No, I am not. Because they are more selective than we are at mating, they are the Stewards of Human Evolution meaning that females have been practicing a form of eugenics which, over thousands of generations, has caused that instinct to come into existence. Look at our patriarchal societies and religions. They are exactly so because we are engaged in that function... so much so, we don't trust females to protect themselves adequately to our standards so, in the spirit of "If you want something done right, do it yourself.", our societies and religions are mostly patriarchal. However, all the REAL power exists with women. Look at Iroquois society... Sure, the chiefs are males, but they have a matriarchal society and the chiefs can be overruled by the clan mothers.
Interesting. But a lot of patriarchal societies have quite severe capital punishment for women who behave a certain way. Especially sexually. But also for things like trying to get an education. So it seems like the instinct to protect only goes so far
Another thing then is, who are you protecting us from? If it is in fact innate, that means the overwhelming majority of men feel this way, that would mean there should never be a threat to us also. But obviously that's not true. The biggest threat women are men
@nalaa Yes, we are like that. You are not male, so you don't have that instinct. As to what you describe, yes, it's hard to explain... it's analogous to something called emergent behavior in a system as well as further evolved behavior. 1000 characters is not going to cut it... Social mores and norms exist to minimize social civil unrest. So, for instance, murder is bad because revenge by family memers leads to escalation. With women, men's sex drive is strong enough to also contribute to social civil unrest. Of course women a bit too. So, societies and religions create rules to prevent infidelity and that works against both. In some societies, it is taken too far.
Meanwhile, if you feel that we are your greatest threat, then live without us. We don't need you. When we are older, we realize this which is why older single women have a rougher time finding partners. Our tolerance for drama and instability goes way down.
If men have an obligation to protect and provide for women then women have an obligation to return what they receive and are equally obligated to obey the man (how else is he suppose to be responsible for her safety if she ignores him?) and raise and nurture children while maintaining the home. The fact is its a give and take so either we are all obligated to perform a certain task or none of us are. Anything else is hypocrisy and parasitic.
No. Make your own bed, woman! Unless you're smoking hot. Then I will gladly make the bed if I can get into your pants. Until, I don't want to.
Joking aside, it's a dumb idea for any 1 partner to work and provide for the other. It has never been the case because women has been working their asses off since the dawn of time. They didn't get paid for their work and we somehow didn't count that.
Sure, I will provide for woman if that is what she wants, but it is a packaged deal. You traditionally seek men's support financially, then at the same time, you should traditionally get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich when I tell you to do so.
Nope, guys have an obligation (just like women) to get out there and find what they want and when they find it find a way to make it work. If providing is a role you fall into then so be it but it's not an out right obligation, it's a choice and a role like any other. It's your decision...
Yes and No. People are completely capable of protecting and provide themselves. There are no obligations in mundane circumstances. When it comes to a wife, sister, mother, aunt, grandma, cousin or girlfriend then we have to always protect them. Provide for them when you have to.
It's part of us and instinctual yes but we by no means have an obligation to, we choose to do because we want to because we're supposed to, not because we have to.
We're do our duty treat you like a lady but if you are rude, act like a bitch and don't treat us as gentleman in the same manner out of respect.
Both men and women have an obligation to protect and provide for eachother in a relationship should the other be in need of it. Relationship should be muturally beneficial.
YES, men have an obligation to provide for and protect their wives. YES, women have an obligation to provide for and protect their husbands.
Marriage is a PARTNERSHIP. Not a one-way welfare program. This is a universal value which means it holds true for all (universal) circumstances. Think about it, what if two guys get married or two women? This value works in those situations as well.
It all depends on you education and what's your mentality. It is no your obligation but if you want you can help in the monetary part. In protection it is you obligation, normally men do it wanting or not. It is burden all men carry. That is my opinion you choose if its right or wrong, but I do hope it was useful to you.
Nope. Unless she is someone I care about then I would just stand there and watch a man beat the crap out of a woman, rob her, rape her, or whatever. No reason for me to help. Maybe I could hand her a sign promoting feminism that says, "I don't need a man" While she is being beaten. That would be hilarious. :)
It has nothing to do with being a or a woman... as human beings we have a moral obligation to step in when we see a stronger person hurting a weaker person if, when and how we are able. If you could honestly just walk by and do nothing when you saw someone being beaten or raped, you're a fucking horrible person. If you are afraid to physically step it, that's understandable but at least call 911 ffs
@Sara413 I'm not afraid at all. But just because someone is being beaten and is weaker, doesn't mean they don't deserve it. Some people do very bad things and they deserve what they get. If both people are strangers to me, I have no reason to believe one is completely innocent and the other isn't.
Beating or raping someone is ALWAYS wrong. If the person being abused did something to provoke the attack, that still doesn't justify violence. If you don't want to step in, fine, but any halfway decent person would at least call the police...
And there is NOTHING that could ever, EVER justify rape. That is sick. You are sick.
@Sara413 Only weak people think violence isn't justified. If someone cheats on their partner, runs up their credit cards, and tries to turn their kids against them, I would say that torturing and killing the person is completely justified. ~ I didn't mean rape was justified, but I still wouldn't help anyone I don't already know and care about. I know they wouldn't do the same for me.
You believe torture and murder are justified? Jesus Christ...
If someone cheats on you, runs up your credit cards, or turns your kids against you what that justified is you leaving and potentially taking them to court. Nothing justifies violence, and if you believe violence is justifiable in any circumstances other than self defense, you are a seriously sick fuck and I hope no woman ever has the misfortune of becoming involved with you...
@Sara413 If a woman did those three things to me, I would become violent like that. It is just weak scummy people that want to get away with treating others that way. If I was on a jury, I would also vote not guilty if someone did the same.
Then you have serious problems that you need to deal with. Normal people don't allow themselves to become enraged into violence. If you are at risk of becoming violent in the face of any real or perceived injustice, you are not in a position to be getting into a relationship with anyone. It's better for you and for others if you remain alone.
Being prone to violence doesn't make you strong. It makes you a loser.
@Sara413 Nope. The people that purposely screw over others are the losers. Only weak people dislike violence because they will lose. They want to screw over others with no consequences. God is violent too because of people's immoralities. His values are superior to anything another Human could ever say.
Oh wait. I checked your profile and saw that you are a feminist. Now I get it. You will never understand logic. That is why you think it is fine to treat people like crap and they should just take it. Makes sense now that I know how you think.
No, I don't think it's ok to treat people like crap. I treat people with respect as a default mode of behaviour and I expect the same courtesy from others.
Just because I don't think violence is the appropriate response to poor behaviour doesn't mean I think such behaviour is ok. That's ridiculous.
Not sure if "obligation" is the right word. However, it is the morally responsibility of the man to provide for his wife and kids and also to take care. of his mother, specially when she gets older. Remember, I am only keeping women in the scope of my answer.
@HaveNoName Nobody is responsible for anything. If you believe in responsibility, then you believe that women are responsible for bringing a baby into the world when baby is conceived and if she aborts, that she's failing her responsibilities.
@tugg-A You can keep bringing up your arguments. That's fine. Its your opinion. I'm not even seeing your argument relevant to the actual question. So... Peace out.
There's no obligation but majority of men do it because they feel it's the right things to do. They want to be the provider cause it make them feel manly and protect women because they're weaker than them.
I only think my parents or blood relatives have ever had the obligation to protect me or make sure I don't die. Though-someone would be pretty crummy if they let me like bleed out in the open or something.
It's not an obligation, it's more like a courtesy. It would be nice, but women aren't entitled to it by any means. Unless they're married and they both explicitly agree that she's a housewife or something, however that kind of shit goes.
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I think all people have a obligation to provide and help all of the people they love, if they deserve it
Yes. Obviously.
It is our prime directive and, besides getting them pregnant, is our raison d'être.
If you don't feel that in your bones at an instinctive level, either you are a child or defective.
Are you being sarcastic?
No, I am not. Because they are more selective than we are at mating, they are the Stewards of Human Evolution meaning that females have been practicing a form of eugenics which, over thousands of generations, has caused that instinct to come into existence. Look at our patriarchal societies and religions. They are exactly so because we are engaged in that function... so much so, we don't trust females to protect themselves adequately to our standards so, in the spirit of "If you want something done right, do it yourself.", our societies and religions are mostly patriarchal. However, all the REAL power exists with women. Look at Iroquois society... Sure, the chiefs are males, but they have a matriarchal society and the chiefs can be overruled by the clan mothers.
Interesting opinions. Thanks for your input.
Interesting.
But a lot of patriarchal societies have quite severe capital punishment for women who behave a certain way. Especially sexually. But also for things like trying to get an education. So it seems like the instinct to protect only goes so far
Another thing then is, who are you protecting us from?
If it is in fact innate, that means the overwhelming majority of men feel this way, that would mean there should never be a threat to us also. But obviously that's not true. The biggest threat women are men
@nalaa Yes, we are like that. You are not male, so you don't have that instinct. As to what you describe, yes, it's hard to explain... it's analogous to something called emergent behavior in a system as well as further evolved behavior. 1000 characters is not going to cut it... Social mores and norms exist to minimize social civil unrest. So, for instance, murder is bad because revenge by family memers leads to escalation. With women, men's sex drive is strong enough to also contribute to social civil unrest. Of course women a bit too. So, societies and religions create rules to prevent infidelity and that works against both. In some societies, it is taken too far.
Meanwhile, if you feel that we are your greatest threat, then live without us. We don't need you. When we are older, we realize this which is why older single women have a rougher time finding partners. Our tolerance for drama and instability goes way down.
And that severe punishment happens to both sexes. For example , this was just last month in Afghanistan...
mobile.nytimes.com/.../...stan-honor-killings.html
If men have an obligation to protect and provide for women then women have an obligation to return what they receive and are equally obligated to obey the man (how else is he suppose to be responsible for her safety if she ignores him?) and raise and nurture children while maintaining the home. The fact is its a give and take so either we are all obligated to perform a certain task or none of us are. Anything else is hypocrisy and parasitic.
No. Make your own bed, woman! Unless you're smoking hot. Then I will gladly make the bed if I can get into your pants. Until, I don't want to.
Joking aside, it's a dumb idea for any 1 partner to work and provide for the other. It has never been the case because women has been working their asses off since the dawn of time. They didn't get paid for their work and we somehow didn't count that.
Sure, I will provide for woman if that is what she wants, but it is a packaged deal. You traditionally seek men's support financially, then at the same time, you should traditionally get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich when I tell you to do so.
Fuck yeah β
Nope, guys have an obligation (just like women) to get out there and find what they want and when they find it find a way to make it work. If providing is a role you fall into then so be it but it's not an out right obligation, it's a choice and a role like any other. It's your decision...
I feel obligated to protect everybody, but as for providing, I'm only obligated to provide for ONE woman, and only if I agree to it.
The rest of you can fucking starve.
LMAO hell yeah man.
Yes and No. People are completely capable of protecting and provide themselves. There are no obligations in mundane circumstances. When it comes to a wife, sister, mother, aunt, grandma, cousin or girlfriend then we have to always protect them. Provide for them when you have to.
@Jnerdy97
And when it comes to a husband, brother, father, uncle, grandpa, cousin or boyfriend, then women have to always protect them.
@tugg-A Exactly. I didn't say anything opposing that. No one gender, male or female, needs any special protection.
It's part of us and instinctual yes but we by no means have an obligation to, we choose to do because we want to because we're supposed to, not because we have to.
We're do our duty treat you like a lady but if you are rude, act like a bitch and don't treat us as gentleman in the same manner out of respect.
Then you can go do all that yourself.
Both men and women have an obligation to protect and provide for eachother in a relationship should the other be in need of it. Relationship should be muturally beneficial.
I'm totally agreeing with you on this one
Right!
YES, men have an obligation to provide for and protect their wives.
YES, women have an obligation to provide for and protect their husbands.
Marriage is a PARTNERSHIP. Not a one-way welfare program. This is a universal value which means it holds true for all (universal) circumstances. Think about it, what if two guys get married or two women? This value works in those situations as well.
It all depends on you education and what's your mentality. It is no your obligation but if you want you can help in the monetary part. In protection it is you obligation, normally men do it wanting or not. It is burden all men carry. That is my opinion you choose if its right or wrong, but I do hope it was useful to you.
Nope. Unless she is someone I care about then I would just stand there and watch a man beat the crap out of a woman, rob her, rape her, or whatever.
No reason for me to help.
Maybe I could hand her a sign promoting feminism that says, "I don't need a man" While she is being beaten. That would be hilarious. :)
I am so sorry sweetheart that anyone has ever treated you this badly! I hope you find a good woman who will take care of you.
It has nothing to do with being a or a woman... as human beings we have a moral obligation to step in when we see a stronger person hurting a weaker person if, when and how we are able. If you could honestly just walk by and do nothing when you saw someone being beaten or raped, you're a fucking horrible person. If you are afraid to physically step it, that's understandable but at least call 911 ffs
@Sara413 I'm not afraid at all. But just because someone is being beaten and is weaker, doesn't mean they don't deserve it.
Some people do very bad things and they deserve what they get.
If both people are strangers to me, I have no reason to believe one is completely innocent and the other isn't.
Beating or raping someone is ALWAYS wrong. If the person being abused did something to provoke the attack, that still doesn't justify violence. If you don't want to step in, fine, but any halfway decent person would at least call the police...
And there is NOTHING that could ever, EVER justify rape. That is sick. You are sick.
@Sara413 Only weak people think violence isn't justified.
If someone cheats on their partner, runs up their credit cards, and tries to turn their kids against them, I would say that torturing and killing the person is completely justified.
~ I didn't mean rape was justified, but I still wouldn't help anyone I don't already know and care about. I know they wouldn't do the same for me.
You are one sick fuck...
You believe torture and murder are justified? Jesus Christ...
If someone cheats on you, runs up your credit cards, or turns your kids against you what that justified is you leaving and potentially taking them to court. Nothing justifies violence, and if you believe violence is justifiable in any circumstances other than self defense, you are a seriously sick fuck and I hope no woman ever has the misfortune of becoming involved with you...
@Sara413 If a woman did those three things to me, I would become violent like that.
It is just weak scummy people that want to get away with treating others that way.
If I was on a jury, I would also vote not guilty if someone did the same.
Then you have serious problems that you need to deal with. Normal people don't allow themselves to become enraged into violence. If you are at risk of becoming violent in the face of any real or perceived injustice, you are not in a position to be getting into a relationship with anyone. It's better for you and for others if you remain alone.
Being prone to violence doesn't make you strong. It makes you a loser.
@Sara413 Nope. The people that purposely screw over others are the losers.
Only weak people dislike violence because they will lose. They want to screw over others with no consequences.
God is violent too because of people's immoralities. His values are superior to anything another Human could ever say.
Oh wait. I checked your profile and saw that you are a feminist. Now I get it. You will never understand logic.
That is why you think it is fine to treat people like crap and they should just take it. Makes sense now that I know how you think.
No, I don't think it's ok to treat people like crap. I treat people with respect as a default mode of behaviour and I expect the same courtesy from others.
Just because I don't think violence is the appropriate response to poor behaviour doesn't mean I think such behaviour is ok. That's ridiculous.
And don't bring "god" into this shit.
Not sure if "obligation" is the right word. However, it is the morally responsibility of the man to provide for his wife and kids and also to take care. of his mother, specially when she gets older. Remember, I am only keeping women in the scope of my answer.
*moral responsibility*
@HaveNoName
It would be the moral responsibility of a woman to provide for and protect her husband and children too.
@tugg-A no it's not. Not to "provide for"
@HaveNoName
Provide for isn't always money. She can provide for in many ways.
#HaveNoName
If men can provide for women, then women can provide for men. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
@HaveNoName
If men can provide for women, then women can provide for men. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
@tugg-A then first ask the @Asker to clarify what he means by "provide for".
... and their is a difference between "can provide" and "is responsible to provide".
*there*
@HaveNoName
Nobody is responsible for anything. If you believe in responsibility, then you believe that women are responsible for bringing a baby into the world when baby is conceived and if she aborts, that she's failing her responsibilities.
@tugg-A You can keep bringing up your arguments. That's fine. Its your opinion. I'm not even seeing your argument relevant to the actual question. So... Peace out.
@HaveNoNmae
No. You expect me to be a certain way between I am a wienered creature instead of a wienerless creature.
@HaveNoName
No. You expect me to be a certain way between I am a wienered creature instead of a wienerless creature.
I think 'humans' have a obligation to protect, and provide the necessities (food, shelter etc) to each other.
There's no obligation but majority of men do it because they feel it's the right things to do.
They want to be the provider cause it make them feel manly and protect women because they're weaker than them.
Not anymore. Men no longer have an obligation to protect and provide for women.
This is one of the very few benefits men have in our modern gynocentric society, if not the only one (yet many women still expect this privilege).
Are you a MGHOW?
Haha I wouldn't call myself one but I approve of it 100% π
Hell yeah.
I only think my parents or blood relatives have ever had the obligation to protect me or make sure I don't die. Though-someone would be pretty crummy if they let me like bleed out in the open or something.
No... Fuck all the people who said yes. I wasn't put on this earth to protect and provide for anyone but my family and friends.
I agree with you. Fuck those idiots.
Count me in!
Join the party brother!
I'm already in pal π€
Oh hell yeah. π€β
It's not an obligation, it's more like a courtesy. It would be nice, but women aren't entitled to it by any means. Unless they're married and they both explicitly agree that she's a housewife or something, however that kind of shit goes.