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Men should have a say in their child's abortion (Page 6)
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When it comes to childbearing, honestly in my opinion men are excluded in the choice a woman has to make.
I would tell my boyfriend and would listen to what he has to say. We agreed before having sex that we don´t want kids ever and that we always would choose abortion. So men don´t be afraid to make you decision about kids known before agreeing on sex with your partner. Have a plan what to do in case of a accidental pregnancy. My boyfriend even told me that he would support every decision I would make. He don´t want kids but if we both agreed to keep it he would stay and support me.
"in no way am I against abortion"
well everyone should be against it at least a little bit, it is an innocent life after all. Yeah, it's a unique genetic code, half of which belongs to the man, seeing as a man is half of the equation. If a woman aborts a man's child without his consent, that is just so fucked up. If abortion is to happen at all, it should be as an ABSOLUTE last resort
I one hundred percent agree. It may be rare, but I'm sure there are men who would be willing to raise the baby on their own. It's something that should be taken into consideration.
@kaeches
These men willing to raise a baby on their own will have problems to get pregnant and to carry out a pregnancy, to give birth. Using a girl to do it for them is only possible by free choice for a woman. Thus before trying to get a baby, they should get a woman willing to be pregnant and to go through child birth. Forcing a pregnant girl is NOT the way.
@jacquesvol even free will has limitations. That's why we have laws. You don't have the right to kill someone without justification for instance.
Women shouldn't be forced into abortion, but men shouldn't be forced to pay for the kid either.
@StickStickity13
Guys easily forget or overlook that alimony rarely covers half the cost of raising a child. It's not like the man is the only one paying. The woman too pays in money, (her part of the bills)
But she also pays in time and in fatigue and in stress. The guys paying alimony for a kid only pay part of the cost and certainly not any of the trouble.
What inamorata said is spot on. It's the way it will be one day in the future once people pull their heads out of their collective asses and recognize that there are two parents to every child and they should have equal rights and both deserve protection under the law.
Lumos' attitude of "that's just how it is" is the usual gynocentric feminist attitude. It's disgusting and typifies why feminists are so despised today. Anyone who actually believes feminism is about equality is a fool.
That's why you shouldn't be having unprotected sex/getting someone pregnant, who won't let you have a say so in giving birth to a baby or not.
People make the exact same argument when they're trying to argue against women being allowed to have an abortion.
But women should consider what whoever got them pregnant thinks about abortion or keeping the baby also. My point is don't get pregnant or sleep with someone who doesn't share the same views as you about children, abortion etc. it would make things a lot easier.
I'd actually agree. I'd avoid sleeping with someone if I wasn't sure how they'd react in a worse case scenario (unplanned pregnancy).
Personally, I don't believe women should have to give birth when they don't want to. There are too many risks and too much pain involved.
I also believe men should be able to 'opt out' of legal and financial responsibility before the child is born but that's a different issue.
I just think the whole "you slept with her so you lost your say" argument is made redundant by the idea of abortion which is all about fighting (and avoiding) the consequences of conceiving the child.
Okay.. Sure, the man should be able to say, "look, i want to keep this baby." but that's it. A woman shouldn't be forced to carry a child. Period.
That's why there is an option of surrogate mothers
Men should have a say. If he wants to keep the child, the woman should have to carry the baby to term then when the child is born he should get to raise it alone.
If he wants to keep the child, h should only have sex with women who want a pregnancy and want to feel a 6 inch baby head and shoulders going though their 2 inch vagina.
@jacquesvol that's such a cop out. So the solution for avoiding physical and mental difficulty is ending innocent human life? That sounds pretty monstrous. Granted, I can only hope you have found some sort of loop in your irrational thinking to pretend that humans somehow magically come to be. Your mentality could only make sense if humans spontaneously were created. The problem is they aren't. And thus your problem arises.
@ComDom
Human life is created the same way dog's life is created, the same way chicken's life is created. There's no angel bringing a pink gift wrapping with a 'soul' in it.
Didn'tyou know that?
"Human life is created the same way dog's life is created, the same way chicken's life is created. There's no angel bringing a pink gift wrapping with a 'soul' in it.
Didn'tyou know that?"
It's so cool that you completely understand the Universe and that you can disprove the potential for the supernatural. Enlighten me with your knowledge? (sarcasm) First off we have no idea whether there is a soul or not and even if there was none it wouldn't make innocent life any less worth defending. If you want to support evil that's entirely your option. I'd prefer to stand for something worth fighting for.
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@ComDom
" First off we have no idea whether there is a soul or not". Thnx for admitting that.
"and even if there was none it wouldn't make innocent life any less worth defending." You eat "innocent life" with every hamburger or hotdog or steak.
@jacquesvol obviously science has no idea if there is a soul. That's the purpose of faith. Also, not really. Innocent life refers to people not animals. Steak is yum... People not so much.
If I fell pregnant and then my partner didn’t want me but the child then I would question what type of person he was. Why couldn’t he stay with me and see out the pregnancy?
I see what your saying. On the other hand a lot of girls don't want the man but just to have sex, get pregnant, get child support, get the man in trouble, get the man's sperm to make money. There are a lot of reasons why girls don't want the man just his sperm.
So you want to make it possible for men to force a woman to go through 9 months of carrying a baby she doesn't want. Which also leaves legal room for a man who divorces a woman and still forces her to have a baby even after he moves out and she has to stop working in the later months. Come on man. Think better.
The end game for the mother who aborts a child is death in spirit who will ultimately end with her being sent to Hell. The babys innocent soul will rise up to heaven.
So why would any man want to have a say in the murder of a child from the mother.
Men are you willing by choice to accompany her where she's going? So why do you feel so strongly about having a say?
Im sorry but I'm going to be selfish here. Thats OUR child, if you dont want a baby I'll take over and be a single dad after the birth
@Dousj
I luv the 'after the birth' part.
YOU don't have to go through hormonal changes, YOU don't vomit for weeks to months for no reason, YOU don't gain a fuckton of weight, YOU don't go through excruciating pain that is childbirth and YOU are not at risk of dying IN childbirth, also YOU don't go into postnatal depression.
Also, I dont give a fuck, its my kid too. You talk like its 100% of pregancies that result in all those. She can go through 9 months of suck and I'll take the rest for a life time. Then again I don't just go about sowing seeds at random so my answer isn't coming from knocking up sone randon chick.
Not gonna happen. Didn't you know in 2019 if a man and woman both get drunk and have sex she can sue for rape even if she said yes. So the woman is helpless and can't control herself and the man is 100% responsible. Then if a woman was to get pregnant and the man could be well off and willing to raise it on his own if need be it's all 100% on the woman to make the choice. To recap Alcohol means man is 100% responsible for all actions, and sober the woman is 100% responsible for all actions.
We do have a say, it's just gonna go in one ear and come out of the other.
I agree with you 100% it’s a woman’s body no one should force her to have it.
Redundant. With the direction of current medicine and the amount of damage pregnancy does I expect in future the vast majority of children will be gestated in artificial wombs and as both parties contribute 50% of the DNA both parties will have equal say in what happens so disagreements would be settled by either a court or child services or whatever.
I 100% agree with this!
All this “my body” BS bothers me. If they’re so concerned about their body, they wouldn’t have had sex to begin with.
Two people engaging in sex should be 100% willing to responsibly handle the consequences.
abortions IS handling the consequences. it's one of the ways to do that.
@Porcelaine it’s killing a person. Nothing should be handled with the ending of another persons life
it's not murder. murder is ending a life. abortion is when you prevent the life from happening.
@Porcelaine a fetus is still alive
@Porcelaine it's same damned thing!
@Porcelaine and that's not handleing, that's avoiding.
@BrookieCookie0422 It is not killing a "person", it is 'killing' a bunch of non-sentient cells.
@xyz94 that grows to be a baby
Yes, I agree. I feel sad about the two times they went ahead and didn't ask me. I would have agreed they should do it, but I think I ought to have been consulted, all the same.
I think the man should have a say. I mean, if he's willing to take care of the child on his own why the fuck not? It's just plain selfish of the woman to abort that child when there's someone willing to care for it.
If the two are close with each other, the man can have a say, of course. however ultimately, it's her decision, considering it's her body and she's the one who will have to go through the pain and carry it inside of her for almost a year of her life. she's the one who will get fat and feel immense nausea pretty much everyday and have to leave work and all these shitty things will happen to her body until she will finally give birth, which I hear is also insanely painful. If the guy wants to be a father so bad, he can go get another willing girl pregnant. He can have a say, but he does not get to make the woman's decision for her. It's just plain selfish of a man to force a woman into having a child she cannot support or doesn't want. He has no right to make that decision for her. Also, it's cruel to allow an unwanted child to be born into the world in the first place.
I disagree; selfish is turning the woman into an incubator with an egg timer because of the misguided notion that a one night stand after a few shared drinks gives him the ability to force a year-long relationship.
@StopLookingAtMe
"turning the woman into an incubator"? how silly, like the woman didn't have a choice in the matter, it was just all the guys fault. No, selfish is aborting a baby simply for no other reason than "i dont want MY body to change, and I dont want to have to deal with pregnancy and child birth"
@frostnymph uh she doesn't have to support the child, he is. How is the man selfish when he is thinking the child and the woman is simply thinking of herself? The child isn't unwanted if the father wants it either so you aren't making sense.
LOLOL people like you need to stop throwing shit out like "it's cruel to allow an unwanted child to be born into the world in the first place" because we both know you honestly couldn't care less about the kid/parasite. A woman gaining weight is more dramatic to you than ending an innocent life so excuse me if your words carry little to no meaning.
@Longblackveil Exactly it takes two idiots to accidentally get pregnant.
Exactly whachachaking, exactly.
It's really ridiculous how people think these days.
The woman is the one who would have to go through 9 months of pregnancy, through delivery. Not the guy. She isn't just a breeding womb.
@WhaChaChaKing Would YOU want to carry out an UNWANTED pregnancy or would you want to have to pas a 6 inch child head through YOUR 1.5 inch vagina? Delivery can take up to 14 hours.
@Longblackveil yeah, I don't even understand these people.
@jacquesvol Seriously? I'm answering a question about abortion and you don't think it's ever crossed my mind if I would have one? The answer is no and what an idiotic question, you probably won't believe me anyways.
It's just plain selfish of the man to force a pregnancy and giving birth on a woman because he wants a baby.
@WhaChaChaKing it's not a question on whether a woman would have an abortion, it's on whether she should have the *right* to *decide* about having an abortion.
@WhaChaChaKing
Nobody is willing to be pregnant in her place, nobody is willing to have a 6 inch baby head pushed for hours through his 1 inch vagina in her place.
@jacquesvol "Nobody is willing to be pregnant in her place, nobody is willing to have a 6 inch baby head pushed for hours through his 1 inch vagina in her place."
So again the solution to difficulty is to give up? To kill an unborn child? That's the solution. That seems pretty cowardly.