Beware of FAKE nice guys!

[Elsa143]

There are certain types of nice guys you shouldn't trust !

Our generation is having more fuck boys who are adapting to cover their real faces behind 'fake nice guy' persona to catch a nice fish!

Not so good looking guys do this more often as they know it's the only way to win a pretty chick!

Here's why you should never trust them

1. They seem very genuine but it's just an act ! Only losers have that much time to fake it.

• They know how bad boys treat girls and they will appear the exactly opposite of them to attract female attention.
• If bad boys appear confident and outspoken, they'll appear shy and reserved.
• They are people pleasers kind of introverts and they will do anything to charm a pretty girl as they have the hidden agenda.

2. They have multiple personalities hidden beneath a "NICE'" surface.

• This trait makes him a very good liar! He is also scanning other girls but knows to hide it very well. He'll appear as if he's fixed on you but he does have a lingering gaze!
• His friends know how perverted and desperate he is to lose his 'nice' virginity for the 7th time.

3. They EXPECT things in return and are entitled

It's flattering that they're treating you well (Listenting to you, comforting you or picking you up) but they're doing it for themselves to reap the benefits in future.

• He'll unexpectedly turn into a salesman who is trying to persuade you slowly and consistently once you're trapped in his net. He won't take no for an answer.
• He'll plead more and if he still gets rejected, get ready for exaggerated rumors or spilled secrets about you girl!

4. Things don't get better even if you say "Yes".

Your life after a fake nice guy is hooked on you!

• He wants to be with you all the time and is draining you out emotionally, breaching your personal space and time for achieving goals.
• He's selfish and wants to be with you according to his convenience.
• He got no better options so he's clingy as hell with you.

The moment he gets entertainment, time with his buddies or maybe attention from other chicks, he'll act like you never existed.

5. He pretends to be inexperienced, shy or unaware but knows a shit ton of things

• As I told you that these fake nice guys are professional liars and can act like they don't know basic things.
• Later you find out that he has done masters degree in human behavior, incessant white lies, pornography, charming females and manipulative tricks.

6. He has same desires just like bad boys but he is obsessed with creating good impression

• He will tell her lot of emotional things that how he can't live without her, she's the best woman in this planet and all that bullshit.
• At the end of the day he couldn't care less about his commitment but the fact that he wanted to screw a chick.

Conclusion : Genuine nice guys will give good vibes and you'll know who's being fake.

Avoid these fake annoying people and dump their sugarcoated affection.

[Knighted2170]

Some of this I have to agree with. I've kicked more guys out of my programs for exactly these reasons.

They come in only looking for how to manipulate women.

My only caution would be to not overlook the guy who is genuine. It's something I have encountered more than once. Someone who is genuine can be nice, but they are upfront with their intentions and respect boundaries.

[Tstrbrainer]

Programs?

[Knighted2170]

I have a relationship coaching company.

[Tstrbrainer]

Okay

[Tstrbrainer]

Happy new year

[Knighted2170]

Happy new year to you as well.

[Liam_Hayden]

The easiest way to spot the fake "nice guys" is to just observe him when he doesn't know you are watching. Is he nice to everyone or just to girls he thinks are attractive? If the former, he is probably just a nice person. If he is the latter, you have a manipulator who is pretending to be nice in order to get in your pants.

[Elsa143]

So accurate

[sadMeester]

I'd say there's a difference between being nice and flattery. The ones I know flatter unattractive girls. They might compliment and flatter everybody and seem polite enough.

He used and threw away several women though. He targeted the infertile.

[Anonymous]

*claps and snaps*

I'm a kind of intense, assertive, and "deep" person, so take that for what it's worth. My depth is reflected in the kinds of conversations I like to have, and that includes asking difficult questions. My challenge has always been to balance that intensity, so I'm not interviewing too much or being too too critical. But for a lot of women, they would benefit from having some more of those deeper conversations and exercising their own critical eye. Most of these guys are not actually excellent liars. They just aren't being presented with any kind of challenge to avoiding substance. Be kind but keep your eyes open - a lot of it is ducking and swerving, opposed to outright lies. A lot of these guys won't divulge too much information about themselves, they will ask questions back at you instead of answering questions you ask directly, because they want to give you what you want to hear and don't want to craft elaborate lies on the spot or be too open/honest and ruin their chances with getting laid eventually. They might not be too immersed in discussions you have and may try to interject with shallow, seemingly sweet comments about how pretty or adorable you are (randomly, in the middle of you trying to explain something or ask him something - this is meant to change the conversation that may be going too deep and possibly ruining his chances of getting laid by giving you the wrong info or he just isn't interested in getting to know you, flatter and distract instead). They might repeatedly ask you to do something that you said you didn't want to do, working on pushing and breaking your boundaries. It can start with something small and seemingly unimportant - that's often first sign. The key is that if you are being assertive and saying that something doesn't feel comfortable for you, and if they don't respect that and remember it - they have their own agenda in mind as a priority, not your feelings. Things like that.

My number one piece of advice to seeing through the facade is to work on your own expression of authenticity and depth, and lead with passion for what and who you want. Don't be afraid of speaking up and asking questions. Don't silence yourself and your curiosity in learning what you want to know about this guy because you're afraid of scaring him away or turning him off. Go at your own pace. If he wants to have sex on the second or third date and you don't - don't. And you can kindly explain to him that you want to take things a little slower and build a connection. *This will lead many guys to walk away, because many of the men you encounter are mostly concerned with sex/casual relationships. This just means he isn't for you, unless you want that as well, which is totally fine*

But I do believe that depth and openness has been my own best defense in this area. It's true that I run the risk of overwhelming guys who are well-intentioned but just not open enough for that early on, but it does effectively reveal who is really interested in me as a person and sharing who they are as a person vs. who is mostly interested in other things. The focus on getting to know him on a deeper level seems especially important, because every once and a blue moon, there are even some guys who play a very long game of listening to you without giving much back, even if you take it slow. A relationship is getting to know each other, not you giving most of the information and him just listening.

Young chickadees especially need to learn this difference between nice and good/good for you. The meanest people can be nice when they want to. People who intend to use you for something can be nice when they want to. As you get older, you will learn to put on a variety of masks and faces for social and career purposes. None of that amounts to whether or not someone is a good match for you. And finally - live your best life and work on your self esteem and self awareness. That's key to seeing how you should be treated and recognizing manipulation/boundary issues. Live a life so full that any man is an addition to it and not the source of your happiness or a reason to be codependent (which is excessively and unhealthily reliant on your partner). A lot of people will accept anything because they're desperate for something. And that can fuck up your life even more than a fuckboy in hiding. At least the fuckboy will leave you alone eventually.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ORgZ3dJxTXM

[Elsa143]

Yes I also did tests that were unpredictable. That's how I caught him and when I used to ask in depth questions his answers would differ.

[NickAdy9405]

First of all I'm am 26 year old man.
I totally agree with all you wrote down there.
I only had one girlfriend until now and had sex only with one women until now just because I didn't want hookups and i always wanted someone real but I can bet i experienced much more sexual pleasure than 90% of those fuck boys.

Guys are very fake nowadays.
Guys like to show off and humiliate girls.
Guys lie slot and do not appreciate a women at all.
Is very hard for a women to find a guy that is actually serious and ready to settle down.
Guys think that is not normal to be with the same women forever.
Dude I understand you don't want a relationship but do not lie about.

There are still guys out there that are serious and is not that hard to spot them, usually those guys work, are educated, know what respect is and they know to appreciate what a women can do.


Trust me is not about looks, is about insecurities here. Most man are just some fake alpha wannabe while they are very insecure.
Most of them trying to prove that being an alpha guy means that you fuck multiple girls but they fuck them just because they don't have self esteem and they believe they need confirmation to be good from more than one girl.

They try to attract a girl with a nice car wich always cost half or 30% comparing to the price they say, they trying to show girls that they can make money without working and they can offer them anything. Girls start to believe that every guy cheat and is better to be cheated on by some rich guy.


Is fucking lame the world we live in.

You want a good guy around you?

Listen to me, start dating, know him better and focus on his behaviour, try to test him, make him wait some months until he even touches your vagina, not even talking about sex here.
Make him wait at least one year until he can fuck you, make sure he stays for what you are and the way you are but cutting anything sexual down.
If a guy start to appreciate the way you are, the food you cook, the way you talk, the facts you do for him, and he shows you that you are the only one, that he keeps his promises that he respect you that he doesn't lie to you, and he does that without getting vagina for some months to an year chances that he's serious about you grow a lot.


We live in a fucking society where sex should happen after 3-4-5 dates. This is not normal.

[Elsa143]

Wow you're one of those rare ones who understands and applied it.

[NickAdy9405]

Yeah but fun fact is that most girls found me boring when I told them how i am. I find it boring when a girl wants only fun and she doesn't think about future, doesn't think that in life not everything is about fun.

[Elsa143]

They're stupid and lying to themselves. Because biologically a girl is more sensitive and gets attached more after having sex. So they all will cry and complain that why I don't get a good guy.

[Elsa143]

And these fuck boys give the logic of old times when humans used to be like animals and lived in caves. They say that guys are hunters so they look for ways to catch their prey girl. A guy is supposed to fertilize many women. (I think this logic is only applicable when there used to be very low population).

[NickAdy9405]

That's a stupid logic to be honest, why those same guy who hunt prey are so scared of responsabilitied like babies?

[Elsa143]

Exactly. If they're banging 20 women then they gotta have to afford and provide for 20 kids. It's all excuses and then they'll say it's their biological need.

[KrakenAttackin]

@NickAdy9405. Buddy you are kidding yourself. Have you ever wondered why a girl will sit and talk to you about what she wants In a guy (nice, ambitious, kind, family oriented, etc.) But yet she will go to a club and fuck the brains out of a bad boy? Also she will have the "bad boy" fuck buddy, all while using you as an emotional tampon. You know why she does this? Because you (Mr. Nice guy) don't give her the "tingles". You don't arouse her, you don't challenge her, she knows she can have you however, whenever, for whatever, she wants at anytime.

Just a word to the wise, never listen to what women "say", watch what they do, and you will see they are very different things.

[NickAdy9405]

@KrakenAttackin trust me dude, i make her wet just the way I look at her, i fuck her hard and we are very open minded. Being good in bed and fucking hard a women is not equal with being a bragging bad ass, asshole, who cheats and humiliated women. With the right girl things works, with a whore no matter what you do she will cheat.

Non verbal behavior is also important, and I'm not mr nice guy just because I don't cheat on her.
Women like to argue, women like guys being rough verbally or even ignore them sometimes to create a sexual tension. What you talking about those good guys that do what women say and never argue you are right. But I'm not the case. I'm not an asshole cheater nor a stupid boy that does anything the girl says.

[NickAdy9405]

Also I don't date girls that spend their nights in clubs. And no, not all of them see fun in going to clubs.

[Elsa143]

Yeah going to clubs all the time is a red flag as well.

[NickAdy9405]

Of course if I date a girl that frequent club and smoke shits and drinks more alcohol than a normal guy, chances she will not appreciate a mature, serious guy grow.

I think the best thing to do is date someone with similar habits, who want similar stuffs in future and appreciate you, communicates and is trustworthy.

I'm so open minded with my girlfriend that you "bad boy" "alpha guy" or whatever you think you are cannot be so open with 5 one night stands girls you fuck.

We have different views, some of us are frustrated and need loads of girls to fuck to be happy, some of us are mature enough to be happy with one women around and having fun with one women can be unlimited if you are smart, open, educated. But most of you choose looks over brain and end up with some beautiful lady that doesn't even want sex on regular basis or she's so bored that all she do is show off her ass on instagram pics.

[KrakenAttackin]

Sounds like you have things well in hand!

[Wysardi]

And how many “dates” do you think other animals have before having sex?

[Charli7]

Agree with points these points for each, and the comments I didn't post, I haven't seen it or disagree:
1. If bad boys appear confident and outspoken, they'll appear shy and reserved.
Funny thing is I've seen both in these guys. I think the show of confidence is a cover for the lack of it. They are people pleasers kind of introverts and they will do anything to charm a pretty girl as they have the hidden agenda. He always has lots of compliments, "You're so pretty. Because you're hot. You look good." He's likely waiting for the moment you fall prey to his compliments, then once you do, he's gone.
2. They have multiple personalities hidden beneath a "NICE'" surface. This trait makes him a very good liar! He is also scanning other girls but knows to hide it very well.
Multiple personalities is the big giveaway. If you see it, be cautious. Be afraid. Be very, very afraid, and run! It's flattering that they're treating you well. Yes, he'll listen to you, and let's be honest, that's all any girl wants. Guys, if you don't know this already I'm here to tell you, that's the way to her heart; Listen. If he can comforting you and make you feel better, then you know he cares, right? That's hard to say. I used to think time would tell, but then I saw a guy hang around for years only to be a player in the end that didn't genuinely care about me. He just cared about getting that one thing, and he was doing it to reap the benefits in future.
3. He'll plead more and if he still gets rejected, he'll keep asking. If it makes you uncomfortable or you ask him not to and he still asks, he doesn't really care about you.
4. He's selfish and wants to be with you according to his convenience. I feel this is the one thing all "nice guys" have in common.
5. As I told you that these fake nice guys are professional liars and can act like they don't know basic things.
All previous signs lead to 6. At the end of the day he couldn't care less about his commitment but the fact that he wanted to screw a chick. Sad, but true. If you're gut is saying something's not right with this guy, or I don't know how he feels about me, ask him the questions and you will likely know your answer. If he gets defensive, he doesn't care. If he doesn't say "I want to explore a relationship with only you" that's a clear sign. I've had men still say the right things, and they we're lying to get what they wanted, even if they waited years to get it.
My point is you can still get thrown sideways after doing everything right. You never know.

[guesswhoseback]

No one likes unauthentic people.

But honestly most women are not very good at deciphering fake vs. genuine nice guys just like they can’t tell the difference between true confidence vs. deep insecurity masked as aggression.

This is very surprising because women usually have better intuition then men. But they tend over indulge both their positive and negative emotions. They quickly write off a genuine nice guys if they think he’s too boring. Not even give him much of a chance if any. Then they will quickly embrace an asshole thinking he’s decent beneath the aggressive veneer when he is most likely a true piece of shit.

At the end of the day I don’t care if women want to chase assholes. Do as you please. But when he fucks you over (and he will) just remember you have no one to blame but YOURSELF for your piss poor decision. I’m really getting sick and fed up with women who self sabotage themselves then look for shoulders to cry on.

Instead of crying about it just slap yourself in your face and make better decisions down the road.

[Elsa143]

Yes despite having intuition they choose to ignore it because they only want to see the positive side and compromises her judgements for a guy she likes. Because intuition is for emotional people and when emotions outweighs the logic then she's screwed.

[guesswhoseback]

And how should a genuine nice guy react when he sees that complete bullshit? huh? You tell me.

[Elsa143]

He can just ignore

[Elsa143]

And approach a girl who will love him back.

[guesswhoseback]

No that’s a dismissive answer. If the roles were reversed you wouldn’t accept that answer either.

What you are saying means he is looking at 10+ rude (often humiliating especially the friendzone) rejections until he finds one right girl. Maybe he will get lucky and find her early? Maybe he has thick skin. But more often than not he gets jaded and you wonder why?

Lots of guys who girls like to dismiss as “incels” are genuine nice guys who have been burned more than once. We take what women say at face value but it turned out to be a shit test.

Now I’m not saying guys should be doormats. Grow a spine and deal with her crap. But when it comes to dating women generally have the power to accept or reject because men are expected to approach.

All I want is for women to RESPECT that. You can date whatever asshole you want but RESPECT what men have to go through. You would probably any to go jump off a bridge at times if you were in our position.

Also I just want women to own up to their own shitty decisions.

[Elsa143]

Lol I am never rude to anyone who approaches me but at the same time I approached my crush. He accepted but then I immediately dumped him after I found out that he was still in love with his ex school friend.

[Elsa143]

I had self respect and used my logic that's why I cut him off. He was basically trying to use me as a rebound. I am not scared to make first moves because knowing the answer makes me feel better rather than overthinking.

[guesswhoseback]

There is a much deeper message I’m getting to here. It’s not a fucking “lol” issue earlier. Either you don’t want to go there because it’s a scary ugly truth or you just don’t understand. But I think it’s the former.

I don’t think we are going to establish this deeper discussion so I wish you the best of luck. Sad though.

[guesswhoseback]

I just want you to understand the whole “nice guy”
vs “asshole” is a much more complicated issue that what women dismiss it as. Also women have done a pretty shitty job raising you boys into understanding what women really want.

Lots of the angry “nice guys” you see on here would of been most likely happily married in a different time era. But feminism has setup young men to fail.

To be successful nice guys have to rewire their brains to go over much of the societal brainwashing they were put through since they were young boys. That is easier said than done.

[Elsa143]

Yes I clearly understand the difference between fake nice guy and a genuine nice guy. Other women also need to distinguish them. Sad part is that these assholes pretend to be a nice guy which makes a real nice guy look suspicious. But women who dismiss a genuine nice guy just because he was boring then it's her fault. She's not sensible enough to know what is good and bad.

[Elsa143]

I don't mind if a nice guy is boring as long as he's honest.

[guesswhoseback]

Alright well thank you for acknowledging this whole issue also majorly at fault with women too. I swear if so women weren’t such a slave to their emotions we would have:

- fewer divorces
- fewer domestic violence situations
- lower depression rates for both genders
- lower suicide rates for men (are are 4x higher then women)
- less misogyny and less misandry
- less confusion, heartbreak and confusion for both genders.
- less assholes overall. They would be forced to change their bad behavior but instead they are getting rewarded for it.

Now I know not all women are like this but TOO MANY are. Remember 9 out of 10 times it’s up to the female to say yes or no if a man approaches her. It all begins there.

[TruthBringer]

@guesswhoseback Absolutely nailed it once again! Nice seeing you around

[guesswhoseback]

@TruthBringer you too man. Hope your new year is starting off well

[Anonymous]

This makes zero sense to me.

I used to be the typical nice guy when I was younger. I actually was genuinely innocent and shy. Girls would really like me and they'd tell me that I was sweet. They only liked me as a friend. Maybe they assumed that it was fake, maybe they just weren't attracted. Either way, nice guy behaviour doesn't get you laid.

I noticed that they went for bad boys. They'd come to me complaining about the guys they were dating. Sometimes it was a guy they chose over me. They'd date a guy, he'd do something to piss her off, she'd come to me and complain, maybe they'd break up for a bit, then she'd get back with him or date another guy like him.

Eventually I got tired of that because it was so frustrating, depressing even - something which women will use to say that I wasn't really a nice guy - to hear these girls say "you're such a nice guy" and "I just want to meet a nice guy" but they didn't want me. I tried to figure out what was going on, and I put 2+2 together and realised that if they were going for the "bad boy" over me, obviously he had something I didn't have.

I started to copy the things they did, and it worked. I started getting laid. I became a fuckboy for a bit. I only started getting laid by NOT being the nice guy. Fuckboys don't get laid by acting like the guy who always gets friend-zoned. That's why this makes no sense to me. Why would they do any of that?

It seems to me that the guys who do these things are clueless guys who don't get laid that much if at all. You're telling women things they already know and reject.

[Hypnos0929]

These all seem like digs at men who aren't surface level about their entire personalities.
1) This guy treats you nice and doesn't want to make people man so you're looking for a reason to hate him
2) Everyone has different parts to their personality. You shouldn't expect one dimensional men to just exist for the sole purpose of being your non-threatening bestfriend. Yeah he wants to fuck you! Cut him loose or find out if your personalities are compatible. But don't pretend you don't see the signs until he tells you he doesn't care anymore.
3) This point is literally everyone. No one wants to work for free, and you have zero ability to tell if he was always nice to fuck you or if he grew into that feeling. The difference between the "nice guy" and "bad boy" is the "nice guy" believes YOU can change your feelings. It's pathetic but so is excepting a boyfriend-lite.
4) So what is it, is he clingy or is he detached? You clearly want him to leave you the hell alone but you're mad he chooses to get attention from more than just you? Your second bullet point in this section sounds like you want to be with him according to your convenience. If your in a relationship with one foot out the door don't expect anything more.
5) OMG he doesn't want you to think he's a player so he lies about his sexual past...
6) So self control is your issue with this template man you've created? You're mad he doesn't act like the person he doesn't want to be treated like?

All these points show is that you aren't sure what you want until you're ready to end things or until you don't feel like they are dependent on you.

[Callsign_birddog]

I can absolutely agree with some of the things you've stated here. It can be very hard to sort out who is actually a genuine person, and who is just in it for the catch.

However I do want to mention (it may have already been said) that there are women who do the same thing, but for different motives.

There are also women out there who intentionally select or prey on men who have a low self-esteem and are generally considered to be unattractive. Some women may do this to get financial or social status, or simply because they're a bitter person.

[Elsa143]

Yes I've seen one ex friend of mine doing that and when her boyfriend asked me I told him everything that she is preying on a boy who's having feelings for her in our class.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol nobody gives fuck about nice guys they are like 2nd options for girls backup plan just in case something doesntf work out its like getting cheated by the bad guys and taking revenge on nice guys that's the way of girls has always been that's why they say nice guys finish last bc they are the later choice


And if you are falling for fake nice guys then someone already has cheated or didn't work out so as using back up plan if this is not true then I wish all other girls a very best of luck and bright future with real nice guys.

[Elsa143]

It's the opposite in my case. I don't give a fuck to bad boys. I find them annoying.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Yup but in general its the way people are with few exceptions like you

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Just out of curiosity, tell me honestly dod you ever date a bad guy? How did it go but there are chances a guy could be just a guy based on perceptions he might be good to some and bad to some

[Elsa143]

Okay so my ex appeared to be a reserved and introverted person. He acted sweet but then I started to see that he was very mischievous and took advantage of his innocent appearance. He even told me that no one will doubt him because I appear such a nice guy. But then after 4 months of dating he told me that he lied to me about his LIFE and even his crushes. He said they never existed but then I saw them. Again he was lying. When i caught him he pretended to feel guilty but was constantly hiding so many things and kept on lying. After 6 months of breakup he keeps annoying me occasionally to take him back.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

There might reasons why he lied lol if he was that good of a liar he could have got any other girl why is he requesting to get back to you and also did he cheated on you? Well some people are also sinsecure about there past baggage and he also said that he looks innocent in perception of people bc there is a certain way people talk which might seem as that but they didn't intend to mean that so here is a ase of perceiving and boxing a person as if he behaves as sauch he is so and so well people are bit different.

I am not saying he is bad or good guy just a saying obviously you know him better

[Elsa143]

He's a good liar but is very ugly that's why no girl is interested. I was interested because of his personality but mamy girls nowadays want good looks. Lying is not everything. Looks, status and popularity also matters for others.

[Elsa143]

And he lacks all that.

[Anonymous]

Well, unlike most women who write these "anti-nice guy" posts, you at least had the sense to include the word FAKE. But I still have to call bullshit because it makes zero sense, and here's why.

Women have been FLOODING the internet for years now with anti-nice guy rhetoric. I have been a member on GAG for about seven years and as long as I can remember I have seen like three to five anti-nice guy posts every day. There is literally an entire subreddit devoted to women hating on nice guys. Men have been bombarded every day, all day long with the message that women hate nice guys. Men have been indoctrinated with the message than women HATE nice guys.

And yet... you women continue to post shit like this despite the fact that it is obviously bullshit considering there is not a man left on the planet who would actually believe that being a nice guy would buy him ANYTHING with a woman, so I don't believe for a second that any of what you've written here is true because there is literally zero motivation for any guy to pretend to be nice. None!

Look, I know this is all just a reaction by women to the fact that they get criticized for being attracted to bad boys, but y'all are doing yourselves no favors with this anti-nice guys stuff. You are really just shooting yourselves in the foot.

[MzAsh]

Bad boys suck and aren’t attractive.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh I think it's comical how women say "bad boys suck" yet they consistently demonstrate with their actions that bad boys are actually the most desirable men of all. lol

[MzAsh]

Make no mistake, some do, but only the naive, low value, or damaged girls who do.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh I'm not saying all women date bad boys because they obviously don't, but the majority of straight women are more sexually attracted to bad boys than genuinely nice guys. It's a fact that is obvious to anyone who pays attention but it has also been proven repeatedly in many studies.

[MzAsh]

Women are attracted to good looks, confidence, and zestful energy. It just so happens some bad boys possess these traits. Healthy women aren’t attracted to bad boys because they are bad, but they are attracted to certain traits in spite of them being bad.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh Science has proven that women are irresistibly attracted to men with the "dark triad" personality profile, aka bad boys, regardless of whether or not they are "healthy". lol

[MzAsh]

High value women will absolutely not be attracted to that.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh Many are. Fact

[Elsa143]

I never praised bad boys. I like real nice guys not the fake ones. Read the mytake properly because I didn't said real nice guys are like that. I wrote about bad boys who PRETEND to be nice boys.

[MzAsh]

I agree, Elsa. Men who are loyal, pleasant, responsible, and exhibiting good behavior are the sexiest of men. It’s always easy to spot fake nice guys because they expect to be immediately rewarded for every little thing they do.

[Elsa143]

@MzAsh yeah I don't know why some men are getting offended and assuming that I'm bashing real good boys.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh @Elsa143 I read the MyTake and I understand what you were saying, but the reality of women's behavior is very different. And arguing about it is pointless when women's behavior and science both consistently show that women find bad boys more attractive and sexy than nice guys. I do understand why women deny it, since it creates an image problem for women and encourages men to treat women badly, but that doesn't change the facts.

But regardless, the point I was making in my original post is that the whole "fake nice guys" is nonsense because every man knows that pretending to be nice is actually counterproductive, and it is you women who have taught them that lesson.

[Elsa143]

Yes but some guys are so expert at faking a nice guy trait. That's why I mentioned the subtle signs to spot a fake one.

[MzAsh]

Yeah but they often can’t keep it up for long. You should see my inbox of guys trying to talk to me, then after I reject them, they go bizerk and I have to block them. Because I’m married, to a good man and not a dark triad “alpha” wannabe.

[Elsa143]

@MzAsh Yeah they wanna emotionally manipulate girls to win them. After I got to know that my ex crush was a bad boy I tried my best to resist him and now I am successful at moving on.

[MzAsh]

It’s good that you did. Bad boys are bad boyfriends.

[Opinion Owner]

@Elsa143 But that's the thing, there is no point in guys "faking the nice guy trait" because men know it's not effective.

[MzAsh]

Yet so many do.

[Stephen_77]

You are wrong about bad boys. Women aren't attratced to these men because they are bad, they are just attracted to certain qualities that these men have, such as confidence, personality, and sense of humour. It's usually the bad boys that have the confidence to approach beautiful women and create a spark of sexual attraction between them. But the woman isn't attracted to him because he's "bad." She's attracted to his confidence and the way he interacts with her. A nice guy could do exactly the same thing. He could have the confidence to approach her and create a spark of sexual attraction. It's just a lot of nice guys, for some strange reason, don't seem to have the same confidence as the bad boys. But there are plenty of women who are in relationships with nice guys, the nice guys that had the confidence to approach women and put in the effort. It doesn't matter if a man is a confident bad boy or a confident nice guy, both of these men will be able to quite easily get a woman.

[Opinion Owner]

@Stephen_77 Your assessment of why women are irresistibly attracted to bad boys is wrong.

www.scientificamerican.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

@Stephen_77 ubc-emotionlab.ca/.../tracybeall2011emotion.pdf

[MzAsh]

That first article includes women as well, which a lot of men would deny being attracted to bad girls. But it's true as well. A lot of men here love to call me narcissist, but they usually don't get nasty unless I ignore their filtrations dms. The meaner I am, the more they chase. However, these still are weak minded and many I suspect have a chemical imbalance.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh That article really didn't address sexual attractiveness in the context of dark triad (DT) personality traits, but there are literally dozens of studies that have and they've all found that the DT personality constellation is extremely sexually attractive to women and was evolved in men as a very effective short term mating strategy. Studies have not found the same in men's attraction to DT women, in fact mostly the opposite. That's not to say there aren't men who are attracted to that in women, but generally men find those characteristics in women very off putting and sexually unattractive. Women find them off putting as well, but they are still very sexually attracted to DT men, which sets up the classic cognitive dissonance scenario women experience with men like this. I can't speak to your personal experience but I suspect you are just trying to support your view. If you think of yourself as DT then I don't think you really know what DT is.

[MzAsh]

I’m very interested in the psychological profile of those who would be attracted to dark triad personality traits. Regardless, it is imperative to avoid people who display a pattern of these characteristics regularly as they’ll lead to toxic relationships.

[Stephen_77]

Anybody can post an article, it proves nothing. I go by real life experiences. And you are wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh On that we agree, and typically once they've matured to a point in their lives where they want a partner with whom to raise a family, women will forgo the bad boys and go for a more stable, reliable man who will make a better father and provider. But it is a compromise they are willing to make because they will always be more attracted to the DT men.

[Opinion Owner]

@Stephen_77 LOL, sure thing "dude".

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I have to agree with Anon but I will say that MzAsh seems to be far better about this kind of thing than 80% of GAG gals who've written this kind of stuff. I too have heard that gals are more attracted to the DT personality types and I've seen it myself, time and time again. Now yes, I'm sure guys that are fake exist but it is a bit cliche at this point and nobody seems to get that it's worded badly and biased in that I've rarely heard "nice" girls mentioned even though there are plenty of them. Better off calling them what they are which are "fake" and "assholes." The term "nice" and "jerk" have been switched and that's what leads to harassment, rape, etc. and guys that are often unsympathetic to it.

[cloud9vortex1234]

@MzAsh Is your pussy ok?

[cloud9vortex1234]

@Stephen_77 Scientific American is a very credible source. I'm not saying they're right, but They're usually not the type to post Junk Science.

[2twisted4you]

Also be aware of the fake jerks. A lot of nice guys get tired of finishing behind guys who treat girls like crap so they put on an act.

Or they are tires of being hurt so they act like a jerk as a defense mechanism but really just waiting for those moments when they can be who they really are. Those moments where an actual jerk would perform as a jerk but someone playing the role would do something surprising and heartfelt.

Watch for those guys... they could actually be jerks too. The risk is part of the fun

[Maraneva]

Now I get it. I was probably mistaken for a fake nice guy at work when my female colleagues spread rumours that I wanted to sleep with everyone in the company. What I did to trigger that? I helped people who had to walk after a tiring day at work by dropping them off in their homes in my car. Well, got caught in rumours, got a ton of disgusted looks and lost friends. Got over it finally and now I barely look to the side to see if anyone I know is walking tiredly. Even if I see someone, I wave a quick bye and drive off in my otherwise empty car. People now call me arrogant and selfish. I just smile and carry on 😊🤷

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Bro should have put a board carpooling and charged a bit for them bc now everybody knows nothing is for free so if you charged them they would have appreciated

[Julia0803]

a little "selfishness" goes a long way for your own good...

[Paul09]

Thank you for putting "fake" in front of nice guys. People seem to get very confused between "nice guys" and "fake nice guys". It does suck, gives the actual nice guys à bad name. Seems like a-holes will continue to win in this world. And get away with most of their b. s.

[Elsa143]

So many guys are getting offended here. I never talked about genuine nice guy. I clearly mentioned that a fake nice guy pretends to behave like he's innocent but he has hidden agenda.

[Paul09]

Because some people do not know how to read lol. Or maybe they are the a-holes, and that's why they get offended. Either way we all can agree dating is complicated for nothing.

[departedthe]

I was super nice to a girl I was really into. When she rejected me I distanced myself from her and stopped being her friend. She still comes to me when she needs help and I still help her out. Am I a fake nice guy? Genuinely curious.

[Elsa143]

NO dude. You're genuine because you really loved her. I think most people don't know the difference between FAKE nice guy and REAL nice guy. A fake nice guy is someone who wants to get something like sex from a girl and he plays mind games, act innocent and shy but in reality he's a big manipulator.

[Paul09]

No, but you are too nice now, possibly. And she's using you?

[Elsa143]

Fake nice guy creates his false impression in front of his crush to win her trust then later betrays her.

[Elsa143]

@Paul09 if she's using you then she's a bitch. Get rid of her. There are many girls who pretend to be nice until you finish her work.

[departedthe]

Tahnks coleared out some doubts in my mind

[Paul09]

Like does she do things for you I return, or it's just you always helping her?

[departedthe]

@Paul09 she helps me out depending on her mood, she is just hot and cold, can't read her at all.

[I-C3_ME]

I agree that these guys exist but it really makes me sad, I've got a good friend and he pretty nice and very inexperienced. Known him for a couple years now and he isn't the type of guy to make a move unless there is a clear sign (there never is, I've told him this many times). It just makes me sad that i know he'll get overlooked because of it and now girls might be even more cautious because he may seem "to nice".

[Hangry22]

I agree with everything especially the 5th one. At first it feels like i am teaching them about genitals and anatomy and stuff but as time goes, you learn that mothafucka knew all about it and more. Ya but all the nice fake guys i met were hot and not at all ugly. They had fuckboi features but they weren't

[Anonymous]

What if a guy is called mean, but in actuality he is nice? I'm only interested in the long term and seek marriage. I've turned away a lot of short sighted women and for doing so have been called mean. I like to help people, but am weary of it's perception of advances. I've been called naive, but I am quite wise. I know why women shove their butts in my face or press their breast in my back, but it is very shortsighted and not reciprocated. I help people regardless of how I feel about them as God has commanded, though it is easier and natural to help women I do like. The women I do like aren't brazen and are much more modest. I've been called stupid, gay, and mean because I refused brazen women. I've only been approached by women seeking sex and the women I was attracted to didn't want more either. I know I will eventually find more, but for now I'll live with being called mean.

[R3DthatDude]

True, but if you get to know who you’re interested in, and not be quick to having sex then you won’t have to worry. A mask can’t stay on forever, eventually people reveal themselves to those they get close to.

[Elsa143]

True they can't act all the time.

[Iknowbestgirls]

There are guys out there with the intention of only being nice for a means to an end. Such as getting a woman in bed or trying to get something out of other people.
It's not only guys. Girls can also lead boys on to get what they want out of them then completely disregard them after they get what they want.

[pizzalovershouse]

Yah I've had a few gugs online want to be friends thenthey started out nice but then asked me to hook up with there wife an them what screwed up people even had to block him an another girl cuz we started out chatting nicely here in private then she starts saying she like to peg me 🤪🤪 that soms crazy nuts

[Shy_Steve]

The fact is Women think that a Guy is nice off first impressions but usually bad Guys or mean Guys act like that at first then show there true colours after a while and Girls wonder why he changed when he was not even a nice Guy to begin with.
Majority of nice Guys or good Guys are simply not that confident usually, But you Girls usually like confidence so you end up with that Guy.