you sicken me, and your kind is becoming more and more common because of feminism. We can't even have a straight forward discussion about oppression and sexism because you refuse to view other people's problems and experiences as legitimate if they have a penis. You are the problem with today's society.
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Maybe both genders have their problems? Oh no, revolution opinion, let me quickly swap genders and then I’m just futuristic!
I think both genders have things that work against them, just in different ways.
The inevitable feminazi downvote who hates equality and thinks only women can be oppressed.
With certain things women have it easier, and in other things men have it easier.
No.
Do they face different challenges? In many areas yes.
Does this mean one of them has it easier? Absolutely not.
I don’t have your experience... My life has not been easy and certainly not made easier by being a woman.
Behind personal anecdote, there are way too many variations in life circumstance to be able to determine quality of life based on gender. In any case we all love in a world where most people are truly powerless and even those with power are at the mercy of unclear weapons even when and or esp bc of the fact , they have 1000 times as many as anyone else.
We don’t live in a world where people have any real power most people love humoring unbearable lives. That’s why so Koch taje is silent discussing rights. If human beings had power over their lives , human rights would be superfluous.
I don’t see why gender is important or meaningful in any way, as long as we are all under the threat of nuclear anhilation. As long as someone can pull a trigger on the world, no one is free, ever. And life is a prison sentence.
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Dude you can't compare transgender guys to women.
But transgender guys can compare how their life was when they were women as it is now they are men
I guess that's true.
I love how girls won't explain whether they have it harder or easier than men only to default on the "meh both have issues" excuse. Try being falsely accused of rape and being called out for being violent rapists by the media.
Ladies if you're cute and pretty all you have to do is sign up on twitch and play video games. Lonely losers with cash will shower you with the easiest money to earn.
"if you're cute and pretty"
Even average looking women have it far easier than men. Even Ugly women have it easy unless they're obese and gross.
Literally all you have to do to succeed is be great at looking beautiful and natural, work out and eat healthy. Soon your getting a free ride through life even for average women. Men due to the high standards for us have to work much much more harder to succeed while taking huge risks.
The suicide rate is 4 times higher for men than women. That alone should paint a clear picture of who has it worse in life
You can't fucking tell me that men don't have it worse than women.
And again with the looking beautiful thing. See, some women get to be born with a pretty face, and they have it easy. But some just don't get that, and they ain't getting shit
Yeah and men get even less. Women dont even look at the ugly men. women even if you're ugly still have it easier.
What is so fucking hard about being a woman? I wish i was born as one because your problems look so trivial.
What do ugly women have easier? I ain't getting any free stuff and I'm not treated better just because I'm a woman because I'm not attractive. One of my girl friends who is very pretty was crying lately that she hasn't been approached by anyone since last two months, and she is so used to getting male attention and always being in some relationship. Well guess what, I have never been approached by anyone, let alone having a boyfriend, and I can't even get laid because I wasn't born with hourglass shape and my cheekbones aren't high. I can only watch all the pretty girls around me getting benefits and compliments, while I don't differ from also not a handsome man
Are you overweight? If so that is your fault. I haven't been approached either and i dont think i look ugly.
Besides you have better job prospects to fill fucking diversity quotas you do have more powers in court and you probably would get laid if you made the first move and approached men.
No I'm not fat, and even I was fat AND had an hourglass figure I would get lots of men because that's all they care about. If you're a woman, it doesn't matter if you are chubby, average or skinny - if you have rectangular shape you don't get shit, and if you have hourglass shape you won
Well then your standards are too high id love to have a girlfriend even if she was a bit chubby and with a rectangular shape. Unless you look like fucking thor men get even less.
Do you ever have to worry about being drafted? How about dying at work?
Being drafted to what? And for my future I'm choosing paper work - a man can too
You'll never have to lay in bed awake at night thinking of the horrors of war and wondering if you would have to be forced to give your life in the most gruesome and horrible ways fighting in wars you dont understand or care about alongside your friends.
Typical of you to pick easy desk jobs while we have to tar your roads shingle your roof pull oil and natural resources out of the earth. When a ditch has to be dug women are nowhere in sight yet women complain about being underpaid while we have to risk our lives building and maintaining civilization while also putting food on the table for our families.
Sure a man could do paperwork as well but women don't do our hard labour. As a woman you even have better access to jobs due to affirmative action. You cunts have it easy. I wish i could be reborn as a woman to escape this shitty lonely life.
Compare to men, then yes. Men must be confident, tough, soldiers ready to die, lead and protect daily. All those things cause a lot of stress on men.
Couldn't have said it better myself, woman these days want equal rights, equal pay blah blah blah but they don't want to be sent to war and all the other things expected of men in the world
Neither of them have it easy.
Both sides have immense problems.
Except female issues are the ones prioritised over men's from looks of it these days...
Yeah that's true.
Say that to the young girls who marry some old men or all the girls who are sold as prostitutes. Definitely an easy life
It really matters where are you from and what society you live in
The young girls who marry old men do so voluntarily and of their own volition (at least in the western countries we are most likely talking about), so I don't think they have a hard life as a result, they probably just wanted to inherit his money when he eventually dies. As for the women forced into prostitution, I agree that is awful and needs to be stopped, though I don't think that works as a general example of why women have it worse. I could just as easily say men have it worse because of the young boys in africa who were forced to kill their own mother and then forced to join and fight in an army, typically until they die.
I definitely agree with that, which is why I think this discussion should be specifically on the western world. If we discuss the entire planet then it will essentially be the two of us throwing examples of shitty countries that in no way represents either of our standards of living. I say men in one country are being enslaved, you say women in another country are being raped and murdered, yet both of us sit in the safety of our own homes with little concern for such things.
@devilman666 my opinion on this, no matter If taken globally or just specific countries, is that we are equal. Noone can flat out say girls have it easier because there are stuff girls have to deal with and boys don't. But the asker didn't specify it so I had to give few examples
Fair enough. I somewhat disagree with the idea that we can just say people are equal, but we can generalize it to most people having both advantages and disadvantages to their way of life. I do agree that it is probably impossible to make an accurate statement about every man or woman in a country/the world and decide which gender has it worse.
@devilman666 I'm not saying people overall are equal, we definitely aren't but when it comes to talking about "which gender has it better", we are. I'm comparing a girl and a boy from same social class and country of course
Tell that to the families of men who die or are injured in the work place. 95-98% of all injuries and deaths at work are men...
women be like: "and every time I go shopping, I have to be looking for a toilet and sit down *ugh*"
men be like: "I have a double PhD in astrophysics and I'm still not getting laid."
I think it is no “who has it easier.” Both genders have different struggles and things they have to encounter
That's true but I feel like certain things are just handed to women
Such as?
Like a woman can be a stay at home mom and nobody judges them if your a man the expectation are tremendous we're even expected to hold the door for women. See the reason why people say the men have it easier cause most men dont conduct themselves like men. But the real men we know all that's expected of us
I think a woman being a stay at home mom is really lazy but that’s my opinion
I agree
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Life is hard period, there is no easy life, every one has moments of sadness, loneliness, depression, triumps and failures. Thats just part of it.
Depends.. both genders deal with shit.
Girls gotta deal with thirsty guys, creeps, etc..
Thats easier than men who have to deal with being sex starved tho. Majority of men in the United states are so ugly they couldnt even date a 300lb obese grandmother if they wanted
I too love oppression Olympics. You sound like a pick me.
My baskin Robbins chocolate malt says it depends on the individual not on their sex. Chocolate malt is wise beyond its years.
Lol I love how all guys answered that women have it easier than men 😂😂
So many MGTOW on reddit
Women have to deal with sexism and ageism that men don't have to deal with
We have to deal with sexism too.
Like now you are going to reply: "How dare you contradict me? Men are not entitled to express their opinions here"
Ageism? You don't get discriminated against when you're older, you just stop receiving A LITTLE of your special treatment! Ageism! X'D
And by all meaningful measures, health, life span, happiness, standard of living, education, choice of job by preference instead of profit, amount of friends, amount of connection, emotional freedom, compassion you receive, help you receive, attention you receive, the worth you hold in the eyes of society (not your contribution to society, but simply the worth of your life, which is way higher than mens in the eyes of socitey), women have a better life than men.
You simply are healthier, happier, and live longer. And most importantly, you get to express and experience your feelings. All of this, and yet women are still the ones who supposedly have this terrible, oppressed life, ruled by their male overlords.
If I could chose, I would be reborn as a woman.
I mean a girl can accuse a man of anything in the US and the guy spends nights in jail. Can't say the same for women. I think ultimately it depends on where you live. I feel in the US women have it much easier.
The only thing a woman has to do is look pretty , smile , and bat her eyes.
OK , maybe once in a while she has to make a sandwich. But oohhh my how hard is that?
That's sexist, you can't expect a woman to make you food and especially not sandwiches! Now you get downvotes from women for being sexist.
@devilman666
She. Will. Make. Me. A. Sandwich.
you're a turd :)
@daisydukeso make me a sandwich.
sure, i'll put a turd in it so you can eat yourself
@daisydukeso
What ever you say, what ever you do, whoever you are you need to be good woman , go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich right now.
I command you to do so.
Well, not gonna make a sandwich for a rude and condescending 40 year old! Maybe I would for my kind and respectful boyfriend, who also makes me sandwiches ;)
@daisydukeso Your " boyfriend" makes you sandwiches?
Gay.
Yikes. Do you act like this in real life too?
@daisydukeso
A good woman cooks and cleans for her man. Not the other way around. A man that does woman's work will lose respect. A Woman wants a strong and confident man that leads and commands her.
She does not want some limp wristed mangina.
Lol, you're a man, how would you know what a woman wants?
@daisydukeso I know exactly what a woman wants.
How? Because that's not what I wantd
@daisydukeso
Bullshit.
Hilarious how you think you're a mind reader hahaha
Lmao we’ll seriously get back to that debate once men give birth to children & were the oppressed sex in virtually all parts of the world since time immemorial, okay? Cool.
If males gave birth (not just a few other species in the animal kingdom), women would have much less value in life. With the oppression comes the ability to keep the species alive. I think it's a fair trade off. You (females) have a lot more power than they realise. It just isn't exercised to it's full potential. With great power comes great possibilities, you just have to know how to use it.
@ImagineSketchy lmao it’s not about not realizing our potential it’s judt that our potential always has been and continues to be suppressed by the patriarchy, even today where it has widely been accepted that women and men have the exact same capacities for maths as a girl you still hear shit like “don’t expect to do very well in physics so why don’t you go for a language?” from professors and parents alike
The very defining characteristic of oppression is that it limits capacities of certain members of society and there with hinders the progress of society as a whole
It sucks I know. Both sexes have their disadvantages.
@ImagineSketchy no denying that
If men could give birth, why would we need women?
Because you need 2 to fertilize an egg? Males would just have more value in the process as we carry the generation with us.
@esotericstory to lead society in their place what else
There is no escaping women's existential purpose of making babies.
@esotericstory not if it was man’s job
Or we could just oppress you again and force you to have debates of equality with us. As soon as men want a legitimate discussion so many women like you turn to things like this. Next time a woman complains about the wage gap, I'll tell her that we can continue the discussion when women die on the job as often as men do, and when women were the workhorse since time immemorial, and until then she has no right to comment on such things since men have it much worse in this area of life and as a result get benefits to them (women have it worse in childbirth and raising since they get a majority of the responsibility, men have it worse in work since they get a majority of the responsibilities).
@devilman666 oh wow so you’re using your own patriarchal advantages to justify women’s disadvantages in the labor market and simultaneously somehow think blaming women for men’s “responsibility” (that men themselves created) to do more physically demanding jobs and women’s exclusion from said jobs?
Did your last 2 brain cells just fail to see the connection there or?
*.. exclusion from said jobs makes perfect sense
@princessfrimjupiter oh wow you said a lot without actually saying much, maybe you should try to be more descriptive? I honestly have no idea what "patriarchal advantages" would be. You somehow think in 2019 that women are excluded from physically demanding jobs rather than simply women choosing not to do them? You're ridiculous, in my country (canada) there is nothing excluding women from working the dangerous jobs, they can train into any field and even join the military if they want. I call bullshit on the exclusion of women.
Dying and getting injured on the job is an advantage? Never seeing your family because you work so much overtime is an advantage? Having your entire worth as a human being tied to your earning potential is an advantage? (Alright, that last one can be an advantage if you make a lot of money, since you become worth more than most people). bullshit. You can't just call anything an advantage or disadvantage just because you want to.
Am I blaming women for this? I wouldn't say blaming women, but certainly not giving them a free pass, both men and women played a part in creating the society we have today. Most western women want to work less and then just marry a man who makes enough to balance it out. Meaning that a man who wants to get married (on average) needs to make more than the average woman, meaning he needs to either work a more dangerous job or get higher education. Men die far more often in the workplace, as well as being drafted into war far more often than women. Their responsibility to society is much more, and it is not created solely by men as you attempt to imply. Womens desires and actions contribute to this as much as mens, not long ago there was upset in the usa about women potentially getting drafted into the army, women protested and it never got passed, but men will never be free from the draft, obviously this is just because men want the heroic experience of being the only gender to die on the battlefield (sarcasm).
All that said, I was just displaying that it upsets me that people like you refuse to debate equality because women in the past were oppressed. "Women have been oppressed so mens opinions of what goes on today mean nothing". Women like you try to oppress men while shouting about womens oppression, your original response to the question emphasizes this, where you literally said to oppress men (by refusing to debate with them and give them avenues to change the way society views and treats them, you implement unjust treatment/control, making it oppression by definition) until they change reality so they are women (they can give birth and were oppressed since time immemorial).
@devilman666 typical straight white male with no understanding whatsoever of the term “oppression” confirmed. Case closed. Don’t even @ me.
@princessfromjupiter wow. Racism and sexism directed at me? Probably not since racism and sexism don't apply to straight white men, but if I werent straight and white and you said that then you would be racist and sexist. *slow clap* if I was a black woman for example, and a white man said "typical black woman with no understanding..." then it would be sexism and racism.
Oppression (according to google dictionary) : prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
By saying mens opinions mean nothing you are putting them under unjust treatment.
Case closed because you dont want to have an actual discussion, just label others as a straight white male and you win the argument. Sexist women like you sicken me, and your kind is becoming more and more common because of feminism. We can't even have a straight forward discussion about oppression and sexism because you refuse to view other people's problems and experiences as legitimate if they have a penis. You are the problem with today's society.
@devilman666 hahahahaha. Bye.