Are Modern day feminists the equivalent of incels?

[Anonymous]

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To those asking if this is a serious question, it absolutely is. Modern day feminism is not the same as the feminism movement that began for a legitimate cause back in the 60s. Then, there was definitely a need for a women's movement, and to date, the things the original feminists movement set out to accomplish, it has. Fast forward to today, and the feminist movement is no longer about equality, but about domination. This new wave of feminism, is just misandry.

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I appreciate all the commentary, even from those I blocked previously. May we all continue to learn and grow.

[mandyfire98]

I'd say no because feminists aren't out there actually murdering people like incels are.

[Asker]

I haven't heard of a noteworthy abundance of murders being linked to incels. Do you have sources for this claim?

[mandyfire98]

Elliot Rodgers, Alek Minassian, Jake Davisan, Scott Paul Beirle, the Toronto massage parlor killer. Armando Hernandez Jr. There are many incidents. Dollars to doughnuts you'll find out that the person who killed the four college kids in Moscow Idaho is, I guarantee you an incel. I'll put money on it.

Now find me lists of feminists who have mass murdered or raped men.

I'm not even saying you have to or should want to agree with feminists but to deny that incels aren't more dangerous, that's ridiculous. Literally multiple cases of mass murders can be easily found with incels as perpetrators.

[Still-alive]

he must be enjoying life hiding under that rock lol

[Asker]

Show me where exactly I denied anything? I simply asked you a question, and said that I haven't heard of it.

[Asker]

That being said, the both of you jumped to conclusions, while not really providing any evidence of this claim that there is some kind of uptake in violence from incels. Honestly, I couldn't care less about incels, nor modern day feminists, nor this gender war that you seem inclined to perpetuate. Its not men against women as far as im concerned, nor was that the intent of either of my questions. Next, sure, it is inevitable that there will be violence associated with any particular group, but the exception does not make the rule, and that is why I asked you for proof, not a few instances that you probably saw on the news. Further, you guaranteeing me that the perpetrator of an incident that you've seen was an incel, couldn't be more laughable. You can't guarantee me anything.. You can provide me with proof, so that I can further understand aspects of this debate in which I may not be privy to, or you can keep your opinions and wild assumptions to yourselves. Thanks.

[baseball_del_tuono]

That’s a handful of nut cases there are millions and millions of incels. The overwhelming majority of like 99.999% never hurt anyone. I get so nervous and scared to talk to girls dies that make me dangerous

[Still-alive]

@baseball_del_tuono can you cite the last feminist who mass killed people?

[Asker]

@Still-alive And agreeing with some random chick on social media isn't how you get laid big fella.

[Still-alive]

Im not doing this to get laid fella. That ‘criticism’ is also a bit old. Find a new one

[Asker]

I looked up your claim, and you're right, women have always been more likely to be victims of gun violence. There is an aspect of misogyny that I do think is responsible for this particular kind of violence against women, but it is debatable if this is a result of incels, or just simply engrained misogyny. That being said, by default I do now agree that because of gun violence, irregardless of whether the cause is a result on incels or misogyny, incels are in fact more dangerous than Modern day feminists. Here is my source... cssh.northeastern.edu/.../

[mandyfire98]

@baseball_del_tuono

Are you an incel?

[baseball_del_tuono]

I mean yea, right by defenition I am? I don’t get any girls I’m super scared and nervous to talk to them!! Lol!! Right now I’m working on asking a girl to prom!!’ She’s cute she’s shy and a bit nerdy a little bit. I like her and a mutual friend, her really good friend, told me she said she Will definitely say yes if you ask her. And I’m still super scared to ask sooo nervous like I couldn’t sleep last night!! And I know she’ll say yes I’m still that nervous. She told our mutual friend that I’m cute and she likes the baseball boys.. I’m not a bad looking guy or short like that, most girls say I’m cute I’m 5’10 160 and a baseball player I’m really good I’ve been on the varsity since sophomore year! I’m Italian like I’m Def not bad looking but I’m still sooooo nervous!! Any advice I have to do this soon

[Asker]

@baseball_del_tuono you're only an incel if you both hate women, and hate men that do get women. As an 18 year old, you're simply inexperienced, not an incel. In this day and age, lots of women throw the term incel around because its trendy to treat men like shit due to Modern day Feminism. So don't accept the term incel as a way to define yourself. you're better than that, plus all men have a hard time with women when they are your age. As you get older, and gain more experience, you'll attract more women. So right now, at 18, your job is to grow as a man, and excel in school.. The world is so much more than women man, so find your purpose and by default, women will come to you.

[baseball_del_tuono]

I get it I know. You’re right I just like don’t know how to get girls. My friend who’s on my team and lives down the street his older brother is 21 and dating my mom! I don’t get it right like I lost my dad 4 years ago and my mom didn’t care for 3.5 years then this guy, 21 years old too, goes up to her flirts with her and gets my mom, yes all my friends say I have “the hot mom” so not only does he get my mom to go on a date they go immediately into the bedroom! Like my mom didn’t want anything to do with any guy for 3+ years then some 21year old gets her and gets her to go right in the bedroom with him like wtf how do guys do that how do they get girls like that easy?

[mandyfire98]

@baseball_del_tuono

You are a virgin, not an incel. The incel community are misogynistic and hateful.

Being an incel is more than just the name. Rather innocent name they go by, all things considered but most incels are very hateful towards women.

The swastika started out as a symbol of good fortune originally but look what it turned into.

I definitely wouldn't go around saying you are an incel. Puts you in a crowd of horrible people.

[Asker]

@baseball_del_tuono luck is a big part of the game. Sure, the kid might have a little swag that attracted your mom, but right place and right time is a big part of attracting the right women. Plus, younger men are appealing to older women in a similar way that older men are appealing to younger women. The kid probably just makes her feel young again. So don't compare, and develope your own way of interacting with women. The best thing you can do when it comes to women, is be authentically you, because confidence will always be the number one quality that attracts women. Not arrogance by the way, but genuine confidence. You'll be just fine man, we've all been where you are right now, and we all felt the same way. It all changes in time, I promise.

[baseball_del_tuono]

I didn’t say I was an incel you asked and I said I guess so I meet the definition I don’t hate girls I love girls so much they make me sooo nervous ya know!!! Any advice on how to ask the girl to prom I got so netbous I couldn’t even sleep last night

[baseball_del_tuono]

Thanks! I’m super nervous about asking this girl but I’m gonna do it!!!

[Asker]

@baseball_del_tuono when you do, just pretend like she's already said yes. Once you align yourself with that energy of already getting what you want, you'll get it. I'm rooting for you bud. You won't need it but, Good Luck.

[baseball_del_tuono]

Positive visualization I love it why did I think of that I do this with my approach at the player I visualize the pitch and lining it into a gap. Thank you I can’t believe I didn’t think of that

[DarkLegacy]

@mandyfire98 but the feminists are to blame for creating the incels, by encouraging them to reject these men based upon their flaws. Incels never use to be a problem, male virginity has surged since the rise of the millennial feminists
Also in the past, men selected the partner..

[Asker]

@baseball_del_tuono You're welcome.

[Asker]

@DarkLegacy I'm not sure I understand your point. Plus, this arguments been settled. Her delivery could use some work, but to my surprise her point was actually valid by default.

[mandyfire98]

@DarkLegacy

Are you seriously saying that I shouldn't have a say in who I date? That any guy no matter who he is should just be able to pick me and I have to date him? Whether I'm attracted to him or not or whether I match with his personality or not?

This is what you are saying?
I shouldn't have any choice in the matter? So if a guy is disgusting and doesn't take care of himself and has poor hygiene, I should still have to date him?

You're trolling I assume?

[DarkLegacy]

@mandyfire98 im not saying about him not looking after himself, but all of those mass murderers had Autism for instance and they carried out those attacks because they were rejected for that reason. Besides women place to much emphasis on looks these days. This was not a problem pre 2000

[Still-alive]

@DarkLegacy lol so its because of autism huh?

[Still-alive]

Anyways @mandyfire98 this guy is a troll.. I believe this is the same person who thinks white people are in danger of being replaced and wants to kick out all the nonwhites. Yeah a nazi.

[mandyfire98]

@DarkLegacy

You cannot prove that all of those names were diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum. You absolutely can't.
They could've been rejected for being dickheads. Elliot Rodgers for instance was an entitled shit head that literally said he was entitled to "hot sorority girls". He wasn't entitled to whoever he wanted. That's not how life works. You don't just get to date who you personally want. It has to be a two way street. Anything else is just pure entitlement and shows not autism but more along the lines of narcissistic personality disorder. Those killers didn't kill people because they were on the spectrum they killed because they were narcissistic and didn't get what they wanted so they threw a violent tantrum. They were all human pieces of garbage. You sticking up for mass murderers and saying it's not their fault is a bad look my guy. Next are you gonna tell us it wasn't Hitlers fault and a girl rejected him as well?
Women and men should be able to choose not to date anyone they don't want to.
If some guy or girl has a shit personality and are dicks then other people shouldn't be forced to put up with them. That's not fair to everyone else.
Blaming it on autism is bullshit as well. My cousin in on the spectrum and he has a girlfriend and is one of the sweetest people I know.

[DarkLegacy]

They all had Autism and it is the feminists fault

[Still-alive]

@DarkLegacy you know the saying, correlation doesn’t equal causation. That applies here

[mandyfire98]

They didn't. You just keep saying that to try to make these pieces of shit killers into victims. You agree with incels. Women will never be your personal objects. Sorry but you're not entitled to whatever you want. Don't go throw a tantrum now.

[Anonymous]

Modern day feminists are the same as Incels and MGTOWs. They are all cut from the same cloth.

[DarkLegacy]

They are worse then the incels and they are responsible for the incels.

[magiusX26]

its more of an attempt at making everyone an incel/femcel

[Asker]

Interesting point. What makes you say that?

[magiusX26]

modern feminism only keeps dividing people. has women hating men for existing and being toxic to them. in turn this has men hating women in toxic ways. which then kerps bouncing back and forth.

saddly thus is the obvious that most are now too self centered to see even though it is blaringly obvious.

[Agape93]

Nope. We want equality. We don't blame our romantic and sexual inadequacy onto others, harm them or advocate and support harm to them.

[Asker]

With how common it is to see women with podcasts, and simply with a voice bashing men, and taking pride in emasculating men all over the internet, you would be the minority if you're not just speaking out your ass. But I often find that when examples of extreme feminism are displayed both online and in the real world, most traditional feminists most often turn a blind eye to it, which is the opposite of the equality that feminism stands for. While incels, and extreme feminists aka modern day feminist share one key similarity, and that is the disguised hatred of the opposite sex.

[Asker]

Interestingly enough, I've seen some of the comments you've made on other posts. You hate men too. You are the new version of feminism that is rampant today, and simply use feminismto justify your misandry, which is equality at all. But go off.

[Asker]

isn't*

[Agape93]

You confuse misandrist pigs with feminists. They can call themselves feminist all they want, they're not feminists, they're sexists.

[Agape93]

I actually don't hate men. Nice try.

@OlderAndWiser do I hate you? What about you @worldscollide? Or maybe you @Pterodon?

[PrettyPriya]

You don't hate koalas. 😐

[OlderAndWiser]

No, not at all. The problem is not you or other women like you. It is the other women who call themselves "feminists" and clearly do hate men. You simply get caught n the backlash because yo use the same label. It is something like I experience when I say that I am proud of my Southern heritage and I automatically get labelled as a racist. The same lack-of-thought process causes the same knee-jerk reaction.

[SecretsofKB]

@PrettyPriya no one hates koalas

[Agape93]

Exactly, koalas are adorable.

Yeap you got that right hon. That's why I'm so quick to push on misandrists using that label.

[PrettyPriya]

@SecretsofKB Aren't they just the best though? 😍

[Pterodon]

No you don’t hate me. I don’t hate you either

[Asker]

I've seen the things you post on other peoples questions. Did I not mention that.. You showcasing the two men you know as proof that you're not a modern day feminist is no different than you racists showcasing their one black friend. Its a nice try indeed, but your profile being private deosnt stop people from taking mental notes of the kind of person you are, and the views you clearly hold about men. You can kick rocks with your gaslighting bs.

[Agape93]

So you keep saying but you've yet to showcase anything. I however, have. And wiser of all people would have frozen me if I was some sexist pig like you keep claiming. But nice try hon. Try your shit with someone else.

[Pterodon]

The only man I’ve ever known of her openly hating is Trump

[Asker]

I know you'll remove this comment too, but here's the proof you seemed to need before you could hold yourself accountable. See @agape93 comments under @SueShe 's response at the following link:
Girls, will women stop reproducing if feminism wins? ↗
"Hey if all women stopped popping out kids, good. Humanity doesn't deserve a next generation."

"It will win or we will die trying. If it means keeping you from being raped and forced to reproduce, and save other loved ones from that fate, I'd drown this world in blood and fear."

Interestingly enough, I never intended to go back and find proof because its insane to ask someone for proof before you hold yourself accountable for your own behavior. But, I didn't have to because this just popped up on my feed today. What's even more interesting is how common it is for women that need therapy to align themselves with this new wave of toxic feminism. My theory is that Modern day feminism gives women the opportunity to blame all of their failures and/or shortcomings on the world, and thus effectively avoiding all forms of personal accountability. But if you ask most feminists today if they're any different than the average Incel, whom also blames the world for all of their shortcomings and failures, they'll just regurgitate something similar to what you said to me.. The rest of you, if she's your friend, check on her and make her go to therapy. Hurt people always hurt people, and its pretty clear that she's hurting. Take care of your friend.

[slatyb]

Not at all. There's no parallel. The incels are socially awkward men blaming their lack off dating success on others instead of making the effort to develop some social skills.

[Asker]

I think there is a parallel when we consider how many modern day feminists are essentially just misandrists, using the feminism platform to justify their outright hatred of men.

[DarkLegacy]

That is not their fault if the social awkwardness is caused by Autism

[slatyb]

Misandry and feminism are two very different things. Not saying that everything is great for American men.

[Asker]

@slatyb while you're absolutely right, most feminists that I see, turn a blind eye to misandry. there's been a trend over the last ten years where a lot of men, and even women whom once considered themselves feminists, say they no longer consider themselves feminists because of what the movement has become.. My theory is that that's mostly because extreme versions of feminism went unchecked for so long, that most people can't see feminism as anything more than a hypocrites movement. The reality is that most feminists aren't jumping to correct extreme feminists in the same ways that they check misogynists. And when thats the case, feminism becomes more about domination, rather than equality. So again, while you're right, Ill bet that you can probably attest to the fact that most people dont care about the real definition of feminism anymore, and thats because far too often, most feminists dont know either.

[slatyb]

@DarkLegacy it's their fault if they blame others instead of trying to learn for to behave.

[DarkLegacy]

@slatyb no it is not, society adapts the disabled not the other way round

[slatyb]

@DarkLegacy No one is owed romantic attention.

[Marked_Man]

Absofuckinglutely!

[Nikki1989]

Is this a serious question?

[Razp_Sorbet]

No...

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope