it is not Men's fault. the society pushes these 'unnatural' standards to them as their 'natural' nature. femininity exists in men, so the masculinity in women. But does that mean that women can be masculine and men can be feminine? no.
first, there is a misunderstanding of femininity and masculinity in today's world made by feminism. both their images are shown and advocated as their extremes. but what does that mean? imagine it this way, imagine femininity and masculinity as two poles in a magnet. both are needed to create a field and attraction. now, both of these poles exist in both men and women. But, in women S being weaker leaning towards N and in men N being weaker leaning towards S. S is femininity in women and N is masculinity. that being said, that means very simply, Women have a stronger perception of masculinity and so sense of detecting masculinity and men a stronger perception of femininity and so detecting femininity as they 'need' these traits for completing the making of the magnetic field. and what does that mean again? it means men and women mutually naturally learn each other 'how' to be a man and how to be a woman with their stronger perception of the nature of each other.
That being said, otherwise, what will happen? the masculinity in men will lean towards femininity and to gain that balance they will become psychologically and even physically (hormonal) more feminine. and so women will lean towards their N and become more masculine psychologically and again physically, because physically there will be always hormonal changes with changing mentality as hormonal changes can change mentality.
This is what is happening in our society. a misleading of a magnetic field. very simple. with separating the genders from each other, keeping both genders from gaining an understanding from their own gender 'by' the opposite gender. And in a future society these Ns leaning towards S and S leaning towards N will make more N get confused about S...
…and more S get confused about N. that we can see already in the society.
Now how feminists show it? they show men as an absolute N attracting women and women as an absolute S getting controlled by N. What is the irony here? As I said perception of N in men is ‘weaker’ and it is in women that N is stronger. That being said, the stronger a man is the more attracted he is towards ‘femininity’ not ‘masculinity’, that is what creates the ‘protecting owner’s’ behavior in men. the irony here? That means The image that the feminists show of “Stronger” men is a naturally the image a feminine leaning towards her masculinity, and in reality it is the same with the image of the “Weaker” men. The cheater, non- ambitious, laid back, non-caring, uncontrolled, violent men. made of their imbalance inside.
But where this image come from? This unreal image comes from the mind of a woman who is already leaning towards her masculinity from inside from lacking of an understanding of femininity made by ‘weaker’ men, through violence, uncontrolled behaviour. The feminists.
That being said, A man naturally has no idea what is real masculinity from childhood, while a woman has this instinct of detecting masculinity naturally inside her. So here a man naturally ‘Cannot’ even understand the level of violent masculinity shown to him as him and being taught to him to be feared of from childhood.
And what do they do with this? They are making These ‘weak’ men out of many men who have the potential to be the ideal image of masculine. And so in an equal way creating these feminine who lean towards their masculinity and as I said, are closest to weak men. Traits both have in common? Cheater, non- ambitious, lack of caring, uncontrolled, mentally weak, illogical, violent in times, and overall Imbalanced personalities.
practically increasing the level of cheat, separation, violence, lack of caring and understanding of each other and in a whole image disorder in the society.
Because feminism told them there is little difference between the sexes. Because it told them being a leader in a relationship is always the same as being an abusive sociopath. Because it told them that they will be mocked, condemned and shamed if they act manly. The bit that is not condemned is turned into a parody of what a man is. Their sexuality is demonised, female put on a pedestal. Because feminism turned women into these annoying harpies who all behave like they want to have a penis, forgetting all manner of womanly virtue and feelings. Women who use to make them better, are now stupid, emotional dudes with vaginas. Because half of them don't have a male role model, and if they do, most of those are emasculated as well.
Their purpose of provider and protector has been stolen from them and is being half-assed by women all around the world, leaving them to pick up the slack anyway, only now for less credit. Why in the world would they not feel apathetic towards life?
We women failed for creating feminism and men have failed for letting it happen.
It was a huge mistake, it needs to go.
Bless you.
I see your points making the asker look like dog crap.
I don't like woman who blame what they made of this generation. I like it as it is now, if it would change it won't be better, still the past was made by girls being evil creatures, witches n shit, today the evil creatures are bulky women and conchita sausages
I know people always talk about this on the Internet, but in real life I find no shortage of masculine guys to date. Like I thought chivalry was supposed to be dying out, but no guy I've been out with has ever not held the door for me, insisted on paying on the first date, lent me a coat when it's cold, walked me to my car, asked me to text when I'm home safe., etc. It's like they all read the same manual or something; they're not shy about making first moves either, and weren't whiny, lazy, unsuccessful, or anything. So, I don't know where people are finding these other guys. Or maybe I just don't register those guys as potential partners.
First of all, fcuk you.
Second of all, who died and made you the authority and definition police of what it means to be a man?
Third, unless all these men are getting a sex change operation done, then they can come back and show you a physician's report that they are in fact still a man - the so-called "real man" certification.
So, nothing has actually happened to "men" being "men."
If you want something from other people who happen to be men, so that you don't have to do it yourself, then just come out and say that (so that society can rightfully sh*t on your soul and pass correct judgment upon you). But, don't try and engage in this 12-year-old high school girl manipulation tactic of putting someone's sexual identity and personal identity into question unless they satisfy the requirements of your self-serving definition you put before them... especially if you're not even part of that gender lol
If men want your opinion on how to live their life and and guidance on the existential question of what it means to be a human man in this world, I'm sure they'll come ask you the way all those other men have been coming around to ask you thus far.
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Superb answer. Undeniably the best.
Feminism. The Nanny-State. Men having their hands tied behind their backs and being told that defending themselves is wrong, that being aggressive is wrong, that No means No, to respect women or get arrested for Harassment.
A lot of reasons actually. I suspect most women don't really feel that way and that this feminist-driven propaganda is being imposed by a minority. This explains why "alphas" get all the women, why chicks only like "assholes" so on and so forth. Meanwhile all the lazy, whiny, ambition-less guys are simply a product of feminized society. Can't really blame them; they're just following the rules.
I don't know... I would never date an asshole. Aggressive doesn't equate violence. You can be aggressive and have confidence. I don't buy this Alpha stuff, but I do think you have a good point about them not being raised a certain way. Wonder if it has to do with so many parents splitting and guys not having a father figure around ( if that is the case ).
Yes, absolutely plays a role. Being raised by mom and then going to school where the kids are taught by a mostly female faculty during all their formative years? BIG REASON.
Like I said, shit like, "use your words" and how kids are being taught to be politically correct at school is a form of feminization. Your teaching boys that it's bad to be aggressive. And yes you are correct about aggression and violence but someimes the two do go hand in hand, especially at a young age, but if you're curbing everything from the get go the young boys never have opportunity to learn; they assume aggression and violence are the same and avoid both.
You should see how kids respond to male role models. It's completely different. I used to work at an elementary school and the kids treated me differently and responded to me differently. It was like that thing where your mom would threaten to tell dad and you'd beg her not to lmao.
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Ah, yet another person enforcing gender roles just because their parents told them that was the "right" way, instead of learning to think on their own and realizing that human behavior is diverse, and the polarity of masculinity and femininity are just nonsensical abstractions. Generalization based on gender is an error, none of your claims matter on the level of an individual.
That, and if you truly want to adhere to your claim, you should probably get back to birthing kids and being a house-slave. We won't stop you if that's all you think you're worthwhile for. Albeit it's a waste of feminism's efforts, but sure, go ahead and squander it all.
"you should probably get back to birthing kids and being a house-slave"
please Mesonfielde don't repeat feminists nonsense about women. If we were house slaves till a hundred years ago then men were was slaves and work slaves and 'working on farm from morning to night' slaves. Life was HARD. if women wanted to bash and do everything they want like now the societies would be destroyed long ago. the overall hygiene was very low until a hundred years ago and many children died at birth or 5 early years. more children were needed to be born in order to keep a family going healthy. read a bit about societies. it was not always as easy as it is now, you sitting in your house having vaccines from childhood making you immune to sicknesses and if you get a cold going to medical centre in two minutes with taxi and cure it. people died of cold. in that situations not having a strong structure of family killed you in days. not having a caring mother working at house taking care of children...
... would destroy the families and so the societies. we did and do it by 'will' not by force. that is only a made up nonsense to advocate and demand advantages in the society.
war slaves* in the second line.
@wölfin-fräulein The fact that technology and society has advanced so much in so little time is the reason why our customs should adapt to this environment as well, rather than clinging to obsolete ideas from the past.
"The fact that technology and society has advanced so much in so little time"
neither society nor technology has advanced in so little time. everything we have now has a history of thousands of years searching. and those advances were all made in a very strong structure of society and came out of strong families. even today's advances was all made by men grown up in such families. it is not even 20 years since these standards got 'obsolete' in the eyes of the few, who are mostly of the average people in the society not of those elite minds who are the real people creating these advances in the society. the structure of the true family, not the image feminists show of it, is never and will never be obsolete in the eyes of those who know what is society and the survival of a healthy generation.
every decent, powerful and educated man and woman still believes in family as it was in the past. but with a difference of life getting easier, and both genders being able to do 'more'...
... besides their parts as the keepers of this structure.
Good. Still obsolete now.
no. but it seems you want it very badly to become obsolete. that will happen to you, your wish will be granted.
the masses were always controlled by the few. and I was never compassionate towards the masses who lean towards disorder than order.
as for us, we, will keep ourselves high. and are careless about looking down. natural selection and self organization are still at work. they never stopped working anyway.
@wölfin-fräulein honestly, that's a bit too cryptic for me to decypher, but i'll say this - the only reason why the current gender system still exists, is because many people still believe in it. It's just like religion - it's just a concept system that exists as long as there are people who think it's valid and true. I don't believe in it, I don't need yet another pointless religion.
Because women don't want to be hit on and asked out.
More accurately, women don't want to be hit on my the overwhelming majority of males. This is a friendly reminder that for every male that a girl wants to approach her, there's a dozen that she wants nothing to do with. Is it manly to be the guy who hits on her, despite obvious signals not to? That's more like shooting yourself in the foot- yeah, it takes balls, but in the end it's just really stupid.
Not to mention, what happened to the standards for women? How did we get from something classy like dancing to something trashy like grinding (or worse, twerking)? I learned how to stitch up my clothing, what's with women being unable to sew? I learned to grill meats, why can't so many women fix a simple soup, or bake something from scratch? Despite all this, why are young women's standards higher than ever before? Why do modern women have such a problem with commitment to a good catch (I know he's smart, cute, and well-off, but is he the BEST I can do?) Why has basic diet and exercise been forsaken (not only women, but all of America)? Do I really want to ask out a girl who's had more sexual partners than dates? And most importantly, why would I ever ask out a girl who has to deign to give me the time of day?
I want to second @inamorata, @Zina99, @wölfin-fräulein, @SteelMagnum, @ThatBritishLad, and @Pariah_Dog.
Also, lest we forget: excess estrogen.
For women, excess estrogen brings with it a greater risk of obesity, depression, and timidity. Obesity lowers attractiveness, which inspires fewer men to approach, so men turn their attention to an ever-shrinking dating pool of women, which brings tougher competition from other men, which results in the self-esteem of more men getting damaged more often. Depression lowers attractivess, so it has the same effect as obesity, except that it also produces more relationship problems by causing more arguments, helplessness, and damage to men's self-esteem (i. e., they don't feel man enough to make their woman happy). Greater timidity inhibits women from joining men in having fun, so men have to give constant pep talks, which makes men have a worse time, which lowers the appeal men see in women.
For men, excess estrogen brings with it a greater risk of obesity, depression, timidity, loss of muscle tone, shrinking testes, fatigue, lower energy levels, poor memory, less stress tolerance, and erectile dysfunction. Again we see obesity, depression, and timidity playing a role, which just compounds on the problems mentioned before. The loss of muscle tone, shrinking testes, and erectile dysfunction, certainly don't help men feel confident about themselves, especially as women have begun shouting for "REAL men". The poor memory has caused them more trouble in getting a high education, which doesn't help their self-esteem any. Their lower stress tolerance, combined with millions of women thinking that being an asshole is the same thing as being hard to get, doesn't inspire men to approach except by indirect means, such as trying to become their friend first, but then they get lambasted for being Nice Guys (tm).
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Two men downvoted. Tell me, do you two suppose that estrogen has no effect on men? Do you suppose that most men have the low amounts of estrogen that their distant ancestors had? In both cases, you would be wrong.
Estrogen is everywhere. It's in your water thanks to birth control pills. It's elevated by the fluoride in your water and toothpaste. It's elevated by mercury in the fish you eat. It's elevated by hops in the beer you drink. It's in your beef and chicken thanks to injections to fatten up these animals. It's in the styrofoam these meats are placed on. It's leaked into your milk, soda, fruit juices, and vegetable juices by the plastic jugs they're put in. It's in our fat cells and we're suffering an obesity epidemic. It's elevated by refined cane sugar, which is in pretty much everything. It's elevated by bromide, which is in 99% of the bread you eat. Again, estrogen is EVERYWHERE.
Men are not as manly today as we once were, because we are being POISONED.
I think the QA's statement is generalizing a bit far, but in some ways she's right.
I would say that generation X Y and Z have been brought up under much different societal transformations than ones prior. Men of this generation might fear asking women out because of the messages they've been brought up with. Super strict sexual harassment policies in school and the work place that do not distinguish the difference between flirting and sexual harassment. Most sensible men don't want to be sex pests, and if you teach them that flirting could get them in trouble and destroy their reputation, they're not likely to take those risks. Then you have feminist care takers of young children who demonize rough and tumble play, and try to get the boys to behave and play more like little girls. Many fail to realize boys and girls are way different, regardless what gender roles you push or don't push onto them. Then there's all the women's organizations who's sole purpose is to focus on advancing women in academics only. This is why we are seeing more women making the honor role, getting scholarships, valedictorians, and and have an overall lower drop-out rate than men. This generation will see more wives being the breadwinner of the family. I'm not saying that advancing women in society is a bad thing. But it is when you flat-out disregard the other half the population, as it impacts them negatively.
You are tapping into a new subject... one which I have addressed here and since many other GaGers have copied. The subject is more about the changing landscape between men and women as women achieve equality. Writers and sociologists in very recent times have begun to notice and books like "Manning Up" by Kay Hymowitz and "Man Down" by Don Abrams have begun to appear on bookshelves and at Amazon. Hymowitz writes about some of the duplicity women want and why men dislike it while Abrams writes about why women make better employees and managers.
Some the arguments these authors make are simple and straightforward and others are complicated. I will use Manning Up. Hymowitz writes that a lot of men in their 20's and 30's are fed up. Women have and are achieving equality. They are in organized sports, in the gym, the boardroom and they choose careers in law, business and medicine and run for the President of the United States. There are more females than males enrolled in colleges and universities located in cities. Yet when it comes to romance women aren't so sure they want equality. Men look at the situation and say to themselves I am supposed to make eye contact, then approach, strike up a conversation, ask for a phone number, ask and pay for the first date, lean over for the first kiss, ask for the second date, take the lead on sex, be dominant in the bedroom, buy the first present, ask her to be my GF, buy a ring and get down on one knee, all while women demand equality... like WTF? (And yes I know women ask men out, but let's keep it mainstream.)
There are more complicated arguments about women being financially independent and feeling they can put men through more picky "shit tests" than ever before. It's no accident that sites like Men Going Their Own Way, Nomarriage. com, and EternalBachelor. com have popped up. Male bloggers on these sites are particularly caustic... to say the least.
I am out of space here, BUT you are on to a mega-trend... for sure!
I can't speak for any but myself, but I think that I am still, a "MAN". I don't know if I understand, or ever will, all the facets of 'feminism' or what 'women want'.
Chris Rock said, when asked what women want, "EVERYTHING!!!"
I can't do that, and nobody can! I ADORE women, and I think that they are AMAZING in every way!!! Even when they confuse me to the point of yelling in utter frustration, I cannot help but ADORE them!!
I love how they smell, their PATHOLOGICAL ADDICTION to their appearance, though I would think that they are BEAUTIFUL in yesterday's wrinkled dress and no make up at all!!
I open doors, and I offer my hand, even though some don't take it, or seem offended.
It isn't that I think you are weak, or inferior, or anything like that!!
What I learned, from my dad, my grandfather, and The Classics, is Honor, and Respect! With a touch of ADORATION, maybe!
I Honestly believe that women could probably live, just fine, without guys, being happy, chubby smiling people, eating chocolates every day without a care!!
But there is still something, in you, in us, that makes us NEED each other.
I don't think that she is a 'princess' but more like my companion, and the little things I do, taking her hand, opening doors, bringing her flowers or cooking her an amazing dinner with an amazing wine, are all special gifts, and offerings of respect, and adoration, for her, my beloved. . .
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Feminism happened.
Feminism lead to a tremendous increase in divorce, unwed parents, and women raising boys without a strong (or often any) male role model. Feminism influenced society's view that men should not "act like men" because that directly victimized all women. Women wanted men to "have feelings" and "share" and "be sensitive", and now, they've gotten their wish.
Fortunately, some of us men figured all that out and learned that we could be decent human beings without giving up our manhood and maleness, though that still offends the more radical feminists.
funny and sad that two men down voted you.
So being feminine means to be lazy, whiny, have no ambition, etc. Quite interesting as most people don't attribute being feminine to those characteristics.
I see just as many lazy whiny girls as men. This is not gender specific. We have masculine women as well flaunting this "I don't need a man" attitude. Some people just prefer to be the opposite.
Also, telling guys to "man up" really just means you're bitter and think you deserve some amazing Mr. Perfect guy when you should earn one yourself. These "real men" you refer don't have time for dead weight. You gotta show them you're worth their time. Being too scared to ask them out when they don't notice your wallflower existence isn't gonna get you anywhere. "Real men" want "real women." You get what you put into it.
I guess if we're going back to gender roles then I've got some laundry that needs done, I'm pretty hungry to and hey shouldn't you have pushed out a son by now to continue my bloodline?
Humanity in all it's entirety are all different. It's where the term came from. Neither men or women all share a single characteristic.
If you're looking for a tough manly man I'm sure if you scour the gutters you'll find some high strung ass hole who won't eat "rabbit food" and believes in the bullshit in the beginning of my post.
Some of it could be social influence. Society tolerates people being weak thesedays. and sometimes encourages it. Being self-sufficient is almost a thing of the past.
I think the food chain has been an ever bigger influence. Toxic chemicals in food and in the environment have been reducing male hormone levels world-wide, and across all age groups, at about 1% per year for more than 30 years. When a young man of today reaches his father's age, he will have about 30% less male hormones than his father has now. Some of this damage was done to him before he was even born.
Guys what she's trying to say is, why can't men ask a girl out? Why are they Lazy and want things handed to them? Why can't they treat a woman right? Why can't they even ask a girl out?
Guys these days are whipped, they aren't good with girls, cjeap basic, pick up line shit, scared of rejection, can't talk to girls..
I was like that, people need to learn how to converse and ask women out. Most of their efforts are pathetic and can't land thenselves hot girls with the belief they are too ugly or notpopular.
Too bloody right mate
"What happened to men being MEN?
Seems nowadays most guys are more feminine than most girls! They seem lazy, whinny, no ambition, can't get their hands dirty, don't know how to treat a woman and last, are too scared to approach a female and ask her out. Man up men! "
What happened to women being WOMEN?
Seems nowadays most women are more masculine than most guys! They seem bitchy, bossy, angry and too money hungry, they want their cake and eat it too, want to be princesses but also want 'equality' when it suits them and can't get their butts into the kitchen where they belong!
Now seriously apart from your horrid sexist rant why don't YOU "woman up" , grow some ovaries and DO THE ASKING.
Guys are TIRED of bitchy women, ENTITLED women, who think they should have everything and the SPIT on the men who deliver it.
ENOUGH !
Oh and you can thank feminism for this. Enjoy your "liberation", now go pay your own damn dinner!
I found the men's right activist.
hah, hardly. But i've seen enough double standards on this site alone to form my own opinion my dear white knight.
Just because i adopt their 'terms" doesn't make me one.
can't get their butts into the kitchen where they belong! === I'm hurt by this lmao. While I'm at it what kind of sandwich do you want?
I'm not advocating that retrograde crap with the kitchen, but she REALLY needed a good smacking to see the other side of her sexist rant.
Kitchen where they belong. Now THAT'S sexist
I wish people would read ALL the damn conversation before replying...
I concur.
I'm a real man and most women think I'm an arsehole, so go figure.
I honestly don't think women know what it takes to be a real man, because they're women not men and for some strange reason men are trying to make themselves accessible to women by catering to women's preconceived notions about what it takes to be a real man, therefore losing their identity as well as their balls.
How I learnt to be a man was simple upon arriving at London Zoo as a hyperactive six year old child, I stumbled upon the Gorilla section and there were these huge silverback gorillas stumbling around and the males to be epitomized alpha male behaviour, so now whenever I need to find my balls I say to myself "Now, now Mr Octagon, if a silverback gorilla was in your predicament how would he react to this situation!" and surprisingly it works rather well.
Who the fuck are you to tell men to "man up"? People can do whatever they want, and in the end, they're the ones who suffer from the consequences of their own actions. Women nowadays aren't exactly perfect either.
What happened to women? They want to be equal to men, but only when they benefit from it. Most women (not all women) want jobs, power and money like men and expect men to share those things with them in society but ask a woman if she wants to share the benefits of being a woman in the dating game (Being the chooser aka be the one to get asked out, never having to pay for a date or never paying the whole bill on a date and controlling when sex happens in a relationship ) I'm pretty sure women will never give those benefits up.
Because women beat men down. We can't ask out some1 with being acussed of sex herassment. Or stalking. So men can't joke or ask someone out without getting sued. Can't check out someone without getting fired. Hell u can get kicked out of bar because a woman asks
I agree with u i keep seeing guys getting manicure anddm going to spas and this thing about being metrosexual i just stupid is was made up. by some gay guys. i am a mans man i watch football drink. beer work on. cars sweat like man when i workout and i do go up to women with confidence and get a number at least and if i had sex i. pretty sure i will. be the man and take control. done worry there are some actually good mans man out there and to the pretty boys be a man because that's what women really want
Feminism happened. That's what.
The good men are too afraid to approach most women because if they do, and the woman thinks they aren't attractive enough, they will call them a creeper. Men are also wary of false rape accusations. No means no and yes means yes until she changes her mind halfway through or even afterwards. Then it's rape.
The bad boys don't give a crap, so they go ahead and approach women. Then, when the women get pumped and dumped, they cry about how there are no good men anymore.
I'm not saying women should accept all advances, but be more tactful about turning a guy down, please.
After after sex they change their minds after realizing the have a boyfriend and are willing to throw the fling in jail to "save her reputation."
This is a bullshit question. As if girly girl anon above knows how to be a man. It's all vision that clouds the reality that sits in front of us. For some reason out society can't simply accept who we are. We are all individuals but some of us, and I mean a lot of us, can't get that through their thick skull. being a man doesn't mean you automatically have to meet the so called standards set in place.
I'm trying to think where it all went wrong for Men. Maybe not having manly fathers, plus the strong pro-Independent Woman movement and Chivalry is sexist/we want sensitive Men thing killed it off and confused the rest.
Next time a wuss backs out of an approach shout: "Hey you, Man up!" lol
Men didn't magically turn out that way in the past. They were specifically raised to be 'men'. And that stopped being done in many areas perhaps 45 years ago and its spread since.
I still love chivalry and many good men out there. I think you are involved with unmanly man now. If the guy u referring now is making u frustrated I think you will not develop any respect for him. Find a man that worth your respect and you will know there are good men😁
Question: Do you act like a lady? if not then screw off you hypocrite. If yes than I can see your dilemma. Mainly it's because Society tells boys they have to find some nebulous perfect middle ground between masculinity and femininity which confuses them then the media runs a fear campaign and the femininity wins over after everyone is left permanently stressed and depressed.
Sure women are lazy, whinny, no ambition, can't get their hands dirty, and don't know how to treat other women... make sense :)
Hahaha, thanks for pointing out this spectacular self burn. +1
Because no matter what a bloke does nowadays, he's made out to be a filthy privileged rapist. I always stick to my holding the door analogy: Hold the door open for a woman, you're sexist. Close it in their face, you're sexist.
I think its because most ladies nowadays are more "modern" and feel the need to step in before the guys are actually ready. Now you see females of all ages asking the guys out. Sometimes even getting them presents. When in reality it should be the woman who gets flattered.
What happened to women being women. If you want a traditional MAN you gotta play traditional lady.
Men are humans, so are women. Why do we keep putting rules in how we have to act according to our gender?
Because "who we are" is based on our perception of ourselves. And if the world doesn't shape that perception into it's most functional form, we're going to latch onto the first thing that comes our way and offers us an identity. And when you take away gender identity, it becomes replaced by promotion of effeminate men and tomboys, resulting in just that, when those same guys and girls would be fitting in their gender role in different society and calling it "who they are".
Some part of us is innate, but a big part of us is given by what we encounter.
It's up to us to figure out what behavior deserves more reward by seeing which one has more merit. There is no neutral ground. It can't be done. We humans flock into groups and always build something to replace what's missing. So lets not reward something that doesn't have the most merit and doesn't represent greatest form of harmony.
"They seem lazy, whinny, no ambition, can't get their hands dirty, don't know how to treat a woman and last, are too scared to approach a female and ask her out" so these are things that all women do? Wow.
Oh yeah I totally agree! I mean you don't need to work the fields or whatever to be more manly but we are awash with skinny jeans and men getting chest waxes... it's mind boggling!
Although men being too scared to approach a female and ask her out is a lot more about a sharp increase in fake assault charges, rape charges and so on being thrown at guys just because that particular woman was nuts, most guys just don't want to deal with that possibility!
Feminism happened.
Don't peddle feminism and then whine about the consequences.
It's sad how fat, ugly and insecure women like QA, who can't attract a man to save their life, become so bitter that they feel the need to lash out and hurt men with "questions" like this. How sad and pathetic a "life" she must lead.
Poor thing.
Although I agree on the bitterness and lashing out of Asker, what are these fat and ugly comments based on?
You're behaving no better than Asker by throwing baseless appearance attacks with the sane level of bitterness.
LOL @MaskedSanity judging me for my response.
The fact is that women with the bitterness displayed by the QA are almost invariably fat and ugly. That is the source of their bitterness because they can't attract a man so they turn bitter and lash out at all men.
I'm just calling it like it is... not going to sugar coat it for you, sugar.
The most common way of attacking a woman is to insult her appearance.
You could have called her delusional, entitled, angry, etc., but you chose to attack her looks.
Many attractive women go from asshole to douchebag and that's usually the result of having a shifty personality. These same attractive women mat be dating a good guy, but their shitty attitudes ruin the relationship and they blame it all on the man.
In short, my point was that your jab at Asker's looks is uncalled for and might not even be true, even though she sounds like a cunt.
My "jab" at the QA was fact based. As I said, when women are as bitter as QA is toward men it is almost invariably rooted in their unattractiveness and resulting inability to have any success with men.
Your anger here is misplaced, and I suspect you're smart enough to know that. You should have followed you brain here rather than your heart.
I stand but what I originally wrote.
Look around on craigslist personals where women seek men. The ad titles have BBW and stuff yet they're asking for fit males and talking about how they need to be "real men."
@Theguyoverthere - right on. I will never understand how women like MaskedSanity feel OK about defending anyone like the QA. All she's does here is further undermine respect for women at a time when it's the last thing her gender needs. The "question" from the QA speaks for itself and there's no doubt about what she is among anyone who read it, so doing anything but focus on that here is childish at best.
I think MaskedSanity is *probably* a relatively good woman based on other things I've seen from her here at GAG, but trying to call me out rather than focusing on the real problem in this particular thread is absurd and really poor judgment on her part.
In this day, good women need to be showing women can be good and compassionate rather than what they have come to be known for in recent years. That's what her gender needs, not this.
Animals in the wild are experts in hiding their pain so as to not appear sick or weak to the predator.
As humans loses the threat of survival , their most basic survival instincts just slowly melts away I suppose.
yea it sucks
my boy takes an hour to get ready. With all this designer shit -_-.
Me i come out of the house with ripped jeans, Design White T shirt, and because i have sleeves on both arms... im set for the day
Oh Lord. More gender roles. I bet you're an absolute delight to be around.
I assume you always pay for your dates?
@Jointhepatriarchy it's about 50/50. I know you've never been on a date because you're afraid of women but it's not that uncommon these days to just take turns paying.
Just checking you for hypocrisy, dear.
@Jointhepatriarchy if only you were so diligent about checking yourself for poorly formed arguments.
I don't understand what you're talking about. I'm not arguing with you. Just asking chatting. :)
@Jointhepatriarchy nope, just your run of the mill feeble attempt at condescension. :)
You're feisty. I have to ask though, why do you have Commie in your username? Are you a communist? Do you hate America?
@Jointhepatriarchy yes that's totally it.
I'm sorry you feel that way, I love America and freedom. :)
@Jointhepatriarchy I'm happy for you
@jointhepatriarchy i didn't feel free in america
@COCOCHANEL Sorry to hear you had a bad experience here. :(
Maybe because men is just a social construct?
Maybe because it is the natural state for men? In the past men were forced to be aggressive and violent. Now men can be themselves.
Maybe because men are not robots and you should not perceive them as such?
Maybe because femininity is natural for guys?
Maybe because men have the same weaknesses women have? In the past men had to fake it and hide their weaknesses. Now men can be more open?
Because we get victimized for being MEN, we get ridiculed for being MEN, we get forced to be anything but MEN. However if you come to where i'm at you will get sick of MEN Hahahh
Yes many are, it's pretty frustrating and then they piss and moan that we aren't feminine anymore. Really? It's not a light switch.
Why can't WOMEN BE JUST WOMEN?
Why they have to act like MEN?
BITCHES STAY BITCHES!
Seems fair to me.
@rUinSAYAN sexy asf? :)
that could go both ways. why are women skanks nowadays and act like men?
Blame television, and all the unrealistic expectations it shows. Life is not like TV or the movies.
Tell them this:
"If Internet Explorer is bold enough to ask you if it can be your default web browser, then you'll be alright asking a girl out"
I'm lesbian, but really I do approach and can get my dirty hands as long as I can wash them later :p
isn't that a manly trait to be lazy?
It was a figure of speech. I didn't mean it literally. No, I don't think being lazy is a manly trait, I think it's a bad trait. ;)
it is a manly trait for most, men don't like to tidy up their rooms, being lazy is a bad trait by men.
nowadays you can find manly men but you see them as douche bags and assholes who give a fuck about their wife, or show selfishness better said only love themselves. I am much more towards feminism side, I don't like to play a real man, my desires stay in equality. living together as if both were 1 person. the perfection leans in my counterpart, I think a girl can also slap me when I start being a bitch, push me back when I loose my manlyness. I am not a pussy but I lean towards having the personality of the girl I want to date and that makes me feminine, my desires form me into that till I don't have to be her myself and have what I crave for. yeah I crave for the emotional side I hide most of the times.
why do we have to be defined by what is masculine and what is feminine? why can't we just say the difference between men and women, is men have a penis, women have a vagina, why do we have to make it so damn complicated?
Funny because most women don't know how to act like women.
I do not know how many times a have come across talking about how massive her shit was or something else similar. I know guys who do not even talk like this. Both genders have faults but being something you are not is a big issue.
Come across a girl talking*
I get thumbed down for this?
yeah it seems with things like a trending hipster culture being the epitome of what you just said, men are dying out and it seems like there is very little to disinguish male from female these days. Feels like a social dystopia to me. Fuck!
theyre probably the ones who didn't have any strong male role models in their life.
Im not answering this question until ladies get together collectively and come to a decision on what they want.. Go ahead I'll wait!
I hope your not basing this opinion off anyone on this site.
you're :3
No, just seems like most men i see now are too concerned with their hair, or are insecure and complete mama's boys that live at home till they're 25. I realize there are ditzy girls out there too, but since I'm a woman I'm giving my opinion from a female perspective.
Screw gender roles.. I am who I am and I've been popular in my life.
So men need to man up... Should women be back to the kitchen to make us sandwich as well?
The male in the past twenty years has become more thoughtful, more gentle. He’s a nice boy who tries to pleases everyone..
I dont know, thankfully where I live MOST of the guys are still "real men" lol
Lol a lot of people don't even know what being a man truly means
That's what happens when kids grow up in single parent homes... No father figure.
I dont see why some women downvoted this. Its important for children to have a male role model in their life. Its really important in fact. People dont realise the importance of it sometimes. I dont think you can ever dispute the role mothers play in childrens lives either. I dont know what this guy meant by his comment but children definitely need a father figure in their life whether its at home or elsewhere
For real dude. I watched this YouTube channel called TheAdviseShow and this guy points out how all these different thugs and killers keep coming from single parent homes. A woman can't discipline a young man like a good father can. Once he hits puberty he's bigger and stronger than her and she can't do shit in those years where his brain is developing still but he's the size of an adult.
If your talking about SOME guys being jerks, unloyal, lying, abusive.. they still exist
Interesting, a rise in feminism and and decline in masculinity. Are they linked? Not sure but it is interesting to note.
men ask women out all the time. i find men to be manly and dominant.
What happened to women being women?
Why can't women do any of the things you just apposed male figures now a days do not that.
See thats the problem! Your already defeating the strength and inner power of women. Women are not weak! at all! Feminism doesn't have to be a real thing if EVERYONE seriously stopped being so dumb about womens true potential. Its gross that there was ever a doubt. People learn to acknowledge women as a TRUE equal in this world. Seriously STOP.
What happened to my 40 inch girth, Is it average you guys. I am so manly
If srs, pass some genetics this way bro
@jeepman2000
Semi srs
jeff srs.
@Athleticbroo Im fuarking zyzz brah
Chivalry got shunned I'm afraid, women nowadays are in the front seat Haha gents brace yourselves.
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