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It is wrong to think men should protect all women, or even all children. If a man dies to protect the life of a stranger, he fails his family that counts on him. His loved ones should count a hell of a lot more, than than any number of strangers. In nature strangers were typically competitors for resources, if not outright enemies. To tell a man it is his place to risk his life for a stranger, is to tell him that his life counts for less, than any random stranger he will ever encounter.
Men only have a responsibility to protect the people in his inner circle. His family and friends for the most part will be the ones that fall under that category. The women, children and men in his inner circle should all fall under his protection. That is the natural order, because humans evolved to exist in smaller tribes.
In fact you can often see this natural order in play in many dangerous areas, where a woman will be walking with men she knows for protection, while men she doesn't know will try to harass her. Strangers instinctively are to either be feared, destroyed, or enslaved. This is why the human race has such a bloody dark past. Humans didn't evolve to get along in huge city sized populations. The men that are protectors of society are the police, military, firefighters, etc. They fill the gap in protecting society at large, and would not be needed if humans still lived in the environment we evolved in.
Good irony you got there, by putting Clinton in that question.
This goes to the core of men biology. They feel the need to protect the females, children, and even other men who look weaker. A friend of mine once told me, one of the reasons why there were no females in the battlefield was because men will feel the need to protect them and hence placing unnecessarily danger in the males lives.
With that been said, I feel men do what they feel biologically right, and norms and customs my rise around that, hence why you see often men protecting women and children.
Do they have the responsability or dury to do so?
No, unless special circumstances say otherwise.
Good irony you got there, by putting Clinton in that question.
Not everyone is smart enough to understand that lol
LOL
Now that I think about it, that lady on the picture looks identical to a young Monica lewinsky 😂
Yeah she's Monica 😅😅
Yes. Men have the advantage of physical strength over women and children. Seriously, instead of misusing it on harassing women and abusing children, use it to give protection. Because this is what we should do for a better world. Whatever you are capable of, make the most of it and help other people with it.
I once read a myTake in here where a woman wrote that she appreciates men helping her with carrying heavy objects, and in return she herself would help with whatever she is more capable of. I always believed in it but couldn't have said it better myself. I myself always help people with whatever I can. I know all girls aren't strong but I am, and I carry heavy sacs of rice and potatoes (I'm stronger than my brother lol so I carry heavier stuff even though he's 25). I also have a flexible body and it comes so handy when someone drops their pen in a place impossible to reach but I manage to bend in there and get it out in seconds LOL. I know it's funny but I seriously help people when they drop their pens. 😂
So yes, men in general should help women and children.
We might be more likely to protect you if we wasn't worried of being accused of harrassment for helping
@johnboymuscles well regarding that, I have one pro tip:
If either of you are getting stubborn at a point, then you better leave. Only exceptions are emergencies.
OK, it is not absolutely necessary to help women outside of your family and friends. But what about your close ones?
Just leave anyway. Let her drown in her own stubborness
@johnboymuscles lol true. If a woman gets stubborn or you see yourself getting stubborn that's where you know things are taking the wrong turn.
Last month my family and I all went abroad for travelling. My father and I used to take our bags, put them in the trolley or take out from the baggage etc work. In one airport, I was taking out the luggage by myself and one man in the airport stopped me and did it himself. I could understand why he would do that. I had a strong urge to tell him that it's fine I can do it but thought that it would be a waste of my time and energy so I didn't. Most people have issues with managing their ego/arrogance and this seriously applies to both genders. I have my own bad times as well, I admit.
Arrogance is cancer.
From my own experience, I don't walk around using men as a shield, but I have been in some situations where a man, either a friend, family member, or total stranger, has stepped in on my behalf to attempt to protect me from harm or harassment. Did I say, oh don't help me, I'm independent, I can do whatever, no because I really did need the help and I appreciated that.
I think it's simply called being a decent human being. I don't think a guy generally sets out to say, I protect women and children, but most people, not just guys, would step in to protect or help someone else in need because they feel the desire to help in their hearts. I can say I've done the absolute same for anyone who needed it.
Yes yes because men are stronger naturally and they are so so awesome! they can do that
I'm cringing a bit, haha... but you can think what you want.
Flattery will get you on the first lifeboat lol
That's not true. You're cuter ^^
If a woman worked out and got buff, she'd be stronger than the average man.
@Uhhjsshshdh I agree. Woman who want to be great can be great.
You should be more confident in your own gender Nicky.
Lol don't be a suck up I'm not risking my life for no stranger
(Feels a little heart broken T_T)
I wish women were naturally as strong as men, it would take a lot of burden off of guys. I'm all for women working out and getting buff.
@That1tallguy I agree that you should not risk his life for some random stranger. Value your own life.
@Uhhjsshshdh I wish I could be strong and look cute at the same time, but big muscles aren't all that pretty.
I kinda respect the guy who downvoted this. Sorry, Nicky.
I still followed you though cause you're still cute...
@Uhhjsshshdh not really, on average a man has almost 60% greater upper body strength then a woman and almost 50% greater lower body strength. Our skin is 25% thicker, our bones are also denser making our skeletal structure more resilient as well as our skin. We have fewer pain receptors and better capacity to deal with both physical pain and mental stress (which is why women are twice as likely to get PTSD then their male counter parts (and during the study the women had not even been on the frontlines as the men had)). Our bone structure in our face is more pronounced making it more resilient to blunt trauma. Males are also less adverse to negative stimuli meaning they are more willing to put themselves in dangerous situations, more able to do things that might physically harm them or scare them etc. all of which is necessary to put ones self in dangerous situations. We are built quite literally to fight and protect, its in our genetics and we cannot escape that.
@hellionthesagereborn "capacity to deal with mental stress" I think that's untrue. Emotionally, men are just as vulnerable as women.
This girl is sexist to her own gender lol
This is what you call a kiss up to men
Sorry, but girls who are doormats are useless. Girls who are independent and tomboyish are badass.
I would never save a girl from danger; she can save herself.
Lol and girls with strap ons are awesome for a sub like you huh
I'm not a doormat, and I don't depend on anyone, and I am "tomboyish" in many things, but there's nothing wrong with knowing facts. Men ARE naturally stronger, they ARE cabale of it more than women and children. They ARE built for providing protection. But probably not a man like you. Sorry, but wuss men are useless.
Find a man who likes the Princess in Distress types lol
@MidnightCowboy and @NickyBBB seem to have lowkey sexual tension for each other. I sense a kiss coming to end their argument.
@Uhhjsshshdh Lol nope
@Uhhjsshshdh men are stronger both on average, and in terms of potential, an woman is not going to get as much muscle mass as a man from a worked out, unless she takes male hormones.
@Berethor They are. What I mean is: buff woman vs average man = buff woman wins.
@nickyBBB if he use her strength only for self defense, then it's okay, but if she counts on waif-fu, it's works only in movies. In any case most women do not buff themselves anyway.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu
@nickyBBB my point is women that are paranoid or are more concerned about safety than others, they should take it upon themselves to bulk up and get buff.
I agree. I don't want to look buff. I'm into girls though, so I don't expect any man to protect me.
@Uhhjsshshdh you didn't take into consideration that most people don't see it as pretty for women, and that's one of the reasons that girls don't want to be muscular.
@Berethor Yes. I don't see at as pretty on anyone personally though.
@ScarletAngelic well that's because you are only into girls/femininity. ;)
@Berethor Yeah, I guess that's true ^^
@Uhhjsshshdh Its not about what you think, its about what is. As I said multiple studies done across cultures have all shown that men handle stress far better then women. Again I would point out the study where women who where not in combat where twice as likely to have post traumatic stress then the men who where actually in combat. Again, we know for a fact that men handle stress better then women, its just the way we are. Their is nothing wrong with that, in fact I find it rather sad that people think women have to be exactly like men or they are some how inferior, they are not we are just built for two different tasks.
@Uhhjsshshdh Again, the only way a woman is going to beat the average man is if she has at least 70% greater muscle mass then the average woman (highly unlikely) and even then you still run into the issue of her having lower bone density making her far less resilient to damage. So no, a buff woman at best will be as strong as the average man (and keep in mind that if you where to place a man against a woman the man will always hold back because again we are built to protect and as such are far more inclined to hold back if confronted by a violent woman). You would need a woman who was above average in strength and a man below average in strength for the woman to be able to have a fair chance against him if we are talking about just brute force.
@nickyBBB He was replying to " "capacity to deal with mental stress" I think that's untrue. Emotionally, men are just as vulnerable as women. " not my comments about women getting buff
touche for what?
Can't tell if your serious. Like it was a good point, or you disagree but I'm going to say good point anyway to end the conversation.
@hellionthesagereborn Yes, please end the convo. I'm getting a headache from all the notifications
@hellionthesagereborn I don't know. I've seen guys who handle stress way worse than me lol
@Uhhjsshshdh Then don't pay attention to them. That's kind of an inevitability on this site. @ScarletAngelic says you and people have a natural bias that favors them over all others. Scientific data shows otherwise, obviously their is always going to be individual variation but in general just as males are physically stronger then women and more resilient with higher thresholds for pain men are also generally more resilient when it comes to stress.
In today's society, no. He may get accused of sexual harassment in 20 years
This is totally true. Women are actually less likely to receive CPR than a man, simply because men are too afraid to even touch a woman to save her life at this point.
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@johnboymuscles
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@heavensgift2girls
That's true! I'd hate to be a man in this day and age... for the simple fact that even helping a woman in today's society could turn into him facing a lawsuit
deanonymized?
Yes, coz I didn't realize was lol
😂😂😂 I vote for you to get mho
@That1tallguy
Thanks 👍it's a fact.
@heavensgift2girls
That's because of stories like the Australian woman who had drowned and was rescued by a lifeguard, who she then tried to sue because he dared to TOUCH HER without her consent (by pulling her out of the water). Of course her case was thrown out, but the fact that some insane feminists would even TRY to sue someone for literally saving their life is enough to make men reconsider making an effort.
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everyone should be in the business of protecting women to the best of their ability.
i'd protect a woman the same way i'd protect a man... up until the point that my own personal safety is at risk
Well how do we define duty and responsibility? I would simply state that we are biologically inclined towards it so its rather inescapable as its in our DNA. I would also point out that the reason we do so is because women dictate the speed of reproduction and as such harm to women harms the species. For example, if we have ten women and ten men and nine men die we can still produce ten offspring but if nine women die, even with ten men (or more) you can still only get one offspring. This necessitates that men be the one to take the greater risk as we are far more expendable from a reproductive standpoint then women. That stated we shouldn't do it without something in return. The fact is if we make sacrifices and those sacrifices are not respected then what we have done is not only harmed ourselves but society and our species as we now have shown that selfishness is rewarding and our entire species relies on selflessness to survive. So while we have a duty to protect, that does not make it an entitlement for women, if that makes sense.
@Berethor Sort of. Not saying don't protect them, just afterwards remind them that they live because you allowed it so they don't get an over inflated ego (as I feel a lot of women have now a days). Or you could pull a sean connory on her if she after the fact claims she is a strong independent woman who doesn't need a man (though that's liable to get you in trouble).
I personally don't believe that it is solely one gender's responsibility to protect those who need protecting. I think it's more of a individual's characteristics to WANT to save someone. Person A could just walk by not giving a flying fuck while Person B darts over to ask if they need help, are they hurt, do they need medical attention or simply to ask if they are okay. Caring for a fellow human being must be paramount otherwise just keeping waling because I am sure most people would be like "Well, shit this ain't my business!" or "It wasn't my place to get involved". If you can do something about a particular situation where a person is in need of help then I believe by all means help. It should NOT fall under a man's or woman's responsibility.
I believe (to me), the deciding factor is ability. Do you have the ability to save a life, or protect one? If yes, then you have a duty. Not an obligation, but a duty.
@daanderson911 Being able to save one's life is great, but the fact that even if someone tried to help & even failed in doing so says volumes about that person too. Even if the person could not be able to help, the person in need of help will at least KNOW that someone is putting an effort in wanting to. Not disagreeing with you just wanting to put out another perspective.
You're exactly right. I don't mean to imply that you don't have a duty to try if you aren't going to be successful. I mean to say that an elderly grandmother in a wheelchair doesn't have a duty to act in the same way a firefighter would react in a fire. If that makes sense, but I absolutely agree with you.
No more rights over them, or to them- no custody, no alimony, no incentives, no positives AT ALL- means that we should be absolved of our responsibilities and duties to them. Not any more. I am NO-ONE's slave or lap-dog. They want to preach about equality, want to constantly scream "WE DON'T NEED YOU! FUCK MEN, FUCK THEM ALL, NONE OF US NEED MEN!"? Fine- then you can bloody well fare on your own, without the slightest bit of aid or protection from me. And that goes double for protecting those children which you demand sole custody over, solely out of spite, hatred or disdain for their fathers. You're equal? PROVE IT. You don't need anything from any man? PROVE IT. Children don't need fathers anyway? PROVE IT. Cause none of you are ever getting one jot of help from me, ever again. Fend for yourselves.
We are supposed to protect them, it's in our genetics!
That's TRUE masculinity if you didn't know (Male Justin Bieber fans TRIGGERED)😂
I won't mind at all dying to protect my crush, it would be so fuckin' epic to die in front of her face in the midst of conflict!🔥🔥
I can now imagine that we are walking together in the dark in the woods and suddenly we were attacked by a bear...
Luckily, I had "Run Through The Jungle" playing at full blast in my headphones while I was wrestling with the bear!😎😎😎
I should be the one protecting the girl in the pic. It'd look badass heehee.
Generally it's expected from a man, but an independent strong woman like Anita Sarkeesian need no man to protect her, as can be seen in the picture below. :)
All adults should protect children. Adults should be capable to taking care of themselves, regardless of gender.
What about men protecting women?
Is that Bill and Monica? Lol. Nah, but foreal nowadays girls are claiming not to need guys for that anymore. I guess laws and rules enforce themselves because women definitely aren't the ones enforcing them. Sure there's a female cop here and there. A few female soldiers as well - But "none" are on the front lines. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't ask most guys to be body guards either. But I would be a fool to hire female body guards over male.
Yeah, It's guys responsibility as a whole to protect the nation.
I might get thumbs down but I would love to hear arguments.
@nickyBBB You're not pathetic at all..
Yes. That's Bill and Monica
Lmao..
Not a random man to protect a random
Woman but a husbands duty to protect his children and wife yes.
So you not a fan of the dulcinea effect princess? :)
tvtropes.org/.../TheDulcineaEffect
Yes
As much as its anyone responsibility to protect life man, woman, kids, mutants
All to one and one to all
Google Bill Clinton: The Lady killer and you'll find your answer
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#TheMoreYouKnow
no cuz people can do whatever the fuck they want, they dont need to be constricted by these bullshit notions of how they should behave based on physical uncontrollable characteristics like sex, race, etc.
I think everyone has a responsibility to protect children. I don't really think men have the responsibility to protect women but it's generally not a bad thing to help out others regardless of their gender.
Double standards exist for a reason. The strong should protect the weak, not exploit them. Any man who would not protect his family is not a man at all.
If your talking about women in general like a stranger then hell No! Why should her life have more value then mine? If we're talking about friends and family then yea 4sure I'll look out for you regardless of gender.
Its ironic. U want men to protect women and children and then u feminists come up with anti male bullshit stuff.
by the way im not talking about u asker
Personally i think everyone should have a responsibility to look out for everyone but if the man is the stronger one or if he’s the breadwinner than it falls on him
People have a moral obligation to look out for each other gender doesn’t really need to play into it.
Also bill Clinton was pretty hard core anti-gun…
Nope.
Women wanted male privilege. Well they got male privilege. That means no more special treatment by men.
I have voted for the first answer , because it has always been like this...
No matter what radical feminists want to believe and preach , men from the antiquity till 1800s were the only who went to war and fought for their country and families (women and children). So yes it is a custom... I am not saying that women cannot fight or protect themselves , just men doing it better.
Yes. But women have a similar obligation. All within our individual powers.
About your update: I did not see earlier, that you mean THAT sort of protection. Putting a condom on a cigar will not hurt, though
No it wasn't talking about THAT sort of protection. I was talking in general :) tho loved this image
*love
The image is ok. But in this context Billy Boy Clinton is a somewhat dubious example.
Just as much as women has responsibility and duty to protect men and children. The important part is not the gender but the act of looking out for eachother.
No modern men are terrible protectors anyway I'm safer with a big dog and a gun
do modern women deserve to be protected?
@inlovewithyoue Modern women don't really need to be protected. No more than modern men do.
@ScarletAngelic women should be protected from other women
@inlovewithyoue Some of them haha.
I protect myself I don't look to men for protection because I'd be a waste of time im Happy with my gun and getting my big dog very soon
I have no gun but I feel completely safe because hardly anybody in my Country has them.
Everyone in my country has them
Yeah, that would kinda scare me.
@ScarletAngelic that is why in her country ordinary people kill whoever they want
Not true crazy people do and they go to jail for life ordinary people don't kill just cause I'm ordinary and I've never killed and don't know anyone outside the army who has
Gones are for protection I don't stay in a safe neighborhood a girl my age living alone in this area isn't safe
your country is not safe then
I would disagree: www.jacksonsun.com/.../
But why do you think that is?
More safe then a lot of other places I just live in a bad area
That was during a mass shooting a mass shooter is Not a ordinary mentally healthy person
how is it safe? people need guns because they are afraid of getting hurt
If I lived any where I'd still have a gun because I don't know any place where women who are alone are 100% safe if u do please tell me so I can move there
People are not allowed to own guns in my Country unless they have a reason for it.
Knives are common weapons as well
What country are you from?
Canada. Yeah, there was a school stabbing last year, but that's rare.
Canada had a mass shooting a yr ago right?
Maybe, I don't know. I'm from BC so I mostly here about the stuff that happens near where I live.
Yeah, some people can get ahold of guns, but it's harder.
The major gun violence stuff like that Vegas shooting was across the country from me but rapist and robbers are everywhere that's why I have a gun
My dad and brother went to las vagas for my brother's birthday at the time of the shooting there.
That's sucks at least they lived though gun violence is a problem in every country if they harder to obtain people will just get them illegally and u can't track a illegal gun
What do you mean? I was reffering to the fact that multiple men died their protecting their spouses, which can be seen in most every situation where their is a mass shooting. I was merely pointing out that men are still protectors, so if you don't feel they are then perhaps its where you are at or your culture that creates that rather then men.
Why do you say violence and rape is everywhere? statistically a womans chances of being raped are less then 1% a year, its not particularly common, in general. Where do you live that this would be common place?
1 in 5 women are raped in America...
No, that statistic isn't even a statistic its not backed by any credible source, according to FBI statistics its considerably less (and college campuses (where that statistic was actually directed towards) are even safer): www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf
articles.baltimoresun.com/.../bs-ed-rape-statistics-20140928_1_22-percent-13-percent-30-percent
In fact your actually safer then men are as 70% of all violent crimes are commited against men and the more violent the crime the more likely the victim is to be male (as males are adversed to harming women. Even in prison rapist and men who harm women are universally shunned).
K...
Just trying to point out that your fear is mostly in your head, their is obviously a danger but its minor (generally speaking, obviously bad neighborhoods are going to be worse and more dangerous then others). You just seemed really disenfranchised and I was trying to put your mind at ease (clearly not working).
Nope it's not at ease every woman or 18 in my family has been raped at least 1time but I left my old area because I got robbed and raped inside my fucking house (that wad the 3rd guy that raped me. In my life) I didn't feel safe there I packed my shit and left and got a gun the first 2 times I was raped I was a kid I got raped by my foster dad and brother multiple times and I was blamed for it by cps for being
"promiscuous" I was a 224 lb 13 yr old 🙄 but if you say I don't have nothing to worry about and I'm safe ok
@hellionthesagereborn One time a girl pulled down my shirt and looked at my bra in the middle of class...
@ScarletAngelic I live in Russia and never felt the need to carry a weapon with me
@inlovewithyoue Hmm
As I said it depends on the neighborhood and region but in general you don't. I've been raped too, multiple times, beaten and starved and stabbed in the head. Doesn't mean that's the norm, in fact its not most are stunned to hear it as most people will never experience that in their life (which is obviously a good thing).
@ScarletAngelic I was beaten and raped multiple times over the course of years, staved to the point where my skin was nearly transparent, and stabbed in the head. I was also groped by girls in middle school (this happened multiple times). I still stand by my statement that for the most part you don't have to worry about violence as statistically its highly unlikely and of course that is taking into account that if you live in the ghetto or particularly violent areas.
I don't think it should be a law, but yes, from a biological perspective, men have a primitive instinct to protect women and children, and that goes for women they aren't romantically interested in as well. That's why women are much less likely to get attacked or be the victim of a violent crime.
As a society we all have a responsibility to provide as safe an environment as we can for our fellow men, women, and children.
Depends i personally think yes but i also know feminazis that would say my way of thinking is arcaic and chauvinistic
They should but, it's not their responsibility. Women need to be stronger and, if the problem is bigger, then it should be the man's responsibility. It's the responsibility for every elder to protect children or, at least see there's no problem.
Bill Clinton is a high level organized criminal, traitor and rapist
Lol😂
Mind reading my question again? 😂
I already voted, this is just some insight
if your going to protect any one, it should be Children 1st and then women, but the women should be protecting the children
I think protecting children and women is man’s instinct
Women can fight their own battles, but children can't
I am looking for a woman who is independent and fight her own battles, not a doormat
Every adult has the responsibility to protect their fellow people and children and themselves.
Yes in as much as that is how our species has evolved. If we don't then we as a species become sick after a fashion and risk extinction.
Of course they do, they're the physically stronger after all, and women and children deserve protection if they're the man's, it's basically their right
It's biological. Of course, we do. And I would do it if I were in the position to do so.
Yes, because its in are nature as men as well as in Blood.
I wonder if over time we'll evolve into having more equal strength. Nature tends to do that.
I use to, but I no longer protect women, except for the ones in my family. I would never protect any other woman.
Man are designed protectors, guardians of the weak. We must protect both women and children.
Why? What benefit do men get for such great sacrifice?
@NerdInDenial What do we benefit? Nothing. Why do we must benefit from everything. That you're a snowflake, who cares only about himself as you're weak and pathetic, its not my problem. If you can't act like a man, don't call yourself as one as you're just shaming us with your way of thinking.
How am I a snowflake? I’m not offended by what you stated. I’m just curious why you would sacrifice yourself for a social dry that demonizes men? Act like a man? Aren’t you the one who is shaming me and others? I understand sacrifice and willing to die for what I believe.
@NerdInDenial You're a snowflake, because you want benefit for protecting someone. You seemingly don't understand what a man's responsibility is. Actually you fear to take any responsibility if you don't see any benefit from it. That's why you're a snowflake. And do you know who can be demonized? Who let himself. Where I'm from men act like men, and whenever someone tries to demonize men or women, the other side stands up for them, willingly, without gaining any benefit. That's what a responsible society do.
So you’re saying mercenaries are snowflakes; how about the police?
you saying women are weak?
@Guardian412 You are incredibly ignorant in the process of biological evolution. Men benefit from putting themselves in danger in order to defend the women who offer qualities that men cannot.
@unboblievable Comparing to men, yes. Its standard biology. Okay, don't count the present snowflake "men" generation that is thin as a tree branch and cannot defend even themselves. But real men are always stronger than women. Its how nature built us. There is only a very few exception, but that's the general case.
@stuntbrain To protect the weaker sex or children is a natural instinct evolved under thousands of years. Its in our nature to protect them, without gaining anything from it. Of course don't count the present day snowflake generation as they can't protect even themselves. But as I needed to defend my girlfriend from a knife attacker with bare hands in the past, I know I didn't get any benefit from it, yet it was my instinct to protect her as its in man's nature to act and to defend.
thats so brave of you man, i wouldve used her as a shield personally, but well done, you deserved that bj
@unboblievable The only benefit from that incident that since that time I carry a Walther P99, so next time I won't have to fight with bare hands, but I simply shoot the attacker through without hesitation. But defending a woman won't give you any reward, like a BJ or anything similar. When you have a girlfriend sex is natural, so you won't earn sex by defending her, as its natural in a good relationship. Defending her in an attack give you one reward, that she stays unharmed and alive. And if you do good, you'll stay alive as well. That's the best outcome.
@Guardian412 You've proven that you don't have the slightest clue about biology, and how it relates to evolution. The concept of men being predisposed as protectors is derived from the benefits that are naturally selected in order to provide the greatest return to genetic stability.
@stuntbrain Since I needed to defend a woman from a knife attacker in the past with bare hands, I do know what I'm speaking of. I don't give a damn about your theories. When you get into a situation where you have to defend a woman, then theories, biology and other things won't matter a thing. There you either fight and defend her, and hopefully you stay alive, or you run and your girlfriend may end up dead. There is no third option. So when you don't have a life experience in this matter, please don't lecture me about how things really go in real life. I don't care about biology, nor concepts and theories. I care about only personal experience in this matter, what seemingly you don't have.
You'd try and... kill them? With a gun?
@unboblievable If someone threatens to kill you, what would you do? Beg for mercy? That won't ever work as if someone wants to fight, that will fight, regardless what the media loves to preach about "peaceful" solutions. There is no peaceful solution. In a situation like that its either you, your girlfriend or the attacker. I prefer to stay alive and I also prefer to keep my girlfriend alive. Of course if possible I rather shot the attacker in the leg, but if someone won't stop and still a threat, that must be stopped. That's how we learned in the police. When a bad guy decided to attack someone, that one also dropped the right to have any right what normal citizens have.
@Guardian412 For some reason you assume that you're unique in the anecdotal situation mentioned, you're not. Also, this isn't just my opinion, although I wish it was. The entire point I'm trying to make is that the decision to fight against a potential threat instead of retreating is biologically ingrained in males as a primary response to danger.
No, if someone was threatening me I would figure out why it is that they were threatening me
@stuntbrain I'm not unique at all. But as you clearly don't have any experience in this matter, I won't really accept your word in this matter either as you're speaking about theories and concepts, while in the reality you've no experience in this matter at all. However the reason I don't understand why you're fighting with me, because we clearly speaking about the very same thing, the biologically ingrained response to defend, to protect. That's what I said in the very beginning that man was "designed" this way.
@unboblievable You won't have time to figure out things. Sometimes seconds decides between life and death. If you start to think, you may end up dead. Plain and simple. I know that liberal teaching is this what you believe in, but trust me, on the streets this way of liberal thinking end up you in a body bag. The reason why you won't ever figure out why people is threatening you is this; sometimes there is no reason behind the attacks. They're attacking people just because, without any true reason. For some idiot attacking others is the way of life, or an evil hobby if you prefer.
Yeah I Know what you mean, sometimes I friendly fire just for the fun of it
@Guardianr412 No one has been in your exact scenario, and I admit that you made the respectable decision to fight. So you're right, we agree on some things, yet strongly disagree on the factors that influence our decisions. Pure altruism does not meet the criteria for natural selection.
@stuntbrain there have been plenty people in worse situations. How about being stuck in foreign waters with their guns drawn at you?
@NerdInDenial Of course there have, much worse in fact.
@stuntbrain well he protected his girlfriend, so it's likely not come out of pure altruism, that said, he clearly prove his worth as a man by doing it, instead of being wimp and/or egoist.
@Berethor The entire point I'm making is that the decision to protect is not based in altruism. There are evolutionary benefits to acting as a protector.
@stuntbrain sure, the fact that women tend to prefer strong men to begin with is one of those benefits. There is some people who act out of pure altruism, but not many.
tvtropes.org/.../WomenPreferStrongMen
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RescueRomance
@Berethor altruism is in direct conflict with natural selection
Without a doubt. Men are biologically designed with a drive to act as protectors.
I would protect my own and then if need be, everyone else that i can save from harm - men, women, and children.
I hate the term protector. It gives the impression one is hoping for fights and picking fights so they can "protect". It's an uptight attitude.
@Berethor The protector attitude gives me the impression that they're glad dangers exist
lol I have more guts than most of the men I’ve encountered so far when it comes to real danger. But, if they want to help, sure..
You must hang out with a bunch of Soy Boys - they are on the rise you know...
NAAAHh ill protect the children, but females want to be treated as equals so they can protect themselves
only if they are getting a good salary and good benefits for doing so
By the rules of nature. Yes usually. By the rules of feminism. Let that bitch die.
if i care for them, i'd defend them.
if i don't, they can fend for themselves.
Yes and "Come with me if you want to live" is my favorite line.😉
Certainly that was the norm throughout human history. But women have killed that concept recently.
I think a woman who is healthy does not need a man to save her.
I will die for my loved ones. Men and child.
Men have no more responsibility to protect women than women have to protect men! Do women have a responsibility to protect men?
I disagree. Everyone should care for each-other.
But value yourself the most. Nobody has the responsibility to put them-self in-danger just to help others, and killing to help others isn't a heroic act.
Yes, absolutely.
They need to take care of each other
Yes but only their own.
How about Ted Kennedy Lady killer?
Children? Yes.
Women? Not anymore.
No it's not men's responsibility.
Of course they do. Why do you have to ask?
Only if get privileges in return of course.
Not anymore; women are as capable as men.
Women are capable yes. Are they physically capable to the same degree that we are? Not even close. Go Google the #2 women's soccer team in the world getting wrecked by a team teenage boys who weren't at national level. Or search the make boxer who had a sex change and then started boxing women, utterly trounced them and they were saying things like "I've never been so thoroughly overpowered in all my life."
That's what the higher levels of testoserone found in men do, enchance us phsysically. An ounce of muscle for a man exerts more strength than an ounce of muscle for a woman. Of course the trade off is that these higher levels are toxic and is largely why we die earlier than women.
The effects of testosterone are scientific fact, go look into it yourself if you don't believe me. It doesn't mean that women are worse than men, just different. Just like we aren't worse for not being able to become pregnant.
@ThatPersonOverThere of course men are capable, but why should men do protect women when women think they are equal. Do you not believe having rights means having responsibilities? Should women not be responsible for their survival?
My post didn't mention anything about rights or responsibilities. I'm merely stating that as a scientific truth that men are stronger than women on average because of our higher levels of testosterone.
@ThatPersonOverThere that wasn’t my argument; I’m just stating that women think they are as capable. If they think they can do it, let them. Men should not have to bail them out.
@Berethor However, in this case silence is consent.
No not at all
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