I get it. Men like me will never understand what it feels like, but honestly this seems absolutely ridiculous to me…
419 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. They can ask all they want, but the result is that their employability will be reduced again.
Except for the biggest companies, no one can afford to hire someone who will be on paid leave every month and have to be replaced, that's the kind of money most company can't afford.
Even if it's not paid leave, it's still time when the employee won't be there and a replacement will have to be hired. Which cost money, and time as the replacement will have to be trained.
You could also pay it with tax money, but that would be another weight on all taxpayers, including those who aren't concerned by it.
You can feel for the ladies who go through that, and shit that's pretty brutal, but if you look from a company point of view, it's money lost, when many couldn't afford it. Money they wouldn't lose by hiring a guy. That's the reality of it.
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The women who constantly ask for this kind of leave simply because of their period are making it worse for ones like me who just go to work anyways. It's one thing to take your own unpaid sick days because of an underlying medical condition made worse by menstruation. But taking 5 days off because you don't want to have your period at work is another and if more women ask for this, the rest of us who don't will end up getting punished for it.
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@musicbrain5 Sadly, you know that if a paid leave for painful periods is put in place, there will be many more women like that, taking a leave even if they don't need it. It might work for a couple of years, then companies will start avoiding women to not deal with that problem.
It's a pretty complicated matter, and while I understand women who are really in pain, we have to look at the bigger picture. - +1 y
Where I live, nobody is legally required to say why they're taking a sick day or even just a day off. Companies or bosses are not even allowed to ask you. Plus most sick days here are unpaid anyways.
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+1 yAll of a sudden now they need time off from work when it's never been the case for all of history. Women - giving employers another reason to hire men instead.
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Agree. Modern women just like being a victim
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It's not about they "think they deserve", it's about the fact that some women can't function at all during those days.
Some women (most of them) can work during their first 2 days of periods, others (less) struggle a lot, and others (even less) literally cannot. I am one who literally couldn't, until it gradually became a bit more bearable some years ago. So I used to stay at home for one day per month from school and from work (unless it happened during weekends), because I had not only excessive pain but I couldn't focus on anything, completely stupid and unable to remember immediate short term things, like when you get those rare high fever flu episodes where your fever is so high you are totally confused, fatigued and knocked out. Useless in an office regardless of the pain, to be honest.
Now I can manage because I have less pain and I am a little less mentally numb, although still considerably more defeated and dizzy than average. But it's bearable enough to not skip working days anymore, just I'm not as functional as I could, for around 36 hours.
So me, like probably many other women, aren't just "having fun with artificial rights" like you seem to imply, and anyway skipping work is not a good thing because depending on the country you either get less money or finsh your days off using available vacation days, and become less and less trustworthy to the eyes of your managers. In my early 20s I was constantly considered very negatively by colleagues for that, but I just couldn't go, so, I didn't, even at the cost of getting a bad reputation.So, like anyone, when a worker feels bad (for whatever reason) will decide subjectively if it's the case to stay home or not depending on how they feel vs responsibilities/emergencies at their jobplace.
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+1 yYou don't get it, period.
There are some people who are fortunate and can function in their period just like normal, there are some who can function but not to a great extent, and there are some who can't at all.
If you had any condition that may sometimes cause you to get too sick to function, wouldn't you consider yourself "deserving" of leaves? If you had hypertension or diabetes or whatever else, and that kept you from being able to function at times so you took leaves, why should it be any different if it also happens because of periods?
Lots of people have issues like ovarian cysts, PCOS, endometriosis etc that make their periods exceptionally painful and irritable. I always had to take a day or two off in school because every time I went I had to come back home early.
Before you argue "but women in the past didn't need any of these leaves" you're forgetting that the world is bigger than you think and there were and still are many cultures in the world when women actually rested when they were on their period and did not do any work.
Get out of your capitalist mindset that we are required to be productive in an industrial sense all the time or not being able to be productive by those measures is somehow making you deficient or less worthy.
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Then those are actually caused by ovarian cyst, pcos, endometriosis or etc. Not caused by the period itself. That would basically be just a sick leave. And yes those women in the past in some cultures take rest maybe it's because they are also the culture that actually let women work with heavy duty jobs. But if you think about it, they didn't have any pain killers and if you say the world is so big then there are also many ways and techniques on how those women overcome it. It's just that now a lot of women are depending on pain killers and you know, the most basic thing to do to be functional and to prevent those cramps is to have a proper exercise, lifestyle, habbit and diet is that applies to any other sickness as well. Except that advice can just become so cliche that can make the medical healthcare sound boring so they look for other advice to get their pain killers and other medications sold.
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@Aiko_E_Lara painkillers often come with great side effects, I had to stop taking mine because while they alleviated period cramps, they gave my other nasty symptoms that made me sick for several more days and I was ultimately better off just staying off-meds and resting at home with hot water bags. In all these years I haven't found a painkiller that works.
When working on trying to function is more work than the function itself, we have a problem. I'm not gonna spend my whole life dedicated to finding the pain killer that works when resting at home for a day or two has worked well enough in all these years.
Even if your biggest fear is that some women will use it as an excuse to be "lazy", the alternative is far worse. - +1 y
I'm not speaking just for you but many other women with doctors that just prescribe them that. And when the effect comes, another diagnosis, another sale for the doctors. Muscles that are prone to cramps are those weak muscles because they tend to be easily overwhelmed when contraction happens. What made the cramp pain isn't in the uterus itself but it's the uterine muscles also connected to the pelvis that has to be strengthen and stretched. Actually there are other exercises you can google. "But it doesn't work for all" then find what works for you. It's actually just easier to normalize the issue than to solve it. That's just like if you're obese and you can't lose weight, you normalize it then you complain why you get tired so easily. If that's the case, should obese people get a time off? No. That's also like asking if a man should get a time off for being a modern man.
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@Aiko_E_Lara do people without uteruses get to say anything about our reproductive health? No, period. :)
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People that have a brain can. If you like to say no uterus, no opinion, then i can also say for you, no brain, no opinion.
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Also if that's the case, there should be no female urologists. Why do you think they even exist when they don't have penis?
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or female Andrologists rather
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@Aiko_E_Lara Are you a doctor or are you just running your mouth?
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@musicbrain5 It's sad that's the only option you can think of. I'm not a doctor. Neither are you. But what I said still stands
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@Aiko_E_Lara But you keep going on about something that you have no personal experience with. And if you are not a doctor, you have no practical textbook knowledge of these things either. It will be more beneficial for you to listen and learn from women and their experiences first, instead of saying that we are wrong or that we should just solve everything through diet and exercise.
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@musicbrain5 But you know what, I'm a human and I experience sickness. But what I do, i make solutions. Also again where did I say that they don't hurt? I mean aren't they the ones having to talk about how bad it is and they should get a time off? Oh sure but the question is about women deserving a time off because of their period. He's not being specific. He's just talking about periods not the cramps, Endometriosis, fibroids, ovarian cysts. Are you even listening to the question tho before you ask me if I'm listening to the women here?
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@musicbrain5 I'm not a doctor but I know marketing so I basically know what the health care's and the doctor's motives are. So let me ask you, do you even know how marketing works? Yeah I'm saying "we should just solve everything through diet and exercise." but it's not even stopping there. I'm still talking about specific ways that works for you. Are you just cherry picking on what I said to give it an illusion that I never elaborated anything?
+1 yLots the times for me it just sucks ass to feel all the intense cramps at work, they will literally interfere during normal work conversations and make me stop for a minute and immediately have to announce the sharp shooting strangle like clutch of pain that I’m feeling intensely in my fucking uterus for the duration of usually a minute or two and that’s not even the half of it since they come up at random throughout the week of being on it.
I get it, “just take ibuprofen or pamprin” and most of us do but sometimes even that shit doesn’t help and lots the times I’m too pissed off and already feeling gross inside and out from my period that I don’t even give a shit about how it looks when I call out for this reasoning. The shit fucking sucks and ofc guys will never understand, I almost feel like some of them are just jealous/bitter about when we call out for it because they don’t get to call out for any hormonal “excuses” the same way.
Also, some jobs still don’t consider being on your period as a valid excuse anyway so sometimes it really doesn’t matter the reason, a call out is a call out.10 Reply373 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. Mmm, I personally know women that use their period as an excuse to be an asshole, or to call in sick when they are just getting their hair done for example. However, we have no jurisdiction here as men. It's topics like this that makes it clear why women have to be included in all aspects of government. Because, a man saying women don't deserve time off for their periods, is almost like a woman trying to tell a man that being kicked in the balls isn't that bad. Some women are definitely going to abuse time off, absolutely, and I feel like that's where you are taking this argument, but to be fair I don't know anyone that doesn't at least occasionally call in sick when they aren't. That being said, I don't think it would be fair to give women more sick time simply for being women, because not all women experience the same discomfort during menstruation. This is definitely a topic worth discussing, but we've gotta acknowledge that our opinions are going to be biased because we aren't women, and have never experienced period pain.
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+1 yNot all women feel pain in their periods!
Women shouldn't get leave for periods itself but only if they are getting severe unbearable cramps and can barely stand up. They should get leaves in such extreme conditions only because no employer wants their work to be messed up due to reasons like health reasons. Slight cramps, slight abdomen pain, slight headaches and such things shouldn't get a leave, it's pretty much manageable and also you don't need to have periods to feel that. If you are honest, sincere and dedicated to your work then you won't find excuses for skipping it. I would regularly have this bad shoulder cramp during my music practice (for bad position maybe? I don't know) for school function and my fingers became slightly sore often (I was the only pianist in the group so I got many tough parts and had to play throughout the performance). The loud speakers would often make me feel dizzy and I nearly fainted once for that! And the worst thing is I have this bad phobia for loud noise. So when the practice would be over, the rest students will start playing their own things while their instrument was still attached to speaker and I had to endure that annoying loud noise. Despite this I played flawlessly during the performance day. Yes this is just an example of enduring physical pain during work. No, I don't have period pains, in fact I don't feel any negative symptoms at all. But pain is pain, no matter if it comes from periods or anything else. It was my sincerity and dedication due to which I never skipped any practice session and did well in final day. I know girls who have extremely painful periods and it is bad to this extent that they literally have problems in standing up or even breathing or extreme cramps, women should get leave in such serious condition only where it becomes unbearable and uncomfortable to work because it can seriously harm them and their work as well.
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+1 y% of women who supposedly have truly debilitating periods is 20% of the population.
I say supposedly even as a woman because there's never really been a study on their pain tolerance or if they use pain killers for relief to help (I'm trained in medicine & pharmacy the number of people who are so surprised when everyday advil or tylenol does wonders for "terrible aches & pains" is sometimes just utterly mindboggling).
There ARE conditions only women get (such as PCOS) that can be debilitating but they are NOT periods. No more than when I am severely dehydrated my back (or more kidneys) are in agony & I am literally doubled over at the waist trying to walk. Yes periods can exasperate these conditions but proper medical treatment of the underlying issue (e. g. PCOS) would reduce or entirely remove the higher pain.
In that regard if someone was suffering from PCOS pain and saying this is period pain that is like saying a broken toe is a broken leg and treating the leg, not the toe.
The problem is, is the average woman does not look after her reproductive health.
The average woman with severe cramps is NOT going to go to her doctor & say hey this isn't right, they're just going to curl up in a corner with a tub of ice cream and cry. They'll "suffer" through it when in most cases medical testing would more than likely relieve it.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI don't actually think you do get it. In my entire life, I can count on 2 hands the amount of times I have missed work/school that weren't planned vacation times, and at least 4 of those times were due to my period. those four times I was violently throwing up and feeling like I was repeatedly being kicked by a mule. Pain medication did NOTHING to stop it. I've been lucky enough that I don't typically have it bad, but hormones are unpredictable things and can effect each woman differently. The manager of my supervisor team used to call me on private, and I would find her on the ground in cripling pain, tears rolling down her eyes, trying to keep her s---t together. You have no idea what it's like to feel like that and still have to try to go to school, work, live your life as if you don't feel that way because maybe some dude thinks it's unfair...irony. We can't turn it off or decide we want an easy period or determine when those god awful symptoms will strike and it's not like a leg cramp where you have one, massage and rest it and it goes away. Nope, you have a week of this...every...single...month...
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+1 yAs an expert in women's health, I wanted to address your question about why some women believe they deserve time off for their menstrual cycle. First and foremost, it's important to understand that every woman's experience with menstruation is different. While some women may experience mild discomfort or inconvenience, others may have severe symptoms that can greatly impact their daily lives.
Personally, I can speak to the challenges of dealing with menstrual pain and how it can affect one's ability to work or focus on tasks. I remember one particular instance where I was working in a fast-paced, high-stress job and my period pain was so severe that I was struggling to concentrate on my work. I felt like I was letting my team down, but I simply couldn't push through the pain. After speaking with my boss, I was able to take a day off to rest and recover. This allowed me to return to work feeling refreshed and more productive.
In addition to physical symptoms, menstrual cycles can also bring about emotional and mental stress. Hormonal changes can lead to mood swings, anxiety, and even depression. It's important for women to prioritize their mental health and take time off if needed. Employers should recognize the impact that menstruation can have on their employees and create policies that allow for flexibility and understanding. Ultimately, we should be working towards creating a culture that values and respects women's health and wellness, rather than shaming them for needing time off during their menstrual cycle.
20 ReplyI understand where you are coming from. When you don’t experience things in your own skin it is hard to understand. It varies from woman to woman. Each woman has a different body some have light pain and light periods others don’t. Take me as an example now it’s manageable because I’m onset and I took hormones to improve it but right when I started having a period up to the 4 year I would have horrible pain that would last up to a week and a half. My blood loss would be serve I would wear diapers and it still wouldn’t work. On top of constant pain I would have strong migraine and feel like throwing up list if appetite. By the end of the menstrual cycle I would be so exhausted because it difficult to do regular things when your in so much pain and discomfort. I think it depends on the individual and if there is a medical letter stating that this person goes through all of this I feel like this woman should be excused from work. Equal rights another example I don’t like the fact how woman have maternity leave and fathers don’t a father is fundamental in the new borns life as well and should be excused. So it all depends on the situation you know.
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+1 yBecause it is just because it's exclusive to them. It's just another way for them to look for special treatment. Sure i'd say it's reasonable if they want a time off because they're not feeling well like they're having cramps or other period issues but not because of their periods itself. If it was really true that women can't do anything on their periods then none of them would've been walking around which actually proves that having cramps that extreme is not normal which is why it's called "dysmenorrhea" in the first place AKA the name of the sickness.
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Oh and that should've just been considered a sickly leave.
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And look 4 people who dislike just can't handle the truth.
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And it's really cute how you despite having one don't know any better.
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@Sasha0426 Ok it's quite flattering you're calling me a doctor even tho I'm not.
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@Sasha0426 Better than shitty without the doctor just like you
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Then i can also say your'd rather be a snowflake patient who'd womansplain to anyone about periods
602 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. The same reason some men think they deserve the same level of care as female breast cancer patients.
Just because it's exceptional, does not mean it's insignificant. Some women have terrible times with their menstrual health. It's not always possible to use sick days or sway employers to accommodate that. Hence making it law is using a hammer to sway dimwits who do not understand - or choose not to.
Male breast cancer is in a similar place. Very few men get it, but those that do, will get no sympathy or decent level of care for it. Few employers or females understand.
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Great answer! And anyone with cancer “breast” or otherwise should get the same lever of treatment/care…
+1 ySome women can't do much on their periods due to the pain & cramps being so bad. I once was in so much pain that I thought I wouldn't have been able to get myself some flavored seltzer for my pill (I did it though). There's also other symptoms like period poops, body aches, headaches, migraines, nausea/vomiting, etc. It's also easier and more convenient to be able to change our period product when we need to or if we have a leakage accident. When you're working it makes it harder to do stuff that is a need for us.
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+1 yMaybe because bleeding is gross and disgusting especially for women like me who bleed heavily, how the fuck can I work like that? The first day or so isn’t bad but literally it’s so nasty once it actually gets going along with the intense cramps I get and constantly having to go to the bathroom.. working in customer service I don’t like working in that condition being all bloody nasty and smelly along with pain from a period and it’s annoying having to go back and forth to the restrooms. You really don’t fucken get it.
20 ReplyActually it’s like having a wound that hurts enough where you can’t breathe easily, while talking to people, nor focus a lot on what they’re saying.
TRUST ME, I love my periods and hate if ladies complain, but one bad one got me while I had a job interview… it was manageable, but it was- like I said, a bit to focus on, and difficult to just be able to breathe at ease.
Not all are like that.. but given, a woman is bleeding internally… I think anyone bleeding internally should have THAT day off, or the days off until the pains no longer persist, or the bleeding stops. 👐
If people can take off for some virus or a cough, I think some should be able to take off from bleeding. Literal bleeding. Can we take a moment to all say
Literal… BLEEDING
BLEEDING BLOOD
BLEEDING
BLEEDDING
BLEEDING
(Why could they have off)?
BLEEDING
BLEEDING
lol so yeah (takes a breath), that’s why.
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+1 yFirst, you are in physical pain (not me but most women), next you are overly emotional, like the other day I was on my period and cried at work without a reason, I just felt like crying. I had a great day and all, but the tears still came to me without any reasons, I wanted it to stop but couldn’t control lol
That was awkward, I was trying to hide my face so that no one could notice.
It seriously disturbs you being functional.
For me it’s usually the other way around and I feel energetic when on my period, but still for the most of women it’s the opposite.
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+1 ySo which is it? That you get it, or that it's absolutely ridiculous?
It's often not the bleeding itself that is an issue for most women (there is dysmenorrhea which is a whole beast in itself, though). It's usually the symptoms that accompany periods - and with that it usually because there is an underlying disease like endometriosis, polycystic ovarian syndrome, ovarian tumours/cancer that might be undiagnosed, uterine fibroids, maybe she was unknowingly in early pregnancy and is miscarrying... there are so many factors. There are also autoimmune conditions that can make things worse.
However, employers should not be obligated to give time off to women just for that. These are times where accumulated sick days or vacation days should be used, in my opinion, just like for any other condition.
00 Reply 377 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. First I would like to say that everyone's body is different and so is their menstrual cycle.
As for me, I would get terrible migraines three days before I actually started my period.
That was the worst part. Then I would get moderate menstrual cramps, take some ibuprofen and feel better. Tylenol does not work when you have pain period.
So, along with slight mood changes, and what I just mentioned that's about it. I never missed work or school because of it.
Now, I knew a young lady at work and she would get majorly sick each month. Vomiting several times, horrible pain, headaches, and had to leave work. Her Dad was a surgeon and I couldn't figure out why he couldn't get a doctor to help her. Poor thing!00 ReplyBecause many of us end up in so much pain that we can't move, throw up, and sometimes even faint. Because a combination of extreme mood swings, bleeding into our underwear, pain, cravings, and low energy makes us dysfunctional.
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@ManOnFire Evidently
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@ManOnFire Luckily it doesn't happen to everyone, every time. Throwing up is a little more common.
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That would basically be a sick leave if you say it doesn't happen to everyone so meaning it's not really normal. Just because many do get it doesn't mean you'd normalize the issue. That's like normalizing obesity, diabetes, cancer and so on just because they're getting more common now.
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@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not normalizing anything, but the asker clearly didn't know anything about the effects of menstruation, and what it can do, so I was giving them.
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No. He's asking "Time off for their period" not asking "Time off for their period cramps or any period related sickness" you're still giving a vague answer. He didn't ask what it can do so is it a yes or a no?
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That question is kinda comparable to asking if men should get a time off because he's a modern man.
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@AmyHew1tt I’m not unaware of the effects child. I don’t think it justifies skipping out on work.
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@ManOnFire I did a few months ago. My period was so heavy on day 2 at work, that I literally couldn't stand up from the toilet, like someone opened the blood tap, I used tampons within an hour, and because of the blood loss, I fainted, and I was taken to the A&E. Got medication and iron, so it's ok now.
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@ManOnFire A little yes, but I was dizzy, and I couldn't think straight. also, more worried that I would bleed all over my workplace. My boss took me to A&E. It also happened that I was on the Tube, I was standing up to get off at my station and I could feel and see the blood soaking through my jeans. Luckily it was very early in the morning, but one of the most embarrassing moment of my life, gave me ptsd for years.
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@ManOnFire It's happened to me 3 times - but I fainted from the cramping and pain. I had no idea what was going on. Took nearly six more months afterwards for doctors and nurses to take me seriously when I complained of this problem. Both male and female staff. It seemed that nobody gave a flying fuck about my concerns and said it was all in my head and shit.
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@musicbrain5 See? Treating you like it's all in your head. That's the bullshit I was talking about on my question about female nurses and doctors. What the hell is wrong with these people to write off what we're feeling?
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But sometimes what they don't realize is that it can technically be a choice to get severe cramps or not. Because no one can get sick for no reason. There are actually many ways to treat it or to prevent it from happening such as having a proper exercise, diet, habit and lifestyle which is a basic solution to any kinds of sickness but it's just so cliche that doctors just don't use those kind of answers. They just want you to keep coming back for that their pain killers get sold. And maybe the reason why there are a lot of people who wouldn't care about it is because maybe it isn't really a common thing or the solution is just so obvious but i a lot just don't bother doing it.
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@Aiko_E_Lara Exercise, diet, habits and lifestyle? It’s not always that easy, my friend. Good luck giving those suggestions to people with PCOS, endometriosis, or fibroids, etc. I guarantee you that they are already following those recommendations. Besides, if doctors and nurses really wanted to push pills like you say they do, they wouldn’t be telling us that nothing is wrong and it’s all in our heads. They would be handing out pills.
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@musicbrain5 And who's saying it's easy? It's also just like when someone is obese then they complain that they get tired so easily and people tell them to lose weight. And because it isn't easy, they normalize the issue. You don't know how many people are considered obese by the older generation's standards that's considered normal in today's society. And another example would be, look at how many men becoming weak, turning into soy boys, becoming irritable, having painful balls and having some chronic pains. Men's testosterone are prone to dropping compared to women's estrogen. And "because it's not easy to work out, lets normalize it and we should try to let companies give men some time off because we're modern men"! Also did mention the fact anything about They tell you there's nothing wrong because again, telling people to improve their life style is actually the most true but a really cliche thing to say. And yeah doctors do have at least something to prescribe if you're not feeling well despite your diagnostic being fine.
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@musicbrain5 Also those girls with PCOS, endometriosis, or fibroids, etc. having nothing to with periods alone. If you really like to say it has anything to do with periods than I can just say having a heart decease has anything to do with having a heart and maybe it would be better if we're all heartless (litterally).
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@Aiko_E_Lara “who’s saying it’s easy?” You did, or at the very least, you implied it with the whole thing about healthy habits and diet. It’s clear you don’t even know what endometriosis is. It’s when the uterine lining (the endometrium) starts growing outside of the uterus on surrounding tissue in the abdomen. Because it is made up of endometrial cells, about once a month they get engorged with blood, start breaking down and bleeding. But there’s nowhere for it to go, so they just bleed and break down inside the abdominal cavity. The majority of the symptoms are directly related to menstruation www.mayoclinic.org/.../syc-20354656
Fibroids are usually benign, but can also be a cause of dysmenorrhea. The treatment is usually trying to remove them, but the surgery is invasive and they usually grow back. Or there is hysterectomy, but that is very extreme. They typically shrink after complete menopause is reached. - +1 y
That's why I'm not convinced you know very much about periods. It's not a one-size fits all situation. It's true some luckier women get light pain, and light bleeding, but the majority have at least one to three days of extreme cramping and very heavy bleeding. Every woman I know has vomited from the pain at least a few times in their life, and passed out temporarily. Painkillers can become ineffective or dangerous when taken too often. They've stopped working for me altogether.
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@ManOnFire Yes I saw your question after I answered this one, haha. It’s frustrating. But it’s okay, the other guy in this thread says your pain and other problems can just be totally solved by proper exercise, diet, habits, and lifestyle.
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Ok. where did I say all periods are the same? And if you like to put words on people's mouth as if I'm saying it's easy, tell where exactly I said it's easy? Me implying it with the whole thing about healthy habits and diet just means the answer is just as easy or as obvious as you think but that doesn't mean the solution itself is easy to do. I mean really, why do you think I compared it working out to stay fit and to boost testosterone when many people are also struggling with it? Because I never said it's easy. It's also like this, not all people do the same diet to achieve their body goal. Because someone can't lose weight, they're automatically unlucky? No. It's just they haven't found their preferred solution yet. You can literally google ways to reduce cramps and there are many results. The question is how many are actually following it. "But they don't work on all women so I believe that it won't work on me however, i believe in the articles saying there's no way to treat it" You know, that mindset is kinda like cherry picking on just reasons to give in.
"Because it is made up of endometrial cells, about once a month they get engorged with blood, start breaking down and bleeding. But there’s nowhere for it to go, so they just bleed and break down inside the abdominal cavity. The majority of the symptoms are directly related to menstruation"
Everything happens for a reason. If you like to trace back to our oldest ancestors, our bodies aren't really made to just keep sitting in our desk/cars all day, lying down in bed after vacuuming or whatever cleaning gadgets we use, then lie down with our phones/TVs and only exercise when we feel like it. - +1 y
There are many other modern activities that we humans do that actually altered our bodies. We have parts of our bodies that are bigger and smaller compared to our ancestors so that's why we look nothing like the early humans and can include your uterus. Your uterus muscles may have become smaller due to inactivity which is why the there’s room for the cells to go. It's still our responsibility to reverse the damages of the bad habits you or your later ancestors did. I can also give you another example of body alteration. Why do some people have impacted teeth specially when wisdom teeth grows? It's because when you take a look at those old humans, they have longer jaws because they had been eating hard food with better nutrients that made them suppose to look that way. And because they have longer jaws, those new teeth growing just lines up properly. As nutrients decrease, our face got smaller leaving less space for the newer teeth to grow so they don't need to go to dentists. That's another example of body alteration.
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In the modern days, people's psoas muscles become smaller causing a nerve pinch. And because it's getting common, should people with it get special treatment and normalize it? And by the way, the rest of what I said actually still stands. I gave examples about obesity being an epidemic, and also the way men look and functions now.
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@musicbrain5 I've been doing that. I go to the gym and I even did no sugar for a month. Whatever it was, I just hope it doesn't happen again.
See the thing is periods affect women differently. I've got some friends who barely feel minor discomfort during the time and then I've got friends who have pain that literally knocks them off their feet. So it's a fact that some women simply cannot function during that period. And periods aren't something they can control, it's a natural phenomenon that happens so we can't blame them either. So I'd say yes, I'd rather they be able to to take a break during that time rather than suffer through it cause of some whiny messed up concept of equality that some guys have.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yVictim mentality. Was engaged to a girl who took 3 sick days per month because she could and told her employers why. Her employers couldn't tell her no because yiu are entitled to a certain amount of sick days per year. So what her employers did as most do here in the UK is take a cold hard look at your job attendance during the year when it comes to renewing contracts and tracking performance and they'd see that she would miss something like a 36 or more working days per year, that's over a month she missed. Of course these employers let her go. She could never understand this though I explained this to her multiple times but she never listened and job after job she was either just let go or her contract wasn't renewed.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yIt's not a matter of thinking that they deserve a time off, it's a matter of really needing to skip work or school. Some women have severe pain, nausea, headaches, some throw up, feel dizzy. On top of that, some bleed a lot, so they need to go the bathroom constantly.
There were two times in my life when I was so stressed that I ended up having my period for 13 days. I was also bleeding a lot more than I was supposed to. Can you imagine that? Do you think you would be able to feel ok under these circumstances? I'm sure you wouldn't.
Sure, you're a man you'll never have a period, you don't know how to have a period feels like, but don't assume that it's easy. Women/girls who skip work/school because of their period are not lying at all.
Having a period is not a luxury. It's not something that you can choose when it's going to happen or how it's going to be. It can be a total nightmare!
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 ylol seriously? would you like to be bleeding constantly, be in crippling pain (literally doubled over sometimes), having irritated bowels? dizzy, nauseous? how the fuck are you supposed to concentrate on your work like that? you really think it's absolutely ridiculous? you sound absolutely ridiculous. when you have a combination of these things, every month!, come back here.
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Yeah yeah. Women are such victims. Yawn 🥱
Opinion Owner+1 ylmao okay pal.
If you ask me then you should be able to take off time of work for plenty of things that are not outright sickness such as if someone you knew well died and you feel horrible about it. Being forced into work with no regards for your well being is just extremely hostile to humanity quite frankly.
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+1 yOf course it seems ridiculous to you. You also answered your own question, you are a men and will never understand. To you, periods are a walk in the park and fun, not painful or worth considering of any consideration. It’s just something women should endure because it’s a woman’s issue.
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+1 yThey just do and they should. Is it possible they are mostly, already paying for time off by way of lower wages?
I'd bet the "error rate" during that time increases substantially. That may not be an issue in some jobs, but others it's life altering. Where is science on this issue?
I'd wonder how safe it is to have nurses measuring fluids, officers with guns.
that said men make mistakes as well...
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+1 yI think if a company has reached a certain size and the woman is working a certain type of job and she has something like an iron deficiency it makes sense to allow a few days off.
It's a hard issue because I know that for a relatively small percentage of woman it probably isn't fair. But in practice it would likely put employers in awkward and litigus positions.
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+1 yPeriods are, for many of us, at worst inconvenient, annoying, and uncomfortable. For some, however, they can be debilitating and outright horrific. Periods should not be that painful. If they are, they need to find and remedy the underlying cause. If time off is needed, use allotted sick leave. I see no need to create a special menstrual leave category or add days to existing sick leave accrual.
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+1 yI would imagine it is no different than you taking a sick day. They feel like crap and it's unlikely they can easily work in their condition, especially, if the cramps are agonizing and bend them over in discomfort.
We will never know what it is like, but that doesn't mean we should be callous/insensitive to what they are going through.
00 ReplyAs far as I know, no one is telling us we can't take PTO for our periods. If they want special days off on the basis of biology then they can take a hike.
People with chronic disease/condition flare ups don't have that luxury, neither should we.
00 ReplyIt’s not that they think they deserve it. It’s that some women experience extreme pain during their time of the month. Endometriosis, fibroids, ovarian cysts just to name a few diseases that plague women. I personally have PCOS and often have cysts rupture; and when I do get my period is heavy and draining if I can I sleep during that time.
00 Replyperiod cramps are so so awful. my friend said i looked like i was dying on day 1 for my period last time. its not that we ‘deserve’ a time off, its a NEED sometimes. for me, usually it’s okay, but for one or two days it’s unbearable pain and i can't even walk normally because my period cramps are KILLING ME-
00 ReplyAfter years of being in an absolute misery the first two days on my period I learnt to start on maximum dose pain killer before it even starts. Kind of holds it a bay when the pain comes but If you wait until your pain is advanced, pain killer will do absolutely nothing. You still feel miserable but can at least function. I used to be doubled over feeling like I could hardly breathe, let alone move around and work. The pain is so relentless. My sister on the other hand just has minor pain with hers.
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+1 yThere are men out there that do get it, you know we don't have to experience things - to understand them. I've never been locked in the balls but I can still understand that it's extremely painful.
I don't think I deserve time off - but I sometimes should require time off and been told to do so, since I can barely do my job at times, my period can give me severe cramps. It can get so bad, that I curl up on the floor - puking my guts out.
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+1 yExactly, you will never understand it nor do you want to.
As others have already said, many women feel mild discomfort, other women feel fine and then there are women who can barely function on their period.
You guys constantly hate on women being entitled, whiny and entitled but we're simply different. Men and women are different. So you either accept that and stop hating or keep on the hate but don't be surprised when so many feminazis and SJWs show up.
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+1 yProbably because they feel like s**t, I don’t come on obviously but I know people who do, my mum was in agony with hers rolling around on the floor, my mate when she’s on she’s in some pain but she gets diarrhoea bellyache feels like s**t and has passed out before now, if a woman feels as bad as that they should have time off work to recover, maybe it is a natural part of her life but she doesn’t have to like it.
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Sound the simp alarm
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I’m not a simp whatever that is, I’m just a guy with common decency something you don’t seem to have,
let me kick you in the gut every so often you won’t know when it’s coming I’ll just do it at random, see how you like that, then you’ll understand how a woman feels.
Please do us all a favour and please don’t have children especially girls as you will make an awful father.
+1 yI've seen REALLY bad periods on some women I've been with or friends. I honestly feel bad for them. I would hate to go through that once a month. Quite an unfair deal natura did with them.
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+1 yFor some women, it's completely debilitating. For others, it's a minor pain in the ass. Still for others, it's a hormonal nightmare where the mood swings and temper flares are excessive. Believe me brother, giving them time off when that happens is a blessing. LOL
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+1 ySometimes a period is so bad you can’t do anything but lay there. Thank God it’s not always that bad but in my teens and early twenties there would be like a fifty percent chance it would be like that. I would throw up from the pain. Every woman is different but for me my worst period pain has been worst than child birth.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yUhh... Every woman is different. Women bleed from their vaginas once a month and get cramps, bloating, moody and other discomforts. I know a coworker who gets terrible migraines to the point she can't see.
After I got a better understanding of what they go through, this is one of those things that I'm not going to question anymore.
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+1 yBecause even after taking painkillers I feel tired and I'm not even anaemic. My blood tests are normal. Doctors also advise rest during this time of the month. I thought Western society was kinder to females but now I've realised that isn't the case.
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+1 yI mean if it happens normally then you don’t need time off regularly.. you have to manage it with whatever.. beyond that if it can’t be managed just to get through the day.. you need to fix it.. take a day off to heal or something go see a doctor to get it fixed..
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+1 yListen, I once had a severe stomach cramp at work for about 5 minutes, and I promise the pain is literally unbearable, feels like I was shot by a gun in the gut.
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+1 ySorry fellas, I'm gonna have to side with the girls on this one.
Growing up with two sisters, I've seen what that time of the month can do to a girl.
It's better for everyone if they take some time off. Trust me00 Reply 770 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. I am someone with extreme period pain. I have never thought that I “deserve” a time off. I still go to work as usual, cook and continue my other routine just the same as when I am not on period.
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@ManOnFire I used to be under medication until the doctor told me to stop because it won’t be good in long-term. We have traditional method using ginger and turmeric. I won’t say the pain is not there, but it sorts of relieving the cramp hence I can function as usual.
I used to literally not be able to function at all for the whole first day of my period because the cramps were so painful and I was throwing up and pooping constantly.
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+1 yMy period is due in 3 days and you have no fucking idea what I’m going through right now. Our bodies are wired completely differently than men. Maybe Google what a menstrual cycle means to understand.
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+1 yIf we don’t at least use the bathroom regularly, we start to smell bad. We need that, some of us get severe cramps and out uterus to our stomach muscles seize up and we can’t do anything.
00 ReplyNormally, I am on 10-12 ibuprofen a day, and in pain I can't sit or stand for long. It's not that I deserve time off... ehh. next time I should just call in sick.
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+1 yI know what my wife went through every month. Her pain was debilitating. She could barely get out of bed the first 2 days of her period. She was in misery.
30 ReplyPeriods for most women are so bad where they end up passing out or throwing up. I don’t think any woman in that condition should work because it will affect their work performance.
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If is upwork true for "most" women then no women would be walking around at some point. I think you are trying to maximize the issue and normalize the problem because it's easier to do that instead of looking for solutions to it
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Exepct that's not an argument. You're right i have no uterus but i have a brain. Do you?
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I can also say no brain, no opinion
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@Aiko_E_Lara Will love to hear your brain use then to find soultion to woman's period
I am sure beside the woman that can't function at all at that time all woman will love something that take away that pain every month - +1 y
Oh sure I can but it's the period that is the issue. What actually cause the pain maybe caused by ovarian cyst, pcos, endometriosis or etc. Not caused by the period itself. That would basically be just a sick leave. Of you think about women in the past, they didn't have any pain killers but there are also many ways and techniques on how those women overcome it. It's just that now a lot of women are depending on pain killers and you know.
The most basic thing to do to be functional and to prevent those cramps is to have a proper exercise, lifestyle, habit and diet is that applies to any other sickness as well. Except that advice can just become so cliche that can make the medical healthcare sound boring so they look for other advice to get their pain killers and other medications sold. As i've said, It's actually just easier to normalize the issue than to solve it. Muscles that are prone to cramps are those weak muscles because they tend to be easily overwhelmed when contraction happens. What made the cramp pain isn't in the uterus itself but it's the uterine muscles also connected to the pelvis that has to be strengthen and stretched. Actually there are other exercises you can google. "But it doesn't work for all" then find what works for you. That's just like if you're obese and you can't lose weight, you normalize it then you complain why you get tired so easily after a short walk. If that's the case, should obese people get a time off? No. That's also like asking if a man should get a time off for being a modern man. - +1 y
I'm just curious tho, what if I'm a woman who actually said that? Are you still gonna use that "no uterus, no opinion" trump card?
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So.. if I get you right you saying if a man loses his arm, he should not compline, but take sick leave and then work like nothing happen right? I mean work should not anything to help him on that, of they need to go to anything to help with it, sick leave
I don't think there is such an easy fix, I also don't say that if you don't have a Uterus you can't talk about it, but you should research it
At least from what I know some got it so bad, that pain killers that keep them functioning is not useful
And about the old days, you think they did not have cases like this and had the same issues? if so you likely just wrong, its not every woman like that, and I believe the once that get it really bad, had the same issue back in the day
I can say I am in great pain, and not someone you want to deal with at work when I have it, I am way to aggressive, but I can work... to some degree, can't even think how it be to someone that got it worst
And I wonder if you where a woman, and had even the lower levels of pain, would you say that?
I mean the point of that saying is that if you don't ever really felt it, how can you really understand it?
And can you understand how bad it can get? - +1 y
@Red-Blaze Compline? I think you mean complain and if you mean complain, where did I actually say women can't complain. You have the rights to do it but however, solving the problem is way better than complaining which is the main point. What can you even accomplish by complaining? If a man complains about his lost arm, people would just ask what they wanna do for him. And if he wants a time off, he's gonna be a burden to the company the more he does it. There's a reason why people with cancer, obesity and other illnesses that affects their functionality are more likely to be not hired it's because companies want healthy employees because they're can get the job done faster. Who actually wanna hire a guy in a construction site who can't even lift 40 tons? It's pretty unlikely. And if they wanna be hired so bad, they work out. That's the solution. And if you think I don't research about periods, tell me, when did I actually say it doesn't hurt? Maybe what you only want to look at on those researches is how bad and how terrible it is just researching how bad low testosterone can affect men. But do you even research on how to deal with it? Do you even research for the treatments, lifestyle, habits, diets and so on? No you don't. I can already tell based on how you wanna misconstrue this topic since i'm the one bringing up responsibility in this. Anything happening to you is your responsibility unless you're violently attacked by someone which is out of your control.
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@Red-Blaze Oh, if you wanna share anecdotes, then you know, i'm in pain everyday. But in the end, this isn't a contest.
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@Aiko_E_Lara Have you tried exercising and eating a healthier diet where you’re not in pain all the time?
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@Aiko_E_Lara when I say compline I mean not do anything, just keep going like nothing changed, take the pain, and the phantom arm and just act like its not there, and if they fall back at work, too bad
I understand your point, and I did not go deep into research on this, the point being that if the solution was out there, there need to be a reason stores are not selling it right? I mean that is millions of dollars just hanging
If its about just being healthy why are this woman suffering for years?
Remember this is not a day off they lay down enjoy a nice message by the pool, its mostly a day they lay in bed, get up only when they must because there in pain, there suffering
I am not there so I can't really measure there pain or yours its why I can't just go out dismissing it
The main point anyway is that over all its not a free day, its a day they can rest, and they will still need to catch up on there work and do what they should do
I will say that possibly normalizing it it may be a solution for it if nothing else work, as then you can work on different answers
Like you said about the build site, if you get the idea that not anyone can lift a ton, you make a crane, you make a lift, you create ways to make it possible, but that is only possible when people accept its a thing
I agree that I don't think most have it to the extreme of completely not being able to function, but it dose effect you to some degree even if its not completely disable someone
And don't get me wrong I am not saying same money less work, you just balance where you can, maybe they can work more hours different times, or maybe as one I do know they just work harder, something that honestly happen there as the work place help them, and they feel to the company to do better, giving them over all better results then most of the workers - +1 y
@Red-Blaze I'm glad you actually got my point but if you ask me why are there women who are still suffering, it's also the same as to why is someone still obese despite doing the diet and exercise. The question really is how many women actually do those? You can assume most do, you can assume most don't, are they doing it properly? are they doing it wrong? no one exactly knows. And one claims they're doing it properly but getting no result anyways, then that's not normal. Our bodies are suppose to adapt to what we do and it's been proven through ages. Maybe it's just now that here are some bad habits you do that you didn't know it's bad, maybe it's the modern day environment, maybe it's the bad habit your later ancestors did, everything happens for a reason. It doesn't just happen just because you're a woman. When we get sick, it's not because we're humans. It's because of what you or someone did.
I'm not dismissing your period problems but the question is why women think they deserve time off for their period. He's not talking about any abnormalities like what girls here are talking about, he's just talking about period. If that's the case, many girls aren't exactly reading the question properly and resort to give anecdotes and not even separate the topic about periods itself and the pain. Sure if they're in pain and sick on their periods, it's because they're in pain on their periods but not because they're just on their periods. - +1 y
Having cramps and periods alone are 2 separate things. Because girls can have periods without having cramps/severe cramps. And if anyone can do it, others can too. Not everyone maybe made equal but we all have the same capabilities as human beings.
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@Aiko_E_Lara you can take something and stay on its words alone then you be right
But I don't think its the meaning
I do assume his talking about period not as the time but as the entire experience, as many refer to it so, he also says so under it "I know we will not feel..." his not asking why some random woman think they deserve a day off for there period as its party day
I assume they read some article about it, maybe the one about norway.. or Sweden or some place like that talking about giving that as an option
Over all just saying if I had a day off for my period I will not go out to party, ill play the dumbest game I can to just numb the pain, its not going to be enjoyable its just going to the best I can to not think about it
And if you going to take the words notice "some woman" not all woman, you can read it as some woman ask for it, or some woman ask for them self
Humans are still in great pains in birth, where is the adopting there?
I once believed everyone can do anything, but its just not true, if you born blind you can't see even if Jane can, just because one was born this don't make it all - +1 y
I know he is talking about some women but he is not really talking about the specific kinds of period issue. Because it can also mean some women demand for a time off because they're on their period and they don't need to have severe cramps for it. Another analogy would be, it's like why "some" people demands for a time off because they are human. Or because they have a heart. The reason is because heart can have a heart disease. Not really separating is an issue itself do nothing that cause it.
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So its a matter of how you read it
I prefer to read ot in what seem more logical that the woman talked about are once where the period harms there work days, so they got a reason to ask for this
And you decide to view it as just woman trying to get time off
Is that then what is going on? because if so we are not talking about the same thing to begin with - +1 y
Then that is not the period what's happening. Its the severe cramps or the thing that make you sick and it would make better sense to give women time off if they are having severe cramps not because they are on their period. So what would be your take if i say men these days needs time off at some point because they are modern men? And what would be your solution?
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@Aiko_E_Lara
So we agree?
Only thing you trying to say is that the poster should have said "Why some woman are asking for time off for there period (because of pain, suffering... Yad yada yada)
Over just referring to it as period?
I don't know about you, but I believe in applying some basic reasoning to what is asked over just taking it at word value alone - +1 y
@Red-Blaze Except that "basic reasoning" of yours is just talking about one side of the story. You're only talking about girls having it bad on their periods but you're not talking about girls doing fine. So you see, i'm not someone who generalize and only focus on one side of the story. So let me see how you'd answer this question Do some men deserve a time of because they are modern men? ↗
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Ok I answered you there
And let me repeat my self
You are correct I am not talking about someone that is not relevant to the discussion
The asker asked why SOME woman asked for time off
Note the some
I think most of us here taken it as some woman think they, that some group needs time off, not everyone that had or will have a period - +1 y
@Aiko_E_Lara Its not, my reasoning is why this is about only one side of the story, as the question is only about one side of the story
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@Red-Blaze One side? Well there's no specific kind of period he's talking about so as you've said in my question, im keeping it vague so there you proved it and that's exactly what the question here is. It's just you who assume he's talking about that specific kind of issue.
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@Aiko_Lara Absolutely, and your not
Point is I pick to take the path that makes sense and can give an answer for, and so did many here
You can stick to "No its for all" but that will not make you right, it just make it your read of this
And that is the point, as I said like 4 replays ago
Your taking at as some woman asking for time off to all woman for period time
I take it as Some woman asking for them to have time off as of period pains and suffering
You agree, and I made that clear in my post, because the poster did not, and honestly its the thing that makes sense, I mean I think we both understand that asking for time off for a time with nothing else makes no sense and no one will be able to give a reason to it, because there can't be a reason for that
So I will answer what is reasonable not a non reasonable thing
Makes sense? - +1 y
Ok then i am doing the same thing to the question i just asked. And if you like to say that there are many women thinking the same way you do then also another way to prove double standards. It because you barely get shamed if you say you're in pain when you're on your period but guys being soy boys or whatever modern men biological issue he's facing, he's being told to suck it up. Just like there are less people answering my question, only a few people are willing to analyze. So if that's how you take the question, then you have no excuse to not even analyze the question i just asked.
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Already answer that
One question at least can be guessed or assumed
The word you used is so no meaning it made it impossible to answer
Also asking with "I know the answer" is not inviting to answer
Both cases don't show any double standard
One show more man and woman understand this question different then you
Your question may show your not asking right
Both show nothing of double standards
Its like trying to say "That baker made a cake, I made a cake made of stone, no one eating my cake... so double standards!!!"
Ya... no - +1 y
@Red-Blaze Well yeah, that's because for many years you had been entitled to just normalize your period issues which is why it can be assumed or guessed. You're not even explaining how my question doesn't really involve the same principle. I mean you basically did but your logic just fell apart so easily. It's just like how you can't even explain how I baked my cake with stones. I can easily just change that analogy saying "That baker made a cake with stones, I also made my cake with stones, no one is eating my cake so it's double standards" If i made my cake with stones, then i can easily explain how that baker just also made his cake with stones. But you're just more used to his cake because you feel more entitled with his.
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@Aiko_E_Lara
Entitled
"Your using that word a lot, I don't think it means what you think it means" - Prices Bride
You are wrong in a few layers here
The stones is not the analogy base so your change is completely off
I mean you say its double standard because you did not get the same treatment of answers as this question
But I am saying you not even close to being the same or even related stuff so its not double standard as its completely two different cases
1. You asked for yes/no
2. You ask if they deserve, here they ask why they think they deserve
3. Here you have a word that connects to something with logical group, that will have a reason
Yours dose not connect to one except if everyone is in your mind (we are not)
This is apples and oranges that you trying to compere, it has no connecting to what the subject is about - +1 y
Not getting the same treatment this might actually involving the same principle as i've already explained.
It also not different if this question is actually asked as if it a yes or no question. I would actually guarantee that there are at least one women who would answer just like how women answer here. They wanna talk about the cramps and the other issues despite the question is only just about periods. And even if that was a yes or no question, people can still answer yes or no while giving the reasons. And of course it's pretty obvious that a lot of people will just answer no because it sounded silly. And for whatever reason i'm pretty sure they would reason out just like how i actually reasoned out with other girls in here who thinks they actually deserve it. And no i'm not talking about the cramps nor other issues, im just talking about periods just like what the asker is asking. - +1 y
@Aiko_E_Lara
Sure, but its completely different questions making the treatment different not the subject it self
If lets say I go by your question without connecting it to this one I world have just not answer at all, or open read and move on
Again your question for most be void of context and the answers you get will be completely diffrent
You ask Do they deserve
Here they ask Why they think they deserve
Your qruestion is harder to give an answer of any type as its again not clear
Ask it with more context and you get more reply, leave it more open (Not saying "I know the answer) and you get more reply
You pushed people away from answering then saying its double standards
Its not, ask well and you get more answers I am sure of that
Yes this is about periods, but its asking Why some woman THINK they deserve it
Its not if they should or should not, its just asking for reasons, something that by the way show up in news
Now you can see that as some woman think all woman should
Or you can read it why some reason think they deserve it
What one makes more sense to you that someone will reason?
If you think woman are just looking for time off, you may look for all
Personally I can't see that readable or make sense, so I think its about some woman that they think they deserve it, and can see a reason why they will
What you ask is if some unset group of man in current modern era deserve time off
Dose that seem to you the same?
For me it dose not - +1 y
Yeah it's a completely different question yet you still ignore the principles i actually gave which is basically the same. And i don't care if you don't answer my question or not, it doesn't really change the clarity of my point. And if it is really that hard then, then how hard is it to actually just ask for what the context is about? See, if they cannot understand what the contest is then that's their problem for not asking. But still no it doesn't matter how this question is asked, even if this is a yes or no question i still guarantee that there are still many women will give explanations without even asked to. So do you want me a question if should women deserve a time off on their period? which is a yes or no question? I'm pretty sure there would be at least one or two women who would talk about pain even though that's not what i'm asking
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@Aiko_E_Lara
Your missing the point completely
There is layers here
1. Your question is unclear, its why you don't get answers
2. Your question is unclear as mordern man has no meaning to it without context
3. Both of this questions are not the same so applying one should be as a active as the other is falsity logic
4. Actively pushing away people from answering
3 is on its own its not why you not get answers, but why you can't compere the two
1, 2 and 4 is why you don't get replays
By the way, someone did ask what this is about and your reply was "It is what it is", Owww now that really helps dose it not?
Your not asking your trying to prove a point
Thing is you doing it with a faulty way so your result will seem right to you only if you ignore all the issues on how you got it
Also, for your information, the way stuff like this work is some will only read the title and decide if to answer or move on
If you ask something that is unclear some may go in and ask, some may just not bother, and some may just think they are not in that market and move on as they don't think they can answer it
Not everyone will ask, and like said someone that went on and did ask you, you reply with "It is what it is" that says nothing to help, as well as added "I already know the answer" that will turn most away, as its not really asking then, its just trying to fit your biased option on it - +1 y
Ask if you have actually got the point.
1. If you like to say that my question is unclear then i can also say the same thing to this question. Nevermind the same principles i gave, if my question is unclear then so is this.
2. And in that case the question about period is unclear because they are not talking about the period pain and the other issues but just the period itself.
3. As i have said, you cannot just simply ignore the principles i have actually give just to give yourself an excuse to validate what you said.
4. Giving yourself an excuse to not get the point when you just don't want to.
Except i am not really complaining nor even surprised why i didn't really got any comments in there. As i have said if they don't really get the question then they could have just ask. It's not even that hard right? Oh by the way there is one guy in there who actually got the point and that is basically an example of someone who analyze the question. Except for the period question you're just so used to analyzing that period Question ask to something that it is connected to pain or something even though it's not really different to connecting modern men to be in pain. And for that picture you have actually sent, that example also proves my point my point about as to why some girls get severe cramps on their period blaming it on the workplace instead of taking responsibilities. Also i'm not blaming it on double standards, i'm just pointing out the fact that it is double standards. - +1 y
@Aiko_E_Lara
1. No, that is not how that works, I mean sure you can say what ever you want, but its not reality, you can say that on my thing as well, but I am honestly trying to give you a basic understanding of why you get no reply in this is, becouse thsi uses a term that has assustions and connection to what is asked before, yours dose not
2. No.. you just decide that, but let me break it to small parts that you may be able to understand
"Why" what is the reason
"Some" not all, but a spastic group
"Woman" I think this one you can understand on a shared way
"Think" something made up in the mind
"They" the woman
"deserve" should get
"timoff" off of work
"for" for the reason of
"there period" there time of the mouth of mulstration when they body pass a process of removing a part unused from the body that to many has some degree of pain, and discomfiture
Now we got something, its called language and with it we do something called communicating
But it only works if we have the unwritten rules of understanding
Like the word bird
If I say the bird move from the tree to the roof
Do I have to say it was flying? No.. because we got an unwritten rule that birds fly
Now if I say that the creature has moved from the tree to the roof
You will need more info because you got no idea what is this creature
Now lets do this different, il make the question "what dose the word period mean to you?" not this words, because what I am trying to get is an assusation bubble of what pepole connect to it
The do the same for morden man, and lets see how that comes out?
The problem is you assume people will just know what you want when they got no context, as you pointed out the one man that did answer... had this context, and he also did not understand what morden man is, he jus know it was related to this question, so he had context - +1 y
3 and 4. I am not giving my self no excuse I am trying to help you understand using something called logic, why your logic is at fault, and so the pricable you made up dose not work
And for the what? 3rd time? someone did ask, your reply was "You need to understand it" with the "It is what it is" so no they can't just ask, as your not giving an answer to it when someone did ask - +1 y
Then
1. I can simply say this question is answered not how it is supposed to be answered. It's full of assumptions when you can just say maybe.
2. You are giving a reason that is talking about the pain not the period itself unless the asker is asking about if they get severe period cramps. So you are all assuming that's the only thing that happens. You know there could be actually another factors such as some women just want special treatment because periods are just exclusive to them because he is only talking about the period itself not pain. So yes it also proves my point that a lot of the answers here are assumptions.
3 and 4. Then i can also say that i am not actually making a logic that actually just fell apart like how you think it is because the principles i talk about still stands - +1 y
Ironically enough you already got the point, you even mentioned it in my question. So again, how about if i actually asked the that modern men question the same way the asker here asked the period question? If you say it is because of how i wrote it then ok i'm going to do exactly what the asker here did and its see if you think it's going to get the same results
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1. "Why some woman think they deserve time off for there period?" "Maybe"... mmm.. I dont know why.. But that just sounds.. you know not an answer at all, and makes no sense to a "Why" its full of assumption but news flash, that is how language works 😮
2. And here we go again, the question is not if they deserve but why they think so? do you think they really think like that? "I want spacial treatment"? you really think that is what is going in there mind?
Is it possible? yes
But as you can see most don't think its the reason, so they give the reason they think
Again bird, don't need to say flying
Period, don't need to make it super on point, I mean dose the poster also have to go to the antonym and say what parts do the pain? I mean cramps is not clear ength is it?
There is a limit that is ok to assume and stuff, and this asking us why someone else think so, will have assumptions yes, it has to be except if they say its exactly that person, and that person answer, it will have assumptions
I am not saying there can't be other reasons, but I do say they don't sound to me like something logical or something someone will do?
3 and 4 again, you can say what ever you want, but if you can't back it up with reasoning it will remain wind without ground
You need to reason your principles and ideas not just say stuff and assume everyone should accept them as is - +1 y
1. Exactly "maybe" you can only make guesses because the asker is not talking about the pain and other issues.
2. And again anyone can still reason out despite what the question is. even if it's a yes or no question, everybody can elaborate. Despite the question being asked differently, you still fail to see the principle. So if you like to save birds don't need flying then i can easily say that i don't need to talk about the issues modern men have when talking about modern men. Oh by the way your logic and fall apart if i say not all birds fly. And i've already explain why you just like to link periods To having cramps or whatever, it just proves that you are just more comfortable linking those too because you like to normalize the issue to gain more sympathy. So if more and more guys actually talk about being a modern man is normally about being in pain and they should have a special treatment, in the sound all that different. And of course as we've already know that men get shamed for actually addressing an issue and you yourself may be wondering why men commit suicide way more than women.
3 and 4. Then you can say whatever you want but that doesn't mean the reasoning doesn't really stand. I don't need for anyone to agree with me when there is already a statistics and articles about the epidemic of men's issues and how much society just dont care about it and that may include you - +1 y
You're only logic is basically just about it because no one cares about men more that's why connecting period pain is valid because we get more sympathy but it's not valid to connect modern men to having issues because people just don't care. Way to prove me right about society downplaying men's issue by actually talking about no one will buy what i said because no one will care. Of course i am not surprised that no one will care, which also exactly why men don't feel so entitled talking about it. There's an article about women are wonderful effect which is causing that phenomenon.
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@Aiko_E_Lara
1. So you made the assumption they are not, I made the assumption they did, both could be right as the poster never cleared that
2. I agree not all birds fly, and that is why I used bird, a bird that dose not fly is an odd ball from the birds, and most will connect birds with flying, not everyone maybe but most will, same as not everyone connects period and pain between other stuff, But I do believe most do
And yes I agree, if more man will connect morden man to pain and suicide then your question be valid, but you asking it now, not then, and right now most don't connect it to that, that is again why you get no answers, when it is connected, in the "public eye" then you get answers on your post for that, or if you use a different word that may work better to pass the point to people
3 and 4 Yes you do, because you keep going on it here and in any topic you can, actions speak loader the words
Also because its important, to get people to understand what are the issues man may be facing so they can be helped and get treatment to live a better life
And you know what? on that matter your doing a deserves to this man, because in place of trying to say man need help, you are going against woman, saying they take all the help and so on
Man issues are not tied to woman, they are there own, and should be delt with and talked about as they are a standalone issue that is horrible and needs help
We all ready know, it dose not include me, I try to help where I can, when I can, And I will push for a mans right group when I get the chance, but for what it is, the mans rights, not the man vs woman rights - +1 y
1. Because they asker is just asking about it just as is. So if you girls like to assume thats whats going on then i'm just giving a counter argument.
2. Ok if that is the first thing that comes to people's minds, the flying birds it's because it is something that is much more visual and something that anyone can see. And because periods Is something anyone can just see that it is blood coming right out of there, of course because it is visual then people would associated with pain which is what you can take advantage of so imagine if your periods are bloodless, do you think people would react the same? I don't think so because something you cannot just see doesn't make as much impact as something that you can actually see, and just because you cannot see it doesn't make it any less of an issue nor an epidemic.
3 and 4. Could it be it's because you just keep on going on about this topic? This isn't about my question but this is about how much you have proved everything i said. If you say action speaks louder than words then funnily enough how you act about my question speaks a lot of words. So maybe speaking facts about responsibility is the new being against women which is something snowflakes would say and also which is why i'm cannot curious to see how you would answer about being a soy boy being an epidemic and modern men. And of course the only way to help anyone is to let them help themselves. If you want to baby everyone all day do you think they would learn? I don't want to have a lot of men end up becoming like karen's already which is also why i'm not going to spoil women as well. - +1 y
1. No.. you are assuming that is the case, but you take your assumption as fact, when i. fact its not like that
Your not giving a counter argument, your making a completely different one
2. I agree, so? I mean I starting to feel this has nothing to do with woman period, and in place of answering or thinking about this question at all your trying to twist it to the subject you care about, even if its connection is not there
3, 4, Please help me understand what you said I have proven, that you did not make up in your mind that I said, but really said
I don't agree on what you say here, like if we take a matter close to your heart are you saying we should not try to help man before they suicide but its there responsibility to get out of it? we should not make places to help them, we should not try to put it in the news, we should not try to make people aware of it, as that is not anyone problem but only there responsibility? I really hope not - +1 y
1. Then i can also just to say you're assuming but you take your assumption as a fact. If you like to say that it is for most women and i can say that it is not for most women. You should give you reason why can i give you reason why. If you like to say i am making a completely different one then you are making completely different answer. Simple as that.
2. Then you're basically agree that you're at least lucky you have something visual to show. And yet you are confused why people are more aware about men's issues.
3, 4. It is in number 2, your reasoning is like because people are unaware that means it is not true and it's therefore not connected. So you only like to say my question is different just because people are unaware. People's thoughts and ignorance doesn't really exactly change what the question really is. And if more people or just unaware then that is their problem not mine because they would have been aware if they actually ask. - +1 y
1. You can say what you want by give reasoning, why do I have to repeat this?
And you can say BS that dose not make it true, I made it clear before I don't take my saying as fact, I don't say you can't read it as woman asking for period just because they get it, but I did reason to you more then once why I can't see that making sense
But you keep going on "No he asked only about period not about cramps" that is why I say you taking it as fact, you dismiss my point because you decide you know not just assuming what the asker is asking when both can be right
So you can say what you want, but between us I did not dismiss your view on what the asker asked or not, while you did
2. No.. what are you talking about? did you get confused with something else?
3, 4. No again that is just not how it works
Can you answer this?
"אני חושבת שהשמיים בצבע, איזה צבע?"
Not likely
Because you got your mind I got my own, and you can't understand it if you don't know what I talk about
You keep saying people can ask, but someone did ask and you did not give an answer so that is BS
As again someone asked and your reply was you need to already be aware - +1 y
1. Same reason why i have to keep repeating your flaws. You can keep putting words on people's mouth, that doesn't make you any truthful.
2. I am saying that you are basically agree that you're at least lucky you have something visual to show. It doesn't take a genius.
3, 4. Except my question is actually English and you are using hebrew as an example. Another way to take examples to the extreme. But instead of actually giving excuses that i couldn't read it, i actually used a translator and it said "i think the sky is colored, what color?" So to answer it, i can just say blue or כְּחוֹל which is the hebrew of blue. And you see what i just did? And that would be the same for people who are ignorant about the period questions who would bother to learn. And also it's pretty sad how you compare my question to a completely different language like are you that stupid? You know it's not only that people cannot understand my question which is why they don't answer but it could also be because they are not interested, have you ever thought about that? - +1 y
And also, i wasn't really that interested in that hebrew question, i just wouldn't really answer because I don't wanna bother with google translate. That doesn't mean asking in hebrew is stupid.
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1. So now you just repeating what I say without showing any flaws really that I did not already break?
2. That part is fine, But the confusion part is what I don't get, what is that about?
3, 4, Well no, that was done on point, and has nothing to do with exstram, its simply that when you take a term you understand but no one else can, you can't answer it, without a translator, and someone ask to translate and did not get a reply, so they can't do it
Also your answer to that is wrong, because the translator did not do a good job to translate what I asked, that is the main reason I did it, to explain that you can't answer it, because you can't understand it to its full depth without knowing the language or in a better way without knowing the asker meaning of it
And yes I did think about that, and I did say that, again before
I did not say the question base is wrong, but that you can't take results from it if its muddy? and in this case its unclear AKA muddy, you have a lot of options why someone did not answer it, not interested is possible but seeing the result you do get should tell you that its more likely pepole got no idea what you asking
Again someone asked, and you did not give an answer (you seem to skip this.. I wonder why) - +1 y
I said that in my question that was meant to be sad here so i'm going to say it here anyways.
1. So now you're just keep repeating what i said without showing any points?
2. I already explained it a while ago, it's either it's too much for your small brain to process or you just don't like to learn.
3, 4. You know people actually need sources of informations to actually gather data. It's also the same as no guys or prepubescent girls can answer that period Question unless someone told them about it or actually have done the research without anyone telling them about it. That's not different if i am at least using a translator. And because i have no hebrew friend or anyone who i can ask to translate your question then should i just bother to go to israel just to ask? Ain't nobody got time for that. Just me i'm not interested because that has nothing to do with my life. And yes i couldn't answer it but so do people who are either at about questions they cannot answer that. Unless you told them what it is about then they would have information just like if i actually tell them what being a modern man is about then they would also have information. And you for you that question is actually muddy, then you are not exactly different to if there are guys who don't bother trying to know about what girls go through on their painful periods. - +1 y
1. again ok.. nice you agree
2. Yes we all ready astublish this you run out of counter points
3, 4. Yes got it you agree with my points is all the start if that wall of text
Except the two things are not connected
Muddy question is because again the problem is the use of "morden man" that don't connect for most to what it dose to you, and again it was said in the context of why you got no replys
Your bad use of language is not related to what I care or don't care about
Someone did ask you you did not give a real answer, so your point on someone asking is null and void
Also top of that, no people are not interested in a subject they can't even understand, and got no way to research about it, becouse you are the only know that got that info, and as you show before if someone ask you just say "It is what it is"
That go back to your own first point here "You know people actually need sources of information to actually gather data" and you show in your reply to the one that asked, that you don't provide so no one got anyway to find that out
Just like you got no way to find the meaning of what I asked in hebrew, as you agreed
So ya, thanks for agreeing with my counter point - +1 y
1. Then you have also just agreed with me which is also nice.
2. And i can make a conclusion that you run out of brain cells which is why you can't comprehend a single thing. Even though it is already explained, you're still ignoring the principles. So what happened to your claims saying that talking about modern men is different from period questions? Last i remember was that, i was talking about an epidemic and even it's articles showing how affected modern men are yet you have nothing else to say about that.
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3, 4. Then that means you have also agreed with my point saying that periods don't connect to period pain and other period issues. If you like to agree without modern man has nothing to do with having men's issues biologically and socially, then you are agreeing to what i said which is also basically just involves the same principle. Sure if no people are not interested in subject they cannot even understand then people wouldn't really ask questions. It still not different though if there is people who are not really interested in talking about periods because they just don't understand it but a lot of you are actually wishing for more people to understand. And i know what i said, but other than that, i am also showing you something what a responsible person would do like actually researching but in my case i am using a translator we just what people should have actually done. So i know what i said and as i have already said i am not really surprised that my question actually don't get answers. Because it also prove my point that a lot of people are more unaware of men's issues, and as i am also said i don't really have to give more information just to see how much people can actually get the context. You're acting like i'm making it a big deal that i am not getting enough questions when i am actually not trying to get more questions because that is the whole point. People care more about you women than men. If you take a look at this question as well there is no context, but you all bring up any informations anyways and assume that's what exactly we are looking for
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And again your making up stuff
Again and again, I am saying your use of words is faulty making the action of taking the interest of people of the subject faulty as well
That is it
And again going to insult showing your out of points and out of its logic
So guess this be over, as I am become a broken record trying to pass the simple statement that your use of words in this question is faulty and and ideas you take from it about interest be faulsy
That is all
Hope you have a better life - +1 y
And again you're putting words on people's mouth. And again, i am asking exactly like how the asker of this question asked. Just like how the asker of this question didn't even elaborate, so didn't i. Because i actually just want to prove how ignorant people are when it comes to men's. And of course you are becoming a broken tape recorder because you have no excuses left for you to actually deny the principles i actually gave. If he wants to connect periods to being in pain and having cramps so can connect being a modern men to being fragile and weak and also in pain. And what is ironic is you actually did comprehend what i was trying to say which also exactly prove that it isn't stupid after all. You're just looking for excuses to actually just try to make this topic into one sided story.
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+1 yYup absolutely ridiculous, its because of laziness , most women hate working and will find any excuse to skip work
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+1 yimagine a drilling machine shove to your anus... i used to feel this before but thankfully bow i don't
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+1 yI like how the men, who have never in their life experienced a period… are speaking on women’s periods… lmfao
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yIf u don’t understand, then it’s not ridiculous.
I can’t focus or pay attention for couple of days, my back hurts behind imagining and I can’t move because I’m in so much pain.
It’s not for you to understand. It’s just something that happens.31 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 yA period is a woman’s body being pregnant with blood, giving birth to it and recovering, every month.
1.3K opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. Yet another proposed privilege for the most entitled women in the world.
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I have awful migraines and I still drag my ass to work.
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@KrakenAttackin This is depressing, actually - so many people don't get it.
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@KrakenAttackin sorry - migraines suck.
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@msc545. Thanks man. Migraines can be damn near crippling but it doesn't help to stay at home in bed so I might as well struggle through work.
Men are expected to show up and work unless you have some contagion, and even men are expected to have a doctor's note. Women just say "female problems" and they get a pass. - +1 y
@KrakenAttackin yes!
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I honestly hate the women who tend to ask for this kind of privilege. Yet I will still go to work in pain and bleeding like everyone else has to.
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Oops, submitted too early. It’s one thing when there is a diagnosis and doctors recommendation to stay home, but usually the women who have real pain or problems aren’t usually the ones trying to get out of doing things. We just live with it.
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@KrakenAttackin well actually where I work we always need a doctors note if we miss more than two days if work in a row. Many others people I know at different work places have similar rules no matter the reason. And I also know people who take time off for migraines. Especially if it’s documented in their medical records. The pain from migraines can be quite debilitating and no one should be expected to work with that kind of pain.
589 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. The difference is that most men won't speak up even if they need to go to the hospital. It's not that we don't think it feels like shit, it's that we would never admit to it feeling bad if it happened to us, so we expect the same from women.
00 ReplyPerhaps if they need it but it should be time off without pay.
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+1 ySome women really suffer with period pains fortunately I'm not one of them but it happens would you take a day or half a day off with a migraine I wonder?
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+1 ySome women have it really bad other women not so much. Everyone is different. It would be like saying oh every man thinks he deserves the day off because he has a cold.
00 ReplyDude, just shut the fuck up and be grateful you've never had a period
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