Guys on here, I want to give you a word of advice?

[camp8989]

I see a TON of guys on here who are so depressed over not having a girlfriend and are so pissed at the guys who seem to get all the girls. the reality is, you will find some one, most of you are young and you have SO much time before you actually find "the one." Also, the guys you are all jealous of are generally not good guys. I have generally dated "bad boy" types that I am always attracted to because they're really attractive, exciting, and don't fawn all over me. Unfortunately, the majority of them have lied, cheated, and manipulated the shit out of our relationships. I have no doubt that I will end up with a "nice guy" and I can tell you with a fair amount of confidence that most girls will because no girl with self respect sticks around with a "bad boy" in less he reforms himself. I have to say I hope for the reformed bad boy, but he is a rare bird and once he's reformed, who's to say he'll be exciting anymore? Anyway, keep hope alive you guys, most of you sound like very caring, kind, and interesting guys who have a lot to offer.

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update: you guys are hard to please. I am trying to say girls make mistakes with 'bad boys" but the good guys win out in the end. I thought that got through, but for some of you I guess it didn't and I'm sorry. I was trying to encourage you to be good to women.

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I really hit a nerve! I apologize! I would also like to clarify though: I am not a gold digger, I am not a liar, and I am not trying to change any guy that I date from the person who he is. I guess I am drawn to guys who are a little edgy and that can be tough, but hopefully I'll end up with a guy who suits that and is also a mature and loving human being.

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YIKES.

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To the guys on here spewing misogynistic shit all over this thread: I feel sorry for you. being sexually frustrated really must suck. hating women because they won't fuck you and getting continuously denied by women must be very hard. Let me please remind you though that hating women is not going to get you women. judging a woman for how many people she fucked will get you anywhere either. grow the fuck up and maybe you'll get lucky, but I doubt it. jacking off alone's no that sad, right?

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please read the first sentence of the last update before you flip out. some guys on here have given mature responses even if they disagreed, whereas the others, the ones I was referring to just make asinine comments about how much they hate women and trying to say it is up to them how many men a woman can sleep with to be considered worthy of their fucking time.

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I repeat to those of you who don't seem to get it, STOP HATING WOMEN AND YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY GET LAID.

[Anonymous]

"I see a TON of guys on here who are so depressed over not having a girlfriend and are so pissed at the guys who seem to get all the girls."

It is human nature to be jealous of those who are better off in a certain area than you. Many men will prey to this, though when it comes to dating, there is a very specific reason for those men to be angry at how the chips have fallen. It's because--

"Also, the guys you are all jealous of are generally not good guys."

Oh, you know already? That's exactly why men get angry! Because the experiences of many men have just about proven that girls love to date assholes? Well, you know, so you're smart enough to only date a good guy, right?

"I have generally dated "bad boy" types that I am always attracted to because they're really attractive, exciting, and don't fawn all over me. Unfortunately, the majority of them have lied, cheated, and manipulated the shit out of our relationships."

Oh, so yes, you're just more proof that asshole game is very effective, and these poor saps need to learn it...?

" I have no doubt that I will end up with a "nice guy" and I can tell you with a fair amount of confidence that most girls will because no girl with self respect sticks around with a "bad boy" in less he reforms himself."

Here's a piece of advice. You just, with the kindest intentions, showing a heart that has sympathy, told the non-asshole, boring nice/good guys what many others have told them--a heart crushing thing to say. You just said, "I'm busy sleeping with the exciting bad boys and having hot sex all night in many positions, but don't worry, when I'm older and I've had my fun, you'll be lucky number 9/12/16!"

How does our society not realize what a soul crushing piece of advice that is? It's one thing to say to those men, "You need to learn style, you need to work out, you need to become a little brash and fun. (all of that would be great advice for most men.)" Yet instead we say, "Don't worry! Sure, the hot college girls are all busy having sex with the 'jerks, assholes, liars, cheaters' and getting emotionally burnt on them between steaming flings, but when she's older and she's had her fun, you'll finally get a turn!"

Ladies. You need to realize something.

More and more woman are blatantly saying such. And more and more men are realizing what it means, or translating to make sure their fellow men know what it means.

Society is changing, in small part thanks to how the internet helps with communication among men, with dating. You know what might happen in a few years when you've had your fun and you're ready for the boring plan B, since the asshole didn't reform?

There just might not be any "good guys" waiting for you after women have turned them all into "bad boy types". Women are rewarding bad boy behavior--they're getting a LOT more of it.

[camp8989]

YES YOU GET IT I have amazing sex with bad boys in ALL the different positions ALL NIGHT EVERY NIGHT. And I realize maybe that pisses people off and I don't necessarily want to end up with one of these kinds of guys. But right now I'm having a good time and I'm having great sex. hows that?

[Opinion Owner]

You go ahead and keep doing what you like.

But I and ten thousand other men are spreading the word--and you're helping a nice bit--to make sure that my brothers know better than to be your "plan B" when you're aging and getting desperate, lmao. No man deserves to be a "boring guy to settle down with" after a slut has had fun on the carousal.

Keep having fun. You're getting it all now--and there's a hundred threads *already* of "guys just want to have sex, where are the nice guys?!"

[camp8989]

yep, that's me, a slut having fun on the carousel. you might have fun too if you lightened up a bit.

[Opinion Owner]

Oh, I have no doubt it's fun. Millions of young women can't be wrong. Problem is, for you and me, that's a short term thing. Then you start getting older and looking for a boring good guy to settle for, since you can't get any bad boys to reform.

Who should have to pay new price for used goods? Let's say you're car shopping. Do you want one with 150k city miles on it from partying and bad boys and emotional burnout? Or a newer one with 30k miles on it?

[Opinion Owner]

Another problem. Society is built on families, and that happens when people marry young and build a life. Average marriage age has skyrocketed, along with fertility clinic industry.

What happens when we as a society are telling young men, "no worries about getting married or providing, just live it up! women don't even want a steady boyfriend right now."

What happens at age 30, when the women are rushing to convince men to *now* settle down, and men slacked off all 20's?

[Opinion Owner]

I do have an honest question for you.

Girls live it up in their 20's, as you said, with bad boys.

Then they decide to settle down and have a family.

Do you think the "good guys" will be suddenly grateful enough to forget that girls like you didn't want them when you were hot and young?

And do you think after having loads of free sex for 9, 10 years, that any man attractive enough to be wanted will want to now have to settle down, when he's used to sex costing a few beers?

[camp8989]

hey, what if women don't give a shit how many uh, "miles" they supposedly have on them? You just masterfully related women to cars, and you sound like a true misogynist. The average age of marriage is going up because women can now CHOOSE when to get married, and usually smarter people marry later because they GROW UP. People who marry young have horrible mid life crisis and almost always get divorced.

[Opinion Owner]

Fun fact--when you're getting married, it's the opposite sex that decides what's acceptable.

And not very long ago at all, average age of marriage was lower, and divorce rate was a fraction of what it is now.

And yeah, women delay marriage because they want to be sluts in their prime, then settle down when the wall approaches. Funny they want a boring good guy just as their fertility and looks are declining.

[Opinion Owner]

BTW, before you gripe about guys considering your looks and emotional state, consider--girls usually want to date guys taller, stronger, older, smarter, wealthier. So we're dating girls dumber, younger, weaker, poorer, and shorter. Aside from boobs and ass, girls don't offer much!

Let me ask you--what do men get out of marriage that we don't get out of a hot live in girlfriend? Marriage benefits women far more than men.

[camp8989]

you are so out of line it's amazing: women do not have sex and enjoy sex to be sluts, WE ARE NOT SUTS, WE JUST LIKE SEX. fucking get that or keep on going offending every woman you come in contact with who actually enjoys sex and has respect for herself and her sexual preferences. Women who don't enjoy sex are the ones with the emotional issues because it is a 100% natural phenomenon for women to enjoy sex, it's part of being a fucking human being.

[martyfellow]

'It's an ill chef that can't lick his own fingers..." You are corectly interpreting the QA's question, and she honestly doesn't realize it!

[Opinion Owner]

I hate to break it to you, QA, but while women have no problem justifying having 10 partners by 24, it will come back to bite you in the ass, because it's *men* who decide if you're a slut or not, not women. Remember--bitches get a mirror, sluts get passed around for all to enjoy, a woman gets a man, and a lady gets a gentleman.

And nice reference, Marty, the classics do always have the perfect wisdom.

[camp8989]

men don't decide my worth idiot, I do. and if a guy judges me by my sexual past he's a dick anyway.

[martyfellow]

N one has brought up the viral load of women who have been 'on the carousel' with bad boys, most of whom dabble in drugs and prostitutes...Like Eliot Spitzer...

You think most guys don't know about STD's, and are going to want to settle down with a girl who is now over 24 and no longer a sought-after playmate for the well guys?

[Opinion Owner]

Actually, men *do* decide your worth as far as dating/relationships go. You can set an initial price, but your value as a girlfriend/wife is only what men decide it is. It's like selling a leather jacket on ebay--I can say "$800 buy it now" but if people are only willing to pay $100 for that jacket, it's only worth $100, because market decides value. men are your market. We actually do decide a woman's worth as a girlfriend/wife.

[Cheeseburgers]

Exactly. Fantastic point.

[camp8989]

That was absolutely disgusting. I am not a jacket. and I DO decide my self worth, it's called SELF RESPECT. I doubt you will EVER find a girl willing to date you once you lay down that misogynistic scum on them. I am also not over 24, and who gives a fuck even if I am, which I will be, in a year! BIG DEAL. I know what I am worth, and I am worth the best, whether I like to have sex or not. which I do, because I'm fucking human. you make me sick.

[Opinion Owner]

Sorry, but that's not the way the world works. I might decide I'm worth dating a celebrity like Rachel Bilson or Selena Gomez, but that hardly makes it so. And for a woman, when you're a slut who's had 10, 15 partners, no, you're not worth nearly as much as girlfriend or wife. I'm sure you can find 100 guys to bang you. But a slut like you will be lucky to find one decent man who would consider you for a serious relationship unless you seriously date down, like dating a big fat guy, lmao.

[Koldhearted]

100% right qa. You ain't a jacket. At least a jacket has its uses.

[camp8989]

so what if selena gomezz and rachel bilson wanted to date you but told you they'd had sex with 15 people (or GASP more?!? huh? By the way, you have no idea how many guys I've had sex with, but I have been in very loving relationships with very successful men. You'll never get a girl like me, and I KNOW that bothers you, so I'm sorry you're bitter (and probably the "big fat guy" you refer to.

[camp8989]

basically it comes down to this: I can date or have sex with whoever I want, and I can afford to be picky, and I know that, and it's fucking great. You guys clearly aren't getting any, and I'm sorry you're so sexually frustrated as to take it out on women. Trust me, the guys that get laid love women, not hate them like you do.

[Opinion Owner]

What it also comes down to is--you fear the day it comes back to bite you, because there are always consequences for every lifestyle. You know that. That's why you have reacted so outraged at my comments, because it is a truth you try to deny, because you fear the day it catches up to you. If you were so sure of things, you would not be outraged now, you'd laugh merrily.

And I hate to break it to you--but I've dated girls better looking and less slutty than you. Pretty girls are a dime a dozen.

[Opinion Owner]

The greater irony, is that as you rant on here about how you can slut it up and be picky--you're *helping* to burn your own plan B, as described in the original question. More and more girls are blatantly living the "slut it up in the 20's, then find a nice guy to settle down with" plan. But you're a warning for men *not* to be your plan B. When you're 28, you'll be posting "Where are all the nice guys gone!?! All guys just want sex!"

And you'll have yourself and fellow sluts to thank!

[camp8989]

well at least me and my "fellow sluts" are having 10x the fun you are. by the way, you keep calling me a slut yet have no idea what my sex life is actually like. your arrogance is amazing, and not to sound full of myself but you haven't dated girls better than me, and you never will.

[Opinion Owner]

And yeah, I'm sure you're having tons of fun right now. But I can already google and see what's in store for you in a few years. I've read dozens of the rants, the "guys just want sex and won't commit", the "I feel like my life is over, I'm never going to get to marry and have kids" etc.

And I'm guessing then that that must not be you in your pic, because yes, I've gone out with women better looking than that.

[Opinion Owner]

It's pretty simple in economic terms. You're spending it all, now, and you're going to be miserable later. Another fun fact? Late 20's, then you freak out and decide to settle down--you're going to be miserable with the guys that will have you, because it won't be fun and dramatic like all the bad boys you're used to having sex with in the parking lot, etc. Then you're going to get divorced, thinking you can trade up, then you're going to get cats, lmao.

[camp8989]

Well, I'm glad you have spent so much time trying to dissect and analyze a life that I haven't (or will) live, but I think it's safe to say that you now... go get your own life and stop obsessing about a fantasy one. You're mad and your bitter and you have no evidence as to how I live my life expect that I enjoy sex and like to have fun. I could have only had sex with two guys before, or it could be 7, or 8? You don't know anything about me, so stop obsessing over a fantasy.

[Opinion Owner]

Lmao, I'm pretty positive it's more in the neighborhood of 10 and up.

And if you didn't want people to take interest, you shouldn't have posted a thing about how you and other girls love jerks like me, but you'll eventually end up with a nice guy, lol!

[Opinion Owner]

Given that you have made multiple comments defending that it's fine to have a high partner count and normal if anyone is not frigid, and you haven't stated that you don't, it's fairly obvious which is the more likely scenario. And do continue. This is utterly hilarious! You make a post about how it's normal for a girl to sleep around and have fun with bad boys, but she'll eventually settle down with a nice guy, then you act upset when people realize that means---"slut it up in 20's?" LMAO! xD

[camp8989]

I said "dated bad boys" you fucking idiot, not "sleep around with" and I'm not saying what's normal and what's not but I am saying that if you're safe and you want to have sex with more people than another person does, I'm not going to judge that because that has nothing to do with who you actually are. I don't "sleep around" but I'm also not going to let society tell me what I can and can't do with my sex life. you're upset because you can't get laid, but don't take it out on me.

[Opinion Owner]

Actually, that's not why I take issue with your comments. I already got past that phase. I did the "treat women with respect, kindness, be a sweet guy" and it gave me almost zero luck, when I was younger. I adapted, learned what women wanted Junior year, and almost immediately had a hot classmate ask to be FWB's.

I take issue because not only is your advice cruel, but while it's easy for some of us to play the field, it's like shoplifting. Tiny, fun actions, that eventually harm us the system.

[Opinion Owner]

What's ironic is--when I had my cliche "adored girl, but got friendzoned and she said she still loved her asshole ex but really liked me as a friend" moment, it was her player ex who I learned from. Awesome guy. Ironically, the girl was pissed that I had "gotten chummy" with him and asked him for dating advice, commenting even "fine, be an asshole like Dorean!"

More female logic. She was wet for him despite all his true assholeness, but told me not to be like him, after rejecting me. LMAO!

[Cheeseburgers]

What a fantastic answer.

"Oh, so yes, you're just more proof that asshole game is very effective"

Her "advice" was as helpful as a backhanded compliment.

[camp8989]

I'M SORRY YOU GUYS CAN'T GET LAID. maybe lower your standards, you can't get women like me.

[Opinion Owner]

Maybe if you shout it in all caps you'll convince yourself better, sweety. :) Don't worry. You're a solid 7. That's nothing to be ashamed of. But when guys are used to dating 8's, they're not impressed. But you'll meet some nice chubby guy when you're getting ignored for the next generation of younger, hotter chicks.

[Cheeseburgers]

A seven is generous, in my honest, objective opinion.

She is a 6.5 at worst/best. Her nose is disproportionate.

[camp8989]

I'm a model, idiot, I get paid because I hit the genetic fucking jackpot. you keep god damn messaging on this thread because you're obsessed with me, now go get a life.

[Cheeseburgers]

Lmao! You're delusional. I'm better looking than you, and I pass on women who look better than you, regularly. Nothing to obsess about, this is fun for me.

[camp8989]

upload a picture then dickhead, are is it because you're actually just a sad fat fuck sitting alone in his parent's house?

[Cheeseburgers]

Lmao. I won't display myself, not out of shame, but rather I don't want my identity to be known.

[camp8989]

ya, right, nice excuse. until you actually show what you really look like you have absolutely NO right to judge what I look like. at this point I can almost guarantee you are the sad, bitter pussy I though you were who can't get women because he has a sick misogynistic attitude and probably looks like the pillbury dough boy. thanks for letting me easily win this stupid argument, and with that, I am done, go back to stuffing your face with cheeseburgers, maybe numb the pain of being an ugly jerk.

[Cheeseburgers]

Lmao. Whether you believe me or not means nothing. I don't need some girl with a nose from Gargoyles to agree with me.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Cheeseburgers, I know right just imagine if we displayed ourselves the feminazis would never let us here the end of how we're such chauvinistic pigs. No way is an attractive man allowed to have a Politically Incorrect opinion or viewpoint that's so unfair only ugly men are allowed to hate us 'cause we don't care cause they're ugly. It's like they've built there reality on a house of cards & they're terrified it's gonna fall down...

[Cheeseburgers]

True indeed! Well said. People who are attractive, whether it be a man or a woman, are lynched for the slightest controversial action that an ugly person can easily get away with.

People tend to form conclusions about you based on your height, skin color, religion, the music you listen to, the clothes you wear, or even how your hair is styled.

"Oh, he just thinks that way because of 'X'."

It is simply counter productive to identify yourself whilst sharing your opinion.

[diegoD]

how do you exactly lighten up? why don't you have fun in a carrosel with a nice guy? and what can a nice guy change without completely becoming an asshole to have girl such as yourself without waiting so many years?

[diegoD]

by your logic you are a bitch for denying nice guys a chance!! or have you ever dated or have anything with a nicer guy? would you give a chance to a nice guy without making him wait 15 yeears? I do agree that it is messed up judging someone for the number of partners, but judging someone simply because they are nice even if they are good looking are good looking and in good physical shape etc. I f I run into a girl like that I will that to use people I will dump her. "you have no doubt" you will end up with a good guy? how soon will you do that? you dont have to marry one right now if you find one, you can keep doing what you are doing, how many partenrs or boyfriends have you had if you only bed bad boys? please answer I need advice

[Highwasp]

Flipping the Script:

Girls on here, I want to give you a word of advice?

I see a TON of girls on here who are so depressed over not having a boyfriend and are so pissed at the girls who seem to get all the guys. The reality is, you will find some one, most of you are young and you have SO much time before you actually find “the one.” Also, the girls you are all jealous of are generally not good girls. I have generally dated “bad girl” types that I am always attracted to because they’re really attractive, exciting, and don’t fawn all over me. Unfortunately, the majority of them have lied, cheated, and manipulated the shit out of our relationships. I have no doubt that I will end up with a “nice girl” and I can tell you with a fair amount of confidence that most guys will because no guy with self respect sticks around with a “bad girl” in less she reforms herself. I have to say I hope for the reformed bad girl, but she is a rare bird and once she’s reformed, who’s to say she’ll be exciting anymore? Anyway, keep hope alive you girls, most of you sound like very caring, kind, and interesting girls who have a lot to offer.

Update: update: you girls are hard to please. I am trying to say guys make mistakes with ‘bad girls” but the good girls win out in the end. I thought that got through, but for some of you I guess it didn’t and I’m sorry. I was trying to encourage you to be good to men...

Update: I really hit a nerve! I apologize! I would also like to clarify though: I am not a 'womanizer', I am not a liar, and I am not trying to change any girl that I date from the person who she is. I guess I am drawn to girls who are a little edgy and that can be tough, but hopefully I’ll end up with a girl who suits that and is also a mature and loving human being...

(Isn't that some of the most condescending crap you ever read?!)

[martyfellow]

If a guy had posted this question, all the fembots would have written denouncing posts. but somehow, it's OK for a girl to be shallow and a groupie..'we'll look for nice guys after we're no longer attractive to the bad guys.'

Condescending? That's way, waay too polite.

It's downright contemptuous of guys, but like others, I have to thank Camp8989 for being TRUTHFUL..

[Cheeseburgers]

Give this man the BA award.

Demote that other crap, this gets the W.

[camp8989]

that's right, I wrote this to piss all you guys off, that was my exact intention. sorry you're so insecure you take everything as a personal insult, grow a pair.

[M_A_X]

It sounds like you DID write it to piss people off. Listen at you! "STOP HATING WOMEN AND YOU'LL GET A DATE"

Way to over generalize things, and also trivialize anything we might say in response. Quick, don't let people call you out on your own dumb actions. Don't face consequences and learn from them. Just deny deny deny

[camp8989]

I don't know why you deliberately misquoted me, but suit yourself. I'm not denying anything, there is some really disgusting misogynistic bullshit in a lot of these comments and answers and I'm just addressing that. I'm sorry you're so bitter, but I'm done arguing about this, this post started a shit storm that I did not intend and no longer want to deal with.

[Anonymous]

"you have SO much time" Right there-- Stop that. Seriously. You obviously have no idea what it's like to have the things a person says they all want and still not end up with anyone. Telling a person they have SO much time is nothing more than a cop-out for the fact that you don't understand or have an answer.

"I am always attracted to [bad boys] because they're really attractive, exciting, and don't fawn all over me." And a nice guy isn't?! That's nice for you, falling into that stereotype where girls like assholes. Great.

"I have no doubt that I will end up with a "nice guy"" I know you mean well, but if you've been listening carefully, you'll hear some "nice guys" whine about how they end up with the hot, bitchy girls who've been used up, jaded, and faded out. Then they have to deal with the baggage and attitude that the so called "bad boys" passed on. The honest truth is, some guys will find that bad attitude unappealing and walk out on you instead. What makes you think they'll be all over you when you're done being burned by bad guys? Rhetorical question.

You tell all these nice guys that they're wanted, and you go back to wanting the "reformed" bad boy? What?! You do realize how that makes everything else you say irrelevant. You want a man who "changes" himself for you or something? That's impossible. Men and women only change for themselves. At this point, everything you say is like a backhanded compliment.

What are you, 15? Don't be a bitch.

And I'm 100% a girl.

[camp8989]

lol are you sure you're not 89% girl? what a weird comment. don't get so mad, lady, like you said, I meant well.

[Anonymous]

Hi, I get what you're trying to do but read a few of the questions on here and the vile responses you get back despite the guy not knowing who you are, how much you earn, what you look like or whether you can back up what you say. The only way to win these arguments would be to post your information to prove your story which would be do totally idiotic. I know it's hard not to reach out to people that seem to be hurting but a lot if these questions are just to have a whinge about women. Ill leave it to you to have a look at the threads and decide for yourself but it seems to be a total waste of time, you'll get your head bitten off no matter what you say, as you've no doubt now had happen in response to what seems to be a good hearted gesture. And guys, don't bother posting abusice or derisive comments since I won't be reading them, I'm only trying to help someone who's probably feeling pretty hurt right now, not have a debate.

[evenlift]

Nice guys are losers, and feminism created them.

[camp8989]

I feel really sorry for whoever raised you

[ironeddie]

Very. Very well said

[Tigurinn2]

I agree with evenlift

[diegoD]

@evenlift how so? feminism created nice guys? how?

[dreamergirl94]

Don't listen to these guys, hun. You were just doing this out of the goodness of your heart and most of these guys are turning it around, nit-picking, and making your post seem cruel and wrong. You may have just worded it not so well, which is understandable. We can't always get the words right and completely express our intentions - especially online. Anyone who doesn't understand this and is putting her down because of this is not the brightest.

So thanks for being sweet :) I don't understand why everyone has to find a mistake within everybody else.

[camp8989]

thank you, that is all really kind of you to say :)

[diegoD]

are you fucking kidding me? out of the goodness of her heart? she is saying I am gonna fall for the assholes and fuck you nice guys!!! , only when I am lonely enough I will give a chance, thus I have only used you, and will keep using you. IF she was "sweet" or "good" she would either give some REAL word of advice for the nicer guys on how to act to her, or to give a nice guy a chance

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

GUYS WHO ARE BUTTHURT PLEASE STFU & LISTEN SHE TOLD YOU THE COLD HARD TRUTH! Now that you know the truth ''The Ball is in Your Court'' you need to learn GAME & go clubbing for loose women at night clubs. You also need to pick a passion in life something physical like martial arts or extreme sports so you can prove that you are an alpha, BUT if you are already in your mid to late 20s aka 25yo+ or 30s & you've only now just learned the real truth then you need to do what I just said but DON'T MARRY AN AMERICAN WOMEN just marry a 1st Generation Immigrant 20-25yo Lady. Also if you have a good Career & a lot of money don't marry American or 1st Gen Immigrant Women instead go to Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, or The Philippines find a 20yo bride & marry her instead also learn the native language & don't take her home to the U.S. just stay there & live the rest of your life like a king.

BTW, camp8989 Thank you for telling these men the truth they don't know it yet but you've really have saved them from their own naivety tbh I only made & account cause I read this post & I had to try & save some of these fools that actually believe in Disney fairytale movies & true love...

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Kelly34 whatever man if you aren't willing to except the true nature of women & how to attract them then that's your problem not mine...

[martyfellow]

Yes, we should thank her for telling the truth. It's just that the truth is we are dealing with groupies and gang molls, basically.

We do't LIKE such women, truthful or not!

[camp8989]

I doubt you can afford to be picky. I'm not a groupie or whatever the fuck a "bang moll" is either, by the way.

[CasaNorba]

yea like you are somewhat especial and don't have these problems

[Cheeseburgers]

"Cheeseburgers oh she'll manage to trap some pathetic beta chump in her spiders web"

Bingo. Forgot to reply to that.

"her children will be born with his beta DNA so at the same time while I don't feel sorry for her or her future chump I do feel sorry for any beta small d#ck sons she's going birth..."

Lmao

[camp8989]

YOU LOVE MAKING SHIT UP ABOUT MY LIFE, NEED I REMIND YOU THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ME, AND YOU NEVER WILL. I already said this in another comment, but I am very well educated, make my own money, and am now in a committed relationship. in fact, I have only ever been in relationships and don't sleep around, but for those that do, I'm not gonna judge them, because it's NOT MY BUSINESS. I'm sorry you losers don't get to fuck me, but get over it.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Cheeseburgers, TY For the reply. & Yes The "her children will be born with his beta DNA so at the same time while I don't feel sorry for her or her future chump I do feel sorry for any beta small d#ck sons she's going birth..." just came out of nowhere I was thinking about Halo 4, Eugenics, Selective Breeding & it made me think that if she can't get the bad boy & has to settle for less than what she could've bagged in her 20s 'cause she's now 30 & past her prime than her children are gonna have-

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

----Beta Genes from a Beta Male & I kinda felt sorry for the boys 'cause I imagined the thought of if I was them & 20years in the future & I read her comments from present day saying how if she can't bag her bad boy she'll settle for the nice guy beta chump & I though that that would be a MIND FUCK of a situation finding out your own mother thought like this & how if she marries a beta chump her sons will be less endowed & they'll read this in the future & probably go crazy. Which made me-------

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Comment like I did to show her a possible scenario where she births less than ideal sons. I wanted her to know that she needs to be more tactful in finding an Alpha Mate because settling only creates more problems for humanity's overall Gene-Pool...

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

So long story short I'm teaching her a valuable lesson through High Shock Value Scenarios that could be her future...

BTW, Yes I'm a Science Fanatic with an IQ of 100 (At least I hope so anyway! :D) So basically I'm a Dumb Jock kinda Guy who grew up playing Halo on Xbox & fell in LOVE with the endless possibilities of Genetic Engineering, who also just happens to love being a landscaper & enjoys Parkour & Freerunning on his down time.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Cheeseburgers, PS. Parkour & Freerunning isn't a Hobby/Fad/Extreme Sport/Hipster Type of Thing (I don't like Hipsters tbh...) IT'S A WAY OF LIFE! (:

PSS. Not arguing just very passionate on said subject & wanted to SHARE THE LOVE OF MY PASSION!

[Cheeseburgers]

"it made me think that if she can't get the bad boy & has to settle for less than what she could've bagged in her 20s 'cause she's now 30 & past her prime"

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's sad, really. I observe women like a zoologist observes monkeys swinging on ropes, and it's fascinating that despite this "higher level of intellect", women cannot override their primate impulses. The innumerous women I've seen in their mid-late 20s, making their final, desperate efforts to tame

[Cheeseburgers]

what simply does not want to be tamed. Failure after failure, heartbreak after heartbreak, they continue the same mistake. Not even B. F. Skinner's lab rats kept pushing the button that zapped them.

Hence, I feel sorry that they continue to falter, whilst even a simple rat can make proper adjustments.

I noticed your intent beforehand, it seemed obvious to me, ergo I never understood the down votes. Women love passionate men, QA should be paying you respect.

[camp8989]

that's probably your problem right now: you two freaks look at women like science projects in a fucking lab. there is no such thing as a fucking alpha male and a beta male, we are not wolves in a fucking pack, we are human. there are stand up guys and there are pussies, I think both of you happen to be pussies because only pussies think women can be understood as fucking science project. you're sick. I have amazing genetics, and whoever I decide to marry in the future will too, so get over it.

[Cheeseburgers]

We are animals, and we are primates.

Lashing out at us with insults because you disprove of our behavior - primate ostracism - is also what primate behavior.

[Cheeseburgers]

Disapprove*

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

QA, How am I a freak & I don't look at women like a science project I look at them like I do everything objectively. Maybe I misunderstood the type of person you are. You said earlier you date guys in a LTR serial monogamy type of way. If so good for you 'cause any real Man only seriously considers a women just like that. What I mean is if I'm in my 25-35yo Future self & I'm looking for love I'm only going to seriously consider----

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

----women who have a low # count like 3 if she's between the ages of 18-21yo, 5 if she's between the ages of 22-24yo, 7 if she's between the ages of 25-27yo, & finally 9 is she's between the ages of 28-29yo & a history of Her being the type of woman who is only ever willing to be in a LTR that flowers into love because she respects herself enough to realize that she is worth more than a booty call.----

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

----So what I'm saying is basically low # count = She is Trustworthy, Faithful, She is Valuable, She is a Prize Worthy of any TRUE MAN, She is Respectable, She knows very few Men are Worthy of Her as a LOVER both Physically & Emotionally Thus Causing Her to have an EXTREME LOW # COUNT! & a History of LTR Serial Monogamy only = She has Self-Respect, is Prideful of her Womanhood, & she has High Value of her own Self Worth, & most importantly YOU CAN TRULY TRUST HER! THIS. This is what I----

[camp8989]

why should men have the right to sleep with however many women they want but you think it's alright to put exact numbers of sexual partners depending on their ages? are you fucking kidding me? could you just read over what you just wrote? women can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, you don't get to dictate that. a woman who respects herself does with her body what she pleases and doesn't give a shit what a man tell her to do.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

----Meant by ''Any Real Man only Seriously Considers a Women just like THAT.'' So if this is the type of Woman you're than good for you. You'll be able to real in any Man you want but remember while your Past History & Looks matter so does your Personality & while many Men are willing to compromise there standards in order to find TRUE LOVE because standards are like universal rules they always have EXCEPTIONS.----

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

----& You'll find That Most of The Men you WANT are only ever going to Compromise on either Looks or Personality NEVER PAST HISTORY! & you'll find that The only Men who're Willing to Compromise on Past History will be very ugly, Short, Fat, Less-Endowed, Low Stamina, Bad in Bed, Said ''men'' will have ZERO PRIDE IN THEMSELVES & THEIR MANHOOD!----

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

---- 'Cause Real Men are only ever able to Compromise on things that don't DAMAGE THEIR PRIDE & a Women's Looks or Personality won't Damage (At least if it's not in the extreme anyways...) a REAL MANS PRIDE but her Past History MOST LIKELY WILL! & unlike your Looks or your Personality you can't change your history...

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

QA, ''women can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies'' Yes they can when did I say otherwise? ''you don't get to dictate that.'' Just like you can't dictate what a Man finds Marriageable in a Woman. Funny how that works, huh? ''woman who respects herself does with her body what she pleases and doesn't give a shit what a man tell her to do.'' (Slow Clap) Good for you. (:

[Cheeseburgers]

Man who lays lots of women = Skilled, is an impressive feat.

Woman who lays lots of men = Lack of self-control, probably has daddy issues.

Mr. Pro Traceur, some women don't understand reason. You cannot "logically" win against someone who's a slave to their biological urges.

Women have their standards, men have their standards.

No quality man wants another mans scraps.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

I know she thinks she knows more about what Men want than we do, how TF is that even Possible!?

[Cheeseburgers]

I think it's possible, if you are a student of human behavior. Humans typically overestimate their intelligence, abilities, and awareness.

She's obviously a person who acts on her animal instincts and isn't aware of her underlying motivations. Hence, you're absolutely right. It isn't possible for someone like 'her.'

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Cheeseburgers, Yes that's true it's always best to take a step back & observe people in a ''Third-Person'' kinda way & then objectively & without bias begin contemplate such things like human behavior. I do it every now & then, I guess that's why I never had too much trouble adapting to & becoming the type of Man Women can't get enough of. But don't get me wrong even I was once a naive idiot who then got Burnt HARD by some bitch I thought was ''The One'' Pfffffffffffff----

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

----I was an idiot, but after that I knew what I had to do to get what I want when I want it & I threw away all those stupid Disney Fairytale TRUE LOVE type of BS thoughts I had in my head & I adapted & I got what I wanted & while I guess I might still kinda believe in true love but my definition is FAR DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING A HOPELESS ROMANTIC WOULD CONJURE UP! That's for sure...

[Anonymous]

QA: let me first apologize on behalf of the immature guys here. As a guy I'm pretty embarrassed by them.

I also want to thank you for your honesty about a subject that most women are anything but honest about. I get the impression you actually understand why most guys are frustrated with how women go for bad boys, ignoring the good ones, then end up denying it and complaining about how guys are assholes while good guys stand by helplessly frustrated.

But I do believe you're right when you say that the good guy often gets the girl in the end.

Thanks for the 5 star question.

[camp8989]

thank you!

[Cheeseburgers]

"I have no doubt that I will end up with a "nice guy" and I can tell you with a fair amount of confidence that most girls will because no girl with self respect sticks around with a "bad boy" in less he reforms himself. "

Sorry, nice guys don't want another mans scraps.

Women who dated bad boys are usually emotionally and mentally damaged. Sometimes physically.

In translation you mean: "Just wait until the bad boys run through us, then you can have their leftovers when we want to settle down."

It doesn't work that way.

[Cheeseburgers]

"I am trying to say girls make mistakes with 'bad boys" but the good guys win out in the end."

Lmao. The translation is correct.

[SeraphenaAngel]

LOL so you can't ever date ANY women because 99% have dated before you and I promise we have all dated a bad guy. So welcome to the single's club. Since you can never date again.

[Cheeseburgers]

That figure is probably accurate within 'your' reality. Fact is, "nice girls" ("Nice guy" equivalent) indeed exist. Not all women have a... history like you and your friends.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Cheeseburgers oh she'll manage to trap some pathetic beta chump in her spiders web but at the same time the dude she traps will be so beta here's a description ''her SO will be a chubby/fat, I.Q. 120, 1in. pen!s, low stamina, doormat mentality, erectile dysfunction, bald, blind as a bat, health of a 60yo, & her children will be born with his beta DNA so at the same time while I don't feel sorry for her or her future chump I do feel sorry for any beta small d#ck sons she's going birth...

[camp8989]

What the FUCK are you on?! chill out, you sound like a psychopath. You know nothing about me, who I actually date, and who I will marry. You are disgusting.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

QA..sigh...''The Truth Hurts'' just accept it...

[camp8989]

I will NEVER and have NEVER dated anyone who calls other men "pathetic beta chump." You're the one with the problem, and you need to put down other guys to make yourself feel better. Guys like you make me sick.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

OA Yes you have he's just never said it in front of you why? Cause that's BAD GAME! & I put them down in order to help them not to make myself feel better I'm like a father guiding his son in the right direction.

[Cheeseburgers]

"being sexually frustrated really must suck. hating women because they won't fuck you and getting continuously denied by women must be very hard ... grow the fuck up and maybe you'll get lucky, but I doubt it. jacking off alone's no that sad, right?"

Lmao. So much for your "word of advice" stance.

[camp8989]

please pay attention to the first sentence that states that that is only meant for the men spewing misogynistic shit all over this thread. some guys have answered maturely, even if they disagreed, others just said hateful, immature, asinine bullshit and that update was for them.

[CasaNorba]

you best believe it doesn't work that way! you tell her man! shove a cork down this chicks throat

[Cheeseburgers]

Lol Just doing what we men do best. Shoving it down a girls throat.

[Account]

SeraphenaAngel

10 days ago

"LOL so you can't ever date ANY women because 99% have dated before you and I promise we have all dated a bad guy."

I must be an alien then. I've been with the same nice guy for years. I've never been interested in "bad" boys. They are nothing but trouble.

I don't get it. Why would any girl chase an asshole?

Cheeseburgers, sorry, I accidentally down-voted you. I meant to up-vote you. I agree with you and I have a similar opinion for guys who date manipulative bitches

[Cheeseburgers]

Account: Exactly! People are so into themselves that they fail to realize not everyone is like them. Not everyone thinks, or does the things they do.

She's the kind of girl who thinks making twerk YouTube videos and being drunk every weekend in campus bars is what every girl is about.

It's okay, thanks for telling me. Good girls do exist, and any shit talking I do on here does not apply to them.

Girls like QA is another story..

[camp8989]

are you kidding me? where on here have I said I like to upload tweaking videos and get drunk every weekend? you guys love making things up about my life, and you don't even know me. I'm very well educated, make my own money, and am now in a committed relationship. in fact, I have only ever been in relationships, I don't sleep around, but I don't judge others that do either because guess what? it's not my fucking business. sorry you can't fuck me, but get over it.

[Cheeseburgers]

I'd be lying if I said I "wouldn't" fuck you, but any average appearance minus a disease can get the D. Not saying much. I've gone through women aesthetically superior to you, not sure what to "get over."

[camp8989]

I'm a model, idiot, you have not gotten women better looking than me.

[Cheeseburgers]

Lmao. You don't have to believe it.

Anyone can be a model.

[camp8989]

I'm signed to an agency in called look, I get paid, and I get to be in school at the same time. it's great getting lucky with your genetics. go try to see you some one would pay you for your picture. now seriously, stop posting on this thread and leave me alone.

[Cheeseburgers]

Plus sized models get paid, doesn't mean they look good. Anyone can be a model, if you think modeling is solely about looks it says something about how "professional" you really are.

Leave "you" alone?

Translation: "Let me get the last word! I'm a little cry baby! Where's my mama's tiddy!?"

[Cheeseburgers]

Fret not, cry baby. I'll let you have the last word. I know it'll make you feel better.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Cheeseburgers, Hey it's Me I've updated my conversation with QA check it out & see if you agree with me. Also she's a model? lol So she puts on makeup which brings her up 2 points & then airbrushes her pictures which brings her up 3 points making her an unofficial/official 5-8/10 in The Hotness Scale. Damn no wonder she's having an identity crises lmao XD

[camp8989]

no part of my picture was airbrushed, idiot.

[diegoD]

@Account are you ugly looking woman?

[diegoD]

you have not uploaded twerking videos, but they way you speak here, saying you fuck many positions all night every night with many people makes people beleive you would do such things

[chokenGAG]

Your post made me laugh. Because you are trying to give hope to the "good guy" . lol funny and then kinda tell them that you are drawn towards the bad guy. And then are hopeful that the bad guy reforms himself. So the good guy that is reading this in hopes of hearing something hopeful just hear what they already know and still end up alone. LOL

that is funny and cruel, unintentional I am sure but still. Poor nice guys... too funny.

[nowistheonlytime]

Why would a good guy need to hear something hopeful?

My little sister is the type that has only picks bad boys,

And I wished she learned faster,

[camp8989]

if they knew this why are they complaining all over this site about losing out?

[chokenGAG]

They do not realize that it is up to them to change if they want change. Mentality of people today is to blame others for their misfortunes. Sad weak minded people!

[Cheeseburgers]

Lmao! For a second I thought her question was merely satire, not that her intentions were serious.

[martyfellow]

Exactly, GAG but you have to thank Camp 8989 for being honest here. Most women won't admit it.

[chokenGAG]

true enough that she did :),

[M_A_X]

Yes, you don't understand cause and affect. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You sound like Leela from Futurama talking about Fry. "I love his boyish charms, but I hate his childishness"

You are asking for something that doesn't exist. Either a guy cares about you, or he doesn't. If he doesn't fawn over you or pay any attention to you, it's because he is paying that attention to other women.

Also, Fuck you, kindly. I don't hate women. I hate the way that a lot of women act, and a lot of the things they do. I'm sorry, but people can call you out on your bullshit and not be sexist

[camp8989]

lol "I don't hate women" but wait, you happen to hate how women act and what women do? so go on, keep telling yourself you don't hate women, and keep wondering why you're not getting laid.

[M_A_X]

Yeah, I am allowed to hate things that most women do. I can like women, and not like the way that most women act.

Fun Fact : You can disagree with someone, and how they act without hating them, or their race/gender

[M_A_X]

Also, not worried about getting laid, bro. You go ahead and keep thinking I'm as petty as you are tho

[diegoD]

so why is he not getting laid? , you are not even helping in terms of giving advice. tell me something I don't frigging know. you are just saying basically oh yea I have let the bad boys bang me, but not nice guys. even though they keep manipulating and lying, I will still choose them, and some day when they have fucked me enough then I will go for a nice guy. Thats exactly what they hate to hear and what they already know? have you ever been banged or dated a nice guy? if so how did it happened or what improvements can readers do? they dont want to hear how you have been fucked or are attracted to " bad boys" give rea l advice

[M_A_X]

@diegoD I'm getting married to a French/Vietnamese woman, from France. This woman was just a toxic fool, hoping to make others look like bigots for pointing out her moral failings

[TMWLOP]

This question got a lot of hate, your advice is well actually a little over used, I don't really care weither I'm a "bad boy" or a "good guy" as long as the person I like sees me for who I am, and my father was a bad boy and when I needed fine the most he changed and stepped up to help me so ya "bad boys" can change, its not weither their change or no, its if you both can accept the changes each of you goes through, and if you can accept that then you'll find a really amazing person. Well like you said everyone will find someone, just a matter of time and when your really not looking at all.

[camp8989]

this is good, thanks!

[XRabbitHeartX]

Some girls like bad boys, some girls like nice guys. Some guys like slutty girls, some guys don't. It all comes down to preference. I hope some guys realize that not ALL girls like bad boys. I liked bad boys when I was like 13. I stopped the second I realized that they'd bring more harm than good. I now look for intelligent guys who show respect, loyalty and kindness. Plenty of girls just go through a phase where bad boys are appealing but then they stop and eventually progress to nice guys. Same as with how some guys go through experimental phases at college but then eventually themselves also wise up and mature and find the nice girl to settle down with. People go through phases, it's normal and not a big deal.

[evenlift]

Sorry but that is a cruel false equivalence. Being 'slutty' has nothing to do with being bad. No wonder girls are still afraid to enjoy their sexuality when people like you imply that being sexual makes a girl bad.

[XRabbitHeartX]

When did I do that? I don't care about what other people do in their private lives. I was simply stating a fact that each person finds different attributes likable. Often bad boys are like it or not, major players and very promiscuous more than often. Hence why I drew the correlation from. I was not implying slutty girls are bad. Just like a bad boy is not necessarily "bad" unless his personality comes with with other unfavorable attributes.

[XRabbitHeartX]

Please don't jump to conclusion without making sure of your facts.

[XRabbitHeartX]

And of course it all comes down to your definition of a slutty girl. I see a slutty girl as a girl who will have sex with anyone, whether they are taken or not and would cheat on her own partner to for sex. A lot of other people share this opinion. I don't see what's good about that at all. If we are just talking about a girl who enjoys sex, when did I say that it makes her slutty?

[martyfellow]

So even though you admit there's no such thing as a 'refored' bad boy, you'll always be looking for one.

This is one of the rare honest statements from the girls on this subject...

But let's drop th euphemisms. By 'exciting' you mean, he spends a lot of money on you.

[camp8989]

Wow, I make my own money, thank you very much. By exciting I meant spontaneous, adventurous, outgoing, etc. Man, you guys are quick to judge.

[Cheeseburgers]

No, she means mentally stimulating. Emotionally stimulating events that induce her brain with neurochemicals. It's addicting, like primates in tobacco addiction experiments.

[camp8989]

thanks cheeseburgers, I like your name, and I like your primate experiment example, and I am totally into emotional and mental stimulation.

[martyfellow]

'Sptaneous, outoing..' A lot of guys are that. The 'bad' guys are the ones who treat women with contempt because they know if they spend money on them they can have whatever they want...

[martyfellow]

You were right the first time cheese..your answer above is right on.

h

Human females are't much into instinctive behavior, it's all 'learned' from moms who tell the, 'don't see yourself short.'

[martyfellow]

Right. Don Trump and Henry Kissinger give women emotional stimulation...chuckle..

[Cheeseburgers]

I meant less in regards to the simple enjoyment life has to offer, but more so in regards to being a slave to your biological urges.

In hindsight, a more accurate comparison would be B. F. Skinner's behavior modification experiment in rats.

[Cheeseburgers]

lawlzzz

[Anonymous]

And I would offer advice of my own that contradicts yours: people think nothing of telling another person "Oh, you'll find someone" when you never seem to hear the advice of "learn to live on your own and be happy that way. Learn not to seek a relationship to validate your existence and fill some kind of void inside yourself. Learn to direct yourself towards different areas of your life, rather than focusing on just this one as if it will kill you if you are single".

So no, I would say that telling these guys on here that someone will eventually come around is actually bad advice, especially considering the type of guys that show up on this site to begin with. Many need exactly what I mentioned above- not someone telling them to just bide their time.

[confugirl]

Exactly. Wanting a relationship to fill a void can only end badly. We all want a complete, emotionally stable person to have a relationship with. But these guys somehow expect such a girl to fall for them when they're incomplete persons themselves. No one can expect something they're not willing to offer. If a girl can offer you more than you can offer her, or the other way around, then there will be no relationship between you two.

[Anonymous]

I also had a 'good guy' boyfriend angry at me cause I made him wait with sex for a month and let this 'bad boy' fuck me on a first date. I think he should be happy that I stay with him not the other one. But apparently he feels like he has to work hard and be patient and good to me to get rewarded while this other guy got to fuck me for free and that's a big thing for guys, that we women don't get and are responsible for. On the other hand, I can't help feeling very sexually attracted to that dominant guy and less to the submissive one. That's my nature and that of most women. They say alpha 'fucks, beta bucks' and I think that's kinda sad but true.

[Koldhearted]

I'd rather be single than deal with something like that

[Cheeseburgers]

Lmao. He shouldn't have been happy. He should have respected himself and got a different woman.

Unless that was the outcome?

[Lafemmedeschats]

I highly disagree with everything you've said and find it morally questionable.

[Opinion Owner]

Of course this is my opinion, my feelings and experiences and doesn't count for everyone. But I am BY FAR not the only one with these thoughts and feelings.

[camp8989]

ProTraceurDGDJ: STOP SPREADING YOUR SICK ASS SHIT ON MY POST

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

QA You know you love it when I rebel like this sexy! (;

[Account]

I am 90% there is a guy hidden behind the anonymous "woman". Are you having a gender identity crisis?

[diegoD]

did you eventually let the good guy fuck you? can you be more specific on how or what the " bad boy" did to bang you so quickly? how was he dominant? physically, or acting, what did that guy say? .
Who was physically better looking? that's the one you should have banged first

[evenlift]

LOL. Who's to say these nice guys want to stick around waiting for you and other girls to change your minds?

I feel sorry for nice guys. They are feminized chumps.

In fact, I take it back. Nice guys will stick around waiting for you, because they're just that pathetic.

[camp8989]

I never said anything about waiting. I was simply trying to explain the way I felt about how young naive girls are really attracted to "bad boys" but they marry the "good boys." The same thing could be said about guys when it comes to girls: they want to fuck the hot ones but they want a girl next door to marry.

[evenlift]

What has hotness got to do with badness? A girl can be hot and nice, ugly and nice, hot and bad, or ugly and bad.

[evenlift]

It's necessarily implied by what you said that you expect nice guys to stick around waiting for girls to 'come to their senses'. Luckily for you, they will be so appreciative, like some pathetic, neglected dog who's so happy to be receiving attention from his owner.

[Cheeseburgers]

Great post.

[evenlift]

Women are really afraid of men's true feelings. Women don't get to hear men's true feelings offline because the betas are afraid of offending women and the alphas have no need for emotional support from women.

Online, though, the true feelings come out, and women are shocked. Society has always been gynocentric, but only since the birth of feminism, has it become misandristic too. Is it really that hard to understand why men are angry? After all, aren't women just as intelligent as men and...

[evenlift]

...more empathetic with, and sympathetic to, other people's emotions? That's what we keep being told, and yet women are pushed to the point of hysteria by the shock of hearing what men truly think.

[camp8989]

are you fucking delusional? women have been oppressed by men for thousands of years and only got the right to vote in America in 1920. women were treated as property, as less than, and inferior, and in some countries like China and India are killed before they take their first breath simply because they ARE women. men have no right to hate women in less they're just misogynistic idiots with mommy issues. I don't think women should hate men, but please don't fucking forget what men have done.

[evenlift]

Again with the anger, huh?

If you actually look at history, you'll see that property ownership was the main concern in the granting of suffrage. The reason that it's only in the last century or so that the vote was granted to women (and to working-class men), which you either seem to forget or didn't know in the first place) is that property ownership was not common. Until the Industrial Revolution (which was created by men), people led miserable lives of poverty and stupidity. It was...

[evenlift]

...technological and scientific progress that allowed men and women to become wealthier and better educated. Even today many people seem far too uneducated and stupid to exercise the vote properly. Back then, it was even worse, but thanks to the Industrial Revolution it was a great improvement.

You should also bear in mind that democracy is not necessary for liberty. In fact, democracy can destroy liberty, as numerous examples in America and abroad show. Three wolves and one sheep voting on...

[evenlift]

...what to have for dinner: that’s democracy.



Women were not oppressed by men. Men, women and children were oppressed (in different ways) by the utter poverty and scientific ignorance that racked the human race until things began to improve in the eighteenth century.

[ColorfullyDone]

Honestly, you're awesome. I totally agree with everything you are saying and I think some of these men really needed to read this. I will repeat, you are awesome. Wanted to add you as a friend, but you don't allow request, so add me if you'd like. Otherwise, keep being awesome :)

[ColorfullyDone]

Screw the down votes. You just don't like hearing the truth. Bad boys are more attractive, nice guys finish last originally, but will finish first in the long run. But it will be a long hard road

[camp8989]

you can add me as a friend now, and thanks for thinking I'm awesome and thank you so much for understanding.

[camp8989]

why do you need to attempt to put him down for no reason? you sound like the pathetic one.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

QA I put him down because it's true he is pathetic he needs to change his life for the better not accept the hand fate dealt him because the hand fate dealt him is only in his mind, the reality he accepts is not the only reality he can take & to see another man just silently accept such a pathetic hand in life & be content with it literally infuriates me. He needs to STEP UP & BE A MAN aka Workout, Bodybuild, Learn GAME then hit the club scene, Train in MMA, & find a Physical Passion in LIFE!

[camp8989]

for the record, I hate guys who spend all their time at a stupid gym, I don't fall for guys who think they have "game", and I don't go to clubs because they're sleazy and I don't have time for that. Guys like him will get quality women, guys like you are going to get bimbos. Looking like a muscle head and hitting the "club scene" is very, very pathetic. I date men with talent, creativity, and passion for their careers and their families, not the fucking gym.

[Nochielo]

I know you post this with the best intentions in mind, and with good intentions of my own, I ask that you ponder your wording a little better because it reads a lot like "bad guys will get the girls first, they will have their fun and when the girls' patience is spent, they'll settle for you. Isn't that great?". Again, I'm not trying to be hostile, but I used to be one of the "good guys" and that is how it reads like. Consider an update or this will quickly come crashing down.

[camp8989]

I'm sorry, did I ever use the word "settle"?

[Nochielo]

I understand what you mean. I said that is how it reads like. Just word it better to avoid the onslaught of negative responses.

[nowistheonlytime]

No, it reads like someone smarter for the experience,

[Nochielo]

I'm afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say, fella.

[nowistheonlytime]

Bad guys are good to party with,

Not live with,

[camp8989]

thank you!

[Nochielo]

You see, camp8989? It makes much more sense now when you word it better.

[SeraphenaAngel]

I love these answers ! First off let me state that when we date we are ALL dating someone's ex. Unless you are dating a virgin that has never had one date you are probably dating someone who has been with a bad guy and has some baggage. It's called life. So for all you men complaining about getting the bad guys "seconds" then don't date anymore ! Cause everyone you date has ex's and a past and you are getting their baggage. Think before you post.

[Kelly34]

Most the guys posting that are guys who don't have girlfriends and never have anyway, why do you think they are so bitter about the idea that someone they see as worse than themselves got to have what they cannot have?

[diegoD]

@Kelly34 so you are one of the manipulative assholes right? why dont you give a word of advice

[Phoenix98]

Thanks for the advice but its not needed I have always been a nice guy a gentleman and respectful that will never change regardless. Bad boys are like drugs in the sense that they give you a temporary high, excitement but once the dust settles and they get out of your system you see them for what they really are.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

YOU ARE 20yo YOU HAVE SO MUCH TIME LEFT TO ENJOY THIS EARTH & YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE BEST YEARS OF YOUR LIFE LIKE A BETA B!TCH BOI, WHY!? Seriously go out & discover how much life has to offer. Workout, Bodybuild, Learn Game & then hit the club scene, Learn a Martial Art, find a physical passion in life & NEVER EVAH MARRY A REFORMED SLOOT! How is such a simple thing like this so hard for you to understand?

[camp8989]

you should do the exact opposite of everything "protraceurDGDJ" says if you want to attract girls. I mean, be in shape, but muscle heads are disgusting. guys who go to clubs are sleazy. and anyone who calls some one else a "beta bitch boo" and "sloot" is a jackass. and what the fuck does martial arts have to do with being a good guy? go fuck yourself, ProtraceurDGDJ.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

You don't need to be a muscle head but you do need to look like Damian Walters look him up on YouTube he's a Parkour & Freerunning GOD & I swear someday I'M GOING TO SURPASS HIM! Also yes you should go to the night clubs & have tons of sex after all you need to make up for all those years of wasting your life away & to gain some much needed exp. & ignore the sleazy part & jackass part of what she just said cause as long as you reform from a bad boy to a good guy in the future QA will FORGIVE U

[camp8989]

my idea of a bad boy: a rockstar who doesn't give a shit about fame, an artist that creates provocative and groundbreaking work, a writer who doesn't doesn't care about being on the national best seller list. Some one with confidence, integrity, and maybe a few bad habits here and there because he doesn't give a shit what people think. He wouldn't be caught dead in a fucking club full of desperate losers dropping roofies in girls drinks because its the only way they can get laid.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Phoenix98 You just heard what she thinks a bad boy is so get to it. Also still do what I said but just add in the 1/3 types & yes go to night clubs have tons of sex you need the exp. & then when you got the exp. stop going to the club & start doing 1/3 bad boy things she just said & always act like a CONFIDANT MAN AKA JERK! (:

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

Also ''and maybe a few bad habits here and there because he doesn't give a shit what people think.'' Take up Martial Arts and fight strangers, riot a lot & be a Jerk/douche, smoke weed, & other sh!t like this. Be an asshole to people who deserve it & don't take shit from nobody.

See I'm just on a roll right now!

[camp8989]

your whole description of what I think bad habits are is absolutely ridiculous. I mean habits that make people human, make them real, everyone makes mistakes. I like people who experiment with their lives and stray out of their comfort bubble. Stop putting fucking words in my mouth, I'm not the girl you think I am. Even if you followed your weird ass 1/3 this 1/3 that formula I would never in a million years consider dating you,

By the way, you spelled confident wrong.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

QA Look I don't care what kind of person you are. Right now I'm not trying to help you but him half this stuff I'm telling him to do is not to attract you but to save him. Like when I tell him to go clubbing & learn game, not for you but for him. & when I tell him to find a physical passion in life I'm mean for him to do something active that makes him feel alive like surfing, skydiving, bungee jumping, other types of extreme sports, MOST RECOMMENDED IS PARKOUR & FREERUNNING! So yea...

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

--THIS IS FOR HIM TO BE THE BEST MAN HE CAN POSSIBLY BE! NOT TO MAKE HIM NICE GUY HUSBAND MATERIAL! OK so back to what I was saying YOU SHOULD DO PARKOUR & FREERUNNING 'cause I've never felt so free like I do when I do Parkour & Freerunning it makes you feel so free like you have wings & that the whole world is your playground you should do this it would make you much more confident in your self as well as liberate you from your chains (aka your body)---

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

--Because remember for Traceurs of Parkour Gravity really is just a theory. So & like my username says DGDJ AKA - DREAMS are The GOAL, DEDICATION is The JOURNEY! Take this to heart & change yourself for THE BETTER!

[Phoenix98]

Sorry for not responding until now but just so you know I have been body building for over 5 years I am getting certified in personal training. I have trained in over three martial arts I am a writer a poet and a oil painter I see no need to waste time going to clubs. And the only purpose for me dating is to find a wife, marry and raise a family I don't need to know what life has to offer because I have always known what I want to take from it and I already

[Phoenix98]

And I am what I am a gentlemen a respectable guy and a nice I will never change nor do I want to, to be the best man I can be is to not change myself according to what other people and life demands. I am already living my dreams being an apprentice to a master painter of the dutch masters and becoming a personal trainer as well as giving myself the body I have always wanted. We each have our own path to take if you want to go clubbing and waste time that's fine but that's not me.

[CasaNorba]

THE DAMN TRUTH! you tell her man!

[Phoenix98]

Lol

[ironeddie]

Don't take it personally, it's a piece of advice that is very true. But unfortunately a lot of these guys are in the "I deserve this and that" mode. One day they will figure out it's "I have to work for what I want"

I equate it to when a mother tries to give their 13 year old a bit of advice. The kid won't take it and think "You're stupid. What do you know".

Fast forward 12 years and the kid realizes mom was right.

[Kelly34]

In what way can you 'work' to get a girlfriend/partner?

[ironeddie]

Ask her out. If she says no, ask another and another...1 will say yes.

This is written very sarcastically but the message is there

link

[Kelly34]

Its a common misconception that if you just ask out more girls you'll automatically do better. I approached around 600 women in a 3 month period and didn't get a single date, let alone a girlfriend. If your odds are effectively 0 it won't matter how many times you play them.

[ironeddie]

O for 600? First I don't believe that 600 number for a second. That would be approx 7 women a day. But lets say it was 1/2 of that. I feel there is something you need to work on. The desperation that you show is a good place to start. What are you doing? Asking every random woman you see?

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

True all Men have to earn the right to have a Women like a True Alpha but no Man should ever settle for a Reformed Sloot to do so is utterly pathetic & selfish...

[Kelly34]

Why is it so hard to beleive? You do realize that over half the women I approached rejected my approach within 30 seconds or so? Furthermore in a large metropolitan area (central london) there is effectively an unlimited number of women. Its more than possible to approach 7 women an hour, let alone 7 women a day.

One second you say hitting on more girls is the answer then hitting on lots of girls is desperation, thought I needed to work harder? Lmfao.

[Kelly34]

Although I should admit saying I approached 600 women is a bit disingenuous, I actually approached around 350 and messaged a further 250 on a couple of online dating sites. Essentially my schedule was to message 4 girls a day on online dating (I gave it up before the end of the 3 months as I got literally nowhere with it), I'd approach 3-5 women every Tuesday and Thursday (as I was in town to go to the gym), another 5 or so each Friday night when I would be out with friends and then...

[Kelly34]

... would go to central London every Saturday specifically to approach girls, averaging around 20 each time. So I'm sure you can see over 3 months its easy to build up over 600 attempts if you put your mind to it and live in the right area. I did it while working full time even.

[ironeddie]

I realize it is possible to hit on 7 woman in a day. I said I don't believe you did. Asking woman that you know, in a respectable way will eventually get a positive result. You are not working for it. Asking every woman you see, IS desperation. Or possibly you're asking in a way you KNOW they will not accept, just to prove a point. Women are not stupid. They can sense a guy who is low in confidence/self esteem or is desperate a mile away. Their choice is not that difficult.

[ironeddie]

How many of these women did you use basically the same approach with? On the dating site for example. There are a lot of people, male and female, who write a "first approach" they think is good. then will copy and paste it into the message box of every person they contact. With dating sites for every message you send to a woman. That same woman will get 20-30 other messages. And of those they MAY reply to one or two. They know that they will get messages everyday...

[ironeddie]

They can and do, sit back and wait until they are really intrigued by someone.

Lets say you do make contact with the women at the bar. Are you changing up the approach for each one? Maybe you are. If everyone of them are still shooting you down. Either your approach is really lame. Or they are sensing the esteem/desperation issues.

The going out every Saturday specifically to approach girls. WOW I can't put into words how sad that sounds...

[ironeddie]

So you approach 600 women. You get shot down 600 times. What do these 600 attempts have in common? You. What are you doing wrong? Is it your words? Personality? Confidence? Clothes? You know what you can do? I know it's not easy. But ask. In a bar for example. You approach, get turned down. Later, not right away. Ask that woman why she turned you down? You'll get a number of different responses. But you will also get the same response at times...

[ironeddie]

That or those responses are what you have to WORK on. That is your starting point. There is no guarantee that will make things completely different. You get shot down the next time, ask again You will see patterns. Getting shot down 600 times every 3 months is very unusual. Working for it is not just hitting on every woman you see. It's fixing the problems as well.

[Kelly34]

Its my looks that are the problem. Since when I sent out those copy and paste messages from fake profiles using pictures of good looking guys (ie changing that one variable) suddenly they started replying and giving out there numbers. Enlighten me how I 'work' on a recessed jaw and bit nose?

And lets be real, earlier you basically suggested hitting on woman after woman until one says yes.

[ironeddie]

Yes I did suggest that. And if you read the link I posted "work for it also includes your approach/technique. Obviously in your case I was wrong. You will not get a date. It has nothing to do with your looks, or your confidence or clothes. It's your attitude. I have no doubt in my mind, after reading your responses and seeing that "which girl is most attractive" poll thread. Complete with photos stolen from a dating site...

[ironeddie]

There is no doubt in my mind you have convinced yourself no-one will date you. And now are setting out to prove this to everyone you can. You're throwing yourself the biggest pity party I've ever seen. You've kicked the doors open and your screaming at the top of your lungs "I'M A LOSER". Congratulations you won. One last suggestion. Get help. Get books on "self talk", go to a therapist, counsellor whatever. You need to work on your mental image of yourself

[Kelly34]

More advice eh? On my third therapist in the last 2 years, if you compare my answers/questions now to the ones a year ago, they are more negative now. So it seems that isn't the magic answer either.

I don't see how its my 'attitude' that causes girls to say no to going out with me, since they cannot read my mind and do not know its me that posts here.

[Kelly34]

And yes, I am a loser. What do you expect me to do? Sit quietly in the corner? Pretend I'm not? People here don't like dealing with me, or even interacting with me, for the exact reasons they don't in real life. Its obvious I'm at the bottom of the pile and associating with me is only ever going to drag them down.

[ironeddie]

They don't have to read your mind. Your negative, woe is me attitude/personality/demeanor/presence/actions/words/thoughts is/are oozing out of every pore of your body. I'm not saying this to be mean or upset you or make you mad. I'm thousands of miles from you and the message is coming through loud and clear. Believe me someone who is 10 feet from you will pick up on it. This will be my last comment to you regarding this. I'm done. TTYL.

[Kelly34]

Lmfao. Okay then. Girls must be psychic. Glad we've settled that.

[Lafemmedeschats]

These kinds of guy are emotionally hurt and underdeveloped. They can't accept reality and their fear of being alone makes them angry. It's best to let them figure out how life goes on their own.

[camp8989]

bingo.

[diegoD]

what the hell is emotionally under/overdeveloped? the rant was empty in substance. There was zero advice.

[diegoD]

fuck you

[yaddayaddayadda02]

This post is classic. Thank you QA for your honesty. Any time I doubt 'Alpha fucks, beta bucks' something comes along to reinforce it. For all the single guys, I hope they read this question and believe it as truth and conduct themselves accordingly.

[yaddayaddayadda02]

I wish someone had sat me down at 16 and explained all this to me. Seriously.

[Jsonason]

I think the bad guy good guy division is a bit over used. In reality I think there's just the forward guys and the withdrawn ones. If you have no confidence in yourself and never take initiative you got the odds stacked against you. Being confident and forward doesn't make you an asshole though. Being nice and being straight forward and outgoing aren't mutually exclusive. Nice guys, stop wallowing in pity, go out there and *show* the ladies that you are nice guys worth being with.

[Kelly34]

Oh yeah I'm young and everything will work out. I guess I'll just put up with getting none while that bad boy rails my future wife. After all I'll probably get to pay to raise his children so whose winning really? Oh yeah, him.

[Kelly34]

Oh and just to clear this up before anyone says anything this was a joke. I don't think there is any divide between nice guys and bad boys. I don't think my inability to get a girlfriend is anything to do with being nice. I think the divide in which men get laid is actually between good looking guys and ugly guys. Self proclaimed nice guys are just ugly guys in denial.

[Cheeseburgers]

Many truths to this statement. I know a bad bad whose the real deal, had sex with hundreds (Plural) of women.

Told me this woman's husband is raising a little girl who is actually his. The husband has no idea, of course.

He also cheated on his ex wife well over a hundred times, and is currently cheating on his fiance.

Girls like QA are hilarious. Constantly trying to tame what cannot be tamed. After numerous sexual partners and events of mental trauma, they expect a good guy like you to

[Cheeseburgers]

value what is no longer valuable.

[Kelly34]

I love how you've gone from giving advice to throwing out insults. You mad that your advice is shit?

[CasaNorba]

hey! to be honest, I'm proud that I don't get that much action. I mean not only am I not ready for a real relationship but I think women are nothing but trouble. women will only open up to a man if they know they are gonna get something out of that man whether is money, favor, etc. so to me all women are either gold diggers or hookers one way or another. so I enjoy and appreciate my loneliness. I don't need to be another Adam and let just another Eve come in a fuck it all up for me

[CasaNorba]

@ your second update up.

Yes it is up to women. Cause if it was up to us to decide who we want to fuck.it will automatically make us rapists. Now please stop trying to contradict us. The more you do this the more we know you are just trying instigate

[Dandeus]

Well intentioned comments, but trying to explain anything to a bitter nice guy is a waste of time. They just like to wallow in their self pity and blame bad boys and dumb girls for their inability to be interesting.

[martyfellow]

Oh, we get it, Dandy, we just do't LIKE this sort of female behavior. Any reason why we SHOULD?

[diegoD]

she is not even giving any advice, and saying have some hope

[AngelicHuman]

I am 26 years old and I have NEVER had sex before in my life, not even once, nor kissed a girl or even held hands! Unfortunately, sex before marriage is NOT allowed in the Egyptian culture. Hahaha!

Thank you so much for your kind support! You are such a good girl and you make me feel so good inside! Wishing you all the best!

With my best regards.

[camp8989]

Thank you, you're very sweet and I respect your culture.

[Anonymous]

I drink daily and have lots of money and probably std's. Wanna date?

[camp8989]

hey, same! we make a perfect match!

[Opinion Owner]

link

[camp8989]

haha oh my god soulmate

[Opinion Owner]

Lets name our first born Hannibal!

[Opinion Owner]

Still more updates my dear soul mate? Who cares about these hateful fucktards. Ask a question like...Why is that everyone wants to be with camp89 and why is it that everyone wants her autograph etc etc and etc

[camp8989]

Thank you, my one and only. You probably get 10x the ladies these guys do. What's really funny too is some of them are literally writing me essays. they just can't get enough of me.

[Opinion Owner]

Hahaha they have so much time in their parent's basements to express their love and hatred towards you and anyone with a vajayjay :)

[Anonymous]

im not trying to be mean to you here, but you seem like the typical girl who doesn't know what she wants, probably because you can get anyone

[camp8989]

how is it that I can get anyone? you're categorizing me but you don't even know me.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

Fuck these niggas. They'll never change. They enjoy being miserable. Let them wallow in their own sea of jealousy and sexual frustration.

[lv4lv]

So long short - your advice is for good guys to reform to a bad guy, then re-reform to a good guy again. What.

[ironeddie]

WOW. Did you actually read what she wrote? Or only the words you wanted?

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

lv4lv Pretty much at least that's what I got out of it anyway. Also even if her advice was something else it doesn't really matter because the test of a true mans character is determined by things like this. How these men react will determine if they are REAL MEN or just Pathetic Beta Bois!

[yawst]

Hey lady, I'm hot, sexy and exciting and if we get in a relationship you're not going to be important to me, but you know you still want me ;).

[yawst]

just to be clear I didn't want to ridicule you I was just trying to make fun of the situation. I appreciate your thread I feel no ill will towards you.

[camp8989]

lol nice save

[Anonymous]

Any girl who dates lots of "bad boys" is just plain stupid. You need to learn form your mistakes, so I guess one when you are young is OK, but not lots. I would actually be quite repulsed by a girl who had dated lots of "bad boys"

[diegoD]

especially if they complain like the question asker

[thissitesucks]

So you're looking for a project guy?

[thissitesucks]

Your status still doesn't answer my question. You're looking for a project guy?

[thissitesucks]

Also, I might be a little more apt to believing someone who doesn't have their profile set on private. Makes me think she's hiding something specific, or...a liar

[camp8989]

did you know the word private also refers to the word privacy as in I want my privacy? and what the fuck would I be lying about?

[thissitesucks]

Private IS privacy I knew that...you might be hiding something, I don't know what, but it implies you are

[camp8989]

do you not understand people who like privacy? seriously? and no, I'm not looking for a "project guy."

[thissitesucks]

"I'm looking for a reformed guy/guy to reform". Yes, you're looking for a project guy...and yes, I get that, but I don't really trust people on here who have their profiles set to private it means they're hiding something, and more likely to lie and or troll, as you're doing here

[camp8989]

"bad boys" can grow up and become good, and they do it all on their own. There is no evidence of me lying about anything, you need to chill out because you sound really insecure and bitter.

[thissitesucks]

Nope, they can't

[thissitesucks]

And yes I believe you're lying and hiding something. I'm not bitter or insecure. I'm actually pretty happy with myself. I don't like you. Bye bye

[Anonymous]

Girls treat me like crap, and it's not right... I am smart and unique and handsome and I am compassionate.. :(

[Opinion Owner]

Also it won't let me send you a friend request

[ironeddie]

You're right it's not right. But the one's with the real problem are the women. and until they figure it out nothing will ever change. But on the plus side they do eventually figure it out. It's said females mature faster than males. But do they?

[Opinion Owner]

Doubtful psh

What kind of law btw?

[feelsbadmang]

Does this apply to ugly girls too?

[Kelly34]

Ugly girls have plenty of options at all stages of their lives. Even obese women are more in demand than average men.

[feelsbadmang]

you obviously have never met a girl as ugly as me in both looks and personality

[Anonymous]

lol wow you really hit a nerve.

[ProTraceurDGDJ]

The Truth always Hurts.