Have women forgotten that male attraction is driven by looks and femininity first?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Not trying to cause trouble (alright, possibly a little), but I’ve always noticed this among women nowadays.

modern women, the vast majority of them will have bitchfits if the man makes the approach based on physical or sexual attractiveness.

But here is the reality. We, all of us on planet Earth exist today because our fathers ones thought our mothers were, you guest it, HOT

That magnetism didn’t begin with their career, their diploma, or their opinions on TikTok—it began with how they looked, acted, and carried themselves.

So why does that reality trigger so much women nowadays? Are men men supposed to be asexual? are we not supposed to desire first and filter later?

what exactly is going on?

[D_Bone_Steak]

I've identified this as well, and it's modern feminism to blame. You know, the kind the CIA pushed... yes, the CIA pushed modern feminism... and that form of state sponsored feminism wants what any inflated government wants... money. So work women, get out there and work... just make sure you pay your taxes. Anyways, what is the teachings...

Basically be a man. Not just have sex like some stereotypical man supposedly has... but chase career, education, and anything other than staying at home and raising your own kids (if you do have kids, pay someone else to watch them so you can work some more lolz).

Combine this with the sheer solipsism the female gender seems to have. They want such and such, therefore (in their minds) everyone else does. Obviously that's equaling a lot of guys rolling their fucking eyes everytime a woman starts bragging about their large body counts, education, and career.

Some women don't feed off the feminism propaganda and have families of their own. Other's are just smart enough to not have that mindset and realize males don't view partners the same way they do. But that left side of the IQ bell curve is a lot of women... and someone out there has gotten rich by selling them nose rings. And it's those women that will read this and be triggered by everything I just said.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

a lot of them on this site do get trigger.

they swear that their s/o's fell for their personality and not their actual physicality. if that is not some DIsney bullshit then I dont know what is

[Sevenpointfive]

one of the last girls i was with (11 years ago) had such a unique situation. that's not the point. it's what it led to that's moronic. but basically she was being forced into a relationship by her sister to be with an incredibly ugly guy (with an inheritance). she said she told him he'd have to shave his beard and start working out if they were going to date. but then i show up and she steps back from that.

i get her over and realize she's cute, but she looked like a 8.5-9/10 when she tried. so i hinted at hygiene and how she looked good certain ways. nothing over the top. we agreed on trying to be attractive for each other from the start. that broke down fairly quickly. i broke it off and my female friend asked her what happened? she said, "if he can't handle me at my worst, he doesn't deserve me at my best".

i shit you not! she was kind of an idiot (more naive), but i did it more as a lesson for her (since we weren't going to work out anyway). i guess she got the message in the end, but maybe she didn't. she was forced herself into that relationship with the ugly dude and he only shaved for 3 weeks and never worked out lol

[Apple1996]

Not all men go after women based on looks. Otherwise thered be a lot of women not in relationships or married. You gotta remember in basically all species the females are the basic looking ones and the males are the beautiful ones. Its no different for humans. The females hold value in being able to create new life. Not in being beautiful

[Filthy_Immigrant]

You're confusing capability of biology with sexual market value. Every woman is capable of producing life — that's just not what makes her valuable among men. Men seek beauty, feminity, faithfulness, and calmness.

That's always the benchmark, regardless of how much individuals wish they could shift the paradigm.

And no, by virtue of having this relationship doesn't automatically make one high value — numerous men of inferior standard settle just the same. The fact is, women are competing with high value men just the way men compete with women's beauty. That's the game, like it or otherwise

[Apple1996]

there's no game 😂 its been that way for all of human history that womens ability to create life is what is valuable about us. Its not gonna change now just because of social media and porn ruining men to only find womens looks important. There are decent men out there who aren't brainwashed by the media. A woman could be a 1/10 but still is gonna pull men because of her value as a woman

[Apple1996]

Would there be less of a need for equality if feminine traits/femininity was seen as more valuable? ↗

I made this question awhile ago about how femininity /feminine traits are often looked down on. They are not valued as much as masculine traits so women in turn are just gonna act more masculine by default until everyone starts valuing femininity

[Filthy_Immigrant]

There absolutely is a game — the sexual marketplace doesn’t stop existing just because it’s inconvenient. A woman’s biological ability to give birth doesn’t make her automatically high value in a man’s eyes. High-value men don’t commit based on potential fertility; they commit to beauty, loyalty, and femininity.

The truth is, femininity is valuable — but most modern women abandoned it to chase masculine traits, and now they wonder why men don’t want them. You don’t get to act like a man and then demand to be treated like a queen. That’s not how any of this works

[Apple1996]

Lol you are cracking me up with all this red pill talk 🤣 men have no reason to date women for looks. there's no benefit to it

[Filthy_Immigrant]

If men had no reason to value beauty, the entire beauty, fitness, makeup, fashion, and cosmetic surgery industries wouldn’t exist — all of which are driven almost entirely by women trying to attract men.

Beauty matters because it signals youth, fertility, and health — all biological cues men are wired to respond to. Saying beauty has no benefit is like saying charisma doesn’t matter in leadership. Just because you don’t value it doesn't mean reality stops working. Men are visual, always have been, always will be; whether feminists like it or not

[Apple1996]

Men and women are equally visual. There's no difference between us but that still is not about beauty. Those things you listed exist because of women being insecure even lesbians/asexuals/men even do those things so its not being done for a man

[Apple1996]

And wouldn't not valuing beauty be more tradtional rather than feminist? Feminism made it so women can freely dress however they want, wear makeup, get surgery

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Trying to say men and women are equally visual is just another way of avoiding reality. Men are biologically wired to be more visually driven — it’s not about insecurity, it’s about attraction. And traditional values actually upheld beauty as a feminine trait to be maintained — not dismissed. The truth is, men value beauty, always have, and always will. Everything else is noise.

[Apple1996]

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ I encourage you to look back at women throughout history. Besides modern times the past 50 years or so women have never had to be beauties to get men. And nope its true that men and women are equally visual

[Filthy_Immigrant]

You’re confusing survival-based pairings with desire-based attraction. Throughout history, beauty was absolutely valued — the most beautiful women were chosen by the most powerful men. Even arranged marriages factored in appearance as part of the woman's value. Men and women are not equally visual — if they were, men wouldn’t dominate porn consumption and women wouldn’t fall for men based on status and dominance. Attraction isn’t equal — it’s complementary. Biology always wins.

also if men and women were equally visual, then you mind explaining while female strippers make $700-1000 a night while male strippers barely make that much in a week?

lastly why is the magazine Playgirl not as successful as Playboy? this obviously because male desire is visual, and female desire is contextual. That’s not sexism — it’s sexual market reality.

[Makeushiver]

@Apple1996 Ideals of beauty change. Before the 20th century, women who were Zaftig were considered beautiful and the heroin chic look would never have passed muster.

[Apple1996]

Porn, strippers etc men fall into looking at those things because they are desperate and get off on degrading women by paying to see them nude. Women are not desperate or into degrading men to the point of paying them to get naked. Those things are not connected to men being more visual but more so men viewing women as objects.

[Apple1996]

@Makeushiver true beauty standards are ever changing

[Filthy_Immigrant]

ahh I started watching porn and checking women out since I was 6, way before I knew what desperation let alone degredation and getting off was.

Men are visual because we’re biologically wired to seek youth, fertility, and beauty. That’s not desperation — that’s natural male desire. Porn and strip clubs exist because women are beautiful and men are willing to pay to experience that beauty. If women didn’t benefit from this dynamic, they wouldn’t build billion-dollar industries off it. Viewing women sexually isn’t evil — pretending men shouldn’t is just denial.

Seeing value in a woman’s body doesn’t mean we ignore her humanity — it means we understand her sexual market value

[Apple1996]

Believe it or not boys start viewing women as objects from a very young age. Its ingrained into our society. And in my opinion most men dont see women as humans if they're after looks but that's just based off my lived experiences as a woman. There's definitely a difference in the men who care about looks compared to the ones who don't. Id pick the ones who dont everytime

[Apple1996]

And the women who benefit financially off their looks is because they choose to objectify themselves first before men do. It gives them the power and consent over their own bodies

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Exactly. Women objectify themselves all the time — and profit from it. The ones who complain the loudest usually aren't upset about being objectified — they're upset they can't be anymore. It's not about principles, it's about results. Always has been.

[Makeushiver]

I think we can get overwhelmed by what out brand new neo-cortex decides is rational and forget that our opinions are shaped by far older and more powerful parts of the brain that runs us not the other way around. Physical attraction may seem shallow but once anthropology class is out we may need to reflect that our rational brain and ego with it's opinions are academically sound but overruled by our genetic demands that no one, certainly not me at least, can overrule.

[WonderingManII]

I agree with you. Something has gotten mixed up. In Christianity we believe that lust is a sin. But the people you are talking about believe that objectification is a wrong. In Christianity we base that lust view on something Jesus said. I don't understand what the secular people based their view on. Their feelings? I'm just thinking out loud.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

religion and feminism want us men to be asexual I guess. they want to end civilization

[WonderingManII]

The lust scripture in the Bible hasn't kept the majority of Christians from getting married and multiplying. But it has caused us confusion. I admit to that!

[Dongie]

Hehe, it doesn't matter if you do or you don't, women are going to bitch! 😅

[Dongie]

Ragnar is correct!

[Filthy_Immigrant]

the ones that feel complexed about their physicality are usually the ones that bitch the most

[Dongie]

Naturally so! They're ate-up with concededness.

[dustybiker2]

Ignorance is bliss.