It's illogical & extremely foolish and why is it a common response after a breakup (I understand being hurt but it just makes things worse and is extremely unhealthy)
To me it's like losing your job then taking all the remaining money you have and just spending it frivolously out of spite & compulsion on pointless things and drugs then wondering why you can't find another job again and why you feel miserable.
*and I've seen both guys and girls go through this but it's primary women because it's a lot easier to hook up carelessly as a women and the mainstream narrative seems to promotes this behaviour
Why is the "hoe phase" promoted & celebrated by some people?
It's *primarily women who are sometimes a bit more expressive about embracing their sexuality because they are the ones who grow up being constantly told to 'act like a lady', to not give men the 'wrong impression', etc.. So it's liberating for women to be able to stop giving a fuck and just enjoy fucking.
Imagine being told you always had to act like a lady, dress conservatively, just growing up in a household where everything was decided for you, shoved down your throat. Then you're told that you have a right to go through this "Hoe Phase" wouldn't you sleep with as many men as you could and take them for all they are worth just to give the ones who told you otherwise the middle finger?
Sigh... this is why being a woman in many ways is like living life on easy mode, cause you can do anything you want and just say you're "Owed it" for centuries of misogyny.
Men grow up told that they are idiots and that they are monsters, they father figures & role models are of the Homer Simpson variety, who are overweight, morons who struggle at basic tasks and are completely undermined by their wife/partner they shouldn't even have. We are told to open up then railroaded for doing so. We are expected to do everything with little to nothing in return and no matter what it's never good enough. There's pressure on both sexes & genders (and all the made up ones too) I just think it's funny that people want to act oblivious to the concept of "actions having consequences"
I’ve never heard of anyone being told they’re permitted to have a ‘hoe phase’.. that’d make no sense and completely negate the purpose of them being taught on how to be a lady for a good portion of their teens.
Anyhow, I’m not even gonna address the other points you pulled out of your as as it’s clear as day that you’re incel af.
@kaylaS91 Oh im sorry for upsetting you mistress, i'll try to not be such a horrible misogynistic man for questioning a woman who chooses to sleep with multiple people before finding some sad pathetic simp to wrap around her finger. Please forgive me.
The both of you ( @malik00 & @kaylas91 ) are a prime example of how not to have dicussion or debate... that was an argument with nothing gained and everything lost, do you 2 feel better now? How have you grown and what have you learned?
@op I was trying to have a legitimate discussion for the first few replies. Until @Malik00 not only completely disregarded my points, but added his own pulled completely out of left field turning an already complex topic into a thesis level one. Implying he’d rather spout off than reason so.. freedom of choice. ✌🏻
I think incel logic is more of a way to shift the blame for any shortcomings away from themselves. Even if the rationale doesn't make sense, nor does it solve the 'problem', the ego is a fragile thing. Especially when the incels are often like.. jumping from one failure to the next (bad job, not fit, next to no dating life, no social support system, etc..) 🤦♀️
I agree with that, there's always a counter argument to be had but what does that accomplish.
I'm going to use a burning building as an example, imagine you're on the 6th floor and the majority of the place is on fire and instead of escaping you're arguing with other people whether to take the stairs or the elevator and who/how it started - none of that would matter in the moment, what is important is to just get out of there before you get burnt alive.
And it's same with incels and their logic which is interconnected to other mindsets (I don't feel like mentioning or I'll loose my trail of thought). Also when it comes to blaming others or their behaviour it's justify because of their conclusions/experiences but it doesn't change the outcomes. Sadly certain things that should come natural or be easy are extremely difficult for some people and repeated failures & setbacks can skew perspectives to extremely negative & impossible ones.
I think one of the worst things is when guys sometimes realize they fall into a category like incel and instead of trying to change those aspects about themselves they instead double down & fully submerge & embrace that mindset. It would be the same as having racist beliefs and instead acknowledging it & how it may be wrong the person would rather join nazi group of the KKK or some other hate group (like the black Israelites, but that depends on color & ethnicity).
@Malik00 height, inches, income, popularity, and the ability to be superman but that's still not good enough lol because remember superman ended up with Louis Lane and not Wonder Woman Haha
it's promoted because it serves the interests of women. They can fuck millions of men and extract resources from all of them. Once they've hit the wall they have an entire army of thirsty desperate white knights and can still pick the nice guy with the most money to lock him down with marriage and kids. It's life on tutorial mode. You would have done the same.
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That sounds like something out of the church of red pill passed down in scripture throughout the manosphere lol
Well what you said is literally their talking points that I have heard too many times to count, I just assumed you were regurgitating their statements... the only downfall is most of the people involved with men's issues are grifters trying to sell some sort of online course or uncertified consultation at astronomical rates.
When you say online course the first one that comes to mind (among others) is that piece of shit Correy Wayne who charges a thousand bucks for one hour coaching session. I read his book twice and holy shit! The guy glorifies the vagina like a god! He is literally enslaves to his genitals. Then he promotes the same thing to his thirsty followers and makes a fortune of it. I called him out once in a comments section and one of his thirsty followers was trying to shame me and how I should read his book to "learn something".
Yeah that's it exactly, PUA hustlers are notorious for that shit... there's some interesting information out there but a lot of it is tainted or buried in scams & conjobs. The Red Pill and MGTOW shit isn't that far removed... the best thing to do is just live your life and find personal fulfillment through goals & accomplishments
Being careless for some time can help you find out who you are now and how you changed during your last relationship because maybe you just dont want the same thing again and thats the reason your relationship failed
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I don't agree, it's destructive and makes the person undesirable & untrustworthy. I've know people who lie, cheat and steal, though I never approved of their actions I always thought that they would never do that to me because I was their friend but I was naive. It's the same as this, you can't just embrace bad habits without consequences or the idea you'll just stop when you're ready because most of the time neither is true. Framing/stating it as "exploring what I want" & "trying to figure myself out" are weak excuses for inexcusable behaviour. We all make mistakes but intentionally doing it over and over we take you somewhere you don't want to go.
Because all actions have consequences & it depends what you end up wanting to have/do, because we can't erase our past and we're free to do what we want to do just the same as people are free to hold that against you and decided not to engage.
@Malik00 No you always pretend like guys dont do that at all who do you think these girls have sex with? Guys do it too. I dont have a problem with my bfs sexal history and he not with mine
No. I'm hating them because they can do whatever they want without consequence or criticism. And I CAN'T do what i want without consequence or criticism.
In fact. Have a woman hit on a man and not take no for an answer, and have a man do the same thing and tell me who gets demonized.
Oh the issue isn't with men who have multiple sexual partners. It's with men who don't. Would you be as accepting if you realized you were your boyfriend's first?
@Malik00 I wouldn't realy have a problem if I was my bfs first I would wonder a bit why he's still a virgin at 23 but if nothing is weird I wouldn't mind it
Asker isn't "hating." It's logical and how it is. He's simply saying women who do this are throwing away their opportunities for a higher caliber of man/relationship/life. You (in general, not personally) can do whatever ever you want but you can't complain about the outcomes if it turns out poor because you chose to be irresponsible in youth.
I remember when I was still a virgin, I had an opportunity to lose it to someone and I ended telling them (because they asked) and they laughed right in my face in the bed next to me... and then when I actually lost my virginity to a different girl a year or 2 later she eventually asked me after we had sex for last time (we had little fling for a few months) she laughed in my face when she found out she was my 1st (inhindsight I should have lied when she asked me but she could sense something was off) and that was the last time we were together lol I can't tell you how many other awkward & awful stories I have of similar circumstances.
Yep. I decided to wait on purpose because i thought my restraint would be something worthy of respect instead as you can see, its met with mockery and ridicule, and this is something many women don't seem to understand or care about.
I understand that their are 4 people talking/responding but that completely lacked understanding & empathy, I opened up about something in the past that was painful & awkward and embarrassing and you basically said "go fuck yourself" and that's completely fine, you are free to respond anyway you want but understand if you have sex with multiple partners and amass a body count of 50,100, or 150 plus people and end up with a kid or 2 as a single mom just know that most guys will have zero interest you and when you complain about not being able to find a guy or where did all the good men go, you will be met with the same response as "go fuck yourself"
Then like the Asker mentioned, said women shouldn't complain that men don't want anything to do with them when they clearly show a complete lack of responcibility.
Most people who choose to go through this aren't you. Many who do this do so with complete abandon not really caring about long term consequences, and even if you do you have to make the choice between either lying about your sexual history, or assuring any long term spouse you get with that you aren't going to exploit or neglect them.
I'm not complaining, I'm asking a question, all of this is interconnected, even with safety precautions shit happens and who's to say that your not irresponsible?
Okay here's my opinion so does it make it okay if we as men go through a faze of beating woman making our wives work and provide for the family while we bitch and moan about money for shopping all while banging your friend because you didn't shut the fuck up when we said shut the fuck up I don't think all of yous act the same and to the guy asking treat them all like fucking hoes because no matter what they all are eventually so when it's how season you don't give a fuck and just dickem down on to the next then they wonder why we don't respect them respect yourself first how can I respect you when you don't respect yourself truth facts
@GuiltymeneverLMAO303 I dont fully understand what you're saying but I saw things about chaeting and asking for money this question never was about that it was about woman having casual sex while being single
I don't mind women who have had causal sex with a lot of people as long as they are honest about it and tell me so that I can avoid them and won't waste my time dating them because I don't want them. My only problem with them would be if they lied to me. But since I'm virgin and only want a virgin girl who wants to save it til marriage it would be hard to lie to me. And dude it takes two to do it. Women wouldn't be able to have a lot of partners if there wasn't men who sleep around
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Agreed, that's why I'm not a fan of male promiscuity either, I've heard the lame argument that some guys make advocating this and then turn around to shame women for having lots of sex which is ridiculous & hypocritical.
Omg, are you me lol? I'm a virgin and feel the same way, not interested at all if they've had other partners sexually. Anyways, unfortunately, we make up the minority now due to hookup culture. The majority believe that people like us, even thinking about asking, about body count is wrong even though logically it's only fair. Like we're supposed to just accept anything.
Because they're STUPID. But let these women be treated as hoes because it only benefits the men that screw them. If they women get pregnant, have STDs, and can't have a healthy relationship that's their problem! Keep on hoeing HOES
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