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I see a loser as someone who expects everything handed to them and is unwilling to work for anything themselves, tries to bring down others in order to make themselves feel better, and resents people for having things they don't, especially if they have put zero effort into achieving those things for themselves. I also really dislike users and gold diggers, and see them as losers.
Also, for the record, I wouldn't say a guy who is a virgin is a loser, though it's definitely a common stereotype (unfortunately). Kind of sad, really. Virginity status has nothing to do with a person's quality.
I wish I knew. Society can be very stupid at times (and TBH, a lot of movies are very stupid). I've never understood the double standard for how sleeping around is somehow considered a good thing for men but disgusting for women, or how being a virgin is beautiful for women but means a man is a loser. I've also never understood how people are so concerned with other people's sex lives or think virginity has any bearing on the quality of a person's character. It means nothing other than that someone has either had sex or they haven't, which hardly significantly changes a person. Maybe it's because I'm asexual and don't see what everyone's big deal about sex is in the first place, but I've always thought the stigmas surrounding it were pretty dumb. My two cents is that people should only have sex if and when they're ready for it and shouldn't be pressured into it, and that it's really nobody's business besides your own whether you're a virgin or not (I always thought people quit caring about that after high school anyway, lol).
I wouldn't take anything from Hollyweird to heart, though, personally. The storylines in so many movies are so unrealistic and dumb, and I've always thought the way that they glorify BS like high school being the "best four years of a person's life", popularity and cliques, toxic relationships, "mean girl" shit, mental illness, etc. was nonsense. Why it appeals to so many people, I'm not sure.
I can answer those questions very simply. Sleeping around for a women is bad because you can get pregnant and having different children with different men is considered a failure at life because sex for a women is easy to get so instead of finding a guy that loves you and what’s to start a family you decided to indulge in free see without getting anything in return. And for men sex is very hard to get because women have high standards, so if a man can get a lot of sex he must be rich or something valuable, because women don’t mess with men unless they have some sort of value. So yeah you don’t see it that way because most women take sex for granted because of how easy it is to get. But men literally pay people to teach them how to get girls. Whereas girls pay people on how to keep a man after she has slept with.
Hopefully that answered your question
I'm not sure I think a guy being able to have sex with a lot of women because they only want him for his money or what they can offer him is such a great thing. Not to me anyway.
But, I'm sure my viewpoint on it is different than most, and I see where you're coming from.
Sure, but that doesn't mean he's really loved by those women, so I don't see him being used for his wealth by many women as a plus for him. I also think more men need to be less of pushovers towards women like that (though I guess it's probably easier to be used and manipulated if you see the person in a much more positive and less realistic light than everyone else around you).
That's quite the assumption. I rarely get attention from men because I'm reserved, make no effort to be anything but very ordinary and presentable looking, and am not interested in dating, so do not pursue them, myself.
Either way, I think people should have more self respect than to allow someone to use them like that, or to believe that allowing a superficial person like that to leech off of them is better than being alone. I guess I just don't get that logic. I'd much rather be alone for life (though to be fair, I like being alone in the first place) than have to settle for someone I know doesn't care about me and would be gone if anything happened to where I lost my money that they were after. I also still fail to see how having a lot of sex is a more positive quality than not having as much. Just because someone is willing to sleep with you doesn't mean they like you, and therefore someone who has a lot of sex isn't necessarily more desirable than someone who doesn't.
Well I’m gonna make some more assumptions cause I know you love that. Women don’t orgasm as much as men do so they tend to want someone that is experienced, and they would much rather fake an orgasm than tell the guy he’s doing it wrong, so women tend to not want to be with virgins for those reason. But by all means shoot down my argument
I'm not trying to "shoot down" anything, just trying to give my perspective is all. What I'm mainly talking about when I'm talking about how desirable someone is, is whether or not the people who desire them actually care about them, or something superficial. Most women tend to value more than just good sex and orgasms in a relationship and therefore really don't care that much about how much sexual experience the guy has. Obviously, it varies depending on the person and some women value good sex more than others.
If I were to seek out a partner, I'd prefer one who didn't see sex in a casual way and sleep around due to the fact that it would match my values better, and I've met several other women who felt the same. Again though, it varies between women.
Either way, with my original statement being that a man being a virgin =/= being a loser, I still stand by that and do not think that being able to convince someone to sleep with you by offering them money or having better sex makes anyone any better than anyone else. At the end of the day, that isn't a good foundation for a loving and lasting relationship (more like a transaction than anything), and I definitely wouldn't say that someone who has more one night stands than someone else is better or less of a loser.
A whorish man as well is a loser... with a lot of kids by different women. I don't consider a man virgin male a loser. He's a winner along with having goals he's trying to achieve or have achieved.
What's make a woman a loser? Umm, pretty much the same. Basically, no goals, living off family and friends, more than one kid by different men, etc... Pretty much the same. I mean there are some females that live in their parents basement and play video games too. Or, on her phone all day, etc.
In general, just people doing nothing with their life. Lazy, etc, etc.
Immature people think that way. Grown boys and girls.
Most people don't know how to have good sex. I don't care if he's a virgin or not. I will enjoy myself either way. Hell, most men don't know how to satisfy a woman. That let's you know woman don't know how to "in my opinion" satisfy... If you're always expecting the man to do so. "Sex" is mental and physical. More mental... You get in that virgin mind... tell him what to do... If the chemistry is right and there's a connection, he'll make her cum.
It's sex and not a relationship. If it's a relationship, she's not going to mind because wanted to be in a relationship with him knowing he's a virgin. I prefer the inexperience. No disease. No children. No baggage from past relationships or sexships. Nothing wrong with a man being a virgin.
Annnd, he's still viewed as a leader to me. Sex doesn't have anything to do with him leading.
Your missing my point a woman doesn’t like to lead a man. So if a man is inexperienced with women, how is he going to kiss her, how is he going to ask her out? Women typically wait for the guy to do that. So they choose experience guys anyways. Trust me I know what I’m talking about.
Soooo, if we all were virgins, I guess we wouldn't have sex..."because we all are clueless on what to do" Look I don't know about you, but I knew what to do as a virgin. Well, I had good chemistry with my first. I never kissed a man before until I met him. I told him, I never kissed a man before. He told me "I couldn't tell." Some people learn about sex before having sex. And, from my experience nothing will keep a man that knows what want and going in life from a woman he wants. "Woman" not grown girl. My brother-n-law is considered looks challenge and he was a virgin when he met my sister who is considered "pretty". It didn't stop him to approach because he wanted her. He married her too. The one thing for sure... I don't care what your insecure may be, if he sees "her" nothing will stop him to get with her.
My sister wasn't a virgin. And, well experienced.
When they met they were in their mid 20s. So, they were young. Both are in their 50s. I was 31 and he was 34. It doesn't matter the age. Hell, most men are not good in bed. Just because you slept with more than one woman doesn't make you experience in knowing how to pleasure a woman. Straight pounding like a crazy rabbit isn't a person that knows how to have sex. Or, rather pleasure a woman. That's the reverse of a woman being a starfish. She's laying there while he straight buckin' Don't get me wrong... he gotta know how to hit it and stroke it just right for woman to orgasm. Annd, you know most woman have never experienced an orgasm. So, that let's you know being with many doesn't make you a good lover.
No but my point was women don’t approach or lead, so the man that is most likely to get in a lot of relationships is someone who has experience with them. Times are changing and the internet is prevalent than ever so more men are approach women online so your describe a time when the internet wasn’t that prevalent and men had to approach women if they wanted any interaction with them so you saying he was a virgin but still talk to your sister in law doesn’t take into account that 30-20 years ago times where different, especially how people met up.
Who says all virgin men are shy? How did the man you keep saying for the sake of this discussion become experience? He saw what he wanted and went for it. It doesn't matter the platform or day & age.
Why? You don't.
Just because "you" don't pursue doesn't mean all will not. And, for those who sit back and complain, tuff! You're living in a day and age where promiscuity is a all time high. There's dick and pussy for all if you so desire. It's not hard for men... You make it hard. I know plenty of dudes that wouldn't be considered a catch... have women. Nice looking women too. Ha! No money. Some money. No car. Junk car, etc... Why are they successful?
Shoot! The less unattractive approach all the time. They seem to have confidence than most. Ha! I'm like dude must be kidding me. I'm nice but not rude to say no thank I'm not interested or whatever strikes me. You have pickup a man's vibe how to deal with him. Because being nice sometimes is not enough.
So you a virgin?
And, it don't take much for a man. Lie like the rest of the heathens!
Umm, there's a lot of women that will initiate sex. Subtle and aggressive. You should know that. Hell, the dating apps are full of them. Shoot you have apps for just hook ups. And, men are usually not the aggressor. Today's women are very aggressive. My brother tells me all the time he doesn't have to do or say much. This what I mean about promiscuity at a all time high. Now, if "you" are down with hookups and you want something meaningful... than yeah... you gotta weed people out, get to know them and connect. You'll meet a lot of no before a yes. I've known some looks challenged dudes that carry themselves well. Well, dress.. groomed. You have to present well. Work with what you have.. Vibe. You can't be anxious... You don't have to speak to feel one's desperation. I believe you said back here you had female friends or associates that were interested in you... I believe I heard a dude say know your audience... those who lust after you... that's who you screw... If you dating out of your league all the time, oh well... You're always going to lose.
Lots! Why are women proposing to men these days?
Nope! They're desperate! Pressed for a man that clearly don't want them. If he did, he would have asked her. But, that's even worst.. a man that don't want to get married and can't have sex during a time that sex with women comes easy these days.
Why do you care? And, do we know these people? Why the marriage went south? And, why wouldn't the man want to take care of the kids? Alimony? Hell, she'll be lucky if he pay for child support let alone spousal. Men and women cheat and marry for the wrong reasons. And, divorce. So you're saying these men were good husbands? They did nothing wrong?
If you don’t think that women are incapable of just cheating on there husbands who did nothing wrong and then divorcing him then that the delusional state that your average women has and men know that women aren’t as perfect as society want men to believe. That the real reason men don’t want to get married as much as they used too.
No, the reason they don't want to get married is because you getting the milk for free why pay for it... You don't want to be responsible for someone or family. If sex was done in marriage and was the only way to experience it, men would marry. Since you have plenty of women out here acting like a wife with no commitment, the one's that do want marriage are left in want. Because "yeah" if I was getting all the benefits as a boyfriend or sex buddy why would I want to get married. Women are the same as well... I can get all this just being a girlfriend and sex buddy.
No, not all men and women "want" to get married.
Marriage is not about being a husband or wife. It's about treating someone they way you would want to be treated. It's about having a common mindset about having a family (with or without kids) It's about growing together... learning, etc. All of which you don't have to be a or have the title as a husband or wife. Just good "Character"
No matter the relationship I'm always going to be who I am. If I'm selfish as a son, friend, brother, I will be selfish in my marriage. If I'm a liar, I will be that way in the marriage. Not a faithful friend, untrustworthy, manipulative... I will be that way in the marriage.
It's not about roles. It's about "Character" If both want a family, both are going to contribute being teachers, nurturers, protectors, etc... in their way that won't conflict each because they are of the same mindset and goals for a family. That's how I see it.
What are we actors? It's trying to play the "role" is what stresses people out.
Just take care of each other and enjoy one another and you'll be fine.
No it’s a roll, women are naturally more nurturing so it makes sense for them to take care of the family and be responsible for showing the kids and her husband love, men are naturally better at leading and making decisions not based on emotions, so it makes sense for him to be the one responsible for providing for the family and making sure the kids are taught right from wrong. The wife can do that do but most women are gonna allow the daughter to be a stripper and go into porn because women want to show love and think with there heart first. A man can be nurturing like a women but not many men are emotional and care about people to same extent that women do. So you can sit here and tell me why I’m wrong but it doesn’t change the fact that the marriage rates are at the lowest they’ve ever been and women who think like you is pretty much the reason why it’s like that.
SMH... from someone that don't date and doesn't desire to marry. Yet, "you know"
Ha! Oh, stop! You are not waiting on God. You talk doubtfully (lack faith of what God can do for you in this area of your life "It shows in your questions and response") and wrong about moral standards. You view things through the world "Society views" and not God. Nothing that you say about men and women relationships are in the Bible. Marriage, etc. It is not. Show me. And, I'll show you what it does say. It all goes against society way of thinking. If people follow God's instruction, wouldn't have all this messed up relationships.
Exactly, the bible says that we would approach an age where the love of many would grow cold and that men and women will lust after homosexual relationships, that’s romans chapter 1. So it’s has nothing to do with the lack of faith, it’s nothing but faith I recognize that men are women are lovers of themselves more than lovers of god, so that Inturn causes the marriage rate to plummet and for people to only see each other as casual hookups. If you think that things aren’t getting worst when pride day and teaching kids to change there gender isn’t a sign that morals are out the window then I don’t know what to say to you.
¹Not purchasing a winning lottery ticket.
²Coming in second in a board game.
³Going down in weight.
⁴Bad mouthing mint chocolate chip ice cream
⁵Not really the ice cream thing, but seriously, it's good.
Seriously, let's stop trashing people for their interests and hobbies. Who cares if they are a virgin or sexually promiscuous? Can we just not focus on doing something positive and not tear others down?
Firstly, a guy still living in his parents' house is fine by me.
Second, I love video games so I don't understand what's wrong with it.
Lastly, I also do not see anything wrong with a guy being a virgin.
It's pretty rude and offensive you start calling others losers just because they don't meet your standards.
What makes a woman a loser:
Can't cook
Can't clean
Poor hygiene
Doesn't work
Clingy/Needy
Her demeanor horrific
No class or couth
Can't conversate
I'm sure there's plenty more, so pathetic
Sure as hell ain't me thank you
I work hard , play hard,& I depend on no one but myself
Then you tell me what makes a woman a loser?
Wow I never thought a woman would ask me that. But men don’t really depend on a women like you guys depend on us so it’s hard to answer that. Our standards for women are as high so a women would have to be incapable of doing anything to be considered a loser and even then a man would still find her attractive. I just know that the things you listed doesn’t make a women a loser because men will still marry women like that.
I don't depend on a man for jack. I've been a widow since 2018 & I've done well on my own & taking care of my special needs daughter.
It don't say much for a man who seeks out such women
Are you uneducated?
I don't depend on a man for jack shit so quit putting me in that category.
You're so immature and insecure it's pathetic
Basically you're a sexist pig you should be ashamed of yourself
Good luck with your stupidity!!
Do you ever give up?
You are what you are, go away little boy !!
Similar to a man. This applies to men too
1. Bad personal hygiene or just doesn’t care about how she looks.
2. Desperate or willing to bang or date anyone.
3. Can’t provide for herself/ can’t be independent.
4. Little to no motivation
5. Druggies
6. Self centered or just not a nice person in general.
7. Complains and blames her problems on others.
8. Can’t take no for an answer and throws a temper tantrum when rejected. Like everyone gets rejected deal with it.
In my opinion a loser is a girl who depends completely on a man. Like one that want that her man solve things all thee time. The one that expect their man to be the one trying to fix things when they have a fight. Its a 50-50 so if the girl wants her man to give more than 50% in a relationship is a loser!!
First of all, a guy who is a virgin is a winner and a rare gem, not a loser. The person who thinks otherwise is the actual loser.
What makes a woman a loser to me is when she lacks self respect.
I think what makes a woman seem like a loser is mainly when she never grows out of that spoilt entitled immature age. No one is hating on that behaviour from a 21 year old. But once you hit certain ages your behaviour is expected to grow up a bit.
Pretty much the same things that make a man a ‘loser’ makes a woman a ‘loser’. However there are differences when it comes to how we perceive a situation based on gender, Men are supposed to be hard working and emotionally strong whereas Women are given more of a nurturing role such as a homemaker.
Sounds like you live with a filter on your ears eyes and everything, when you come across females’
We are not all the same unless you assume we are.
They aren’t? Dang I was always thinking that everyone was equal no matter their gender or race, up until someone on some silly site told me otherwise’ thank you oh great one for the clarity so I may feel freedom in my future years
- She doesn't have a job
- She's a freeloader relying on a man's money
- She's doing drugs and heavy drinking
- She has no skills other than looking cute and opening her legs to guys.
My views of a loser might be very different from society. So I'll just do society for the sake of the questions. 1. Being unmarried. 2. Being married but not having kids. 3. Being overweight. 4. Not getting dolled up.
What if she can't have kids?
@so_over_this Loser, I guess. Mixed with pity. Even though adoption is possible, and noble. Again, this is my experience from what I have seen on society, not what I think. Hell, if she DOESN'T want kids, it is fine.
I think that's for men to say.
Women avoid loser men. Men avoid loser women. So it must be the ugly girls for men
When she feels the need to show off and flaunt everything. When she tries to hard to be popular and perfect. When she puts others down to make her self seem better. When she leads a guy on. When she uses him for her reputation.
Pretty much anything a woman does is criticised: girls who game, do sports, music industry we can’t do anything without men having something to say about it sadly
Personally, it's the attitude and personality. If they have like bad attitude and stuff. It's a red flag. You don't even have to know them that well and you'd already know from the first talk that they are.6
According to my family, being 30 and not being married nor having kids
In my opinion, a woman is a loser if she blames people and society for her shortcomings.
Actually that’s incorrect, Feminism as defined by Webster, “ belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests”
This hasn’t changed, it's the social issues and the people behind the movement that have changed. Your naïve if you only think of the extremist who call themselves feminists. If you actually did some research maybe you can learn something, if your smart (not throwing shade here) you would know that it's not all black and white you can still understand someone elses beliefs without agreeing. Think more objectively.
@Rolfiebunny
In that case, I'm a feminist.
A feminist wrote about about why she hates men, what part of equality is that? Hitler also believe in peace and I’m sure your aware of what he did. You got to look at a movements actions, people who look at a movement definition instead the actions is the equivalent to putting your head in the sand and ignoring the holocaust and all the other horrible stuff these movements are doing.
Are you serious comparing mass genocide to a feminist writing about how she hates men? Also if your only recognizing how bad the Holocaust was to defeat another argument your an terrible person.
Wait- are you implying that feminist are planning to kill off men? I hope run and hide then they kill the stupid ones first.
I feel like everyone has different ideas of what a ¨loser¨ is.
Too many partners before marriage
Virgin is not loser haha
I think that "virgin=bad" is a modern concept, that started in the west and spread with globalization and with portraying sex as cool in movies, hollywood, etc.. but in the past, it was encouraged to stay virgin until marriage in many cultures not only abrahamic religions, and is still encouraged in places that didn't get influenced as much by cultural invasion and kept their morals...
Ok to answer your question, a girl is a loser if she chooses to quit her studies to marry at a young age. (17-19) and most of those girls regret that decision later
Any woman who dates you
staying w toxic guy, being racist and homophobic
Same things as a man
Men chase women, it’s can’t be the same things that make women losers because women don’t have to approach men. If men come to you no matter how bad of loser you are that means your still winning, that’s why a lot of spoiled women still end up in relationships, no man can ever think like a women and say women should approach me. No that does happen. That why I regret asking the question because women don’t live the same life that men do.
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