Without feeling like what you said is being "attacked," I just want to point one tiny economic truth out (which cuts right through the anchor that holds the rest of your points together).
Assume ONLY MEN participated in the labor force. If you're a landlord, or food producer, or automobile producer, or energy and gas company, you need to know that each household (i. e., consumer unit) has (average income per laborer) x (1 laborer per household) of total income. Less taxes, you need to determine how much "disposable income" each household has available to spend on your shit per year. Let's take rent as an example.
If each laborer makes $50,000.00 per year, that means each household makes $50,000 per year. Assume taxes equal 40% of total earnings (Fed., SALT, & Soc. Sec.). So, $30,000.00 of disposable income. Assume further that consumers do not allow their annual rent to exceed 33% of their budget (not by preference, but because they can't afford to). So, annual rent cannot exceed (even if the landlord wanted it to) $10,000 per year (i. e., $833.33 per month).
Now... assume "BOTH MEN AND WOMEN" participate in the labor force. Now, each consumer unit's budget equals [(average income per laborer) x (2 laborers per household) x (1 - effective tax rate)]. Long story short, now the average household has $60,000 in disposable income. That means (all else constant), if you're a landlord, that same apartment now goes for $1,666.67 per month.
As a man, if "average" is $50,000.00 per year, and "above average" is $75,000.00, then why can't a man earning $75,000.00 per year provide the kind of lifestyle and security a woman wants (if we take pre-female labor force participation social values into account)? Well, because "all prices in the market" reflect the assumption (and reality) that "BOTH" men "AND WOMEN" ... "CAN" participate in the labor market equally.
Now, if "WOMEN DON'T WANT TO," that's a different issue.
I don't know where you are getting this belief of men "HATING" women who are career women from. My wife is a CPA, who earns just as much as I do. If anything, in my experience as a man (you know, who is part of private male conversation where women are not around to judge), men "HATE" women who are financially "LAZY" and "WANT TO RELY ON" a man as their "CAREER CHOICE" or "FINANCIAL PLAN."
So, I don't think what you believe about male preferences is consistent with actual male preferences.20 Reply
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+1 yThe real problem isn't with women having jobs, it's with women choosing their job over family and also the women who work but then are not OK with the father being the one to stay at home himself while she works. Somebody has to take care of the kids, so if both parents are to work, one is probably just going to keep a part-time job if need be. (I've heard from many women that they didn't enjoy being the 'bread-winner.')
This means that a lot of women who do choose to spend all that time and money furthering their education might not be so open to having kids in the first place, as they aren't willing to give up their career to start a family. This is the problem most men who desire family have with career women, it's difficult to have kids while still maintaining an actual career at the same time. Would a woman who worked so hard to achieve that career be willing to give it up to raise kids? You say so, but it seems the opposite from what I read so often online. Many men want kids but they're finding out that most of the "career women" around them won't make for good mothers because they won't have the time to be such. As you may have read from others who answered this question, the career woman tends to be lonelier and much unhappier than the women who were not and who had kids earlier.
I personally don't believe that a woman would be obsessed with a career to establish herself for kids in the future. The thing about money is that you can never have enough of it, so that doesn't make sense. She's obsessed with her career because she doesn't want kids in the future, or if she does have them, she doesn't want to care for them.86 Reply- +1 y
That is very true. Some woman I have met feel that men could be more understanding and I'm like but why do men always have to pick the kids up from practice or take them to school or the other way around. if you have kids they need both and parents need to be there both not just working all the time one doesn't have priority over the other. This is something I've noticed many military and civil service jobs have down but others seem to lack
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As a working career mom, I have to say that there is a false argument here implying that women choose their jobs over their kids. It's usually forced on us. We are constantly torn between our responsibilities at the office and our responsibilities at home. Since keeping our bosses happy is what keeps a roof over our heads and food on the table, work usually becomes the priority. It's unfortunate, and it's something that we agonize over all the time.
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@Torquoise46 that part is true to in the USA many woman are still frowned upon and looked down on as well as given less pay for working and it's been years since woman's rights started
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@Oldsoulswiccangirl I do market research and I read some interesting research that made a lot of sense to me about the age difference. They say it doesn't actually have to do with gender, but the fact that men tend to be more aggressive negotiators when they are hired. I certainly know this to be true myself. I should have asked for a lot more money when I started but I didn't feel confident to do so.
According to the research that I read, men will also apply for jobs even if they don't have many of the skills required, whereas women are much less likely to apply for a job if they don't have at least 90% of the listed skills. - +1 y
"Wage difference"
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wow I wasn't aware of that!
+1 yFirst of all, the United States does have maternity leave. You can get 3 months of time off and you will not lose your job. It's just unpaid leave.
Secondly I don't know where this idea that men hate working women comes from. I do know that a lot of men prefer not to date single moms because we are very busy and overwhelmed, and they want a woman who is available to spend a lot time with them. That makes perfect sense.
The only guys I've ever gone out with since my divorce were single fathers who have kids at home, because the single guys or non-custodial dads who have tons of free time just aren't interested.31 Reply- +1 y
Plus, for 6 weeks they can get SSI after having a kid and get to choose when to do that during the first year of having them. Fathers can get that too.
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+1 yThis is something that is baffling to me too. It's like, they want a woman who wants to stay at home to care for the kids and home, but then lord forbid she needs his money since uh, hello, she's devoting most (or all if she's a stay at home mom) in the house!
They bash women who want to work but then bash women who want to stay at home. You can't have it both ways.
Of course it's not all men, but too many men complain and contradict about this crap.63 Reply- +1 y
Why can't the woman work and support the family then and the man stay home and take care of the house and kids? I'm sure he would be better at helping them with school work anyways.
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@AynonOMouse because that's not what most men want
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+1 yBecause they want their cake and to eat it too. They want to say things like "oh look at how my superior material possessions" but they also want people to think THEY'RE the ones who was able to buy those material goods. Not their female partners.
They also need to protect their fragile male egos by not lowering themselves to care for their children or home. Obviously those are things wo- i mean MOTHERS should do. https://i.imgur.com/jBrsZiI.gif16 Reply- +1 y
Nah, I would be a much better care taker than most women. I wish I could find a woman that would provide for me while I stay home and take cre of the house and kids. So easy for me.
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@AynonOMouse Considering you can't even spell caretaker properly I seriously doubt that.
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Men are far more capable at doing the stuff at home than women are. The physical part of it is easier because of superior physical ability. Just a fact. It doesn't take much effort for a man to do the same stuff.
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@AynonOMouse If you're so great at it why can't you even spell it right?
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Because I was typing fast. One word even had the letters in the wrong order if you looked. I even work at a school, passed CBEST on my first try and find it easy dealing with kids. You have no idea how many I have helped when their parents aren't capable. Not just with educational curriculum, but also emotional issues.
Spelling means next to nothing online anyways because people can just use spell check and pretend they know what they are doing if they take the time for it. - +1 y
@AynonOMouse I'm p dubious.
+1 yThese dont sound like adult men who know what they want. You can't have one without the other. Do you want a stay at home mom/wife? Or do you want a career woman? personally i plan on working part time when i marry, then not working after i have children. i see too many women trying to be superwoman running themselves ragged and not taking care of themselves. not me.
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+1 yI really feel badly for you. Why? Because while your argument makes logical sense, it completely leaves out the heart of the matter. God (I don't care if you believe in Him or not) created is to compliment each other. Despite how society portrays men, we are actually kind, caring, ultra- sensitive creatures deep down. We all are. Even the rough ones.
Society has lead us to believe that woman are the kind, caring, sensitive ones, and while this is true, it is conditional and based on how much she believes she is slighted, respected, and loved. Our need for femininity and feminine comfort is so ingrained in us that some men will even try taking it by force.
Now to the point. Men will deny this, and hate me for saying it, but we want to be loved. Not just physically and sexually, but truly, softly, gently, tenderly, with all of your heart, nothing held back.
If you are out making the benjamins, you are immersing yourself in a world that is going to, at the very least, harden you to it's harsh reality, and make you a colder person. When we get home you probably aren't going to be there. And when you get home you sure as hell aren't going to want to be tender with us. You're going to be exhausted.
So all of our lives we have been searching for someone to pour out our love into, and when you get home, it isn't you. Yeah, your bank account has money. But our heart of hearts, our truest self goes on deprived of your affection.
If you cannot accept this, please, do not ever seek a man. DO not ever promise a man your heart, not even with a look. Stay to yourself and die alone, because that is our reality. To do otherwise makes you a selfish and uncaring woman, and I pity the man who gives you his heart, because he sure won't get yours in return.
For those couples who must each work a job, I am sorry, but that does not invalidate anything I've said here. Attitude is everything. If your woman can come home with a softened heart, ready to work two jobs (One making money, the other making her husband content) then she is a prize jewel. Most women are not capable of it and do not want to be capable of it.10 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI come before you today to dispute all of the reasons people have for why it is good to have a wife who works.
1. “It is good to have a breadwinner wife you sap! More money for you!”
There isn’t more money for you. It is her money. Traditional men look at women as sacred possessions and take pride in providing for their women and children. Women, even good women, just don’t have this characteristic. Money she earns is her money and she isn’t going to be smart with it.
When we were living on my decent but smaller income, we actually had a savings. When she started making twice the money, I bowed out and let her deal with the finances. It was a complete mess for two years. No savings, spending $200 at the grocery store and coming home with nothing for dinner, leased car, and purchased but unworn clothes and more.
She had more respect for my money in the beginning then she did for our combined money later on. Go figure that out.
2. “You now have time to pursue more masculine past times such as hunting, fishing, or extreme body building.”
Unless you quit your job, there isn’t more time or money (see above) for masculine interests. It is actually the same amount of time you had before, except now you get to be the beta when you go home. If she has a career that requires lots of hours, you will find that you have to construct your life according to your wife’s job schedule—whether that’s planning the vacation, weekend trip, or what time the family is going to eat dinner.
3. “The challenges of being married to a ‘strong’ woman will push you to reach your untapped potential”
A woman who works 8-10 hours a day is a tired, worn out, and cranky woman every day of the week. Expect very few breaks from this reality. She just doesn’t have the stamina that you do as a man. When it is 7 p. m. and she hasn’t had time to cook, clean, work out, or anything, she is going to be in a bitchy, nagging mood. Not the best environment for self-improvement.
On one hand, you can just do all the housework. It only takes about an hour anyway. But then, she will lose respect for you faster than she already was from being the breadwinner. She doesn’t want the guy at home washing her panties, so kiss your sex life goodbye. Additionally, due to her likely Type-A personality, she will become threatened if you try to improve yourself any higher than your status as designated laundry bitch.03 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 y4. “Your wife will love you even more for supporting her Career Ambitions!”
While she was breadwinner, I went through a period where I did the cooking and cleaning when I got home from work just to make the evenings more pleasant. My firsthand experience is she actually won’t love you more or appreciate your support. She will lose respect for you.
We all know what happens when your woman doesn’t respect you. It sucks for all involved. Do a quick search and read the blogs and comments where breadwinner wives discuss their “husbands.” If men talked about their housewives like that, they would be thrown in jail.
5. “You just feel emasculated because of outdated societal constructs- it is all in your head! Quit complaining!”
The truth is you lose a large part of your masculinity by not being the breadwinner. Once you see how your in-laws have no respect for your authority (because you have none) or how your wife...
Opinion Owner+1 y... talks down to you constantly (because she doesn’t respect you), you will understand.
So you feel emasculated that your wife makes more? That means there is hope for you! Your balls can still drop back down to their original dangling position they were in before! Go hug your old man – he probably did right by you if you feel this way.
I survived and so can you. With diligent effort towards self-improvement, this too shall pass. Tips to help specifically navigate yourself out of this situation is a another conversation for another day.
I believe that knowledge is power. I only know three men whose wives are the breadwinner that seem content. One of them coaches baseball and two of them are Green Berets. The guy who coaches baseball just wants to coach baseball. Green Berets say they need independent women that can manage through their long and frequent deployments.
Opinion Owner+1 yMost men I know whose wives are the breadwinner, however, are either dissatisfied with their personal life or are very meek in nature. So be careful, be knowledgeable, be particular, and plan accordingly.
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someone must have really hurt you... please change the guys you hang out with cz they the ones with that mentality... it simply means you're with the wrong guy, stop denying it and blaming it on every other guy n find the right one... n you'll know cz if a man really loves n cares he'll support you in everything you do.
about career women i have no problem with that as long as you create time for your family cz let's face it we're all thankful to our mums you're here cz of her if she neglected you n focused on work you'd be different... again its OK to work have your own money but the moment it starts affecting the family it becomes an issue which we have to discuss both of us.
women valuing guys for how much money they have... well we make a big deal cz 70% of you will leave our ass once that money gone... which happens as you put it... people lose jobs... get fired... go bankrupt...
we're simply tryna see if you're in the 30% bracket we don't deny that its essential for you to find a guy who's financially stable... we're not stupid we know its crucial... if he's making a big deal out of it he's probably seeing you in the 70% n needs convincing.
so stop tryna act all "girl power" n show us you're in the 30% bracket... we'll gladly accept.10 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Its more like the knowledge of knowing your doing a favor rather than feeling of need. It feels nice to help out someone but kinda feels like a chore if she seems unable to support herself.
The reason so many guys dont like feminism much in the current age is the use of "all men" are this and that. And the MASSIVE generalizations. And it kills the rate guys are going to try to date women if they all jump on the miss conceptualized way of defining what type of men they are looking for. Its like someone saying they have a sweet tooth yet they only eat a very little amount and only one type of sweet. Its a huge contradiction that just leaves men dumbfounded to try and translate. As if women weren't already confusing enough.(Yes, guys can be confusing too.)
Men really dont really care about the size of the wallet so much are you able to be self sufficient. There is a huge difference between leaning and laying on the other half. As I see it women might think more about maybe offering up to pay their half occasionally. As that opens up the avenue of guys having money to do other things. Such as save up to go on fancy trips or dates more often.10 Reply"... since the U. S still doesn't have maternity leave"? are you kidding me?
look.. everything is good in moderation. You have some good points about the extremes... if you want a stay at home wife... be financially secure... but dont hate on a career driven woman... absolutely right.
BUT... every man is different and most are in the Middle of that... the man does his thing and the woman does her thing... and when kids come in, they BOTH contribute...
Yea, I've heard this bullshit on the internet as well but what i just said is how it should be... sad part... its usually the woman that has to give up her stuff for the kids... so the man BETTER be on point.10 Reply- 2.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yGenerally, there is a lack of appreciation for men. More importantly, women are allowed to be the victim, for example poor single mothers. In every part of society, men are instructed to do this, buy women this, treat women like this, etc. However, there's no reciprocity. Men want to feel special too and be appreciated. Even the most hard core feminists agree that men should pay for dates all of the time. Most women want to have their cake and eat it too. Women, also, don't take the responsibility of choosing their men. If these men are losers or bad, who's fault is it that they became your partner?
63 Reply Men want career women... they just don't want women to let everything take the back burner for that career. And women tend to do that for reasons I can't just seem to out into words. It's like they've been told that having a career validates them, makes them strong, makes them equal and all around brings respect. The issue is that the respect and the validation doesn't reach the house. When I was eleven I didn't want my mother to throw me a big birthday party or buy me those fancy shoes, I just wanted her to call me and say happy birthday and she didn't. Guess who did: my dad.
I dont know if that was adequate but basically, women have great relationships with their friends, their colleagues, their bosses, investors, shareholders and forget to have relationships with their immediate family like the husband and kids.20 ReplyIf a man needs to be a money making prospect, provide financial security before you date or sleep with him then you are by very definition a whore/prostitute, and i challenge you to prove that wrong.
To the main question, men will far prefer a career women to a whore, the thing is women are intrinsically hypergamous, and if they earn as much or more than their male partner, chances are they will look elsewhere for a more successful mate as being hypergamous they believe they could get better, and believe their vagina needs to be payed for in some way. Men know this be it subconsciously or not, and thus will be wary of a women with a decent amount of money. A bit of a a catch 22 situation for men. Note that neither women nor men do this out of pure malevolence but rather as a biologically innate behavior that is not though deeply about.30 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Where do you live, Iran? Most guys I know are HAPPY to have a woman with a good job. Makes it a lot easier on us.
And no, it isn't unreasonable to expect a man to be financially responsible and earn a living. But a golddigger isn't someone who just wants a guy who can support a family, it is someone who expects a guy to support her ostentatious habits and buy her crap on Rodeo Drive.120 Reply
+1 ythat's a broad generalization
but I think its actually the amount of women that BRAG about being working women and working moms.
I never hear guys post "I'm a single dad with two jobs" Cause that'd just be expected of a single dad
but then its a single mom, its brave and amazing
(don't get me wrong i love my mom, bless her <3)
So I think its mostly that they're sick of hearing it. not that "they want women out of the workplace"
And guys who complain about gold-diggers from my experience have usually dated someone like that. Which in my opinion, gives them the right to complain.
And guys make a big deal about it because being financially secure in this day and age is IMPOSSIBLE. Lower your standards lady.21 Reply- 543 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yShe has kids. She chose some other dude instead of him. Her previous bad decisions with a guy who wasn't fit to be a father now left her with a burden and resonsibilty as a single working mother. He doesn't have kids. She wants him to treat her kid, who he has NO genetic ties to, like his son. She wants him to ease her burden of single-motherhood. He sees other women that made better life choices and didn't shack up with a dumbass, get pregnant, then babydaddy left. That woman is more attractive than the single mother. Just have to deal with the consequences of that decision.
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+1 yI've found, through digital and social interactions, that most guys feel threatened by strong women. Yes, I know this has been echoed by feminists but it's true. Guys instinctively feel like they need to be the provider and working moms and women are seen as being man eaters etc. The good news though is that not all guys are like this, in fact it's the minority. Lots of guys appreciate strong, independent women because they are often not clingy cause they have been self sufficient before. These type of guys are often insecure about their own manhood and wouldn't make a good mate, anyway.
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This has not been my experience at all. Men are not generally intimidated by strong women. Rather, they are put off by the ego and "chip on the shoulder" that so often comes along with a "strong woman". I find men are quite attracted to smart, strong and successful women who are nice and easy to get along with. That's an important distinction that sadly gets little attention.
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@backdoorman good one
+1 yWe don't hate them, stop crying.
Like I've always said, women who claim they're being rejected because they're career driven is like guys complaining they've were rejected for being nice.123 Reply- +1 y
You're the man
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I mean that as a compliment, not an insult. Apparently its hard to tell
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@cuddlenation1994 Lol I took it as a compliment hhah Thanks xD
Well... Finally the fire from a stand /up woman I agree with. It's about time to hear it for what it really is. Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm a married man who enjoys my children's mother to be all she can be , although want her to stay home to raise the children along with myself also. I'm financially retired since I was 18 . I bought her two big businesses to operate out of her own home office. Both of us run our business from two separate home offices. I would like her home instead , so I made this all possible for her to have a career and be financially secure to say the least as well as myself. So with this said , I do agree with this. Men , I'm in the position to have as I wish for her as well as myself and I'm not dismissing some of the less fortunate others that might not be in a position that I am.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI have been wondering this for so long. I have no idea what guys want anymore. I'm a doctor, so most guys literally become disinterested and think i won't be able to be a good mother or something. I get told all the time i am attractive and i get guys to ask me out and have been on many dates and then... after i mention my career... they slowly ghost... its never failed. I guess i will end up single after years of dating. I just feel mentally drained and tired from it all. A part of me wishes that a guy would just love me :'( and not see my white medical coat. You know guys i'm still a girl who wants to be loved under that white coat :'(
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For me personally why I wouldn't date a doctor is because that profession tends to take lots of time and attention, unless you have a clinic or something with set hours. Many of them have to work odd hours and very long hours too. That might be their concern also. Do you work in a hospital, or a clinic, or somewhere else if you don't mind me asking?
Opinion Owner+1 y#AynonOMouse :'( :'(
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Sorry, but I don't understand with the emojis and no words.
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As was stated, a doctor might not have the proper schedule for motherhood or even dating. They might feel that they'd be the stay-at-home dad instead if kids were ever involved. There's also the question of your salary, most people are of the impression that doctors make quite a lot. Some men who know they might not make nearly as much might find it off-putting. Personally, I'd date a doctor but I doubt a doctor would go for me, because as I said, I probably don't make nearly as much as what she might. It isn't false when you hear that women don't usually date men who make less money than they do. Would you be happy with being the 'bread-winner' in a relationship? I've heard from many women that they didn't enjoy it.
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why dont you work for a few scheduled hours in a medical office of yours? in the hospital you'll be working all day long. if you had your own office in the city you could be a mother as well.
Opinion Owner+1 y#levantine99 Thank you for the suggestion. I actually told guys about that, but they still left me :(
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then sorry hun but you have other issues going on. i knew of a doctor, incredibly smart woman, hot as hell. she was super tall, super sexy, a luscious blonde with seductive face, supermodel material. but she had issues. she dated only men who'd treat her like shit. guys that were the cum and dump type. she is 40 and still single. maybe you have your issues as well.
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If you worked at a clinic, so you still had time for your family, I would then be fine with dating a doctor. You could be the provider and I could be the househusband and take care of the home and family, as long as you made time for me when you are off work.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI don't think men would mind being valued from their money if women were hinest about it and acknowledged that's what they want, and they acknowledged their double standards when it comes to gender roles. Men are just sick of the double standards and hypocrisy that is rampant among women today. Women are ALL about equality when it comes to abolishing gender roles they don't like, but when it comes to gender roles that benefit them, they either deny them or try to justify them. THAT is what men hate.
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Opinion Owner+1 y*honest
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yBecause not every man is the same?
Some men would like to have a stay at home wife and don't mind paying for her.
Some men would like to have a stay at home wife and do mind paying for her.
Some men would like to have a working wife and don't mind paying for her.
Some men would like to have a working wife and do mind paying for her.
Not all men are the same and you will get varying answers depending on what the man prefers. Men aren't a uniform collective. Also, I don't think most men are complaining about your scenario but about girls who have no intention of settling down but just want to date around for free stuff.
Personally I wouldn't mind being a stay at home dad and if that's going to be the case I'd be worried too if the mother of my children isn't financially stable.40 Reply
+1 yMost guys I know prefer a women to be earning a wage , and contributing to the household.
The majority of women I know with kids, whether single or with their SO , actually go back to work after their maternity leave is over. I've never heard of any guys complaining about that. It's important for ALL women to pursue a career.10 Reply504 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Someone would have to be incredibly dense to think like this, I'm not saying it isn't possible, I might know a guy or two like this, but I think most men are in the middle or on opposite sides (ex. they see issues with some women rating them by money but then it splits into they want a housewife or don't.)
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+1 yThere's no contradiction here. Few guys hate women who have to work to help support the family. That doesn't have anything to do with women judging us by our wallets.
Actually the really hip women these days don't care about wallets. They want a tax return.10 Reply
+1 ybecause they do both they want to be independent yet you have to pay for them. so they end up making loads of money for them selves while your still forced to pay. there this guy in my college and he doesn't have a job his [ex]girlfriend does and she expected him to pay and where is the logic in that
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+1 yFirst of all, I'm a man who doesn't working women, in fact I prefer them, I would die of boredom if I had a housewife.
But... you completely lost the nuance here: a housewife should naturally value a stable provider husband, but that doesn't mean she can't love him for who he is first and it also doesn't mean he needs to be rich.
It's really not that different from how a woman doesn't want her husband to be with her only for her looks but she does want him to find her beautiful.10 Reply
+1 yBig assumption.
I'm going to be an anesthesiologist and I'm very career oriented and my boyfriend is more than okay with it.
Though there is the stereotypes that women should be in the house and some men on conservative shitlords so they stick to that.00 Replyi had an argument with a guy on here because he was saying I'm a gold digger eben though I have a good job, my own house, my own car, and financially stable on my own and he argued "your a gold digger because women have been dependant on men sinse the beginning of time and everything you have now is because of us men" blah blah blah. like wtf?
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Sounds like he was after a reaction thats not exactly a reasoned argument it seems like a drown you out taketic. Talking shit but saying it with a lot of conviction and repeatedly.
+1 yWhere I live toonnss of guys only go for career chicks, so they don't have to work hard. So vice versa can happen! I think having a secure partner is an excellent idea.
30 ReplyWe are not attracted to women who turn them selves into men, have a career men don't care, but don't be like Hillary Clinton /yuk.
It's shitty parenting we don't like because it ruins society, working moms/single moms = shitty moms.
You're misunderstand Gold Digging, it's an issue of appropriate expectations for material possession and valuing someone for who they are instead of what they earn. This is a big issue that most women never bother to understand.22 Reply
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Didn't even watch the video did you?
+1 yI have always wondered the same thing, because men don't know what they want and really are immature. Women must not let them define us, stand on your own two feet, you are a grown up. He is a selfish overgrown child and don't you forget... a brat.
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+1 yYa geez... a wall of text. Re-write it into some coherent sentences and put them in paragraphs... then we'll read it.
Oh, and you're trying to mix two different things together when they're not. It's not that confusing, and no one can do everything - it's physically impossible. This is what the strong and independent are finding out.10 Reply
+1 yWomen do have decisions about career and children. Either work and come home around dinner, or quit her job to be with the kids. The later makes it harder for men to be the financial supporter, and it may even mean having to move houses if payments become harder to pay.
When divorce happens, women normally receive the better end of the deal and can make things harder for men to pay for child support and then make payments to her too like alimony.30 Reply
+1 yI think that as a unit there needs to be two incomes coming into the family. I am wholeheartedly with working moms and career women. All the power to them
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 ythey hate misandric, feminist, slutty, single mommish, where did all good men go whining kind of career women. know the difference.
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Ha ha. Yep, exactly this. ^^
+1 yThis is like... Eh..
Unless you are some rich dude that makes over 2000 € after taxes per month, you are EXPECTING your wife to have a job. What you do not want, man or womab, is your partner to be a stakanovist 100% focused on his or her job who spend no time with family and friends.20 Reply
+1 yMy wife is a career woman. I don't hate her. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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+1 ya lot of men do not like a woman that works a lot because that means she will have less time to spend with him and satisfy his needs. People want what they want when they want it.
20 Reply They don't, you are just lumping opinions of two completely different groups of people and pretending that they are one.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yCan I just say thanks for voicing my thoughts almost exactly
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+1 yif guys don't women working but also don't want to be valued for their money then it seems somewhat hypocritical
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+1 yWe aren't against women having careers. We're a bit wary of them because a lot of women with good careers get a kick out of making sure the guys they're with feel useless.
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+1 yI haven't come across too many men that didn't want thier wife to work. Not sure what circles you run in. Maybe change the type of people you hang out with.
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+1 y*looks around*
... Since when did guys hate working women?32 Reply 2.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Not all are like that. The only thing I don't like are stupid single moms. But I have no problem with career women doing their thing. And I don't mind single moms either just not the ones that are stupid and abuse their kids.
10 Reply509 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I've never complained about having women in the workplace. I'm pretty sure most guys are fine with having a wife/gf who works.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yI have seriously never come across a site where women know so little about men as this one.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI am training to be a psychologist and my partner a computer programmer... We still want kids and neither of us plan to give up our jobs entirely... We are both going to take time raising our kids together, I don't see the issue with that...
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+1 yI love women who make money. Both of us working means more money coming in the household.
30 Reply1.5K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Because gold diggers have no interests on being stay at home moms.
Career women are just depressed cute men. You can either have children and be a happy stay at home mom or you can go to work and play the man and suffer from your depression.04 Reply- +1 y
Are you trying to say no one enjoys their job, and being a parent and raising a family isn't worth anything? Some people enjoy their jobs and are happy with them, and raising a family can be rewarding... That being said, what is wrong with a couple wanted to work together to do both, each work and help with the family... I don't see why one has the be the depressed breadwinner and the other happy homemaker...
+1 yI don't care if you're a barefoot street urchin and we're living in the sewers together, as long as we have each other.
How about that?00 Reply
+1 yI dont hate career women
or working moms
but women today are soooooooo
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+1 yThese men are dumbasses. Who wouldn't like a women who can make her own money! If she wants to find an equal or better , nothing wrong with that!
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yThat's because men are stupid. They bash on feminism then say "pay for your own meal it's equality."
Actually I wouldn't say stupid but they only think about themselves.05 Reply- +1 y
That actually is equality if each person pays for their own way.
Opinion Owner+1 y@AynonOMouse yes it is... so you're a feminist then?
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Not by modern standards where many of them just hate men and want all the advantages with none of the responsibilities.
I do think it is better if each person pays for themselves when first dating so neither of them feel like they owe the other person anything, and don't feel like they were used just for money. Then once they have established a relationship, take turns paying and doing stuff for each other.
I don't believe in equality in all areas of a relationship though. I think one person should be more in charge of the important decisions, especially when raising kids because if both people disagree on something then no decision could be made if it was truly equal all the time. Then if that person has repeatedly made bad decisions with negative outcomes in that particular area, let the other person be in charge of those decisions to see if things turn out better. - +1 y
I think both people should contribute to supporting the family, but neither should be workaholics, focusing too much on making as much money as possible at the expense of family time together.
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+1 yI wasn't aware I hated career women. Thanks for letting me know.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yHaven't you notice that? Those guys want women who wouldn't have a job&take care of baby and their husband&don't wanna money at all doing all these things = idiots lol
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Opinion Owner+1 yOr they want women who work and take care of family at the same time xD
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yHow about you work and be the provider and the guy stays at home, raising the kids and doing the house work and preparing dinner?
Would you be okay with that?12 Reply- +1 y
I totally would! Except I hate my job so I'd rather the guy work at something he enjoys, and I only work part time or do consulting or something.
Opinion Owner+1 y@Turquoise46 Aww, too bad you aren't younger. I would like to have the role of a traditional housewife (except I would be a house husband) while the wife is the provider and I get to take care of the family. That sounds so nice.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI suspect you're confusing two largely separate sets of guys.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 ytldr
But I'd only be with a career oriented woman because it shows she's passionate and committed to something. Women should always make their own money anyway10 Replythe only women I dislike are those that generalise all men by what a few do, like you ☺
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+1 yThe guys you are talking about are useless to begin with.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI think its different for everyone. some are more traditional and want gender roles. some want the roles flexible or reversed. some are just picky or stingy or gold diggers.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 ybecause men know, women won't go for a guy, unless he's got a job that's good enough to support a family, just like men generally won't go for "ugly" women
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