What a load of shit. All I read was "Blah blah blah, MGTOW is stupid, you should just accept paying alimony and child support and worry about raising stronger daughters." [during the 4 times you get to see your kid in a month].
Why only DAUGTERS, Why only Women?
Me me me, is a constant theme with these Feminists types.
As far as the equal pay deal, what lots of people don't realize is that if you give Women higher wages they will always end up seeking Men with more resources. This is called Hypergamy, it's a real thing. You'll end up having the majority of the female population aspiring to marry and reproduce with a handful of rich guys. Wait... It's pretty much that way now :/
What a biased overview of what is essentially a reactionary movement to unfair divorce and property laws. Yes there's some bitterness there, when a woman can (and has) kicked a man out of his house because she's board of him. And used the state to do it, of course there is going to be backlash.
This is a scenario that has happened to quite a few men, they come home from work to find police there, they tell him he has a half hour to get his stuff and may not contact his wife as she's filed a restraining order against him. As far as he knows there relationship was fine. He still has to pay the mortgage but can not live there, etc etc. Karen Straughan has stated that this scenario is one of the key ways that people find her... it's not a rare phenomenon.
It's worth remembering that anger is a legitimate response to injustice. A lot of people are fast to point out that some MGTOW are just angry, but they never stop to actually find out what happened to that man. Maybe the government took his children away from him because his wife made a false accusation of child abuse, just to punish him. Or she takes the child support payments he's forced to pay, and then spends it on new shoes.
It's really rare that people get angry for literally no reason.
The take is not in opposition to all of MGTOWs grievances. Only their disrespect of women, their refusal to realize that some feminist ideas (equal pay) actually advance their cause, and the stupidity of insulting others which limits the expansion of your ideas to new people
This is what you're not getting though. MGTOW isn't a "movement" with a "cause" which they require some army of other MGTOWs to "advance". I said this in my other post, that MGTOW is a personal philosophy the purpose of which is protecting male sovereignty.
This is the BEAUTY of MGTOW, is that you (or anyone else) do not need to recognize it, or be convinced by it, for it to work. If there's a toxic instution like say child/family courts, and they favour women (which they do about 90% of all cases) then either:
1) You can fight that, create a movement (MRAs) appeal to people, spread ideas, recruit allies, create awareness, raise consciousness of people, lobby for laws etc. All of this relies on other people being convinced by your arguments and then making sweeping changes to society and to these institutions.
OR
2) You can simply not have children and avoid the pitfalls of that institution, which is basically what MGTOWs are doing.
@Frosteh as daughter who had the best father and wouldn't leave his side for a second i remember crying constantly when the police came and made him leave or when my mother just kicked him out. and the hundreds of times she screamed for hours on end, threatening to do so. i totally understand and feel terrible for the kids who don't get to have the joy of having their loving father in their lives. i can't imagine it.
the thing that i've come to realize is that some men, just like some women, are bad to their kids or don't want to be in their lives. all i hear from men about this kind of men is that they are assholes and it's a shame. unfortunately there are a LOT of assholes.
@COCOCHANEL That's really awful, I'm sorry you had to go through that, no one should have to experience what you did. My father had a hard time seeing me and my siblings when we were young, it's incredibly important both parents are involved with the raising of children and for the government to treat men like wallets and expect them to do nothing put pay for the children and never be able to see them, it's doing a huge amount of harm to society.
@COCOCHANEL I too am really sorry to hear that you went through that with your mother and father. In regards to there are assholes out there, i agree and condemn them. However i believe that 90% of allegations during the divorce process is motivated to gain an advantage in a bitter custody battle. Usually the man is asking for nothing more than to spend weekends with his kids while the spurned woman just wants to hurt her ex partner by denying him the love and time with his child. The laws in society enable women to do this but more importantly the community endorses this behaviour, as the man deserved what he has coming to him. MGTOW is not about rejecting women its about rejecting the community that endorses systematic discrimination against men and children to humour a bitter woman.
@burpzzzzz I'm confused, when the state backs the behavior and it's a matter of law. Why is it the guys fault? What is he supposed to do, break into his own home?
Men are idiots allowing women to take over men. Men and women don't thrive with competition. Relationships thrive in supporting each other but it's clear that's not what women are doing. Anyways all I can do is guide my nieces and fuck every else who is too brain washed to know what to do.
I think most MGTOW are basically guys who realize old dating models are gone but still want them. They aren't letting go of their view of the world even though it was a lie.
If they really swallowed the red pill they'd be PUA not celibate.
The more "real" mgtow are divorced guys who just have no plans to date ever again. Most of them in that camp probably have lower sex drives and are genuine about it.
MGTOWs aren't necessarily celibate. Some have girlfriends, or have friends with benefits, or see professional sex workers.
Not all men want to manipulate or use women, a lot of the PUA teachings are basically how to manipulate women into getting sex. Not all men are after just sex.
This is false info. Girls do not buy into this. I am a mgtow and I don't hate women. I chose this path because I love the single life. The purpose of mgtow is to support men who have decided that they don't want a relationship or marriage because either of the court system on divorces, bad relationship in the past, or any other reason that has had a negative impact on their lives as far as relationships go. Because of most men going mgtow they are much happier with their lives and some even became very successful. Unfortunately most men who became mgtow are just using mgtow as an excuse to hate on women because of feminists, but that was not the original intent for mgtow. Hopefully this clears up some misunderstandings. Have a nice day.
I've always been a complementarian. Men and women will never be equal in every category, because they simply weren't meant to be identical in every single way. In which case, men should appreciate what nature and nature's God intended for them to be, and women should embrace their feminimity. And where there is a sameness, it should be equally respected.
A woman can't chop wood as efficiently as a man. So what? If she's a better debater on a debate team, then by all means. Men generally speaking cannot learn to sew as well as women. But make up for it in generally being better at driving. But if attacked, a man can do a lot of damage by driving bad on purpose. And a woman with skill with a needle can do a lot of damage where it counts.
As for what I do for a hobby: I'd love to work with a woman who is equally talented and ambitious. If we could agree on a common project, and stay organized, it could lead to some sweet webcomic or indie film magic.
I am eschewing marriage altogether on the basis of the legal environment being too hostile for men.
Would you risk 50+% of all your current and future wealth on any other state-sanctioned and court enforced contract that grants the other party rights to abandon you at any time and for any reason and then leaves you with no recourse whatsoever?
No?
Then why the hell would anyone do that just for marriage?
Marriage has to be looked at like a contract, because that is exactly what it is. Look at the terms of this contract that are offered to men, then ask yourself if they would be acceptable in any other legal circumstance such as a business deal, lease, house purchase or car loan. This reveals it for the scam it is.
it is not the best thing, mindlessly hating on people, either feminists or their male equivalent, and generalising them and wishing for their extinction. both waves have managed to make some good points. society as a constitution as well as the genders aren't all that saintful. they have their drawbacks and manipulations, so its not bad if someone points them out... . its bad if he/she does harm to people. verbally, physically or psychologically.
MGTOW do not hate women, we have mothers, sisters and some have daughters. We interact with women in daily lives, personal and professionally. MGTOW are not rejecting women, they are rejecting romantic relationships with women due to there is no benefits for them. We are going our own way from a society that systematically discriminates against men.
I remember MGTOW. I had just had an abrupt break up. Only my first relationship and about three months in. It did make me realize that having a girlfriend or wife wasn't nessacery for happiness. But as I moved forward I realize how many things they also say that is very wrong. After dating a feminist, I realized finally what women deal with on a regular basis. MGTOW could be great if it didn't put women as corrupt objects. If the movement could just focus on men coming together and realizing the old ways don't work anymore and how feminists are actually fun and good to know, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. I hope one day it'll come out of the darkness. Like it or not, it was one of the first things that made me question the whole dating and marriage thing in general. But its taken a turn for the worst.
MGTOW is not about hating women. It is about hating the society expectations of men in relationships but more importantly the endorsement of vindictive women abusing the divorce courts to financially, mentally destroy men and alienate them from their children. False allegations of domestic abuse and male suicide that all this results in which is 4 times the rate of female suicide.
@MGTOW299 Completely understood. The problem is the MGTOW website and the vast majority of people on it and people it approves of. Not one good thing is said about women. And like many have pointed out, if it's about men going their own way, why is the concept of women mentioned so often?
One reason why its difficult to get a gauge how large the MGTOW movement is due to the fact that most MGTOW's call themselves confirmed bachelors and do not get onto the internet and got no idea what the term means. Most MGTOW's are TGTOW's today. They have seen a father, brother or friend go through a divorce and decided to stay away. I would not gauge a group by a FB group, especially when its not a coordinated movement like MRA's or feminism. It is just a philosophy of how to be happy. I too do not like the FB group more as it mostly blokes sharing porn. I mostly watch youtube video's such as Karen Straughan that leads to myself feeling empowered by this life choice. Google "Karen Straughan MGTOW" for a video that has both criticism and defence of this life philosophy in one video.
@MGTOW299 I will! Good to know I can use MGTOW to my own definition without the haunt of fitting what the website says (website, not fb group, although not suprised if they are associated) I still fear labeling myself as full on MGTOW because the definition almost anywhere is very different from what I want.
@MGTOW299 Ok I retract what you said. Not sure if I looked at the wrong vid or what, but the "angry MGTOW" guy is really off about things. First off if he is into men's rights so much more than the women he criticizes, why doesn't his videos focus on that? Every video he seems to have is literally to throw shade on a woman one way or another. Why doesn't ha make videos on something constructive like "the goods and bads of feminism vs the goods and bads of MGTOW"? I need to look at them more, but it seems he has more dislikes than likes on every vid for a reason.
@MGTOW299 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH Ok. See when I googled that, I immediately was shown in the results a youtuber that goes and criticizes these people. I thought something was off because it wasn't too in line in what you said. I'll definitely look again!
Ok so lesson learned. Whatever you do, do NOT tell people to google exactly that. Because the results are this. www.google.co.il/search I picked the first vid. And it seems NO results came for Karen herself sadly.
If you truly believe in human rights at all, I challenge you to watch the MGTOW movie which was written buy a Feminist activist which, during the course of making her the documentary, she had gave up feminism because of the things she learned about men. Feminists all over the world then sought out to ban the movie outright and almost succeeded if not for a few women in support of men. Again if you truly want the truth, download the movie from the internet.
"The Red Pill" hardly covers MGTOW, it's much more related to men's rights activists. The difference is rather simple. A MRA will try to change society by negotiating with feminazi activists. A MGTOW just leans back, enjoys his income and savings, and patiently waits for the shit to hit the fan. MGTOW are gone for good from society.
Some guys that are new to the MGTOW Forums do experience Red Pill rage, but there are others that move beyond that mentally and look at human behavior. The problem with 3rd wave feminism is that these women have the mindset that they're a strong independent women while they work marginal jobs such as standing behind a perfume counter in a retail store and completely overlook the contribution that Men have provided which allows them to stand in a building with running water and electricity. Women don't build infrastructure and they usually don't invent or engineer anything of significant value.
Whats this the 5th one this week shitting on MGTOW? Are they bothering you? Affecting your life? Living rent free in your head. Methinks you have no idea how many women shoehorn themselves into MGTOW forums, looking for something that they can't have, and here's you... speaking on womens behalf, for what? God thats cringy. Stop that. Not a moist vagina in the whole building.
yet another white knight who desperate seeks female approval has decided to dedicates a whole Mytake on us, lets see how much of a fool you're gonna come off as
If you had anything intelligent to bring to the debate I'd love to hear it. But like most MGTOW men i hear, verb and then insult and then adjective and then insult.
With that said, You might be interested in my other My Take about how men and women should split checks for dates. I got a lot of heat for that. A lot of negative reaction for saying that buying dinner rather than splitting things is essentially buying affection. A poor person to them is undeserving of love.
you got it the wrong way buddy. mgtow is not about hating women like I told that anonymous chick, Mgtow is about teaching men that women are not the soft fragile little angels like we seem them in Disney move. its also about teaching men that our society works against us through divorce rapes, child support, alimony, paternal frauds and many other things they put on us to exploit us
Why dont you watch a couple hundred MGTOW videos. Take a shot for the number of times a derogatory term to describe a woman is used. Take two shots for each time the term "Cunt" is used. You will be too wasted to respond after watchinf 3 videos.
And yet, the failure of mgtow is to conclude that the problem is genetic. No. Its cultural. But the solution of having mo engagement with women does nothing to change the culture. Its like not voting. The villafe idiot still gets elected rather than the less idiotic one.
@Apope16 again just because a lot of MGTOWs think low of women does not mean we are to women what the KKK is to black people or what the NeoNazis are to the jews. we stand for the freedom of men to be themselves and step out of all the social conditioning that our ignorant hypocritical society has engraved in us.
seriously you can do that drinking challenge for all the feminists videos out there as well yet why haven't you written a similar mytake aiming towards feminist? ohh I think know why! because you think that shaming mgtow is gonna get you pussy points.
First off about the myopic vision thing, you also need a male to reproduce, not far off from not needing that, but we still do and we have needed males for reproduction from the start of our species. Second off, they aren't all angry, white conservatives. Third off, they don't fear the growing prominence of women in our society they fear the growing ease of exploitation of the system created by the society, and that ease is coming from other males that are making laws, running courts, and protecting us from criminals. Also it sounds like you are trying to silence or censor them which is counterproductive for everyone, live by the "I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it." . But that's as far as i'm going to go, so goodnight.
MGTOW a growing demographic, each new MGTOW is less resources for hypergamy & gynocentrism, not chasing pussy you are focused elsewhere & become wealthy
Not all women are gold diggers and parent alienation deadbeat moms that love to use their children to commit domestic and child abuse. Due to society laws and systematic discrimination, every woman can be without consequence.
@MGTOW299 no I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I've seen the mgtow videos and they show great disdain for women but not enough to keep using them fulfil their sexual needs. Mgtow much like feminism is form of brokenness and disorder thats going on in our society.
@BrittBratt2416 Men have plenty of options for sex that do not involve a romantic relationship with women. MGTOW is simply looking at the stats, that the 50% of marriages end in divorce and women can lay false allegations and financially rape you through the courts. Today you do not even need to get married, any relationship longer than 12 months is considered a de-facto relationship giving a vindictive woman looking for a pay day without merit and desire for revenge as much rights as a wife. The benefits of a relationships do not justify the risk. You can have friendships with mates over xbox games, enjoy movies without interruption, and when you feel horny go onto porn hub or go and see a pro, or treat yourself to a holiday to Thailand. In another 10-15 years androids will be available with AI that will provide counseling. Men get happier as they get older if they remain single while women get more miserable and depressed. Have women done anything to earn disdain and avoidance?
I really don't think that they're any worse than feminists. I don't agree with either movement, nor any movement or "community" that insists on maintaining a distinction between "us" and "them".
They're all divisive mindsets to me and they just make it harder for us to use our diverse ways of thinking and seeing the world for the greater good of everyone.
3
0 Reply
Anonymous
(25-29)
+1 y
The question why do you care if men want to live their lives like that? Is it any of your business?
Your a white knight simp mangina who probably listens to their female friends bitch about alphas hoping to get some sympathy pussy.. That's what you are without realising it.. that's how a lot of men are or become without the knowledge of female nature
Weaaak. I don't have any past relationships that got me all pissed at women. I've just seen too many dudes lose their land, house, car, money etc during through alimony or during marriage when the woman nags em to change. Women by nature destroy men. Try to turn them into domesticated slaves
That is my experience of the MGTOW and TGTOW movement. In days gone by they used to be called confirmed bachelors. Most MGTOW's have seen a father, brother or friend go through a divorce and it has convinced them that relationships is like inviting cancer through smoking, no-one to blame but your own weakness that your financial, mental health and life had been destroyed when the end comes.
What Girls & Guys Said
Opinion
57Opinion
What a load of shit. All I read was "Blah blah blah, MGTOW is stupid, you should just accept paying alimony and child support and worry about raising stronger daughters." [during the 4 times you get to see your kid in a month].
Why only DAUGTERS, Why only Women?
Me me me, is a constant theme with these Feminists types.
As far as the equal pay deal, what lots of people don't realize is that if you give Women higher wages they will always end up seeking Men with more resources. This is called Hypergamy, it's a real thing. You'll end up having the majority of the female population aspiring to marry and reproduce with a handful of rich guys. Wait... It's pretty much that way now :/
Women still whine about the wage gap and still expect men to pay for all dates. They are just pissed they can't get a date.
What a biased overview of what is essentially a reactionary movement to unfair divorce and property laws. Yes there's some bitterness there, when a woman can (and has) kicked a man out of his house because she's board of him. And used the state to do it, of course there is going to be backlash.
This is a scenario that has happened to quite a few men, they come home from work to find police there, they tell him he has a half hour to get his stuff and may not contact his wife as she's filed a restraining order against him. As far as he knows there relationship was fine. He still has to pay the mortgage but can not live there, etc etc. Karen Straughan has stated that this scenario is one of the key ways that people find her... it's not a rare phenomenon.
It's worth remembering that anger is a legitimate response to injustice. A lot of people are fast to point out that some MGTOW are just angry, but they never stop to actually find out what happened to that man. Maybe the government took his children away from him because his wife made a false accusation of child abuse, just to punish him. Or she takes the child support payments he's forced to pay, and then spends it on new shoes.
It's really rare that people get angry for literally no reason.
The take is not in opposition to all of MGTOWs grievances. Only their disrespect of women, their refusal to realize that some feminist ideas (equal pay) actually advance their cause, and the stupidity of insulting others which limits the expansion of your ideas to new people
This is what you're not getting though. MGTOW isn't a "movement" with a "cause" which they require some army of other MGTOWs to "advance". I said this in my other post, that MGTOW is a personal philosophy the purpose of which is protecting male sovereignty.
This is the BEAUTY of MGTOW, is that you (or anyone else) do not need to recognize it, or be convinced by it, for it to work. If there's a toxic instution like say child/family courts, and they favour women (which they do about 90% of all cases) then either:
1) You can fight that, create a movement (MRAs) appeal to people, spread ideas, recruit allies, create awareness, raise consciousness of people, lobby for laws etc. All of this relies on other people being convinced by your arguments and then making sweeping changes to society and to these institutions.
OR
2) You can simply not have children and avoid the pitfalls of that institution, which is basically what MGTOWs are doing.
We don't need to expand our ideas for 2) to work
@Frosteh as daughter who had the best father and wouldn't leave his side for a second i remember crying constantly when the police came and made him leave or when my mother just kicked him out. and the hundreds of times she screamed for hours on end, threatening to do so. i totally understand and feel terrible for the kids who don't get to have the joy of having their loving father in their lives. i can't imagine it.
the thing that i've come to realize is that some men, just like some women, are bad to their kids or don't want to be in their lives. all i hear from men about this kind of men is that they are assholes and it's a shame. unfortunately there are a LOT of assholes.
@COCOCHANEL That's really awful, I'm sorry you had to go through that, no one should have to experience what you did. My father had a hard time seeing me and my siblings when we were young, it's incredibly important both parents are involved with the raising of children and for the government to treat men like wallets and expect them to do nothing put pay for the children and never be able to see them, it's doing a huge amount of harm to society.
@COCOCHANEL I too am really sorry to hear that you went through that with your mother and father. In regards to there are assholes out there, i agree and condemn them. However i believe that 90% of allegations during the divorce process is motivated to gain an advantage in a bitter custody battle. Usually the man is asking for nothing more than to spend weekends with his kids while the spurned woman just wants to hurt her ex partner by denying him the love and time with his child. The laws in society enable women to do this but more importantly the community endorses this behaviour, as the man deserved what he has coming to him. MGTOW is not about rejecting women its about rejecting the community that endorses systematic discrimination against men and children to humour a bitter woman.
@Frosteh I'm angry at the manginas than women. They allow women's shitty behavior.
@burpzzzzz I'm confused, when the state backs the behavior and it's a matter of law. Why is it the guys fault? What is he supposed to do, break into his own home?
Men are idiots allowing women to take over men. Men and women don't thrive with competition. Relationships thrive in supporting each other but it's clear that's not what women are doing. Anyways all I can do is guide my nieces and fuck every else who is too brain washed to know what to do.
I think most MGTOW are basically guys who realize old dating models are gone but still want them. They aren't letting go of their view of the world even though it was a lie.
If they really swallowed the red pill they'd be PUA not celibate.
The more "real" mgtow are divorced guys who just have no plans to date ever again. Most of them in that camp probably have lower sex drives and are genuine about it.
being MGTOW at a young age is pretty bizarre.
MGTOWs aren't necessarily celibate. Some have girlfriends, or have friends with benefits, or see professional sex workers.
Not all men want to manipulate or use women, a lot of the PUA teachings are basically how to manipulate women into getting sex. Not all men are after just sex.
This is false info. Girls do not buy into this. I am a mgtow and I don't hate women. I chose this path because I love the single life. The purpose of mgtow is to support men who have decided that they don't want a relationship or marriage because either of the court system on divorces, bad relationship in the past, or any other reason that has had a negative impact on their lives as far as relationships go. Because of most men going mgtow they are much happier with their lives and some even became very successful. Unfortunately most men who became mgtow are just using mgtow as an excuse to hate on women because of feminists, but that was not the original intent for mgtow. Hopefully this clears up some misunderstandings. Have a nice day.
I've always been a complementarian. Men and women will never be equal in every category, because they simply weren't meant to be identical in every single way. In which case, men should appreciate what nature and nature's God intended for them to be, and women should embrace their feminimity. And where there is a sameness, it should be equally respected.
A woman can't chop wood as efficiently as a man. So what? If she's a better debater on a debate team, then by all means. Men generally speaking cannot learn to sew as well as women. But make up for it in generally being better at driving. But if attacked, a man can do a lot of damage by driving bad on purpose. And a woman with skill with a needle can do a lot of damage where it counts.
As for what I do for a hobby: I'd love to work with a woman who is equally talented and ambitious. If we could agree on a common project, and stay organized, it could lead to some sweet webcomic or indie film magic.
You do realize a lot of men sew? Sails and hot tub cover in such are more often men then not.
And then there will be that magical night... you're white knighting.
@Muglintar: Some of us can do the art for the art. Not everyone is in it purely for the warm dip.
I am eschewing marriage altogether on the basis of the legal environment being too hostile for men.
Would you risk 50+% of all your current and future wealth on any other state-sanctioned and court enforced contract that grants the other party rights to abandon you at any time and for any reason and then leaves you with no recourse whatsoever?
No?
Then why the hell would anyone do that just for marriage?
Marriage has to be looked at like a contract, because that is exactly what it is. Look at the terms of this contract that are offered to men, then ask yourself if they would be acceptable in any other legal circumstance such as a business deal, lease, house purchase or car loan. This reveals it for the scam it is.
it is not the best thing, mindlessly hating on people, either feminists or their male equivalent, and generalising them and wishing for their extinction. both waves have managed to make some good points. society as a constitution as well as the genders aren't all that saintful. they have their drawbacks and manipulations, so its not bad if someone points them out... . its bad if he/she does harm to people. verbally, physically or psychologically.
MGTOW do not hate women, we have mothers, sisters and some have daughters. We interact with women in daily lives, personal and professionally. MGTOW are not rejecting women, they are rejecting romantic relationships with women due to there is no benefits for them. We are going our own way from a society that systematically discriminates against men.
I remember MGTOW. I had just had an abrupt break up. Only my first relationship and about three months in. It did make me realize that having a girlfriend or wife wasn't nessacery for happiness. But as I moved forward I realize how many things they also say that is very wrong. After dating a feminist, I realized finally what women deal with on a regular basis. MGTOW could be great if it didn't put women as corrupt objects. If the movement could just focus on men coming together and realizing the old ways don't work anymore and how feminists are actually fun and good to know, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. I hope one day it'll come out of the darkness. Like it or not, it was one of the first things that made me question the whole dating and marriage thing in general. But its taken a turn for the worst.
MGTOW is not about hating women. It is about hating the society expectations of men in relationships but more importantly the endorsement of vindictive women abusing the divorce courts to financially, mentally destroy men and alienate them from their children. False allegations of domestic abuse and male suicide that all this results in which is 4 times the rate of female suicide.
@MGTOW299 Completely understood. The problem is the MGTOW website and the vast majority of people on it and people it approves of. Not one good thing is said about women. And like many have pointed out, if it's about men going their own way, why is the concept of women mentioned so often?
One reason why its difficult to get a gauge how large the MGTOW movement is due to the fact that most MGTOW's call themselves confirmed bachelors and do not get onto the internet and got no idea what the term means. Most MGTOW's are TGTOW's today. They have seen a father, brother or friend go through a divorce and decided to stay away. I would not gauge a group by a FB group, especially when its not a coordinated movement like MRA's or feminism. It is just a philosophy of how to be happy. I too do not like the FB group more as it mostly blokes sharing porn. I mostly watch youtube video's such as Karen Straughan that leads to myself feeling empowered by this life choice. Google "Karen Straughan MGTOW" for a video that has both criticism and defence of this life philosophy in one video.
@MGTOW299 I will! Good to know I can use MGTOW to my own definition without the haunt of fitting what the website says (website, not fb group, although not suprised if they are associated) I still fear labeling myself as full on MGTOW because the definition almost anywhere is very different from what I want.
@MGTOW299 Ok I retract what you said. Not sure if I looked at the wrong vid or what, but the "angry MGTOW" guy is really off about things. First off if he is into men's rights so much more than the women he criticizes, why doesn't his videos focus on that? Every video he seems to have is literally to throw shade on a woman one way or another. Why doesn't ha make videos on something constructive like "the goods and bads of feminism vs the goods and bads of MGTOW"? I need to look at them more, but it seems he has more dislikes than likes on every vid for a reason.
Yes you have looked at the wrong video as Karen Straughan is a woman :)
Helen Smith is also a woman that advocates for MGTOW
So is Jaclyn Glenn
So is Janet Bloomfield
@MGTOW299 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH Ok. See when I googled that, I immediately was shown in the results a youtuber that goes and criticizes these people. I thought something was off because it wasn't too in line in what you said. I'll definitely look again!
Ok so lesson learned. Whatever you do, do NOT tell people to google exactly that. Because the results are this. www.google.co.il/search
I picked the first vid. And it seems NO results came for Karen herself sadly.
If you truly believe in human rights at all, I challenge you to watch the MGTOW movie which was written buy a Feminist activist which, during the course of making her the documentary, she had gave up feminism because of the things she learned about men. Feminists all over the world then sought out to ban the movie outright and almost succeeded if not for a few women in support of men.
Again if you truly want the truth, download the movie from the internet.
Nah. Nice try for a movie plug. I've watched hundreds of MGTOW videos instead
Close you your mind, then. You win.
I have no monetary interests in the movie. Go buy yourself a beer.
Which kind?
You wouldn't listen to what I have to say anyways.
lol. riiight.
"The Red Pill" hardly covers MGTOW, it's much more related to men's rights activists.
The difference is rather simple. A MRA will try to change society by negotiating with feminazi activists. A MGTOW just leans back, enjoys his income and savings, and patiently waits for the shit to hit the fan. MGTOW are gone for good from society.
Some guys that are new to the MGTOW Forums do experience Red Pill rage, but there are others that move beyond that mentally and look at human behavior. The problem with 3rd wave feminism is that these women have the mindset that they're a strong independent women while they work marginal jobs such as standing behind a perfume counter in a retail store and completely overlook the contribution that Men have provided which allows them to stand in a building with running water and electricity. Women don't build infrastructure and they usually don't invent or engineer anything of significant value.
Whats this the 5th one this week shitting on MGTOW? Are they bothering you? Affecting your life? Living rent free in your head. Methinks you have no idea how many women shoehorn themselves into MGTOW forums, looking for something that they can't have, and here's you... speaking on womens behalf, for what? God thats cringy. Stop that. Not a moist vagina in the whole building.
yet another white knight who desperate seeks female approval has decided to dedicates a whole Mytake on us, lets see how much of a fool you're gonna come off as
If you had anything intelligent to bring to the debate I'd love to hear it. But like most MGTOW men i hear, verb and then insult and then adjective and then insult.
With that said, You might be interested in my other My Take about how men and women should split checks for dates. I got a lot of heat for that. A lot of negative reaction for saying that buying dinner rather than splitting things is essentially buying affection. A poor person to them is undeserving of love.
you got it the wrong way buddy. mgtow is not about hating women like I told that anonymous chick, Mgtow is about teaching men that women are not the soft fragile little angels like we seem them in Disney move. its also about teaching men that our society works against us through divorce rapes, child support, alimony, paternal frauds and many other things they put on us to exploit us
and no dont take this personal but I'm not interest about "split checks for date" because I don't date. I think dating is for losers
Why dont you watch a couple hundred MGTOW videos. Take a shot for the number of times a derogatory term to describe a woman is used. Take two shots for each time the term "Cunt" is used. You will be too wasted to respond after watchinf 3 videos.
And yet, the failure of mgtow is to conclude that the problem is genetic. No. Its cultural. But the solution of having mo engagement with women does nothing to change the culture. Its like not voting. The villafe idiot still gets elected rather than the less idiotic one.
@Apope16 again just because a lot of MGTOWs think low of women does not mean we are to women what the KKK is to black people or what the NeoNazis are to the jews. we stand for the freedom of men to be themselves and step out of all the social conditioning that our ignorant hypocritical society has engraved in us.
seriously you can do that drinking challenge for all the feminists videos out there as well yet why haven't you written a similar mytake aiming towards feminist? ohh I think know why! because you think that shaming mgtow is gonna get you pussy points.
First off about the myopic vision thing, you also need a male to reproduce, not far off from not needing that, but we still do and we have needed males for reproduction from the start of our species. Second off, they aren't all angry, white conservatives. Third off, they don't fear the growing prominence of women in our society they fear the growing ease of exploitation of the system created by the society, and that ease is coming from other males that are making laws, running courts, and protecting us from criminals. Also it sounds like you are trying to silence or censor them which is counterproductive for everyone, live by the "I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it." . But that's as far as i'm going to go, so goodnight.
jeffpicard.com/.../Man.jpg
This is true.
Lmao!! Actually I've noticed people in relationships tend to get fat. Just saying.
@KaseyRouqe supposed to be a representation of guys getting drained from divorce right?
I know, I just like giving people shit.
tobkes.othellomaster.com/.../USE-ME.jpg
Damn I want to be divorced.
@Unit1 This all MGTOW is pointing out to other men.
www.foxnews.com/.../why-men-wont-marry.html
@Margillard I know why I don't want to marry and I'm sure about it. And I'm a former MGTOW myself, so I know why.
Very funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6ynw2qUZM
MGTOW a growing demographic, each new MGTOW is less resources for hypergamy & gynocentrism, not chasing pussy you are focused elsewhere & become wealthy
there will always be lots of golddiggers because they can
Not all women are gold diggers and parent alienation deadbeat moms that love to use their children to commit domestic and child abuse. Due to society laws and systematic discrimination, every woman can be without consequence.
@MGTOW299 no I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I've seen the mgtow videos and they show great disdain for women but not enough to keep using them fulfil their sexual needs. Mgtow much like feminism is form of brokenness and disorder thats going on in our society.
@BrittBratt2416 Men have plenty of options for sex that do not involve a romantic relationship with women. MGTOW is simply looking at the stats, that the 50% of marriages end in divorce and women can lay false allegations and financially rape you through the courts. Today you do not even need to get married, any relationship longer than 12 months is considered a de-facto relationship giving a vindictive woman looking for a pay day without merit and desire for revenge as much rights as a wife. The benefits of a relationships do not justify the risk. You can have friendships with mates over xbox games, enjoy movies without interruption, and when you feel horny go onto porn hub or go and see a pro, or treat yourself to a holiday to Thailand. In another 10-15 years androids will be available with AI that will provide counseling. Men get happier as they get older if they remain single while women get more miserable and depressed. Have women done anything to earn disdain and avoidance?
I really don't think that they're any worse than feminists. I don't agree with either movement, nor any movement or "community" that insists on maintaining a distinction between "us" and "them".
They're all divisive mindsets to me and they just make it harder for us to use our diverse ways of thinking and seeing the world for the greater good of everyone.
The question why do you care if men want to live their lives like that? Is it any of your business?
Your a white knight simp mangina who probably listens to their female friends bitch about alphas hoping to get some sympathy pussy..
That's what you are without realising it.. that's how a lot of men are or become without the knowledge of female nature
The MGTOW response (for anyone who's interested). #zerofucksgiven...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKP7pj3lShQWeaaak.
I don't have any past relationships that got me all pissed at women. I've just seen too many dudes lose their land, house, car, money etc during through alimony or during marriage when the woman nags em to change.
Women by nature destroy men. Try to turn them into domesticated slaves
That is my experience of the MGTOW and TGTOW movement. In days gone by they used to be called confirmed bachelors. Most MGTOW's have seen a father, brother or friend go through a divorce and it has convinced them that relationships is like inviting cancer through smoking, no-one to blame but your own weakness that your financial, mental health and life had been destroyed when the end comes.
@MGTOW299 I just think relationships are illogical high risk investments with zero possibility of a pay out