I’ve seen many people here on GaG expressing dissatisfaction in the lack of “traditional” women/girlfriends/wives. What about traditional men? Seems kind of like a double standard.
Traditional men are a thing of the past, simply because the concept of traditional gender roles are simply obsolete. Today we are on the third or fourth generation of feminist, and every cooperate and government entity in the United States has put millions into training on Equal Opportunity and Sexual Harassment in the work force... basically educating men on the FACT that women are equal. So with that comes the expectation that everyone to include men and women are expected to perform under the same conditions and requirements.
So now people are coming to realize that all the exceptions that were made for women in the past were inherently sexist. So no more holding doors for women, or making exceptions for single mothers, or standing up for a lady or giving up your seat. If it something you don't or would not do for any man you should not do it for a women, because its sexist. So on this point women have to reap what they sowed.
The issue for men is that in dating and at home their girlfriends and wives still want all those courtesy that were traditionally afforded to women, but their girlfriend and wives do not want to give the courtesies traditionally afford to men. And there in lies the issue and a probably why there is such a high divorce rate or decrease in the belief of the traditional concept of marriage, and also why a larger percentage of women do not identify with the feminist movement in general today.
So there is a lack of traditional men and women both because we are being taught, programed and socially engineered from a young age that any traditional concept of gender roles are obsolete to the degree that many teens at very young ages do not identify as being man or women and openly identify as transgender as young as 10 to 12 years old. They encouraged to do by society and in that even further confuse or distort the believe in any traditional gender role within modern society.
Some would argue that this is a result of the feminist's assault on traditional gender roles, and other will attribute it to the organizations like LGBTQ. In the end I can not say for certain, but the role of women in the work place is something I have to struggle with in my life time.
Many a day I had to work late or pick up extra tasks because other single parents had to pick up their kids from school, or take them to doctors appointments. But since I had a wife at home, I was expected to put the extra work and hours in. Of course this came with additional stress, and did little to improve my home life. Many times my wife felt that she was not being treated fairly because she was forced to take on a lot of parenting roles that would of other wise been shared. I of course promoted faster and earned more pay... but I worked hard and was expect to do more because of my traditional family situation. I resented this very much, and strove to ensure that all women and men were treated equally as I promoted... so that meant no excuses for single parents and I held all employees to the same standard. Many resented this because they believed that I did not understand the challenges confronted by working moms... but I held the line at equal pay for equal work. Some of my best and most respected employees and bosses were women who up held the same believe system.
So nothing traditional about it, and you can lay the blame at the feet of who ever you want... but welcome to the 23rd century.
Some still exist, but they are not all that common anymore.
Everyone who said "feminism killed them off" is more or less correct. The idea that you can make major changes to a system, and that everything else would stay the same, is naïve. 60's feminists (not the leaders - I'm talking about the followers) believed they could radically change women, and what women brought to the relationship - but that they'd still enjoy all of the benefits they used to enjoy. That's not how anything works - though.
Newton said "for every action, there is an equal an opposite reaction." And, well, in a complex system, reactions aren't always instantaneous or precisely equal, but there are always going to be reactions. Women can't expect the benefits and lack of responsibilities that traditional women enjoyed, while at the same time having the benefits of modern women too. It's one or the other.
Women wanted to have careers. They wanted to spend their 20s in college, being single, and having fun instead of getting married. And they have that now - but they can't ALSO expect to have men who want to marry them at 35 (Instead of 22), and they can't expect men to out-earn them when they are competing in the work place with those men, and when they've doubled the workforce and thus halved the average value of all workers.
They also can't demand equality, but still expect men to pay for them and to step up and bail her out of problems. Authority comes with an equal dose of responsibility - if you want to be in charge, then you have to solve the problems and bear the costs, just as men did in the past. And this especially means long-term responsibilities, such as retirement.
Women told men that they would not follow - but most still want men to lead, and provide, and protect. You can't have it both ways, and a lot of men simply left the game, realizing the game was fixed and they had no chance to succeed. Why kill yourself working to increase your status to try to impress women who don't respect you? Many have resigned themselves to being single, and are happy to earn enough to be comfortable and to spend their extra money and free time doing things they enjoy. In that sense, men are much better equipped for being single than women are - and most women don't even know what it is to be truly single until they're about 35, and all the attention they got in their youth is gone.
I dont believe that anyone is 100% traditional and staying at home mums ain't traditional. A traditional woman had/have to to work almost all over world at farm or in their village by taking care of the animals without getting paid back. Maybe only in america women could afford to stay at home in 40s-90s (?) but in the rest of the world women had to or still work at farm ( in africa) or had to work in typical male jobs due to shortage of men due to wars and so many things were destroyed to the point few men could not built the whole country and as a result women had to work/built the country. Blaming every shit on feminism is ridiculous, irresponsible and sensless. Society changes with time. For example many women in (central) Europe still wanted to work again after their experience with "male jobs" aka getting paid. Do you really think these women (from radical rightist time aka nazi time) suddenly change their mind due to a feminist? !! How dumb are the people who think like this? These nazi women or women from nazi generation would laugh at you and screwed you and feminism together lol I personally think internet change the society a lot since many people all over the world could share their experiences, and their voices can be heard. I also want to say that staying at home is modern as feminism. I am middleeastern and my mum had to care about the animals etc while doing household chores without any modern Gadgets as a child and stop doing it after livin in a city. Today women can choose to stay at home without working (outside) or can go working. Anyway Asian countries are very conservative but many women there still choose to work Did feminism make these conservative people work? Lol
Many guys on gag also want the benefit of traditional traits but reject the "bad" aka marriage or waiting till marriage. Any man who dont wait till marriage should not expect from her girlfriend to be traditional
"A traditional woman had/have to to work almost all over world at farm or in their village by taking care of the animals without getting paid back."
Without getting paid back? Does she have a roof over her head? Does she have clothes? Food? Does her husband protect her? Is he there to take care of her? Does he protect and provide for the children? Do you think all of that hard work by the man is "free"? THAT is the payback.
And let's make no mistake: women make more than 70% of all retail buying decisions, even though they make 40% of the income. That means they're spending a LOT of the man's money. So where do you get this "no payback" stuff from?
"Without getting paid back? Does she have a roof over her head? Does she have clothes? Food? Does her husband protect her? Is he there to take care of her? Does he protect and provide for the children? Do you think all of that hard work by the man is "free"? THAT is the payback. " - NO man does this shit and police exist for a reason to protect you. This is not husband's job. No human being is entitled to anyone's protection for free. A maid only do all of modern house wife chores and still GET PAID. By the way being a house wife AND working at farm is like being a house wife AND a WORKING woman. So ridiculous. Housewife with kids also can't stop working at holidays and she risks being homeless when she get divorced since no company want someone who did not work for many years
"And let's make no mistake: women make more than 70% of all retail buying decisions, even though they make 40% of the income. That means they're spending a LOT of the man's money. So where do you get this "no payback" stuff from?" - I was talking about the past lol and married women mostly buy shit what the family needs. My mum buys my dad's clothes, or groceries etc for example. I know enough housewifes who would go to many markets to get good products for low prices So you dont include that these women propably buying stuf for their family. You make it seem like that women waste men's money only on themself. If a woman waste men's money, it is men's fault. Stop dating gold diggers.
By the way i did not say that the husband should pay any penny for her modern housewife who dont work at farm etc. I also dont mean that men should pay anything but if your wife 'work' at farm or has a regular job, then he should help her at home
Any man who let women waste 70% of his money is an idiot. I personally feel bad when my potential partner even buys a coffee. So i dont want any penny from any man. So how tf are these men ok with such women. I dont even understand how these women explain their partner that they want them to buy expensive stuff like mobile phone etc. Sometimes i have the feeling that men like it when women waste their money. I have seen this a lot in my surroundings
I've seen a few questions about that lately and I'm starting to wonder if the "traditional men" existed large numbers in the first place.
I'm beginning to think that the majority of men were never like that. That's just how we see them all portrayed in movies or TV and how your 95 year old grandma describes her first date all the way back in 1942 through rose colored nostalgic glasses as she compares that to today's generation with contempt because the guy is wearing too tight of jeans.
But that's just my crackpot theory so who knows lol
In the west traditional men are not being raised because the traditional family is on the decline. It’s caused by a number of things. The biggest being males being raised by females as that’s who wins in courts 98% of the time. Divorce is over 80% female initiated. Females cannot train a male into a man. A man is trained from boyhood by a father or a male role model. This was the purpose of a God Father that’s appointed at birth in many cultures. They knew men raised men so if dad died there was still some one to teach his sons. So you’ve got what has evolved from that which is men with overblown feminine traits and females being raised with masculine traits. Marriage has declined to around 48% it’s interesting too that 49 % of the USA is male but male births are higher then female births. Males die more it seems. The western countries are the only ones that have this problem. In many countries it’s the reverse. In other cultures men are still appreciated in western culture men are disposable when I say west I mean Western Europe the united kingdom , Australia, Canada but no where as much as in the USA.
Ok this entire question is a double standard for both genders, the truth is a lot of people both men and women don't want to be traditional at all.
For women in general nowadays, it's the whole "I won't be subservient" or "I won't submit to a man" or "I won't let a man make my decisions" kind of mentality. This then leads to the whole 50/50 partnership where now the roles are negotiable. Women going "why can't I do this while he does that instead?" sort of questions. Which then leads to a lot of "not traditional women" being very common.
For men, it's the unfortunately common occurrence that men are living without a real purpose, without a real goal, something to strive for. Not having the motivation to be better or live for something more. It doesn't help that a lot of men don't know what the hell they're doing as far as a relationship is concerned and it's not like women are wanting to help practice so they can figure out what to do. Worst of all is the fact that a lot of women think that the roles in a relationship for both genders are negotiable. That one day the man can do this instead while the woman does that instead which has thrown relationships into a freaking meatgrinder (congratulations women screwed themselves here). In the end, this leads to "not traditional men" being around.
I agree many men now are lost and confused as far as relationships go. But all many if us actually need to understand is that girls don't need us to provide and protect anymore. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be someone that can provide and protect. Both can do that. It's not hard to understand that. But let's be honest that "only I have the power" dynamic favored us a lot. So it's being hard for many to let go of it.
I'm very traditional (of course, I'm 52, and military). Most of my friends are military, and also raised their sons to be very "traditional" (i. e., strong, virtuous, unapologetically masculine). So those guys (a. k. a., "gentlemen") are out there. Many times, attracting one hinges on your willingness to let them treat you like a lady (e. g., open doors for you, pick up the dinner tab, always pick you up for dates and take you home afterward, rather than meeting you at a venue, etc.). There are far too many women who don't see such behaviors as signs of respect and appreciation, and feel compelled to criticize the men who perform them. Understand that these are the same men who will fight to protect and provide for you/women, but as they were raised to not impose their worldview on others (it's un-gentlemanly), they won't spend time and capital on someone who doesn't want what they have to offer. If you want a high value man, encourage and show appreciation for his high value behaviors.
Because your fellow feminists shamed and ostracized them to oblivion. Traditional men want traditional women. Too many women want the benefits of a traditional man, yet they don't want to be traditional themselves. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Traditional women will eventually find traditional men (like my girlfriend and I). Also, much of the answers are given in your previous question to why there are so little gentlemen nowadays. If you truly like and want traditional men & gentlemen to come back, then you can start by taking a step away from feminism and all the man-haters that it has. Because a last thing a traditional man with a good head on his shoulders will do is get with a feminist.
Only did what you said make 0 sense to what I was talking about. Or am I dealing with a feminist inside joke because I'm honestly not familiar with those
Victorian, Edwardian male, dresses in the country manner usually decent tweed, wears long over coat, has pocket watch, possess a good quality cane and or riding crop.
I tick those boxes lol.
I like those Victorian gents believe in various kinks.
I tend to wear Barbour when out and about locally or if out shooting peasants.
I mean I see a lot of girls in pants complaining about guys in dresses.
But honestly I have little interest in being some girl's wallet and getting all the blame for economic hardship when she is perfectly capable of having a job herself. Or having to make X amount of money because any less will "infringe on her right to choose whether she wants to go out and work at all".
The traditional male role is pretty much exclusively a combination of double standards and playing court-jester for women who would feel insulted if she had to do the same. I'll choose whichever ones I want, and let her choose whichever ones she wants. For roles neither of us want, it'll essentially go to whoever is best at it, or cares the most about it.
I mean that's pretty much what girls have been doing for years saying things like "chivalry is dead", "what happened to gentleman?" (Currently active post featured today), and "where are all the good men?"
Hard to call double standard here lol. The call for Traditional women is actually a pretty new thing. I've heard that maybe for the past 2 years now. While I've heard those things women side my entire life about men.
Women just get to hear it back the past couple years 🤷♂️
Yes it's a double standard but resulting vie points and starting points. People don't find traditional men or women either because they search at the wrong places or they have different views on what traditional means. I think society has changed and has lost its sense for good manners. Many guys are destroyed in their brain by porn and sexual open culture. Any woman looking for a traditional man should not look for them online because those guys don't spend much time with online dating at least in my experience.
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Good thought 💭 and question 🙋♀️
I had some rational thoughts on this concept myself as I hit bumps in the road of trying to find a boyfriend for the pat ten plus years.
Biologically; male and females are mutually needed for reproductive purposes.
But as far as modern survival and simply enjoying your day to day lives; a male isn’t “needed” for a female. She can get a job and work it all while getting the kids up by herself and feed them herself and get them to school and daycare on her way to work. She mentally and emotionally depends on herself to get it all done in a hand basket 🧺 Even without kids, a women can pay her own and bang herself quite frankly lol all without the headache attached to dragging around a guy. Media and online exposure has also shifted the minds of men and women, drastically and not in a good way.
There is a saying that goes " i spent a lifetime cleaning the mirror , not understanding the dirt was on my face " it's roughly translated and it's very powerful message in local language
No, it's both genders fault. Women's fault for buying into the 'empowerment' movement that resulted in them thinking that sleeping around was freeing, and men's fault for not having the self control to resist. Women's fault for following other women that were doing the same, and men's fault for adopting the same behavior from other men.
Women failed as the gatekeepers of sex and men failed as the gatekeepers of relationships. Both have created an environment where both are much less likely to acquire what they want beyond basic short term desires.
Both fully consenting parties can do as they wish. I simply explained the consequences of them doing so. What you see today is the result of people following their desires without restraint. They are all free to continue doing so...
The problem may be that both men and women don’t know what traditional women and men are. Maybe it’s that people want all the things without compromise. Maybe there’s a lack of accountability, communication, and goal setting on both sides of the divide.
The advancement of women's rights was a huge game changer regarding the way males and females were brought up. Women have the opportunity to possess a career of their own, so the traditional man is no longer needed in the sense of being the sole provider. As feminism continued to evolve and females desired independence in various different forms, egalitarianism became common. In this day and age, men are treating women in the same way we would treat another man (with some exceptions). In a society where egalitarianism is the norm, the traditional man is less likely to exist because he is seen as no longer being needed.
traditional males are not a good thing. they will just reduce you to an uneducated bimbo who doesn't know how to do anything except have sex and make sandwiches while your husband goes around and cheats on you. then you won't be able to leave him because you can't survive on your own (because you're an uneducated bimbo)
Miss subaru girl don't you see me as a traditional man 😂 Cause if you can't or haven't realized that i'm a traditional man which the majority of gag members from 11 years till the present day know about than you must have a problem or the word "traditional" man means something else to you, can you explain?
When you have faith, morals, values and your lifestyle was the norm in the 50's till the 80's or early 90's, also your ideology is considered rusted and old to a lot of people, doesn't all these traits makes you traditional? 😌
Bring back the fashion of gentlemen’s walking stick and perhaps the rest will follow.
Nice Victorian era print. :p
In China they prize having boys. In the United States it is girl power and anything men can do girls can do better. Hey China, you have a woman shortage and we have a surplus. Please take a few hundred thousand off our hands. The self ascribed feminist would make a good start….
Personally I'm a huge fan of gender equality (including 'feminism' or at least that's what "men" call it), demolition of gender roles and deconstruction of certain (mostly gender related) traditions.
That's why I'm not traditional and I'm not interested in a traditional woman even if she's the last woman on earth.
"I’ve seen many people here on GaG expressing dissatisfaction in the lack of “traditional” women/girlfriends/wives. What about traditional men? Seems kind of like a double standard."
I believe (from what they sound like) they are looking for a mommy v2.0 type of girlfriend while they are something similar to this (and may call themselves either "high value man" or think they are "alpha")
There are some traditional men they are just afraid to let it out. They haven't met a traditional woman yet. I am actually a traditional woman and I don't get shit for it. In fact I get praised from men all the time when they hear it.
Should I club a woman over the head and drag her back to my cave? Should I want a woman to only look after the kids, cook, clean, etc? Should I go out and hunt for food? Should I deal with everything with violence? Should I drink and carouse before crawling home drunk? Should I manually build things for a living?
There is no double standard , but a bias view of how life really is.
Men are still traditional for most parts and are expected to be traditional, where as women want to give up certian traditions that they don't like. E. g.. you'll see questions here like ," why should women take her husband's last name?" And women would say its a sexist and needs to go away. BUT , you'll never see those same women complaining about men proposing or having to buy engagement rings , do you lol
Honestly I see it happen all the time men complaining they aren't getting laid after paying for a date, but have no intention of marring the girl, then complaining about having to pay for a date they invited someone on. Men don't court anymore. Chivalry is dead, not to even mention class. Wanting a stay at home wife but not even being able to afford a house. When did common courtesy disappear?
The traditional man teaches children right from wrong, raises them to live a clean lifestyle, teaches them self-control, and shows both male and female children what the next generation of men should be like. He also reads to them and plays with them. They will put your comfort before theirs.
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>>> Dude sounds really lame to me
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Let's be very clear here... it was women, NOT men, who drove the move away from traditional gender roles. Men have been forced to adapt, but it sure as hell was not our choice.
Trying to pin the lack of traditional relationships on men is incredibly dishonest.
Well it really was mens faults. Men gave women the vote. Men pushed their daughters to attend college and get careers. Men stopped disowning their daughters for being whores. Men made the divorce laws to take care of women and children first.
Did women do that stuff? No. None of it. Men have gotten weak asf even so much as to blame women for it.
@bamesjond0069 men didn't want to give them those rights. Women were not quite at many not even peaceful about it. Many refusing to cook, clean, take care of children or have sex. Destruction of property. Massive protests on the streets. Many industries stopped. Caused millions to be lost. Eventually they had to give them rights. Because the situation was just escalating more and more.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 im trying to be polite here but... excuse me. Are you on crack? Thats the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Did some women act ridiculous sure but the vast majority did not. Since when does the whole of society NEED to bend to a handful of hysterical morons? Thats what simps do. Cave in to childrens demands. "A woman asked so i had to do it" lmfao thats so weak. They should have put cuck antlers on those retards and threw rotten veggies at them in the town square.
@bamesjond0069 to give you an example. Do you know the prohibition law? Made drinking illegal in the US some decades ago? Do you know who first started it? Women. Do you who began the process to end it? A woman called Pauline Sabin. And you think they can't make shit happen?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 do you know who made prohibition happen? Men. Seeing as it was only men who could vote. Im not sure about you but I've had a girlfriend or two get hysterical and scream and cry and break things and such, i just said no again because not only did i disagree in the first place but its morally wrong to bend to violence, blackmail, manipulation. Only weak useless men do this. Did women literally take guns march on DC and take over the government in a civil war? Then they didn't DO anything since it was men who actually had to do it.
@bamesjond0069 yes men approved the law, but women began the push that led to that. Women literally stopped doing basic house chores to make pressure for their husbands to stop drinking. And they did it until they approved of it. For the voting rights it was even worse. Like I said they made the situation intolerable until they had their way. In other words they took it.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 "Women literally stopped doing basic house chores to make pressure for their husbands to stop drinking. And they did it until they approved of it. For the voting rights it was even worse."
Lmfao. I don't know what to even say here. In an era when you could hit your wife, you really think men were shaking in their boots because the dishes didn't get washed? And if that really is what did it, those men are called beta simps.
If my girlfriend doesn't do the chores i just punish her and if it still doesn't work i can just take away her monetary privledges because i pay all the bills and if that doesn't work then i just toss her on the street and get a new one. I can't imagine ever caving to a womans shit because she stops doing the chores. If thats all it takes for a man to give in he should just cut his own dick off and put a dress on.
@bamesjond0069 yes you could hit your wife. But you needed food. All she needed was to endure one beating and you would spent and entire day starving. And remember no sex also and the massive protests.
We can call women weak all we want, but a bread maker in my country killed five Spanish soldiers during their invasion of Portugal many years ago. With that really long two handed ladle they used. Vikings had women warlords.
Not every girl is submissive and when they want something they fight for it. They did it until they had it.
Give being a MAN now adays is wrong. its so bad to work for what you want and do physical work. in the US they want all of us to be bunch of pussies. i say fuck that i was born a male and i been doing male things all my life and i will not change for anyone
you forgot cheating wife beaters as a part of that description, though to be fair the cheating may well be part of "womanizer". then there is the sexist thing where those "traditional" men also expect women to have no opinions, only serve/service him, do everything around the home and likely only view her as breeding stock and property.
@ asker, if this is not what you meant then please define "traditional".
Traditional men are highly looked down apon as they have tended to be less affectionate and inclusive in and out of the sheets. While being a gent, also losing their control. Think lots have fallen from it because typical man gets a bad rep. And add a few bad relationships when they try their best and we get men who rather not try so hard. There needs to be balance and hardly ever is. Half of us are sexually infused and half are disgusted and turned off by the suggestion of sexual acts.
My sense of being traditional is not American based, it is a combination of Modern Japanese standards for devotion aspects, and the ancient Greek within the fires and forges of your willpower. Those standpoints are about as gender fluid as it could possibly get without money being a factor involved within it.
Many men, including myself abandoned the idea of a "Traditional man" when it became obvious that the overwhelming majority of women seemed to consider traditional customs patronizing (Implying women were weak or some stupid crap like that). Every single gesture we have done has been interpreted in the most uncharitable way possible.
They are still out there but more and more men realize that they aren't appreciated for traditional masculinity so they abandon that.
Traditional means having all of the same crap that led to the #MeToo movement happen again. Traditional roles had men having all of the power and women having to just take it with no equity or inclusion of women in a lot of spaces. We don't need that back.
Toxic feminism and feminazis (not actual feminism and feminists) have ruined both of them by demonizing those who still want traditional roles instead of just promoting straight-up equality, which includes individuals making their own life CHOICES.
I have a fairly traditional man, other than he does earn less income than I do. He’s a good cook, is physically active/outdoorsy, but also is very tidy. He likes holding the door for me and showing affection.
Western society is pretty gynocentric and many women would view a man who is a traditional provider as someone to be milked in a divorce or simply not a real prospect for them. The market for a "beta provider" among Western women is relatively small.
There are a ton of double standards regarding genders the difference women are ok w/ the ones that benifit them but complain about the ones that don't. You can't have traditional men unless you have traditional women.
That's not even remotely the same thing. In order for a man to be "traditional" the woman needs to also be traditional. If the man is traditional and the woman isn't what is he getting out of it? Being a "good" person doesn't have any relevance.
KIds today are brought up with social media and are taught that traditional values are outdated and the way things are now is much better.. I have seen people ask on this site if social media is good for people. Overwhelmingly they vote NO.
See. This isn’t fair because I am currently wearing the exact same suit and hat as the guy circled in green because I am definitely a classy guy and a gentleman.
Back in the day marriage wasn't even decided based on love, it was more of a transaction between families which was closely monitored by each respective family.
Women couldn't vote, they were considered lesser than men. Hell, the whole prohibition movement started because drunk men were beating their wives so much.
There are plenty of women who want to retain elements of patriarchy and have men do “traditional man” things: be subject to the military draft, pay for courtship, earn as much or more than they do, and provide alimony in case of divorce.
@Subarugirl Fucking hard sell when you posting a sketch of Edwardian upper class men as "traditional" . Might as well post a sign that explicitly requests 6'2", six figure income, Chads while your at it.
Cause we live in a political correctness society and being a man is no longer politically correct. You have to be some sort of queer non-binary thing these days to be accepted.
I try to avoid a situation where I would have to perform a traditional act. Traditional anything for men is just taking advantage of the man, making him a servant.
Because there's no traditional women left. Simple as that. Why making any effort to be a traditional man (I guess you're talking about the gentlemen here) if you have no traditional women to do it for?
There not but they tend to live in red states not blue states
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they didn't go anywhere, society just prioritizes stupid stuff like football games over gentlemen's activities. the brutal reality is most women were prostitutes, low lvl maids, and stupid as dirt before feminism. most men were what you would call rednecks and factory workers
Because women back then had no rights, couldn't vote or work? Why the F would want that? Traditions are meant to be changed and upgrade as we evolve. And those men in the pictures were selfish rich dudes.
Traditional men and women is what we need right now. Not social media. Core values were instilled at a very young age. Men and women dressed proper as well. The imagination is better than seeing it right in front of you.
I did not say White Trailer Trash. I am talking about someone that grown up on a farm and had his ass whipped for being a fucked up as a kid. They were taught how to treat women right.
What do you consider traditional men and is that the type of man you’re looking for or that most women are looking for
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True.. The actual traditional men who are left are so rare, and thing with them is that they do the courtship so as a woman you need to be very lucky for them to approach you.
Oh but I have encountered many that do. The amount of times I have had an angry man threaten to "put me in my place" beat me, rape , tell me that the only value I have is based off of my ability to please a man would astound you.
I don’t doubt it. But that’s the guys you picked or stumble across. Of course, you’re not always gonna find perfect around you. I had girls lie to me about being single, used me for their amusement, cheated on me, and some even bullied me growing up. But that’s life. I learned to move on, and surround myself by good people.
Yeah, I agree. Why do you think I’m anonymous because I still haven’t gotten over being bullied. It’s something that I’m gonna have to deal with for the rest of my life. But I learned to forgive. I think it’s more powerful than people think. I’m not saying you should, but it’s how I deal with my situation.
Again, I’m not disagreeing. I now defend myself. As it should be. But I just cut them from my life. Like recently, I had a girl who played me. She just wanted attention from me without commitment. I told her how I feel, and she laughed at me. Saying I was delusional, and she didn’t mean anything. I told her “Well good luck.” So I left, and stopped talking to her. Now she comes up to me. But I don’t want her anymore. Doesn’t mean I hate her. I still talk to her because I learned to forgive, but I’m not gonna fall for her ever again.
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