Are women more shallow than men?

[Dbach]

Yes

No

Updates

+1 y

For dating

[SngBirdy]

This one is weird and hypocritical in itself. Women absolutely do notice way more about other peoples appereances than guys do. Like the things girls see in other people and how good they are at pointing out flaws is unbelievable. Like how some girls actually care about how a dudes hands look? Yeah guys dont do that. Guys also dont insult other peoples appereance anywhere close to the degree that women do. Women can be so fucking disgusting to each other when talking about how they look.
In that sense, women are more shallow.

On the other hand, a girls appereance plays a much bigger role for a guy when he decides what girls he approaches or what girl he'll accept as a girlfriend. Meanwhile girls notice so much about other peoples appereances, but despite that, they will drop or ignore all these "complaints" if you can call it that if she likes everything else about the guy enough.
In that sense, women are very humble and not shallow at all, and guys are extremely shallow.
So which one answers the qestion? Thats for you to decide i guess

[Aethereal]

I voted "yes", but my idea of "shallow" is a bit different from most.

To me, truly being shallow is having requirements of a potential partner that they cannot change; such as height, skin colour, etc. It is also shallow to abandon a partner for losing a feature you liked when they had no choice/control over its loss, due to sickness for example.

To me, a person who has 20 requirements of a potential partner that can be acquired/lost (such as weight, smoking, drinking habits, hygiene, etc.) is less shallow than the person whose only requirement in a partner is a feature/trait that they cannot change.

The past few years have shown me that there are a disturbingly high number of women whose requirements in a partner are things that these men cannot change (usually height and skin colour). Hence, my "yes" vote.

[Dbach]

I agree. I wrote this because I’ve been on dating apps such as tinder and notice that girls won’t even look at a guy that isn’t 6 feet tall. Since I’m on the shorter side.

[Aethereal]

Sorry to hear that. I myself was on Okcupid, and came across my fair share of girls who had a 99% match with me, but then answered the "I'm racist" question with a "yes". I've also sometimes wondered what a girl with height requirements would do if guys could change their height e. g. shrink at will but take years to grow back.

[itsjustlew]

Definitely not, men tend to have higher standards then women. All the women I know want a man taller then them, thats all if that, me and my friend like short guys. A few of the women have preferences appearance wise but most don’t. The men I know are extremely picky when it comes to women’s looks, a lot of preferences with their looks (like blonde hair, tall, skinny, etc.) a lot of the time they want women way out of their league and reject women that are average looking

[mindNsoul]

Everything is possible.. this is an endless debate

Both genders are capable of being completely shallow

[Lionman95]

i´d say yes but it´s not only women became more shallow it´s the guys who became more shallow. Look on the dating apps girls seem beautiful are overrun by guys while girls that don´t fit into modern beauty standards are left aside. I don´t know which gender started the shallow competition but it´s not only the women that should be blamed on this.
I find it pretty hard to start a conversation with a woman online because most women easily bored and end the conversation. I think the dating game became way harder through online dating in general.

[HiveBee]

Incels exist. It has to be that women are more shallow than men.

Women can fall to the deepest depths of unattractive-ness. And no matter how far down they go, there's always a guy willing to marry her and make 10 kids with a disgusting smelly morbidly obese women with zero brains or usefulness.

The same absolutely does not apply to men. Once you fall below average as a man, your chances of being an incel greatly rise. And by average, I dont mean looks. I mean average in relation to that which women are attracted to, regardless of metric used.

[Unit1]

Only if they want our money

Fortunately there is a breed of women out there fighting against monetizing love and feel insulted when a man attempts to spend money on her. For these women money isn't romantic and they're not products to be picked up from the store.

"Lovers treat each other as equals – it's only the providers who seek to throw money and resources at women. By splitting the bill – by each of you paying your fair share – you communicate to her that the two of you are equals and are on the same ground. This is much more conducive to setting up a romantic and sexual relationship than the man who tries to "buy" a woman's attraction with dinner or gifts." - Chase Amante

[ChrisMaster69]

Things like being shallow, envy, hate, jealousy are not really specific to a single sex.

humans no matter type are able to shallow, or have negative and positive traits.

guys are usually able to be more vocal at finger pointing but forget they are just as bad.

[TOTEMPLASTER]

Men control their emotions much better than females and thus put more thought into their actions. Women know that if their emotional outbursts screw things up that their menfolk will repair the damage.

[Anonymous]

Any man can work on his confidence/career/assertiveness/personality to attract women, but ugly women can not change what they were born with.

Most ugly women end up alone with 50 cats.

So yeah, an average looking bloke - or even a below-average looking one - who works on his personality/career and stands out can score a large number of women.


For a lot of women, (average looks + assertive personality) > (great looks + beta personality). For men, (great looks + average personality) > (average looks + great personality).

This is why in a lot of couples, the girl is better looking than the guy.

I would say, on average, males tend to be more shallow simply because they prefer traits in women that can not be changed, whilst many women can love a man who has grown to be a mature and accomplished person despite him not being very attractive.

[PatriceONeal]

Yeah ugly women can't have a personality! Women are so oblivious and shallow.

[Egirl28]

Guys can be shallow and girl can be shallow its a character flaws not a gender flaw.

[Anonymous]

Yes, women are more shallow than men. They are far more judgmental pf men's looks than men are of women's, and it's no secret that they find shorter men unattractive. And studies show women find men with money more "physically attractive".

[MCheetah]

Definitely. It is scientifically proven.

[mistixs]

If women's online dating photos were taken and uploaded after 2 minutes of effort like most men's, then men would rate women's pictures just as poorly.

There's a reason gay men are more likely than straight men to suffer from eating disorders & low body image, while the same isn't true for gay vs straight women. It's because gay men, like straight women, are under pressure due to male expectations.

[Bandit74]

@mistixs
You really think that would result in women being rated as poorly as women rated men?

[mistixs]

@Bandit74 yes. If women rolled out of bed, didn't put on makeup or brush their hair, and took pictures for online dating, and didn't edit them, then men would also rate them as below-average in attractiveness

[Bandit74]

@mistixs
That doesn't really make sense to me. Below average is relative to what average is. So if all women just stoped doing those things you mentioned wouldn't the scale for what is average just adapt accordingly?

[mistixs]

@Bandit74 this discussion is in the context of online dating photos.
The survey pictured said that women rated about 70% of men's *pictures on online dating* as below average, not 70% of men in general as below average.

[Bandit74]

@mistixs
I don't see why women's rating of men in general wouldn't follow a similar trend.

[mistixs]

@Bandit74 type of photos uploaded has a big impact on whether a person on online dating is rated as attractive or not.
You think if Brad Pitt uploaded his worst picture on online dating, that he would be rated equally as attractive as he would otherwise?
If men choose to put less effort into their online dating pictures then that's their business.

[Bandit74]

@mistixs

No, but I also don't think an average guy wearing makeup and taking better pictures will yield him the same results as the average woman. I think even if we control for makeup and picture quality women still rate men less favorably than men rate women.

[MCheetah]

@mistixs
Then how do you explain simps and cucks? Some of the worst women in existence (ugly on the inside AND outside) have an OnlyFans.

[mistixs]

Because men are generally more desperate for sex than women.
But most women want relationships, not just casual sex, and what men tolerate to get their dick wet isn't the same as what they would be willing to be with romantically.

[ChiTown33]

I would say women are infinitely more pickier than men. Not more shallow. There is a difference. But if you haven't got what they want or unable to attain it i can see as how it might come off as shallow.

[Steve1071]

Yes, I’ve seen many cheat, lie, and stab their friends in the back. One of the little tricks that women do is turn on the tears and play the wounded dove game when they’ve been caught and a lot of schmucks still fall for it.

[kellytheman]

I feel sometimes girls can be because if we got some money they what to be with you but if your a nobody and no much they completely ignore you. But guys can be shallow but we are more on one thing like looks.

[Anonymous]

I think shallow people exist in both genders. I really don't know which one has more but i think guys would always have an eye for the perfect girl they find online or irl.

[MADIQ]

They are just picky, if you don't have a good personality you're a ZERO. Thats why i'm a Zero and i kind of look below average but i don't think that's the problem.

[Solo22]

I think so for 1 reason, women are looking for the "perfect" man to settle down with. Men don't look for just 1 female for their whole life, so we are more forgiving and we prioritize sex more.

[strawberrylipstick]

i think this mostly applies to Cishets though , id much rather find a guy i can stay with for my whole life

[Idealhammer]

Women just don't feel things as deeply as men. This is why they easily get over emotional hurt. It has nothing to do with talk incessantly about their feelings. It will s just the way their brains are wired.

[Bandit74]

At the very least they are equally as shallow, but I do tend to think they are more shallow.

[Not_Average]

They’re just as shallow as men, but in different ways.

[MountAverage]

I don't think so. I think this is one of many things that are influenced much more by individual factors.

[IShotCupidx]

Both genders are equally shallow.