The same thing that happened to women. Women are much more promiscuous than they use to be. Many women are much more aggressive as well. I can't ask a woman on a date without being called sexist.
I can't compliment a woman these days without being called a catcaller, sexist, or strange.
Just as equally as you believe that traditional social norms surrounding men have deteriorated. Traditional Social norms surrounding women have also deteriorated. Promiscuity is one example. @rhonda333
Maybe perhaps some girls believe it maybe too much for them or aren’t into the same exact things you might be? Also, this generation has been changing soo much that things aren’t just like how they used to be. While there are some like this, that some of us do like and that may fit your personal criteria, there are some that would rather find someone that maybe find some comforts important to them and may feel it’s relaxing for them in that setting.
If it’s a first and or second date, maybe i’d agree with you, but as far as after that, it’d feel nice to go out in certain casuals when walking or so.
My mother would remember a time when she got dressed in the morning even though she wasn’t going anywhere, just to greet my dad when he came home. God Forbid he saw her without her hair done lol I think the guy you’re describing sounds pretty scummy. I don’t think all men are like that. Just like some women don’t pit any effort into themselves either.
"Comfort is not a factor given that the woman was in heels and hose and she had spent a lot of time on her appearance." Unless no one asked her to do that, in which case it's her choice not to be comfortable.
"Where's your sense of personal pride?" Clearly there's enough pride to not get hung up on what other people think.
"Don't you enjoy looking good any more?" Some do, I do, but I don't do suits or loafers. It's more like smart-casual at best. But guys never cared as much as women in my opinion. Most of the time they're okay with just being comfortable and not caring.
We could turn the question around. Why does it matter? Alternatively, you could get on their wavelength and we could all not give a damn about the threads on our back.
Unfortunately, the older women get, the more the men around their age prefer to go out with younger women. I personally feel the dating scene becomes more and more unfriendly toward women as they grow older. Here's hoping that you find an old-fashioned gentleman that fits your preference. You can, rightly, leave the younger, not-as-well-dressed men to the younger women.
It is really in how we grew up and what we saw that shows us how to act. With me I grew up with the classic movies where the males all wore suits and always looked good when they went out, so I always make it a point to look good going out with someone even if its a walk around the mall ill put on a nice pair of jeans and a black shirt tucked in
Big unicorns. You must be one of those females who keep asking "where are ALL the good men?".
And honestly saying this isn't any of your business but you have to understand, that times have changed drastically. We don't get to live like the baby boomers, so we adapt to what life throws at us. And what you see is the result of how things changed for the worse for not just men but for women as well.
I'll stop here now because i don't expect you to listen to me. More so since I'm one of those men, who got "affected" by the description you provided.
I know what u saying. I don't really know why the "real gentleman" got close to extinction, maybe because the women also changed a lot. they are less afraid of telling their options, I think that is good, but it makes the old "lovely lady and kind gentlemen" game, out dated. what do you think?
If you were underappreciated no matter what you do and even dissed more for trying harder... would you even try?
I don't think you've noticed but the only thing lower than being male... is straight... and even worse if you're white. There is no reason to put forth effort to impress people that hate you just for who you are.
So many people blaming newer generations when logically the real blame (if you want to point fingers) lies in the OP's generation not raising their children the way she thinks they should've been. Ultimately it comes down to a changing world. It's out of your control.
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Politically correct. People (women) feel pressured into "giving other people a chance" and "not judging a book by its cover", which ironically leads to people putting less and less effort into something.
I will also add that many young girls are sometimes dressed really nicely and are very beautiful, but are still far from being a "lady".
I have to help my husband dress for our date nights. It's never anything too dressy though. I'm talking nice shirt and a pair of chinos paired with a belt and casual but nice shoes. If I want to go all out and dress up to the nines well that's completely up to me.
I guess parents may be guilty of this, not teaching their children how they should act like, same for girls. But honestly, some people are just like that. That's HER problem she went out with someone like him. I still see men that put effort in their looks, don't worry. They aren't all gone.
Personally, for me, it comes off as disingenuous to wear something to a date that you would never wear otherwise. If I knew this girl who was a real sweatpants, tennis shoes and tank top kind of person who never wore anything else and then she showed up to a date with a layer of makeup, high heels and a super fancy dress, that would be a huge turn off. When I go on a date with someone, I want it to be just the two of us being natural and comfortable with each other. If the two of us aren't used to looking sharp and going to fancy places, then if we do that kind of stuff, the date isn't going to go well to me. That's why I prefer to avoid things that I don't naturally wear when going on a date. It makes things uncomfortable, and when things get uncomfortable, the date goes completely downhill.
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I know what you mean! Thankfully, my boyfriend is the old fashioned type with values to match. Always dressed in the right way for the occasion.
Same goes for my brother. Brought up to be a gentleman!
I like dressing neat, but I'll take Any chance I get to troll the wannabeish high society that think going to a restaurant means they have to dress up and compete over, what seems like, nothing. Hell, I've gone to dinner with my boss wearing sneakers and jogging gear. She got the joke. I just love seeing the other people turn their heads and cuss me out under their breath - priceless.
One guy not shaving and preferring to wear flip flops is not the end of the world. You may cease the exaggerrated accusations.
I will probably never be clean shaven because I hate how young it makes me look. I do, however, put effort into my appearance, but you're describing formal wear. And most guys, and even girls, aren't going to dress formally to a date. But you are describing an upscale restaurant, so most likely the guy just wasn't invested enough in the girl to properly present himself.
Ya I hate how everything is so "casual" now. Like even sex and marriage and having kids and doing your job. No one takes pride in what they do or how they present themselves anymore. 😔 Everything is just "oh I guess I'll do this. But I'm gonna do a crap job of it." And that's just sad.
I'm with you I don't get it. The only hat I'd ever wear to a date is a fedora. 😎 But ladies typically don't like that. So...
I'm a real man but where are the girls who knows how to cook delicious meals for their men, respect their men, submit to their men, make their houses shine and clean, take good care of their men and make them feel as kings of their castles...
That’s not what women are here for. Respect should go both ways in a relationship, and equal work should be put into keeping the house up. Whether that means cooking, cleaning, etc.
@_Izzy_ miss i wasn't talking to you and that's your own opinion...
My opinion says that women are here for these reasons, when i ask for a housewife, it's because i have a role outside to do while her role is at home...
Your view on 50/50 does not work for me like this, my 50/50 work is when i do my role as a man and she dkrs her's as a woman and yes this is 2018 and i know this.
You have your views and i have mine... that doesn't mean that your right and i'm wrong or vice versa!
@_Izzy_ our roles are equal as i mentioned, but jusy different, but these days with the lack of real men and demonic feminists waves and financial crisis...
The majority are doing equal roles in everything, where a man became a woman and a woman became a man.
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The same thing that happened to women. Women are much more promiscuous than they use to be. Many women are much more aggressive as well. I can't ask a woman on a date without being called sexist.
I can't compliment a woman these days without being called a catcaller, sexist, or strange.
Wait a minute, who said anything about female promiscuity?
Just as equally as you believe that traditional social norms surrounding men have deteriorated. Traditional Social norms surrounding women have also deteriorated. Promiscuity is one example. @rhonda333
Maybe perhaps some girls believe it maybe too much for them or aren’t into the same exact things you might be? Also, this generation has been changing soo much that things aren’t just like how they used to be. While there are some like this, that some of us do like and that may fit your personal criteria, there are some that would rather find someone that maybe find some comforts important to them and may feel it’s relaxing for them in that setting.
Maybe their underwear would be even more relaxing.
I think you maybe mixing “casual” with “extremes” ...
If it’s a first and or second date, maybe i’d agree with you, but as far as after that, it’d feel nice to go out in certain casuals when walking or so.
I’m a mix between both anyway.
My mother would remember a time when she got dressed in the morning even though she wasn’t going anywhere, just to greet my dad when he came home. God Forbid he saw her without her hair done lol
I think the guy you’re describing sounds pretty scummy. I don’t think all men are like that. Just like some women don’t pit any effort into themselves either.
Of course I was generalizing
"Comfort is not a factor given that the woman was in heels and hose and she had spent a lot of time on her appearance."
Unless no one asked her to do that, in which case it's her choice not to be comfortable.
"Where's your sense of personal pride?"
Clearly there's enough pride to not get hung up on what other people think.
"Don't you enjoy looking good any more?"
Some do, I do, but I don't do suits or loafers. It's more like smart-casual at best. But guys never cared as much as women in my opinion. Most of the time they're okay with just being comfortable and not caring.
We could turn the question around.
Why does it matter? Alternatively, you could get on their wavelength and we could all not give a damn about the threads on our back.
Unfortunately, the older women get, the more the men around their age prefer to go out with younger women. I personally feel the dating scene becomes more and more unfriendly toward women as they grow older. Here's hoping that you find an old-fashioned gentleman that fits your preference. You can, rightly, leave the younger, not-as-well-dressed men to the younger women.
I'm doing just fine and thank you.
It is really in how we grew up and what we saw that shows us how to act. With me I grew up with the classic movies where the males all wore suits and always looked good when they went out, so I always make it a point to look good going out with someone even if its a walk around the mall ill put on a nice pair of jeans and a black shirt tucked in
Big unicorns. You must be one of those females who keep asking "where are ALL the good men?".
And honestly saying this isn't any of your business but you have to understand, that times have changed drastically. We don't get to live like the baby boomers, so we adapt to what life throws at us. And what you see is the result of how things changed for the worse for not just men but for women as well.
I'll stop here now because i don't expect you to listen to me. More so since I'm one of those men, who got "affected" by the description you provided.
I know what u saying. I don't really know why the "real gentleman" got close to extinction, maybe because the women also changed a lot. they are less afraid of telling their options, I think that is good, but it makes the old "lovely lady and kind gentlemen" game, out dated. what do you think?
If you were underappreciated no matter what you do and even dissed more for trying harder... would you even try?
I don't think you've noticed but the only thing lower than being male... is straight... and even worse if you're white. There is no reason to put forth effort to impress people that hate you just for who you are.
Men had to be on their game years ago because they had women to consider. but now women wanna be men... so we don't have to try so hard anymore...
So many people blaming newer generations when logically the real blame (if you want to point fingers) lies in the OP's generation not raising their children the way she thinks they should've been. Ultimately it comes down to a changing world. It's out of your control.
Politically correct. People (women) feel pressured into "giving other people a chance" and "not judging a book by its cover", which ironically leads to people putting less and less effort into something.
I will also add that many young girls are sometimes dressed really nicely and are very beautiful, but are still far from being a "lady".
I have to help my husband dress for our date nights.
It's never anything too dressy though.
I'm talking nice shirt and a pair of chinos paired with a belt and casual but nice shoes.
If I want to go all out and dress up to the nines well that's completely up to me.
Why can't he dress himself? Is he that bad about fashion?
@Blunique he really doesn't have a clue my dear.
That's adorable. Good thing you are there.
I guess parents may be guilty of this, not teaching their children how they should act like, same for girls.
But honestly, some people are just like that. That's HER problem she went out with someone like him. I still see men that put effort in their looks, don't worry. They aren't all gone.
Yes agree, it is her problem if she's not insisting to loose the grunge look.
Personally, for me, it comes off as disingenuous to wear something to a date that you would never wear otherwise. If I knew this girl who was a real sweatpants, tennis shoes and tank top kind of person who never wore anything else and then she showed up to a date with a layer of makeup, high heels and a super fancy dress, that would be a huge turn off. When I go on a date with someone, I want it to be just the two of us being natural and comfortable with each other. If the two of us aren't used to looking sharp and going to fancy places, then if we do that kind of stuff, the date isn't going to go well to me. That's why I prefer to avoid things that I don't naturally wear when going on a date. It makes things uncomfortable, and when things get uncomfortable, the date goes completely downhill.
I know what you mean! Thankfully, my boyfriend is the old fashioned type with values to match. Always dressed in the right way for the occasion.
Same goes for my brother. Brought up to be a gentleman!
I like dressing neat, but I'll take Any chance I get to troll the wannabeish high society that think going to a restaurant means they have to dress up and compete over, what seems like, nothing. Hell, I've gone to dinner with my boss wearing sneakers and jogging gear. She got the joke. I just love seeing the other people turn their heads and cuss me out under their breath - priceless.
One guy not shaving and preferring to wear flip flops is not the end of the world. You may cease the exaggerrated accusations.
well perhaps he can defer hygiene as well
Lol how does the way he dresses has anything to do with hygiene.
You sound so annoying it's crazy 😂.
I will probably never be clean shaven because I hate how young it makes me look. I do, however, put effort into my appearance, but you're describing formal wear. And most guys, and even girls, aren't going to dress formally to a date. But you are describing an upscale restaurant, so most likely the guy just wasn't invested enough in the girl to properly present himself.
Ya I hate how everything is so "casual" now. Like even sex and marriage and having kids and doing your job. No one takes pride in what they do or how they present themselves anymore. 😔 Everything is just "oh I guess I'll do this. But I'm gonna do a crap job of it." And that's just sad.
I'm with you I don't get it. The only hat I'd ever wear to a date is a fedora. 😎
But ladies typically don't like that. So...
I'm a real man but where are the girls who knows how to cook delicious meals for their men, respect their men, submit to their men, make their houses shine and clean, take good care of their men and make them feel as kings of their castles...
Are you one of those ladies?
That’s not what women are here for. Respect should go both ways in a relationship, and equal work should be put into keeping the house up. Whether that means cooking, cleaning, etc.
@_Izzy_ miss i wasn't talking to you and that's your own opinion...
My opinion says that women are here for these reasons, when i ask for a housewife, it's because i have a role outside to do while her role is at home...
Your view on 50/50 does not work for me like this, my 50/50 work is when i do my role as a man and she dkrs her's as a woman and yes this is 2018 and i know this.
You have your views and i have mine... that doesn't mean that your right and i'm wrong or vice versa!
I respect your opinion, I’ll just never understand why humans wouldn’t want everyone to play equal roles in life.
@_Izzy_ our roles are equal as i mentioned, but jusy different, but these days with the lack of real men and demonic feminists waves and financial crisis...
The majority are doing equal roles in everything, where a man became a woman and a woman became a man.