Do women actually care that men in today's society are struggling in all aspects of life just because they're men?

[SolitarySolace]

Yes, they do

No, they don't

[sukumamu]

Modern life is brutal and extremely judgmental to everyone. It's no better to be one or the other in my opinion, modern life just sucks. Any people you choose to compare yourself to in order to prove me wrong just proves the point that our modern society is fatally obsessed with social status, including you.

Setting aside fixed barriers like economic situation, the country/culture you live in, personality disorders, etc., any social difficulties you may be experiencing may have nothing to do with you being a man and everything to do with you. I used to think like that too until I realized not only were women better at talking to people than I was, the men around me were too. I was the one with some kind of issue, and so I got help. Go to therapy, get involved in groups that do things you like to do, genuinely work on yourself. Do whatever it is you feel you have to do to become someone who's fun to be around. You still may not become the most popular dude in your friend group because popularity is hard, but you'll be happier at the very least because you'll be a more decent person. That will be way more effective than keeping score between men and women like this.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I didn't answer the poll. Are we all really struggling though? I was isolated once in a war zone. Another time I hit an IED. Few years later they took a bullet out of my leg after an assassination attempt.

The girl at the corner coffee shop didn't give me her number on my cup... not really a struggle. There's 100 more behind her who will.

[SweetDripp]

So let me see if I have this straight. You spend your days belittling women, telling them how worthless and evil they are and expressing your opinion that women are beneath men, and wonder why women don’t sympathize with your problems? Perhaps you wouldn’t have so many difficulties in life if you didn’t alienate half of the population for no good reason.

To directly answer your question, most women care when most men are having life problems, but you as an individual make it hard for women to care about your problems.

[SolitarySolace]

Just trying to get women to see that majority of the time theyre the problem and they don't seem to understand that

[SweetDripp]

Just because that’s where you place the blame, doesn’t mean that’s where the problem is. A little introspection would be valuable for you.

[SolitarySolace]

You just don't want to accept that blame can be placed on bad individuals for utilizing things meant for good people. The advocation to remove those things so that bad people can't use them brings out your and other women's defensiveness

[SweetDripp]

I’m perfectly fine with blaming the individual bad people for their actions. You want to blame an entire gender for the actions of a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population. And let’s not kid ourselves here, those rules you claim are so widely abused, although imperfect, are necessary to control the bad actions of others as well.

[SolitarySolace]

When did I blame an entire gender

[SweetDripp]

Pretty much every post you put on G@G. For example, earlier in this thread you said “Just trying to get women to see that majority of the time theyre the problem and they don't seem to understand that”

[SolitarySolace]

Do you understand that though?

[SweetDripp]

No, because I, like the overwhelmingly large majority of women, don’t wrongly accuse anyone of things they didn’t do. You, on they other hand, make blaming people unrelated to your situation the foundation of your argument.

[SolitarySolace]

How do you know the overwhelmingly large majority of women are good people? Do you know this overwhelmingly large majority of women? Or at you just assuming because you're bais against men

[SweetDripp]

I’ve already given you more attention than you are worth. It’s like trying to teach a pig to sing.

[SolitarySolace]

I ask you a question and you pretty much call me an idiot? And you're trying to prove to me that not all women are bad people. You're terrible at this

[silyt_ghoest]

Yes. You always have. Welcome to the result of the patriarchy. that's why a society built off the idea one gender is superior is bad - it hurts everyone. Not just the oppressed.

[Snakeyes7]

How is it called a patriarchy if it hurts everyone? Isn't the entire point of root "pat" the implication that it is a society where men get all the power and privilege? How can a man struggle in a society that was supposedly built to benefit him at every possible turn, as I am told it does?

[silyt_ghoest]

@Snakeyes7 things that benefit people can still hurt them. like how medication has side effects

[Snakeyes7]

That still doesn't sound like a benefit. What rights do I have that you don't anyway? I'm talking about things that are encoded in law and not societal issues like being able to walk alone at night which is a retarded idea no matter who you are.

[jshm2]

What do you want them to do, exactly?

Drop their knickers and offer their buttholes for free, to relive their stress, when they pass?

Or cut their lesser paychecks with their male counterparts so they can afford better mental health insurance?

We are all individuals. Some suffer more than others, some do better than others. We can't always help the unfortunate, nor do all unfortunates need help.

Sure where there is clear obvious disparity, but it's a more complex problem than blaming one or the other.

[JacobJordan]

Women don't get paid less. Already been proved a million times over. If anything women are paid more than men with exact same experience and time in field. So if a pay gap exists it is towards men.

[RavVid]

Why would they? For about 50 years the focus has been on them and they like it that way.

[SolitarySolace]

Do you like it that way?

[RavVid]

Pretty tired of the whiny whinging. They're never going to stop that it seems.

[ChiTown33]

Women got there own 💩 to deal with. Of course not. There are still empathetic women out there though. Try not to take what appears as ambivalence personal. You're a MAN! You're strong and you can take what the world throws at you without a woman's support. That's part being a man 101. If you got buddies they will help you through it. Just remember because they're you're buddies they're going to demand that you maintain your self respect as a man.

[NathanDavis]

whiny boys usually get pacifier...

problem is that these stop working once they reach 20's

[SolitarySolace]

So men should just suck it up and never complain about anything at all?

[NathanDavis]

like you? no...

they should grow up instead and become actual men

[Joshydavid25]

Some do, since some make videos about it and whatnot.. I can imagine a lot don't though.. Especially since society is encouraging being selfish and has been for a while.. Plus all the attention many get makes them less empathetic towards men..

[PeachyPie93]

No because we are all struggling in life, we can't really care about everyone. We have to worry about our own asses.

[boggboss]

How are men struggling in all aspects of life sorry

[DextroShade]

Women don't give a fuck about men until they inevitably need one.

[msc545]

exactly!

[dolemite58]

They’re too busy eating frozen yogurt and being lesbians

[IslaTheWitch]

I would, but none of the men I know struggle, so I'm just for them if they want to talk about something :D

[SolitarySolace]

They're not going to admit it. And they're definitely not going to tell a woman because women will see him as weak. Especially his partner. She'd cheat on him or just outright leave.

[IslaTheWitch]

lmao...
if you are not admitting it, it doesn't mean other men do the same. Fortunately my friends know how to ask for help, so we don't have to guess who needs what support.

[SolitarySolace]

Your friends must be feminine men 🤷🏻‍♂️

[IslaTheWitch]

I consider it a bravery and masculine AF to be able to realize the problem that he can't solve alone and ask for help. Definitely more masculine than struggling alone.

[SolitarySolace]

Its brave for a man to risk his masculinity by exposing weakness to a female who look up to men to protect them? What you women call toxic masculinity is needed in order to keep women safe. These days women would rather have daddy government protect them which only demonizes men and forces men to be feminine which is unnatural. You women are doing this. It's no wonder men hate women

[IslaTheWitch]

only a minority of women want to be protected in the modern world. Most of us need a partner for life, someone to talk with, laugh with, and plan a future with, not a protector or provider. We look for a human being with all their imperfections. Because what is important is not the mask of a strong and unapproachable man but someone close, someone like we are.

And being able to spot a problem that someone cannot solve alone and asking for help is the greatest wisdom and act of courage. It's hard to admit I can't do it alone; I need help. But since the beginning of humanity, people worked in groups and offered support and comfort to each other. So now trying to do everything alone and whine it's hard is... simply act of supidity

[SolitarySolace]

So a man that a woman can easily manipulate and use to her benefit? Yeah, no thanks I prefer not to live under the boot of a woman. Happy wife happy life doesn't apply to me.

I do everything alone at work. No one helps me I had to learn to do it all myself. And guess what, I can.

[SolitarySolace]

I bet your feminine boy toys can't say the same

[IslaTheWitch]

so why do you whine?

[SolitarySolace]

Saying I take issue with men being feminine which leads them to believe theyre women and fuck up the natural order of the world is just me whining? 🤣 wow you females are masters at this

[IslaTheWitch]

Men don't compare themselves to women. They take pride in themselves, their strengths and skills. And they constantly work to be better. Women do similarly. Why? Because both genders are human beings. And we want similar things just sometimes choose different ways to achieve them.

[SolitarySolace]

You have no strengths and nor useful skills as a man if you replace your masculinity with femininity

[IslaTheWitch]

no one replaces anything. We are born with specific traits and some we can train. People are different and that's beautiful.

[SolitarySolace]

Did you know men and boys are struggling in school for example while women and girls are excelling and graduating more than men? You obviously fail to see that as a struggle men face so your answer to my question is no you, a woman, do not care that men in today's society are struggling

[IslaTheWitch]

I was struggling at school... nothing new for me... I also struggle in social situations, public speaking, and many others. Does it mean I and others similar to me should cry for pity?

no... it's natural to struggle and seek help or work on ourselves. We are a sentient species. We are good at learning. Just strong willpower is needed.

[SolitarySolace]

😑 do you believe women are being oppressed by a patriarchy?

[IslaTheWitch]

and how this question connects to the current topic?

[SolitarySolace]

Just answer the question woman

[IslaTheWitch]

I will wait for you to explain the new context and the reason for the topic change first. It's what defines a decent conversation.

[SolitarySolace]

Its my poll I asked the original question, therefore it has to do with the original question. If you refuse to answer I will have to assume your answer for you

[IslaTheWitch]

I'm not a person to answer blind questions. Without the context and the reason there is no answer.

[SolitarySolace]

In that case yes you do believe there is a patriarchy oppressing women. When in fact it is the complete opposite. For example there are laws men created to protect women that women abuse and are using to hurt men. Instead of something being done about this everyone deems those who realize this to be misogynists or incels and attack them for having this realization.

[IslaTheWitch]

those are your words... hmmm you have very interesting opinion...

[SolitarySolace]

I had to because you refused to answer because you are a difficult woman

[IslaTheWitch]

I'm high integrity woman, yes I know. Weak people have problem dealing with me because base on logic and reason :D

and no one asked you to create any answer in my name, you were asked to provide the context and the reason but you refused without giving the reason for your refusal. It was very emotional and feminine...

[SolitarySolace]

I answered your question of "what does this new question have to do with the other" by answering for you if you would have just answered instead of being difficult things would have progressed as normal. Get off you pedistal and have a conversation with me as a human being instead of an ass

[IslaTheWitch]

you didn't answer the question of how it connects with the topic nor questions about the context and the reason for the change of the subject. You are manipulative in your behavior.

[SolitarySolace]

Right, I'm the manipulative one says the manipulative woman

[SolitarySolace]

Can't just make things easy have to make things difficult this is why men regret getting married

[IslaTheWitch]

Answer my questions openly, without not needed comments and we can proceed with the conversation. Asking for reason and context is not making things more difficult. It's the only logical action if the subject of the conversation changes

[SolitarySolace]

I refuse to have a conversation with a woman who is attempting to control everything about said conversation.

[IslaTheWitch]

and I refuse to answer questions without knowing their context, so we are done here

[AngryCarl]

Why would women care? Did you care about women when they were struggling?

[Snakeyes7]

When did they ever struggle with anything that is specifically a societal issue?

Most if not all the issues feminists bring up are either not true or are isolated incidents that have been made to be societal when it isn't.

If feminists were correct about the whole "centuries of oppression" thing, humanity wouldn't have made it as far as it has. Humanity would have been lucky to have lasted even a few after the supposed oppression started.

[Agape93]

Yeah, same as men giving a shit about women struggling and suffering just for being women.

[SolitarySolace]

Right cuz that definitely happens just as much as it does to men

[Agape93]

Why are you always trying to shit on anything remotely even positive, like both genders giving a shit about each other? Seriously?

[SolitarySolace]

Because they don’t. Women have an entitlement complex, some even a god complex. Not saying men don’t but majority of women compared to men do. I’m sick of all of the shit women get that they don’t deserve. Not saying men deserve it instead. No one does.

[Agape93]

So when we say we care, you disregard us entirely in favor of your own preconceptions? Got it.

[SolitarySolace]

Gotta protect myself somehow that’s how I’ve been doing it for years and it’s working

[Agape93]

And I thought i was toxic. Jesus christ, at least I'm not a bigot to 4 billion people just because of their geners.

[SolitarySolace]

🤷🏻‍♂️ you women only have yourselves to blame for why I am who I am today

[Agape93]

Can't even take responsibility for your own toxicity and bigotry.

[SolitarySolace]

Why should I when women don’t? Once women start taking responsibility for everything and anything they’re responsible for I’ll do the same. But until then, duck it

[Agape93]

Wow, very mature and a great reason for others to follow your example. I do take responsibility to. the point I even admitted I'm toxic, so why not cut the shit with me. at least

[Agape93]

Or is basic courtesy too. much to ask?

[SolitarySolace]

Too much to ask when asked by a woman.

[Agape93]

Even when that woman has followed your responsibility criteria? Or is this just blanket sexism?

[SolitarySolace]

I didn’t say 1 women had to take responsibility and not just claim they did but ACTUALLY DO IT. I meant ALL women who are known for not taking responsibility at all.

[SolitarySolace]

If you want to take that as sexism go for it. I’m already considered a misogynist/incel and those words mean nothing to me

[Agape93]

When you blanket all. women as the same, and treat us like shit because of our gender, that's literally sexism. I'm trying to have a decent conversation but you seem wholly opposed to basic decency between people.

So again, will you drop the hostility and just be a decent person for once?

[SolitarySolace]

When majority of women stop blanketing all men maybe I will. Until then, deal with it

[Agape93]

Do you treat your family this way as well?

[SolitarySolace]

No. They’re my family. They’ve never utilized their supposed innocence by being female against me like women outside of my family have.

[Agape93]

Ah at least you spare some innocent people from your bigotry. Kudos

[Chthou95]

Nope they don't give a shit. People in genenal dont give a shit about men's problems

[msc545]

THey certainly don't give a damn.

[Slim57]

Some do some don't