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Do men have an obligation to protect and provide for women?
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No, but I guess it would depend on the situation. In this day and age, men and women should be financially self-sufficient and shouldn't rely on the other. There's no obligation to do anything for a member of the opposite sex, but I do think that in a loving relationship, the two people will naturally feel protective of the other. I think when we care about someone, we inadvertently become a protector of sorts as a way to express our love or even to keep them safe as a means of not losing them to anything. I think both men and women should be protective of their partners, but due to our obvious physical differences, that method of protection will vary. If I was stronger and bigger than my boyfriend was, I'd totally fight off a mugger for him, but I'm just little, so the way I protect my boyfriend is more emotional, social, or practical for someone of my stature lol.
I want to say that men are meant to be protectors though, but this is just coming from my upbringing as a Native American. We were an egalitarian society, men and women were equals and had respect for each other, but we didn't deny our obvious differences. We believed that our "gifts" served a purpose, and while I can go on and on about that, what that meant for men in specific regards to how they dealt with women had a lot to do with their physical advantages. Men are larger, stronger, and faster. This is their gift, but the thing is, the Creator gives these gifts with the intention that it would be used to benefit the tribe as a whole (think "with power comes responsibility"). For example, human beings are the most advanced species on Earth, therefore, that would give us the responsibility of taking care of the Earth and all who live on it. Men are the more physically gifted gender, therefore, they have the responsibility of physically protecting their families and their communities. A man will protect the woman he loves and a woman will nurture the man she loves. It might be a little outdated, but it's an another interesting perspective you might consider.331 Reply- +1 y
Very beautifully said. I do already agree with you actually.
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@nightinggale I recommend this for an mho. I thought we're gonna see women joking about this question. but this is absolutely fantastic.
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I agree. I'll probably give this one mho honestly
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well said, except that the mentioned sexual dimorphism, the physical differences in the genders, actually make men superior biologically, so if you want things to be equal in a society, you cannot give men more responsibility without giving us more authority than women have. This is why feminist society is not working out, because they dont want to allow men to have authority over women.
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I agree with alphadoggystyle. Men are usually physical and mentally stronger and make better leaders. If they are going to protect and provide for their women, those women need to listen to him and what he says.
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@alphadoggystyle That's the problem though, our society is constantly trying to figure out which sex is better as a means to achieve power, and that in itself is wrong. In my culture, there is no better or worse sex, we're equal, because we complement each other. Before colonization, we needed each other to survive. Both worked hard to ensure survival as equal partners, but their gifts were different. Peace between the genders will not happen unless we acknowledge this. Yes, men are physically stronger than women, but this doesn't make them the superior, because there is no superior sex. Just look at this:
www.raysofhealinglight.com/.../...male-aspects.jpg
Men and women are vastly different, but our gifts are all equally necessary. A world run by men is too harsh, analytical, and cold. A world run by women is too emotional, spontaneous, and gentle. We need both, because together we bring balance. Maybe that's too hippy dippy of a concept for you guys, but I believe it. - +1 y
I agree with you. But at the same time I think relationships work better 95% of the time when the man "leads" the relationship. Im not saying men are better, we aren't, but I do think it makes the most sense for men to be leaders and women assistants.
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@tugg-A I was talking in a more historical/cultural sense, but I honestly don't know haha. I come from a long line of men who were big, strong, gifted hunters, so I wouldn't really have any knowledge of that sort to give you. Physical stature isn't what makes a man a man though, there are plenty of other qualities than men have that offer more, especially in this modern time.
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Good question. I mean to be the one who has the final say on most things. Like what to do with the children in terms of discipline, what to do with the finances, basically the one who makes important decisions. Also, to be an emotional and physical support system for your wife and children. I do think men should obviously talk with their wives/girlfriends and listen to their concerns and input but I think it makes the most sense for the man to be the one who has a final say in most issues.
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Also I need to say that this should all be concensual, obviously. Im not one of those dumbasses who believes in making your wife/children listen to you through force. If you're a good enough dude then your lady will probably want to let you be the leader.
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consensual*
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Then I have to disagree, because that seems to imply that you think you have better judgement than your future partner. I was raised in a home with a parent who studied law and another who studied child psychology, so my parents always emphasized what was scientifically proven to be the best course of action, and there was always room for negotiations (that's the law aspect). My parents were a team, they discussed everything together and decided together, and personally, I think that's optimal. Sometimes my mom won, sometimes my dad won, because they acknowledged that sometimes, the other was better suited to decide on a given situation. Your partner is going to be more knowledgeable than you are in certain things, so why should you have all the decision-making power?
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I shouldn't have all of it. And yes I admit that there are plenty of women who I guarantee are smarter than me on tons of subjects. I just think men generally make more logical decisions. And I do think men should have discussions and listen to their partners.
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But what if they can't reach an agreement? Thats my point. I think logic outweighs intuition/emotion usually. Maybe Im completely wrong I don't know. Thats just how I see it.
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But is that truly possible 100% of the time? Maybe im just uncompromising. I do admit that im extremely stubborn.
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That's how my parents were growing up and it's how I am today. It's very much possible, as long as you leave your ego out of it and remain objective. It's not about being right, it's about coming up with the best solution and persuading the other to see your point of view, or in some cases, opening your mind and using empathy to see their point of view.
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Hmm. You've given me a lot to think about and consider.
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+Nightinggale I am proud of you for giving what she said some consideration. I answered the question light-heartedly, but she really unburied the core concept in such eloquent detail. Better than I ever could.
And remember, I believe that individual couples should pick the relationship styles they like with intention, while still maintaining a basic respect and sense of equality with people who choose differently.
Like, in YOUR relationship, it's cool if you abide by the idea that he's superior and she's inferior, as long as you don't abuse her or the kids, it's none of my biz. But because I haven't agreed to that dynamic in the world, you treat me neutrally, not superior OR inferior to you and neither of us does the asshole thing of trying to dominate each other. Does that make sense? - +1 y
Yeah that makes sense. Even if I did try to have a relationship where I hsd the say in shit, I would want it to be consensual, and for her to want it to.
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sorry but no, our society has already figured out long ago that men are superior to women and better at achieving power. The only issue is that for the leaders (mainly men) to make sure their society keeps making children and at the same time keeping their workforce productive, and many of the most important jobs/fields for a society (construction, infrastructure, STEM etc) are done by men, and if they want women to have children even more pressure is put on men to be productive. However because women are not the majority voters and the gatekeepers to reproduction, politicians have to cater to them at the expense of men, but we are slowly seeing that this type of society is not sustainable, as men become less productive and women are having less children the more freedom they have. So it is going to collapse and be rebuilt with more patriarchal rules.
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Furthermore, that picture is very inaccurate overall. Men are far more creative than women on average, and we are also more tranquil (most monks are male for example). Women have less patience than men, everything in their lives revolve around planning for their future (marriage, children, career) before her biological clock runs out, as a result most women live very stressful and impatient lives during their prime years.
Men are definitely the superior gender, it has been proven so many times in so many ways that its laughable to even try to argue against it. Men being more suited to be leaders is just one of many advantages we have. Womens primary purpose acccording to nature is to have children which is why you are limited in many other ways compared to men. - +1 y
* because women are the majority of voters
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we dont need peace between the genders necessarily, because for "equality between the genders " the way most feminists describes it, will never be possible to achieve without discriminating against men, so no, the only way to achieve peace is for women to admit their inferiority and let men be the dominant ones. The funny thing is men could easily dominate women by force again and women would not be able to stop it, but it would be best for both genders if women would just submit. Men dont need women for anything other than sex and reproduction, while women need men for that in addition to utility, resources and protection. Reproduction will be possible with the help of artificial wombs in the future which will make sex and company the only remaining thing men would want/need from women, and even that could be satisfied with virtual reality porn, prostitution or sex robots in the future. Women need to bring more to the table if they want peace.
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First of all, men are called to be leaders and head of his household. He should want to desire to protect and provide for his wife and family. He is not obligated to do that to women who aren't his family and isn't married to. Women should want to equally feel the same. But men have a different role that only he can do, and women have roles that only we can do. Though no woman would ever feel safe with a man who won't do that for other women in general. How one man treats other women will determine how he will treat her.
Money wise, he is responsible for being accountable for where his finances are being spent on. He should not have to spend on trivial things without being wise with his finances. Especially when he desires serious things like marriage and having a family. That is a quality most women who wants that will judge. If he can't provide in that manner, he is not a suitable partner.713 Reply- +1 y
What about women, what should they want to bring to the relationship/marriage?
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Well, it depends on the mindset of those who want to date that person. I'm a traditional person with the sense and morals of how God designed marriage and sex to be. But since we are living in a world and time where both parties has to work nowadays. Especially when everything is getting expensive, I say it's however and whatever gifts that particular woman is able to provide. What may not be good enough for one man may be good enough for another. Marriage is about sex, and that is very important to have in marriage to hold together unless they are ill. To not deprive one another and to remember that once married you belong to each other. Not by yourself anymore as you become one flesh. In dating, you should only provide what your willing to offer. Dating is an about process and elimination. If that person doesn't fit the qualities you need in marriage and long term in general, the relationship must cease.
However, there needs to be respect and willingness to self-sacrifice. - +1 y
Being religious do you think women should submit to their husbands?
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And the same applies to men as well. I believe in gender roles for the sake that again, there are things that only women can do, and things only men can do physically as well as emotionally and psychologically. Everything else needs to be discussed by the couple to the best of their comfortability and affordability with logical reasons and the consideration of one other. As long as it's not unrealistic, both parties terms should be respected.
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I don't believe in religion. I believe in having a relationship with God. Because when a woman can follow God, she can follow her husband and the man she chooses. Likewise the man who follows God can lead his wife and family. God made it clear to Paul for men to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Submission means being subservient to one another. It means out of love the same way you help your friends and parents out of love. Because only men can lead a woman if he's leading his life righteously and with wisdom. His wife should be his crown. Somebody to love and honor. Religion teaches men to treat women as slaves in the bedroom and outside of the bedroom like she's beneath her. That is where the confusion comes in. Religion is what started the feminist movement and the equality mantra. That wasn't supposed to be like that. We're all equal as human beings, but not equal as different genders. Each one has a strength that is a weakness for the other. It was done on purpose for
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Beautifully said. Thanks for the discussion
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@btbc92
I am amazed.
You are a woman who understands the natural order, in terms of gender roles, the importance of sex and that dating is (or should be) a series of auditions that one must go through to select a mate.
If more women exhibited your level of intelligence, logic and understanding there might be a way to repair the damage done to gender relations by the Cultural Marxist hate movement known as Feminism. - +1 y
I agree, cth96190.
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So in other words men should provide and protect and conform to the usual traditional man role while women get to pick and choose the roles they want. Honestly what even is the role of a woman if she doesn't want to be submissive, cook, clean and be feminine? Its like having to bear all the 1950s responsibilities without the authority men had over women? You can't expect equal treatment when you dont treat himself as your equal which means not expecting him to provide and protect and stop whining.
Seriously putting men down for finances? while women get to spend their money on jewellery and purses. Any man who has the intelligence will see right through your delusion
Of course he's not obligated to. It depends on if he wants to or not. I mean in some situations (like a woman is being beaten on the street and he doesn't even call the cops) he may be a real callous asshole who should just avoid humans altogether and go live in a hole... but it's still his choice. I think if you have children and she's agreed to stay home full time and raise them until they are at least school age then of course you have an obligation to provide for her. She's caring for your offspring and not working. That's kind of the trade off. You can discuss her going back to work once the kids are old enough.
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Nor do I have to play a game with those who derail and jump to conclusions because all did I was answer a question that was asked. The question was "Do men have an obligation to protect and provide for women?" I answered that question. My opinions on if the roles were reversed is entirely irrelevant regarding this discussion. Because that's a different topic.
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@Nyx_85
You gave an if a woman was beaten on streets and man doesn't help but not a if man was beaten on streets and woman doesn't help example. You automatically thought it was important to make it known how bad men are that don't help beaten women but not how bad it is for women to help beaten men.
I don't know why you did it but you did it. What am I supposed to think when you give it for women but not men? How am I not suppose to see that as sexist? If you'd gave it both ways, I could have ruled you out as a sexist, most likely. - +1 y
@tugg-A In no particular way did my comment assert that. The question about about if men should provide for and protect women. I used a woman being beaten as an example. The question had nothing to do with what women should do if faced with a similar situation. You are jumping to conclusions because I didn't include something in a conversation that it wasn't even about? Come on now man.
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@tugg-A I don't NEED to give another example because the question was asking if MEN should protect WOMEN. NOT what women should do. I answered the question as is. You are the one who is choosing to jump to asinine conclusions. I am not required to add in some little disclaimer because YOU take things the wrong way.
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Please private message eachother if you want to argue. Im on my phone and can't turn notifications off
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Regardless of what you all are doing please pm eachother rather than keep commenting
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No worries. :)
There is no obligation to provide for, or protect, Feminists and their fellow travellers.
Because our masculinity is toxic; because we should all be killed (Valerie Solanas); because all sex is rape (Andrea Dworkin); and because women need a man in the way that a fish needs a bicycle (Gloria Steinem), women have made it clear in the most forceful way possible that we men are neither wanted, nor needed.
Then there is mansplaining, man spreading, making little Swedish boys sit down to pee and so much more.
Okay, women, go away and do it for yourselves and by yourselves.
Let the men know how that works out for you when the Islamic rape gangs come and kick down your door, or grab on the street, which is happening all over Europe right now.
You know the ones, those 'poor refugees' who were welcomed in by the liberal women. The same liberal women who said that we men were wicked evil racists because we pointed out the bleeding obvious, in terms of the consequences of allowing these people to enter Western Civilisation.
Girls can do anything. :-)55 Reply- +1 y
God damn. Well fucking said. I agree 100%. Are you MGTOW bro?
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Oh hell yeah. Thats awesome. I've really considered going monk. I'm doing quite well so far. Any tips you could give a young mgtow?
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At this stage, watch as much of the MGTOW content as you can on YouTube and pick from the buffet what suits/works for you.
If you are not familiar with Tom Lykis, you should find plenty of ideas that will give you cause to think.
Do not become a hater. Instead, have a realistic perspective on the relationship between men and women and an understanding of how the gender relationship has been trashed by the Cultural Marxist hate movement known as Feminism.
Here is the most important thing, at your time of life: do no put your cock into anything that you are not prepared to marry.
Also, be mindful that every time you do put your cock into a female you are risking a false rape allegation and/or a lifetime of child-support payments.
If you date, jerk out a load (or two) BEFORE you go on the date. That will allow you to think with greater clarity and see the girl for who and what she is.
There are unicorns out there, but you have to be extremely careful. - +1 y
Okay. I will take all of that into account. Thanks man!
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yWe shouldn't but society is gynocentric and males are raised to always put females first. Females are raised to expect males to put them first, even these females who say "I don't need a man" abide by the code that they are living the happy little-protected life they live with the subconscious understanding that men will save them. In a bank robbery when someone says "at least let the women go free"... you won't find a single one of these so-called "strong and independent women" stepping up to say "HEY let the men go free, and we will stay here".
IN tragedy... women will always allow the men to take the hit, or stay behind so they can save their own asses.
The one's who say women can take care of themselves... live in a bubble of ignorance because the privileged little world they live in was created and is maintained by men.
In a crisis, these women who can "take care of themselves" are the first to look for a man to help them.
As can be seen in ANY video of ANY tragedy.61 Reply- +1 y
I agree 100% bro 👍
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+1 yIn certain environments where men are physically more able to do it, for sure. For most of history. I heard a first story too on the radio about a homestead commune, where both the men and the women were super liberal, and believed that women and men were basically the same at first, but as their subsistence lifestyle went on, they were pretty much forced to get into traditional gender roles because of what they were each able to do better.
But today in general? Or in the society I would like to see? No, we get so much benefit from having coed projects in so many fields of work, and hard labor is inevitably being taken over by machines anyway. As for protection, we have guns, pepper spray, tasers, and other weapons now that are advanced enough that they don't depend on the higher physical strength of a club or sword. Everyone should be looking out for everyone else, and protection is no longer something that only men can do.
I don't think we are in danger of losing anything by not using traditional gender roles as we progress to doing bigger and better things as a society. If we are all taught a good overall skill set, they come back pretty easily if they are ever needed, like after the collapse of modern society or something. We should be teaching men and women alike to more stuff than they have traditionally been taught to do, so that we can get things done that could not be done in past times.10 Reply
+1 yNot anymore. Women decide to take male roles, so men no longer have an obligation to protect and provide for women, unless these women are part of his family (including wife).
Men can't be expected to stick to their roles, while women move out of it. You can't expect men to protect women when women don't give back to men.
The reason men HAD an obligation to protect and provide was because women gave birth, took care of the kids and the house, but that doesn't happen anymore, so there's no reason for men to protect women.410 Reply- +1 y
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Yeah man fuck the West. We haven't progressed we've regressed. We have all this money and technology but everyone is fat and depressed.
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Where I live. Women give birth, take care of the kids and the house, and have to jobs to support the house all the while her husband might not be helping financially. But anyway, if we are to assume that helping with the house and the kids is now a shared obligation and that the woman helps financially with the family life, isn't the man still required to provide and protect.
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If you still need his help then what was the point of the self defence classes?
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Key word being SELF defense.
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Well then there's no problem. All is well if you would give back to him. 👍
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@Okfchi I clearly said men should protect the women in their family, that includes wife, and I thought it was self explanatory that wife also included girlfriend.
You're from Egypt, of course things over there are different. Here in the West, it doesn't work like that, hence why most Western countries have such a low birth rate.
+1 yI think that as a partner, regardless of gender, you are obligated to protect and provide for your SO. I know people have it in their heads that it's "so unfair" but the truth of the matter is, is that you have to contribute to a relationship - at least the adult ones that involve bills. It's up to the people in the relationship how they contribute and how much.
Also as for protecting them, I don't date anybody who would let me die in the apocalypse because that's just not practical. Plus, I can't respect anybody who'd stand by and let their SO get harassed or the like, male or female.77 Reply- +1 y
@tugg-A Provided I liked him, yes.
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@tugg-A I never said that lol. I'd die for anybody I loved if it meant they could live.
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@tugg-A Believe me, if you TRULY loved someone, then sacrificing your life to allow them to live is NOT being unselfish. It's actually being very selfish.
If you have ever gone through losing a partner or spouse, then you would know that it is extremely difficult to go through such a loss as losing your best friend in life. - +1 y
If some creature harassed or in some other way threatened a lover/partner or child of mine, he/it would die on the spot, as well as anyone who was with him.
If I saw a Feminist, or some other lefty loon who was carrying a 'will trade racists for refugees' sign being pack raped by 'immigrants', I would kick back and enjoy watching her receive her necessary reality check.
523 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I think we all have an obligation to protect one another and look out for each other, and that includes stepping in when you see someone being hurt by someone else if and when you are able to do something about it... but that's something I expect of everyone, not just men.
And no I don't think men are obligated to provide for anyone except themselves and their children if they have them... but again, I expect through same of women. Sometimes that will mean providing for their spouse so they can stay home or cut their work hours, etc.50 ReplyYes if she is your mother let's say, your sister who lives alone and might need financial help, and of corse a wife. It is a naturally-felt obligation towards certain people you feel responsible about as a person and as a man. With regard to protection, do you really like watching a woman you know in troublesome physical situation and not help if you can?
But of corse a man is not supposed to be dragged into fights for a woman who doesn't care about the consequences of her act or a partner who spends lavishly unnecessarily.32 Reply
+1 yI dont know that most Do but i think they Should.
now before anyone starts attacking me, I am driven and hardworking and can financially support myself if need be and I don't need a man to do everything for me because I am not helpless.
However, if you look back at history, yes the roles of women and men have both changed but the one thing that has remained consistent is that the men are the protectors and bread winners of the family. A quote from a movie, "The man is the head, but the woman is the neck that turns the head."16 Reply- +1 y
So the gender roles have changed but not for men and that's acceptable that men continue to be burdened by there obligations to women while women are freed of their obligations to men? So basically he works she eats? That's slavery, or a parasitic relationship (take your pick). Either she is equally obligated to him or neither are obligated to each other that is the only way you can have this without being both a hypocrite and sexist.
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You can financially support yourself at 17? Do your parents know about this? Because I'm sure they can collect some good rent from that room that you're staying in at their house.
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@pineappleorange Too say that I can financially support myself NOW was wrong of me, however I do work hard and I pick up as many hours as I can when I am not in school. I have been been working since I was 10 (snack bar, babysitting, dog walking, caregiving, all under-the-counter and slow money but still working) I own my car and I pay for my own insurance.
What I meant to say was that I WILL be able to financially support myself. It is practically impossible to pay rent with a part time job. - +1 y
@hellionthesagereborn I see your point but my opinion remains that men should have an obligation to protect and provide. It does not make me sexist because I never said anything about women not feeling the same obligation if circumstances reversed. If I were in a relationship and my boyfriend lost his job and couldn't provide for me then I would be fine with paying for meals and paying his rent or have him move in with me. Im fine if I am on dates and I pay for meals here and there. I don't see any problem in this and if you do, then it looks like if we ever met we wouldn't start dating and I don't think either of us has a problem with that
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both parties should be mutually benefited
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Well that's my point their must be mutal benefit or its wrong. What you originally presented is not mutually beneficial, neither is the second suggestion because that is simply riding out a short period of time, that's not really benefiting him in the times that he is not in bad shape. So in the times where he doesn't lose his job what are you doing for him? It doesn't have to be providing the same thing, in fact that would be a bit absurd as he wouldn't need anything from you if he is already providing that particular resource (in this case money and protection, if he has money he doesn't need yours and he doesn't need your protection) so what is he getting from it? What your arguing is for a traditional relationship and that's fine BUT you need to also be traditional, if you expect him to do his traditional role of being a protector and provider then you need to follow through with your traditional obligations as well, its the only fair way of doing things.
+1 yboth halves of a couple have an obligation to take care of each other. perhaps in different ways, but the principle is the same.
ie: i broke my leg and am completely dependent on my husband for everything. he cooks for me, cleans, gives me sponge baths and washes my hair in the kitchen sink (since i can't shower or bathe with my cast on)... all without expecting anything in return, because he knows i would do the same for him if our positions were reversed.50 Reply- 482 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yyes dude men are slaves of women and have to do everything in order to get sex 😂😂😂 jk jk
ok on a serious note, I simply don't understand why I am obligated.
back in school , whenever a bully tried to beat up or harass a guy friend or a female friend I used to stand up for them and if wanted to fight, I would beat the life out of them.
so protecting the innocent and right is natural for me but I won't be doing it as a obligation towards any random person just because she is hot.
as far as providing is concerned, this day and age is quite expensive and it's wrong to put the pressure on a guy unless he is a millionaire.
I am quite amused to see women saying that a guy should pay for the first date (in the case where both are strangers )
simply because you cannot have sex with a stranger then how can they expect a stranger to pay for them in the first meeting. these kinds of things works both ways10 Reply 
+1 yMen weren't made to protect us. However, whenever the woman is inadequate to protect herself the guy should activate himself.
Men will not be next to us all the time. We, women should practice to protect ourselves as well.520 Reply- +1 y
Do you believe in equality?
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If she needs a man's help then she isn't "self sufficient".
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That's not about the woman. Let's say she can defend her self physically quite well and can actually fight, does this mean if you are a man you will not protect it her in a situation (of corse if you are related)? It is really about what you feel normal to you, it is the instinct for men.
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It is about the woman though. You claimed she could be for equality while simultaneously "needing a man". That's impossible. If she depends on a man but no men depend on her then it is not an equal exchange.
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Yes, I would defend her. But that doesn't violate my beliefs because I don't support equality in the first place. I support equality of opportunities and under the law, thats as far as it goes.
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The "men don't depend on women" part tho... your Nike shoes and addidas shirt were made by women working in maquiladoras overseas for 12 hours a shift and getting less than 5 dollars a day for her family, and that helped her husband and older son to migrate to another country leaving the family behind and become working force for other countries that need it. It is very complex if we talk about gender in the very abstract.
The way I see it, it is an exchange. Women as a human being provide to men certain things they can't get otherwise, and men provide in return similar things. The two genders cannot live without the other. The fact that you are asexual might be causing you to not see this. - +1 y
I'm not asexual? Where did you get that?
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Oh okay. How did you know I was aromantic?
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We did? Oh, I don't remember. And Im not saying men dont depend on women, Im saying in this specific hypothetical situation where Turkish Delight depends on a man but then he doesn't get anything in return for it, that isn't equality
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Now that I agree with 👌 Fuck feminism.
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I'm not a feminist but I believe in equality. And If you're a fan of showing your power protect your woman against bigger men.
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Of course. I assume you don't mean women generally, which seems to be what many of your respondants think. But the women you love? What kind of person would you be if you didn't feel such an obligation?
Providing and protecting can take many forms. And you wife or girlfriend ought to be doing the same things.21 Reply- +1 y
I did mean in a general sense sort of. I really left it open to interpretation to see how people would respond to it.
yes they do! now since i dont feel like paying my bills wanna do that? also dont forget to bring the pizza ;) and i dont feel like walking on the ground so can you carry me so i could protect my shoes lmaoooo XD jk but all jokes aside theyre not obligated to but it would be a nice thing to do for both men and women if theyre in need of it but thats usally someone you know/care about weather its friends, family... etc
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Sassy are we?
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Hahaha no worries.
+1 yI assume everyone will say no. But the truth is a lot of men feel they have to provide and protect. It's what the society usually waits from a man. And i don't think it's wrong since we're stronger which means we can protect and work more in order to provide 💪🏻
30 Reply904 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Obligation doesn't exist. The only two major rules of importance, is choice and consequence/action and reaction. If you don't want to do something, simply don't do it, but expect consequences derived of said action. If we only talk whether or not you're obligated to provide for anyone, then the answer is no.
30 ReplyProtect, yes within reason. You can't protect a woman from herself and oftentimes "She don't wanna be saved, don't save her. She don't wanna be saved, don't save her. She don't wanna be saved, don't save her". But random girl you don't know in the bar. You see someone slips something in her drink when she's not looking. Probably cool to let her know what you saw and warn her to get another drink instead. See that she's getting harassed by someone? Giving her a chance to acknowledge you and giving her the opportunity to request for help. a lot of people don't want your help and butting in only makes you look bad and pisses them off, but if you show that you're willing to help and they choose to ask for it then you're golden.
Provide for her? No obligation whatsoever. But if you agree to do so (ie, she is involved with making this decision), then you have a responsibility to her to keep your word. That's pretty much it.00 Reply
+1 yNo, the only women a man is obligated to care for and protect is his mother and his wife.
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Do you believe in equality?
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@Mysterioustruth Of course
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I would include daughters and, in some cases, even sisters.
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@qwertyKitchen For "women" I didn't include daughters , since I imagined the asker meant adult females, but I do agree. As for sisters, sure in some cases, though I dont think a man is obligated to provide for his sister
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I mean it in a general sense. Are adult men morally/socially obligated to protect/provide for adult females
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@Nightinggale I couldn't answer with a direct no or yes, so I picked depends , that's really how my answer formed
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Yeah I understand. No worries
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Ah @Nightinggale. I took it differently, having just added my own opinion. I didn't necessarily mean financially support his sister, either. I meant be there for her… be a good brother… and she ought to do the same for him.
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But daughters even in adulthood? Sure. You don't really ever stop being a parent until your kids are putting diapers on you.
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@qwertKitchen No worries, I gotchu now.
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@qwertyKitchen I took your opinion as financially, but now that you cleared it up, I definitely agree with you. Its not a dads place to financially support his 30 year old daughter but its always his place to be her dad and give fatherly advice no matter how old she is , same. thing for a brother to do for his sister. its not because she's a female that he should do this, its because she's family
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Cool! :-)
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@tugg-A of course , that's what you do for your family , its not just an obligation for males to follow
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@tugg-A No their not because they suck at it but they're obligated to make me a sandwich when I ask for one.
That depends. If a woman want equality then no. If a woman want to stay as a child, and wants the man as her father, yes. But the father decides what is done with the money, and decides what is best for her.
If she gets both, it will not be sustainable in the long run. Which a woman quite often do in this modern era of feminism.20 ReplyNo. I believe a healthy relationship should be give and take. Being there to support the person but also to be able to let that person support you as well. The more you look out for each other the more healthier the relationship is. Something that is one sided is never the answer
20 Reply402 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Not really. Let me rephrase. I'm a bit of an idealist, but I believe every person has an obligation to be respectful and compassionate towards their fellow humans, regardless of gender. Women shouldn't get special treatment, but just be a decent person and treat others well.
20 Reply452 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Provide? I don't think so. But protect is a bit trickier, as I believe that if you can protect someone from physical harm, whether you are a man or a woman and whether the person who is in danger is a relative, a friend, a lover or a stranger, you should always attempt to protect them. But that's just how I think, I cannot force that sort of obligation onto anyone else, so technically the answer is still no.
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People should provide for and protect each other, regardless of their biological sex, their gender, their race or their age. In a decent society, we should provide for the ones in need and protect each other not because we are men/women but because we are human beings with compassion and empathy. Solidarity is the key word here.
In relationships, both partners should help each other in whatever way they can. Again, not because they are men/women but because they love each other.20 Reply 
+1 yI think all people have a obligation to provide and help all of the people they love, if they deserve it
80 Reply3.1K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Yes. Obviously.
It is our prime directive and, besides getting them pregnant, is our raison d'être.
If you don't feel that in your bones at an instinctive level, either you are a child or defective.16 Reply- +1 y
Are you being sarcastic?
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No, I am not. Because they are more selective than we are at mating, they are the Stewards of Human Evolution meaning that females have been practicing a form of eugenics which, over thousands of generations, has caused that instinct to come into existence. Look at our patriarchal societies and religions. They are exactly so because we are engaged in that function... so much so, we don't trust females to protect themselves adequately to our standards so, in the spirit of "If you want something done right, do it yourself.", our societies and religions are mostly patriarchal. However, all the REAL power exists with women. Look at Iroquois society... Sure, the chiefs are males, but they have a matriarchal society and the chiefs can be overruled by the clan mothers.
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Interesting opinions. Thanks for your input.
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Interesting.
But a lot of patriarchal societies have quite severe capital punishment for women who behave a certain way. Especially sexually. But also for things like trying to get an education. So it seems like the instinct to protect only goes so far
Another thing then is, who are you protecting us from?
If it is in fact innate, that means the overwhelming majority of men feel this way, that would mean there should never be a threat to us also. But obviously that's not true. The biggest threat women are men - +1 y
@nalaa Yes, we are like that. You are not male, so you don't have that instinct. As to what you describe, yes, it's hard to explain... it's analogous to something called emergent behavior in a system as well as further evolved behavior. 1000 characters is not going to cut it... Social mores and norms exist to minimize social civil unrest. So, for instance, murder is bad because revenge by family memers leads to escalation. With women, men's sex drive is strong enough to also contribute to social civil unrest. Of course women a bit too. So, societies and religions create rules to prevent infidelity and that works against both. In some societies, it is taken too far.
Meanwhile, if you feel that we are your greatest threat, then live without us. We don't need you. When we are older, we realize this which is why older single women have a rougher time finding partners. Our tolerance for drama and instability goes way down. - +1 y
And that severe punishment happens to both sexes. For example , this was just last month in Afghanistan...
mobile.nytimes.com/.../...stan-honor-killings.html
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+1 yIf men have an obligation to protect and provide for women then women have an obligation to return what they receive and are equally obligated to obey the man (how else is he suppose to be responsible for her safety if she ignores him?) and raise and nurture children while maintaining the home. The fact is its a give and take so either we are all obligated to perform a certain task or none of us are. Anything else is hypocrisy and parasitic.
10 Reply No. Make your own bed, woman! Unless you're smoking hot. Then I will gladly make the bed if I can get into your pants. Until, I don't want to.
Joking aside, it's a dumb idea for any 1 partner to work and provide for the other. It has never been the case because women has been working their asses off since the dawn of time. They didn't get paid for their work and we somehow didn't count that.10 Reply
+1 ySure, I will provide for woman if that is what she wants, but it is a packaged deal. You traditionally seek men's support financially, then at the same time, you should traditionally get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich when I tell you to do so.
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Fuck yeah ✊
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yNope, guys have an obligation (just like women) to get out there and find what they want and when they find it find a way to make it work. If providing is a role you fall into then so be it but it's not an out right obligation, it's a choice and a role like any other. It's your decision...
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+1 yI feel obligated to protect everybody, but as for providing, I'm only obligated to provide for ONE woman, and only if I agree to it.
The rest of you can fucking starve.21 Reply- +1 y
LMAO hell yeah man.
Yes and No. People are completely capable of protecting and provide themselves. There are no obligations in mundane circumstances. When it comes to a wife, sister, mother, aunt, grandma, cousin or girlfriend then we have to always protect them. Provide for them when you have to.
12 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. It's part of us and instinctual yes but we by no means have an obligation to, we choose to do because we want to because we're supposed to, not because we have to.
We're do our duty treat you like a lady but if you are rude, act like a bitch and don't treat us as gentleman in the same manner out of respect.
Then you can go do all that yourself.10 Reply1.2K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. There's no obligation but majority of men do it because they feel it's the right things to do.
They want to be the provider cause it make them feel manly and protect women because they're weaker than them.40 ReplyBoth men and women have an obligation to protect and provide for eachother in a relationship should the other be in need of it. Relationship should be muturally beneficial.
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YES, men have an obligation to provide for and protect their wives.
YES, women have an obligation to provide for and protect their husbands.
Marriage is a PARTNERSHIP. Not a one-way welfare program. This is a universal value which means it holds true for all (universal) circumstances. Think about it, what if two guys get married or two women? This value works in those situations as well.20 Reply 
+1 yIt all depends on you education and what's your mentality. It is no your obligation but if you want you can help in the monetary part. In protection it is you obligation, normally men do it wanting or not. It is burden all men carry. That is my opinion you choose if its right or wrong, but I do hope it was useful to you.
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+1 yNope. Unless she is someone I care about then I would just stand there and watch a man beat the crap out of a woman, rob her, rape her, or whatever.
No reason for me to help.
Maybe I could hand her a sign promoting feminism that says, "I don't need a man" While she is being beaten. That would be hilarious. :)111 Reply- +1 y
It has nothing to do with being a or a woman... as human beings we have a moral obligation to step in when we see a stronger person hurting a weaker person if, when and how we are able. If you could honestly just walk by and do nothing when you saw someone being beaten or raped, you're a fucking horrible person. If you are afraid to physically step it, that's understandable but at least call 911 ffs
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@Sara413 I'm not afraid at all. But just because someone is being beaten and is weaker, doesn't mean they don't deserve it.
Some people do very bad things and they deserve what they get.
If both people are strangers to me, I have no reason to believe one is completely innocent and the other isn't. - +1 y
Beating or raping someone is ALWAYS wrong. If the person being abused did something to provoke the attack, that still doesn't justify violence. If you don't want to step in, fine, but any halfway decent person would at least call the police...
And there is NOTHING that could ever, EVER justify rape. That is sick. You are sick. - +1 y
@Sara413 Only weak people think violence isn't justified.
If someone cheats on their partner, runs up their credit cards, and tries to turn their kids against them, I would say that torturing and killing the person is completely justified.
~ I didn't mean rape was justified, but I still wouldn't help anyone I don't already know and care about. I know they wouldn't do the same for me. - +1 y
You are one sick fuck...
You believe torture and murder are justified? Jesus Christ...
If someone cheats on you, runs up your credit cards, or turns your kids against you what that justified is you leaving and potentially taking them to court. Nothing justifies violence, and if you believe violence is justifiable in any circumstances other than self defense, you are a seriously sick fuck and I hope no woman ever has the misfortune of becoming involved with you... - +1 y
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Then you have serious problems that you need to deal with. Normal people don't allow themselves to become enraged into violence. If you are at risk of becoming violent in the face of any real or perceived injustice, you are not in a position to be getting into a relationship with anyone. It's better for you and for others if you remain alone.
Being prone to violence doesn't make you strong. It makes you a loser. - +1 y
@Sara413 Nope. The people that purposely screw over others are the losers.
Only weak people dislike violence because they will lose. They want to screw over others with no consequences.
God is violent too because of people's immoralities. His values are superior to anything another Human could ever say. - +1 y
Oh wait. I checked your profile and saw that you are a feminist. Now I get it. You will never understand logic.
That is why you think it is fine to treat people like crap and they should just take it. Makes sense now that I know how you think. - +1 y
No, I don't think it's ok to treat people like crap. I treat people with respect as a default mode of behaviour and I expect the same courtesy from others.
Just because I don't think violence is the appropriate response to poor behaviour doesn't mean I think such behaviour is ok. That's ridiculous.
And don't bring "god" into this shit.
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Not sure if "obligation" is the right word. However, it is the morally responsibility of the man to provide for his wife and kids and also to take care. of his mother, specially when she gets older. Remember, I am only keeping women in the scope of my answer.
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*moral responsibility*
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@HaveNoName
It would be the moral responsibility of a woman to provide for and protect her husband and children too. - +1 y
@tugg-A no it's not. Not to "provide for"
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@HaveNoName
Provide for isn't always money. She can provide for in many ways. - +1 y
#HaveNoName
If men can provide for women, then women can provide for men. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. - +1 y
@HaveNoName
If men can provide for women, then women can provide for men. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. - +1 y
@tugg-A then first ask the @Asker to clarify what he means by "provide for".
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... and their is a difference between "can provide" and "is responsible to provide".
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*there*
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@HaveNoName
Nobody is responsible for anything. If you believe in responsibility, then you believe that women are responsible for bringing a baby into the world when baby is conceived and if she aborts, that she's failing her responsibilities. - +1 y
@tugg-A You can keep bringing up your arguments. That's fine. Its your opinion. I'm not even seeing your argument relevant to the actual question. So... Peace out.
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@HaveNoName
No. You expect me to be a certain way between I am a wienered creature instead of a wienerless creature.
598 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I think 'humans' have a obligation to protect, and provide the necessities (food, shelter etc) to each other.
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Not anymore. Men no longer have an obligation to protect and provide for women.
This is one of the very few benefits men have in our modern gynocentric society, if not the only one (yet many women still expect this privilege).13 Reply- +1 y
Are you a MGHOW?
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Haha I wouldn't call myself one but I approve of it 100% 👍
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Hell yeah.
504 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I only think my parents or blood relatives have ever had the obligation to protect me or make sure I don't die. Though-someone would be pretty crummy if they let me like bleed out in the open or something.
20 ReplyNo... Fuck all the people who said yes. I wasn't put on this earth to protect and provide for anyone but my family and friends.
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I agree with you. Fuck those idiots.
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Join the party brother!
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Oh hell yeah. 😤✊
+1 yIt's not an obligation, it's more like a courtesy. It would be nice, but women aren't entitled to it by any means. Unless they're married and they both explicitly agree that she's a housewife or something, however that kind of shit goes.
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in my opinion it has not much to do with gender but more to do with the ability each person has to protect themselves.
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+1 yIf they have an agreement with their partner that they'll provide and the partner will care for him and/or their family then yes or some other type of agreement then yes. Otherwise no.
20 Reply 1.3K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. No. No one has any obligations except those that they choose.
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I agree 👌
+1 yAlthough I find it sexy if a guy does, no. No obligation whatsoever.
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@shatteredclouds15
I find it sexy if a woman does it.
Women can take care of themselves but we have to feel that in difficult times our partner is there to have our backs or to help us if they can
30 Reply301 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Call it evolution or call it what you want... I just feel naturally inclined to protect and provide.
It just feels natural for me to sacrifice my mind, body and entire life for my partner.
Its my duty as a man.10 Reply3.2K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Sure, believe it or not... women love it and men to do provided you can make it happen
It's a masculine feeling to be able to take care of your women10 ReplyYea because men are natural providers and protecters it's not there job but women can do that on their own but it's in their nature to do so.
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+1 yNobody has such obligation, it's an option and you do it if you love the person. The providing part today is even up to debate.
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+1 yno. partners have an obligation to provide and protect their partners. it's a mutual relationship of care.
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+1 yI think we do to some extent, im all for women being equal and providing for themselves i want a woman thats hardworking, but i don't think you can be mad at men for trying to protect and provide for our women, its instinct
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I think at one time it was looked upon that way (and unfortunately some women still feel this way) but now, I don't think so. Women are more than capable of looking after themselves. But why would they if they can have a guy do it?
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now go carry my bags726 Reply- +1 y
;) aren't you just charming?
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:p :p
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@Nightinggale what a disgrace of a man.
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Excuse me?
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You heard me well. Why are you worshipping pussy
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I'm not. Where or when was I "worshipping pussy"?
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She made a joke and I was joking back with her. If you're too socially retarded to see that, then it's your problem not mine. I do not "worship pussy" and if I did it would still be none of your god damn business.
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The irony of what?
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Oh. Yeah I know man. He's new though so he wouldn't know lol. Im very very openly an anti pussybeggar.
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LMAO
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LOL welcome Salt Dog 😂
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Luv ya bro but i was laughing at @archiz. Good stuff.
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Oh. Its okay :(
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lmao
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I live to carry girl's bags :) All joking aside my life is filled with traditional gender roles. I do all of the heavy lifting, protecting, providing, repairing, insect killing, contract negotiating... and they cook, clean and have my babies. Its working out well so far
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@SuccessfulHornDog good for you man
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Jesus christ. How do I turn notifications off on the GaG app?
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okay thank you
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Thanks bro
+1 yNo, not at all. People have a moral obligation to protect those who they love, no more than that.
20 Reply1.5K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. We are as much obligated to it as women are obligated to give us sex.
Having said that, nobody is obligated to anybody anything. We men and the women don't owe anyone anything.10 Reply- Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 y
I think men have a duty to help other men learn how not to mistreat women, step in if a jerk is screaming at us or being creepy in public (within reason), and maybe carry heavy stuff and open jars. But other than that, I don't really believe in an inborn sense of duty that men have or that women have. Each relationship is entitled to make it's own rules though, as long as everyone agrees the arrangement is fair and pleases them.
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What would women's duty to men be in return for doing all those things?
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Well, it's not a duty for each specific woman, but we are still the ones who carry and have and produce milk for the babies that propagate the species. That covers a lot. We're the ones who are somewhat more skilled at multi-tasking so we help keeps things running smoothly at work, at home, with the kids, at church, whatever.
Oh, I forgot to say that I think men need to cook all the eggs and bacon, since for some magical reason they know precisely when the bacon is done and the eggs are done, times them perfectly to get done one right after the other. NEVER burning the bacon. It's like an art and I have burnt so many damn pounds of good bacon. And if you get the bacon done, I'll make the BLTs. And pour a good beer without too much head on it. Sound like a fair trade? - +1 y
Hmm. Throw in back rubs and frequent handjobs and youve got yourself a deap
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deal*
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Mutual backrubs, and mutual handjobs so it's a win-win.
I am glad you understand your sacred duty to cook the bacon. It's an honor to be selected to carry out such a holy task. It's almost as sacred as childbirth. - +1 y
You've got a deal. Hahaha.
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its actually myth that women are better multitaskers, so you can remove that from your list. Also men already contribute in the way of child support money or just by being a provider during the time period when the woman is pregnant and several years after the child is born even if the couple has split. So that already covers that duty. So what do women do in return if men are supposed to have a duty 24/7 to protect women from other men etc? sry but it doesn't work out equally because men are the superior gender so more is naturally expected from us, but we need to be rewarded with some kind of authority for this to work out in the long run.
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@alphadoggystyle Yeah, you sound like a bitter, deluded little boy with all your bloviating moronism. Shoo now. Git. The adults are talking.
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So basically the man has to do everything and the woman can do as she pleases? So what happens if a woman is being abusive towards a man?(which is actually statistically more likely to occur then the other way around) Are women then obligated to step in on his behalf? Basically what your describing is a one sided relationship. Its kind of like a man saying women are obligated to have sex with a man but he isn't obligated to do anything for her i. e. its one sided and kind of sexist since your viewing the opposite gender as a tool for your own benefit. Its quite literally objectifying the gender.
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nah, its you who are a bitter lonely little girl who nobody even pays attention to in real life because you are way past your prime age. Your old and unattractive. While im just stating facts. I dont care that it hurt your sensitive girly feelings though, so you should be quiet stupid little girl while we men talk.
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@hellionthesagereborn I think I kind of kept it light with only one thing where his physical prowess would really come into play. But like, opening jars? You resent opening jars? Really?
And I will tell you, I have broken up several barfights between men, so I will do it when needed. I have stood between a man and a kid he wanted to hit, I have stood between an armed thief and his exit route. I'm not a wilting hothouse flower of a woman.
And I done offered to make all the BLTs if you will just kindly cook the bacon because you're so much better at that. And pour a good beer. And use whatever talents I may have to benefit the relationship. Like my estranged husband is no good with handling paperwork because he's not a strong reader, so I handle all the contracts, and bureaucratic shit. Everybody brings different skills and talents to the table and both people pitch-in in the way they know how. I think there are really very universal few "must do's". - +1 y
I don't resent opening jars, I resent women who think men are tools to be used and discarded. He owes you but you owe him nothing, how is that not wrong to you? What are you doing for him? See in all of these argument women make they explain that men are obligated/beholden to women but they never explain WHY men are beholden to women, that's the problem I have. What are you providing for HIM? What is he getting out of it? So far your basically saying that the man should have a job and not get paid for it which of course is insane.
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@alphadoggystyle If you want to insult me, you have to find something I am sensitive about. I have no problem attracting lovers and friends, and I get as much hedonistic attention as a gal could ever want. I live in one of the most loved places in the world, with such beautiful weather, beaches, deserts, mountains and live theater and music and art, tons of free time to enjoy it. It's flippin' sweet here. I have more fun than anyone has a right to. And I do it all on so little money, it's truly impressive. And it sooooooooo does not matter if you believe me or not. I am just so rich in love. I'm lucky AF.
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I think that traditionally a man would always provide for the woman. He would pay for dinner, open doors for her, take her home, cater to her, and he would be the one to propose marriage. If a man is interested, he would be the first to pursue the woman- not the other way around. I believe that's how it always should be.
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@hellionthesagereborn I just explained what some of the things I bring to the table are. You just want to see the vague kind of non-committal, hald facetious answer I gave as some unreasonable demand and ignore what I've said A.) About my unique skills I bring to the table and am happy to do for the good of the relationship B.) That I really think that there isn't much specific that men or women have any obligation to do for each other, that it is mostly about those two people reaching a mutually satisfying agreement that they both feel is fair and equitable, so no one feels used. You're making me out to be like some helpless gold-digging user because I joke about men opening all the jars.
I probably can also be counted on to make a man's favorite cake on his birthday, no matter how obscure and complicated the recipe, and I so rarely feel like quarreling that when we disagree I jump right into laughing about it letting it go rather than having animosity. Seem like bitchen qualities. - Opinion Owner+1 y
To be more succinct, I expect to give as much as I get.
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hahaha keep telling yourself that, of course i dont believe you, nobody does, and of course it matters because your claims are basically useless without any proof, that whole comment basically just made it far more likely that you are a bitter lonely cat lady or someone who had to settle for a beta
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@alphadoggystyle Do you realize that the whole alpha male/beta male thing has never been observed in humans. Our ability to communicate verbally and opposing thumbs have given us so many convoluted strata in society. Alpha Males were only ever observed in Wolves, and now even THAT has been debunked. Your entire ethos is a bunch of psuedo-scientific garble and essentially means nothing. Such a pity. But you'll grow out of it.
www.sketchyscience.com/.../...science-of-wolf.html
Tink tink tink. - +1 y
You never mentioned anything that you brought to the table to me, you said you can make babies (which benefits you as much as the man) you made a claim about multi tasking (which has been debunked) which doesn't really have anything to do with the question, other then that you mentioned nothing that you brought to the table, hence my question and assertion that you need to provide something in return. If you want a traditional man then you have to be a traditional woman, anything else is sexism. Hence me asking what you brought to the table, because again you did not answer that, not in your original post and not in the ones you addressed to me that I have seen.
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@hellionthesagereborn You need to re-read my answers. I did not name off a tick list of every way I could bring something to the table that my partners needs/appreciates because the list is exhaustive. What I said encapsulated that - that I would bring my unique talents, skills and qualities to the table, and we compliment each other for the good of the relationship. I never said I don't plan to devote myself equally to the betterment of the relationship. I just chose not to list the million ways that could play out.
I really don't think men and women are obligated to do any one specific thing for the other as a matter of course, with the possible exception being that we are ALL obligated to treat one another with dignity and decency. But I tried to imagine what possible fantasy wish list thing I would want men to be responsible for, those first two are important to me. - +1 y
the alpha beta thing is easily observed in humans,
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And the instincts of hypergamy and dominance is still visible in females and males today. The beta provides as an alternative to get access to sexual reproduction, while the alpha male already is attractive on physical features alone, so he doesn't need to provide to get sex, but when he has no reason to provide for every woman he sleeps with to ensure his offsprings survival, the women then after getting pregnant would often find a beta to provide for her and the alphas unborn child, without the beta knowing this. Its an ancient mating strategy, and some women try to do it even in modern times, when they try to shame men getting paternity tests. So sorry but you're still wrong. Everything I've said is fact and you keep embarrassing yourself. - Opinion Owner+1 y
@alphadoggystyle I think you don't have much experience evaluating actual science versus "pop psychology". And you're still all huffy about a week old thread. Humans have been observed to have complex and varied dating/mating rituals, nothing as simple as "alpha vs. beta vs. zeta".
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I have experience but it doesn't matter, im clearly more intelligent than you as you are trying to avoid this discussion with a strawman. i never said beta and alpha mating was the only strategy in humans, but that they are a couple of strategies that are clearly observable in humans. While you initially rejected that idea and now you are backpedaling. Sorry but you are the one who is huffy, not me, im just correcting you and will keep doing so until you stop responding or admit that you where wrong.
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As if women dont mistreat men, lol. You are on your own woman, ain't no way i am saving u from anyone, since women are so "strong and independent" and dont need a man. Since women love to say "mind your own business" i will make sure to mind mine. Its funny how women tend to have sense of entitlement just because they can have babies , something that is all natural. You do that only for 9 months , so dont kid urself and that women being better "multitaskers" has been debunked so many times
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lmao fuck no, thats a privilege, and like all privileges they aren't for everyone. women must earn our protections. also what protection and providing? wtf is this? the mafia?
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I agree. And protection from potential attackers/life threatening situations. And the providing of basic resources necessary to live
+1 yi wouldn't call it an obligation. if you're with the right woman you don't feel obligated, you want to do it.
10 ReplyPROTECT YES but only when they can't defend themselves.
provide HELL NO10 Reply
+1 yNo, there is no obligation to protect or provide for another person based on gender alone.
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