Do you think that women can be losers also?

[Kaamraj]

We criticize men for being sub-par citizens; either being over-weight, unemployed, unmotivated, criminally minded, addicted to drugs including weed. And most men are fine with the criticism, the bum knows that he's a bum. However, why are we so hesitant in calling out women who are the same. If we live in a world of increasing equality and feminism, should women be allowed to coast by only by their looks and nothing more what they bring to the relationship or society in general.

[blueonblack22]

Women generally get much softer treatment by society for shitty behavior and/or being underachievers.

Not say they completely get left off the hook. But women really are considered “special” JUST for existing. However men know damn well they aren’t special for existing. Men who do act this way are considered pathetic and weak. Some might act “special” when they are young but the real world smacks it out of them quick (e. g. “man up”)

Guys know they will be judged for their actions and even if the judgement is unfair/ignorant nobody is going to feel sorry for us if we get punished and/or come up short.

However the issue is most women (not all but definitely more than 50%) don’t even acknowledge this double standard at a subconscious level. Reason being is from an evolutionary perspective they expected to depend on men to provide & protect them throughout all of human history. Now in the western world they have equal (and some case MORE than equal) rights and independence.

But still at a subconscious level they want men to take care of them. This includes men feeling having sympathy and mercy on them for shitty/underachieving behavior. Again this all ties into the “being special” entitlement they have for just existing.

Just FYI I know above is very cynical but it’s true. I’ve just seen way too many women in my lifetime act like this. Men on the other hand are expendable. If we are miserable we know nobody is going save us and only we can improve our circumstance (again “man up”).

It’s time more women get “equal” societal judgement for loserish behavior. Let them get the school of hard knocks to see being a man isn’t as great as they mistakenly want to believe.

[DariBoy]

True

[Anonymous]

It's not about whether one gender can be losers and another cannot. Clearly we know and see losers all over.

What I think OP is really trying to say, is that in terms of dating and attraction, men don't care if a woman is a loser, and women do care if a man is a loser.

Of course I know men will reply and claim they don't want a woman who is a loser. But that is not the baseline of what attracts you to a woman. Her lack of loser qualities. Maybe you dated losers and decided not to date them anymore.

For women it seems like it is a baseline for them. They are always on the lookout for losers from day 1.

Just look at all of the male incels. You don't see them dating. They're all shit out of luck.

Because girls don't fuck with losers. Period.

On the flip side, men, will fuck with any kind of woman. Including dirty disgusting repulsive stinky smelly nasty ones who smoke drink cough too much.

Yea yea it's all a spectrum. Sure some men have standards. But there I'd ALWAYS a man for a woman.

The reverse is not true. There are in fact loser men who never get any. Those are the rules of nature.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I'm a loser woman myself. I'm unattractive, I have a shit min wage job and a weird personality. Not a criminal of any sort tho. People care but not as much as for men because women don't claim themselves as leaders of the world and superior sex. People will tell you lol you have no money and you will never find a man and you're a childless failure but that's different than with men. Men claim they rule the world, are naturally superior to everyone, are leaders of their familles. So of course when they fail miserably people put their finger on it more harshly.

[Joe_Shmo]

If you can, please don't talk about yourself so harshly. If you are ready, rise above the coarse, dim, and malignant belief systems (or b. s.) that present society accepts as truth. At the present time, human society is not healthy, so we have to remain vigilant that we don't fall ill like most others sadly do to the lie that we're worthless, or only worth as much as our bank account or physical looks or perceived value of others.

Love yourself fearlessly. That's what one of my friends, whose mother killed herself when she was a child and who spent the next decade being *seriously* abused in foster homes (sexual abuse, not being fed for days at a time, and more), taught me. Love yourself fearlessly and relentlessly, and never let anyone take that away from you.

[BootsLover94]

Here is an example of one. This is not high society behavior or classy

https://www.youtube.com/embed/GuXRi9D-w-U

Here is another one

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0iVDJwdJcl8

[inhua]

definitely even though "loser" tends to be a misandrist term used by the gynocentric society specifically on men

if women were measured to the same standard they measure men to, many would be objectively deemed losers

a small percentage of men are over 6 feet tall. far less women are over 6 feet tall

not a lot of men have 6 pack abs. even less women have 6 pack abs

not many men earn a 6 figure annual salary. even less women earn that much

of course, a loser woman can believe herself a winner thanks to an endless horde of dumb thirsty simps willing to pay $10,000 a month to her just for existing

[Rei13]

Of course. Both men and women get criticized for different things all the time and there are losers in both genders. I think if the woman is pretty enough a lot of men don’t care because of that reason, but it doesn’t change the fact that they might not be a great person to be in a relationship with

[ronaldo75]

God yes. The thing is society doesn't put the same shame on it as when men do it. Look at this page, kik, facebook, whatsapp, discord. You have millions of women with no real careers, lives, accomplishments that do nothing all day but fiddle around online in their parents houses.

[Anonymous]

Yes, without question! But the world we've lived in up till the past couple generations women have largely only been EXPECTED to produce and raise offspring (ONLY... yeah that's actually no small ask really if she's doing her job well). But now in the world we live in expectations are changing. We're not there yet. But I see it in the younger generations than me. Guys expect a woman to carry her weight just as much in a relationship as him.

[petitedollbabee]

Duh. I’ve never heard or seen anyone say that it’s a male-only thing. There are plenty of losers in the world, both women and men. But everyone’s definition of a “loser” varies.

[normalice]

If men can coast by on a monetary inheritance it's only fair that women can coast by on genetic inheritance.

[Kaamraj]

Yes, but there are far fewer men who have significant inheritances (trusts) which would enable them to be life long mediocres.

[normalice]

Huh. I think you might have just stumbled upon the fundamental flaw in capitalism. Maybe all this attention to women having the possibility of not needing to do conventional work in their early 20s, if they happen to be born thin with boobs, is a distraction from how few men have any money?

[Anonymous]

She's a loser if she's a follower of Hollywood interpretation of life and her source of income is OnlyFans. I mean shit, to any girl reading, how fucking awkward is that. Walking into an accountant's office, accountant asks how you made $200,000 for the year. Her response: I sell nudes. Meanwhile girls freak out if a random dude approaches her and says she is beautiful but posting full shots of her vagina and breasts is ok :-s wtf lol.

[FreyaRed]

being obese and neglected single mother without any perspectives for good paid job due lack of education isn't epitome of success

[LazerBean]

Of course, there are plenty of losers of both genders.

[provokeesmokee]

Oh for sure. Absolutely. Some of the worst losers I know are women.

[Billlewis]

It's possible, but highly unlikely in most cases. This is my opinion only.

[DextroShade]

Women who can't or won't retain a decent man are fucking losers, so in other words spinsters and future spinsters are fucking losers regardless of their careers or income.

[KrakenAttackin]

Most single mothers are losers, but you are right. Loser women are celebrated for being "heroic". The reason is women aren't expected to produce anything, so just existing is enough.

[Anonymous]

Women who are criminally minded or drug addicts are just as much losers as men who do that (though I wouldn’t call either gender a loser it’s a pejorative term).

[MJtheCoach]

Most of them are.. but they have a va###ina so? In this weak simppy world guys just keep lying to them and keep k1ssing their a22 in hopes they’ll get laid.

[Staximus]

Sure, I know a few that refuse to get it together, stop doing drugs, get a job, or stop making poor life decisions.

[DarkLegacy]

Yes they can but loser is just another feminist buzz word insult being thrown about

[gorydetails]

The onlyfans thots on instagram degrading themselves to enrich Leonid Radvinsky are the losers.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

They can be but they always seem to be overlooked because they are more sympathized instead

[Sabretooth]

Oh, yeah... like the many who pass good men for scumbags.