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First of all, let's dispel the myth that a woman can't physically harm a man when she punches him. If she lands a punch she can break his nose, knock out a tooth, split his lip, causing permanent scarring, even knock him out and cause serious injury or death if he hits his head as he falls. Those things have happened many times so we need to let go of that false belief because it is a dangerous one.
Having said that, the only reason we discuss this question is because we generally perceive women as being physically weaker than men. Relative strength is the issue, not gender. So let's consider the question in that context and remove gender from the equation for a moment.
Think about how you would feel if you observed the following scenario. A short, skinny 120 pound man picks a fight with a large 220 pound man and gets his ass kicked. Odds are you will feel the man who picked the fight got exactly what he asked for and deserved, and that he learned the valuable life lesson that one should not pick a fight with someone bigger that them lest they risk getting seriously hurt.
But in the exact same scenario described above, if it was a 120 woman who picked a fight with a 220 pound man, most people would view the woman as a victim and the man as asshole who should be arrested and charged with assault. So what is the difference? Sexism, pure and simple.
Today we still give women a pass with respect to personal responsibility in any scenario involving physical assault where a man is involved. This is just one example of how society treats women like children rather than responsible adults, and that needs to end. Women need to be held to the same standards as men are for their choices and actions. Today they are not.
If an adult picks a fight with a much larger adult, they need to expect they will likely get their ass kicked, as they should. Gender does not matter. That must be the expectation because if it is, there will be fewer physical assaults and fewer people (women AND men) will get hurt. That is the goal, and the only way we will achieve it is by setting the expectation for women that if they punch a man, they are going to get punched right back.
Guys, that is on us, and we owe it to ourselves, and future generations, to set that new expectation.
I don't believe reciprocation or escalation are appropriate responses to violence. An eye for an eye is stupid and counterproductive.
You should use violence exclusively as a tool of self preservation and in defense of others. In that context it doesn't matter who you're using it against; this isn't a question of getting "permission" to hit a woman because a certain set of items have been ticked off a checklist. You use violence, precisely and ONLY as necessary to protect yourself and others. You don't hit or attack someone because you feel like they deserve it. If a woman is currently threatening your health and physical safety, or the safety of someone else nearby, and you can, by an act of violence and ONLY by that act, disarm or diffuse the threat, then you absolutely have the right to do so.
For example, if she is CURRENTLY punching you or imminently punching you, you can respond with appropriate and measured violence as, in the most extreme case, a deterrent, but even then, you should take into account exactly how threatened you actually feel.
This last point is why it is historically considered impolite to hit a woman back who has hit you; most women venting frustration or anger at a man by using their fists don't actually pose a real threat to that mans physical safety; both practically and statistically, even a woman who is actually hitting you with her fists is less likely to escalate that violence in the heat of passion, and you are unlikely to actually suffer sustained injury from someone hitting you like that.
In contrast, a woman who is directly trying to actually do you serious physical harm (say, gouge your eyes out, break a bone, or induce concussion) is likely to succeed eventually if she isn't stopped. It's hard to describe in a strictly factual manner the difference between a venting of frustration (which is still unsafe and inappropriate) vs a serious attempt to inflict bodily harm.
In short, though, you (the victim of her attack) actually do probably know the difference in that moment, and whatever the law or public opinion says, you have an ethical license to use only and exactly the force necessary to prevent physical injury to yourself or others.
@nathanp97
This sort of thinking will likely have an effect, but it will also alienate her and likely make her feel unsafe around you. There are other, non-violent ways to communicate this.
To be clear, male violence against women kills more women every year than terrorism has killed in the last decade. Joining the ranks of guys who visit violence against women to "teach them a lesson" is not justified by your discomfort alone. You need to actually feel that your health or safety are at risk before using violence.
That said, I'm not defending her use of violence in this situation either. She has no right to hit you or harm you just because she expects no repercussions. But understand this: In this society, we do not avoid hitting each other because we fear being hit back; we avoid hitting each other because we agree as a society that it is wrong, and because it doesn't get us what we want.
Punishment is an ineffective means of conditioning anyway.
So basically; hitting women as a way to get her to "learn not to hit people and that you're not messing around" is ineffective and ethically wrong, but so is her hitting you in the first place. You don't get license to commit a wrong just because someone else has. You have license to use violence only in the defense of yourself and others.
I don't have a problem with her feeling unsafe around me. With any luck her being afraid will keep her away from me.
When I mean hit back I don't mean beat her to a bloody pulp. If she punches me in the face I'll do the same. I won't go all out, especially on the first hit. The first hit is a warning shot, after that if she continues I'll start hitting harder.
Do you know how many people die from accidental deaths, and how easy it is to loose your balance and fall. Any fight or physicality against a person is a risk to his life and well being. You can also include my mental health as a factor. Getting hit around can harm a person mentally as well as physically.
I'm not punishing her, I'm teaching her that there are consequences for her actions, and just because she is a girl doesn't mean I won't hit back. How is it ethically wrong? It can cause her to stop hitting you, and I care way more about my well being than some lady that is assaulting me. If some is hitting you it is self defense.
@nathanp97
"When I mean hit back I don't mean beat her to a bloody pulp"
"Any fight or physicality against a person is a risk to his life"
Yea see here's the problem and you made my argument for me really well. If she hit you, but now she's DONE HITTING YOU, and clearly not about to hit you again, your response (hitting her back) is not self defense anymore because you aren't actually defending anything by doing it. It's now using violence (which you spell out very clearly above has a small but very serious chance of causing disability or death no matter how measured or well-intentioned), to teach her a lesson.
And that's what pieces of shit do.
I'll say it again: we don't use violence as a teaching method, even when the lesson is about violence.
If you retaliate when the confrontation is already in the process of ending, you are responsible for the potential consequences of the violence you visit on her. You didn't need to hit her back to protect yourself. You could have just done nothing.
Many men believe in the teaching power of punishment; hurt them so that they learn not to do it again.
Psychology has come down pretty hard against that philosophy as a teaching and shaping tool, because while it can get results, it's like using a woodcutting axe to carve minature figurines; you may successfully cut the wood, yes, but you're also going to damage the figurine in the process.
I'll say it again: using violence to actually protect yourself and stop an attacker is fine. Using violence as a punishment to "teach her a lesson" and "show her you're serious" is ANYTHING but fine.
If she hits you once she might do it again in the future. If you quickly hit her back she will hopefully learn to to ever do it again. Basically, by hitting her back you prevent future insurances and can keep both parties safer. Women need to learn responsibly. They already get 60% less prison time for the same crime as a man.
Ok firstly if the man and woman are spouses then they shouldn't be hitting one another period beyond that scope of it's just some random female and some random guy then hell yes she just assulted him and he has every right to defend him self so don't go punching people and I'm just saying for my self if I punch a guy Chances he's gonna be able to let off a punch before I've hit him three or four times I. The button are slim chances he's still awake even slimmer so if he's still standing I would hope he would at least try before I completely kicked the shit out of him lol
Are some kind of boxer or street fighter?
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I so not believe in putting your hands on a woman or on a man. If you can hit a man be ready to get hit back by a man. If you can punch a man like a man be ready to fight like a man. Vice versa which by the way I do not Condone hitting by anyone for no reason.
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No. But i also would say it depends.
There is a two side of story to this perception.
-First and foremost, normally i would say totally a big no. I don't believe in hitting females. Even if they punch and try to be aggressive, it doesn't usually end up being a big deal as naturally males are programmed to be physically stronger and tougher than females. The strength spectrum is naturally different so it would be illogical to react aggressively back to someone who can't physically match you.
-However, some people tend to tremendously underestimate female's physical strengths too. ignoring exceptional cases is dangerous in my opinion. As much as there is a natural biological patterns and programmings, there are cases where females can be physically superior to males. Imagine a case of a thin and short male with a 6 foot female who lift weights. You think the female can't be superior to the male? this is how some males are getting raped by women out there and the society is not even taking it seriously, or there are extremely skillful females who are body builders, arm trained, martial art trained and so on. Totally technical and clinical with their moves. These females can sit above average and are capable of causing harm beyond an average female and can stand against the average male pretty easily. The time has changed, it's not 50's where all women are expected to be soft housewives. Females are challenging their physicality. Therefore, i stand firm on my no female hitting policy, but in any given chance, if i feel my health can be threatened by one of these exceptional cases, that's where i wouldn't care my opposition is male or female, young or old, i will defend myself back with full strength as i definitely won't stand there getting hurt because my attacker is female. Nope. I will defend myself when necessary if the situation feels too threatening.
If you attack someone with the intent of harming, then you deserve everything coming back at you. Just because the attacker is potentially physically weaker doesn't mean people can just go for it.
I had a question about it here that had the intent to show it: If a much smaller guy punches another guy - should the bigger one be allowed to punch back?
I think a man should defend himself (not all punches necessarily merit a violent response), but he should use the minimum amount of violence necessary to do so (which is often none).
Using violence in response to any attack is done to defend yourself and not merely to retaliate, and you should only use the amount of force needed to stop the threat. If this girl was looking to keep punching, and she had enough power and skill to do real damage, then, sure, punching back might be necessary. If she punched me lightly enough to do no damage and wasn't looking to continue, then I probably wouldn't do more than raise my voice.
You always give the best answers. I’m so glad you’re on GAG as I think a lot of people here need your wisdom judging by some of the opinions I see.
Well it’s good to see! 😊 Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
A woman has no right to physically abuse a man.
A man has the right to defend himself, he should however bear in mind the fact that he may be physically stronger (not always) and react with measured force to prevent him being abused further.
Abuse is abuse regardless of which gender is performing it.
Also if a woman is punching someone unprovoked then she should expect to be hit back. Gender itself should not be a shield to be used at your convienance.
Would I hit a woman back? Only if my life depended upon it otherwise I would subdue them with minimal harm... I would also do the same for a man.
Best reply! Try to do minimal harm. But I think that people who do these "bar assaults" always seem to be blind drunk and completely out of control. Sometimes dispatching them is the only recourse.
I'm a black belt in taekwondo so perhaps it's different for me as I know how to subdue someone without the need to necessarily strike them but I can understand that for others they might have no choice but to strike out.
I don't think there should be a standard to this. I've been hit in the face by guys during a fight and boxing. And I've fallen off my mountain bike without a helmet and smashed my head on the dirt, rising up staggering in confusion, feeling an urge to puke due to brain damage... it's part of the reason my neck is so forked up and I'm a bit psychotic.
So I think it comes down to ego. My body has taken an amazing amount of abuse, but the ego... the ego seems to exaggerate all that beating and demand revenge. So I think an internal analysis is required here. I've never hit a woman, nor is it part of my agenda, and if a woman went crazy on me and just smacked me for no reason I would like to think I would just hold her arms in place so she didn't hit me again and leave it at that. What's done is done, and I'm okay. I've taken worse and recovered. Leave my ego out of it and just suppress her.
Well, “should” is the word I’m fixated on here. I think the man should use his own discretion to decide the proper course of action, and perhaps he is justified in punching back if a woman punches him first. Context and specifics matter in this situation. I think a lot of people definitely rush into false conclusions because many are too lazy to think in-depth in anything and become very emotional which leads to rash decision-making. It’s during times of mental fervor that having self-control and a cool head are most important.
He should be able to punch her without be condemned for it. I mean, morally he shouldn't do it, to keep the peace. There is the option of self-defense or just walking away but if he does decide to punch back, he should not be shamed for it just because he's a male. I'm sure plenty of men wouldn't do it either way, mainly because their strength would do more damage.
Yee often we try to walk away, but then often girls get this bright idea to keep attacking and gets really pissed if pushed away. But after first fist fly into there faces they sudenly becomes victims. Girls are ood, they want to fight till fight actually starts and then they want to play victims and get away from fight.
I don't think anyone should inflict harm if there is another alternative.
But if a woman punches a man, he should be able to punch back, but only in self-defense. Anything extra is unnecessary. He should take into account the power of his punch relative to the strength and intent of hers.
So many women may punch a guy because they just feel like they need to release a bunch of emotions. I don't think that should go unpunished, but I think the guy's goal shouldn't be to severely injure her if her intent wasn't to severely injure him.
Before immediately resorting to punching back as first resort, I think it has to be analyzed; not as gender but as an individual case and situation. Is this woman (or man) a hulk or strong and threatening to his safety or is this a 4 footer Snookie that threw a non-threatening lame, punch?
Perhaps it doesn't apply the same woman vs stronger woman or man vs small guy (it should though) but I'll give you a brief example:
My female childhood friend is only 4'9 meanwhile I'm 5'7 and overweight her by a lot. I wouldn't hit her back if she punches me. Her hits wouldn't be similar to an annoying child with tantrums and it wouldn't hurt. However if I resorted to hitting her back at full force, I can hurt her badly or even kill her. So what would I do:
- Hold her to calm her down or block her punches by covering my face.
- Basically restrain her and report it
Have you been in fights, sparring is ok to? If itc isn't surprise or any other stimulant that would cause reaction from mucle memmory, it could work. Else if suprised or harmed in a way thats fight or fly mode, first punch will be full power next ones probably to, till it registers on whats happening.
In some cases violence can be perfectly justified. I am a reasonable person, if I did wrong and someone punched me, I won’t retaliate, instead accept my punishment and apologise. But if someone’s violence towards me was unjustified, then I would DEFINITELY retaliate even against a woman. Women want equality, let’s give them equality by treating them as we would treat any man. Or do women want to cherrypick only the good aspects of equality? I believe in equality for all thus why I treat women as I would treat a man; the only difference being is that I only get sexual with women.
I think he has the epic right to defend himself and if she is full on punching him repeatedly and his reflexes kick in, I totally think that's understandable. I just think... First try to restrain, second defend yourself with the least amount of force you can, finally so what you gotta do to keep yourself safe. A psychopath coming at you male or female that won't let you leave has chosen a fight that is no longer gender related.😊
Yes. In my opinion, if you stop behaving like a lady by hitting someone like that, you don't deserve to be treated like a lady. You want to do like men and start physical fights, well prepare to be treated like one.
Personally, I would not do something like that, I have a whole method dedicated to that kind of situation :
- first strike : "Stop attacking me"
- second strike (which I will probably block) : "Stop attacking me or I will retaliate"
- third strike (which I will probably block) : "Stop attacking me or I will retaliate. Last warning!"
- fourth strike (which I will probably block) : Armlock her to the ground and tell someone to call the police.
Armlocks are good because they restrain someone and they only hurt if the person resists or if you choose to apply more pressure, effectively forcing the person to calm themselves.
No in my book it can't be considered as fair, I once got attacked by some chick and she punched me in the face with like 3 solid hits and she was a pretty good size girl and well it didn't do much damage and well I have been praying punched by lots of guys and it varies but guys hit so much harder I just couldn't bring myself to hit back, although there is one exception where I know I could not hold back and that's if I saw my wife, daughter, or my mother getting wrecked my a woman of considerable size well I think I'm might swing on her with out thinking out of rage
A lot of people seem to automatically assume that the man is stronger than the woman or is capable of restraining her with little effort or resistance, which is not always the case.
Yeh, if you're early stronger than someone and can restrain someone with minimal violence you should do so, but it is not always that simple. If someone randomly attacks you in the street, your automatic response is to either attack back or run away, and if she is weaker and enda up getting knocked out, it's her fault for attacking someone in the first place.
Of course context is always important, but these situations are typically random, unjustified acts of violence, and I see no issue with a person retaliating with appropriate force to defend themself. Or you could just not attack people, and you won't be beaten up by the big bad bully you assaulted.
Im guessing if she punched him, not slapped, she did it for a pretty good reason. So at first glance no. At second glance all the guys around would probably beat the shit out of him even if "she started it", so no. If it was me id take it and try dodging if more came, and try to leave where ever we are rn. That said if a man were to punch her back i wouldn't stop him unless he was previously acting physically controlling or threatening. people react differently to things and if she's gonna take the step of physically hurting someone she should be prepared for anything including being stabbed or killed. Its always hilarious when chicks, and i say chicks here cause its befitting, think they can enter mens world or think they have remotely understood anything about it. Hilarious
Huge "sometimes" on this. If I do something intentionally or even unintentionally hurtful, like not calling when I drove home in a blizzard, I drew the foul. But if we disagree, I debate strongly and she slaps me to "redirect" the argument, this can happen.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/1Im94IuM_3oLike the old man, sometimes women feel they are entitled to violence as "discipline" when men are supposed to just accede. With me, Bad Idea.
No , even if its a guy or a girl getting physical is not right, even if the significant other is stronger and can take it. Most domestic violence cases the the guy would say she had it coming ( which is a cowardly excuse for a man ). And even if she hit you first and you know could knock her out with a gentle blow, you should be stronger mentally aswell.(hopefully they will be sane enough to realise their mistakes). Most wife beaters are cowards and have loads of insecurities. So unless it's a UFC fighter and probably put up a good fight ( yay for equality:P) getting physical with weaker subjects is pathetic regardless of the gender.
He can slap her back
@SportsNerd what? no...
A slap back is ok
A slap would not hurt much
"An eye for an eye, a wound for a wound, etc" would indicate he could hit her back with equal measure (causing the same amount of damage that she inflicted upon him, but no more than that). Likewise if the person who hit him is a man.
People saying it's justified to beat a person (man or woman) to a pulp just because they slapped you, are spiteful and pathetic and just wanting to justify their cravings for violence
chat shit get hit
I wouldn't punch back, but I would also avoid the punch.
I doubt that the relationship would last until the sun rises, if she tried to punch me!
I don't think it is right to hit anyone, ever, and I have never hit a woman, but I have dodged a few slaps, and maybe 'punches' from some that were acting out, having drank too much.
I always go to avoiding the hit/punch, and restraining, or keeping someone that is too drunk from hurting anyone, when they are out of control.
1. A man should never hit a Lady.
2. If a female hits a man (except for self-defense) she’s not a lady.
3. A female hitting a man is acting like a man & can be treated 100% like a man.
The only problem is that society & the justice system is full of simps (guy’s who kiss female azz) so a man needs evidence that he was in the right OR to make sure she goes into a coma so she can’t lie about what happened. Smart women don’t hit men.
If a woman is deliberately dishing out violence upon a guy who can't escape her wrath, I won't take it against him if he has to defend himself with one punch.
Harsh but yeah, if someone punches me, I'm gonna punch them back. Why can't men do the same? Fuck chivalry, if a woman punches a guy, she's asking for a fight, can't expect him to not get mad. Some woman take advantage of the fact that guys are afraid of getting in trouble or that they'll follow the "social norms" and guys won't hit them back.
Well that really depends on whether or not the man wants to live. while a man may have the height and weight advantage, women can be extremely fast and agile. If she has already punched you, that she has closed the distance and eliminated many a man's inherent advantages. Oh yeah, I'm also assuming that these individuals are trained fighters. Spies for example wouldn't have any problem doing whatever it took to survive. The party that fights fairly often will lose and often to lose means to die.
No, he should either block her or push her away or restrain her. That’s like asking if I should hit a younger child just because they hit me. Surely the difference in strength denotes it. But if the woman was strong and the man had a fight on his hands, then by all means punch back if that’s what’s needed to make it fair, I’ve no qualms with that.
It’s so cowardly to hit back at someone weaker (which is most likely to be the case in this situation, albeit not always). Unpopular opinion; but there seems to be a fair few here.
@Janncis I agree, I’m not debating the stupidity of it.
The obvious difference is that men know better than a lion, at least I’d hope so, although it is also fair to say I sadly not everyone is blessed with common sense.
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True i know what kind damage i can do, question is why should i be responsible for your actions, or woman are just incapable of taking responsibility of there own fists? It goes in both ways.
In fact if possible i will try to avoid fight , meaning will suck up few punches, but to draw line? Where to much is to much? I certantly hope men are not as disposable as media tends us to portray.
@Janncis you are not responsible for their actions, you are responsible for YOURS. You sound confused because you talk about a woman not taking responsibility in a demeaning way (understandably) but in the same senstance you try to justify yourself doing exactly the same thing. With all due respect this sounds pretty immature.
Nobody is saying men are disposable at all. I would not consider myself disposable if a youngster tried to do this to me. That sounds like too much like a victim mentality to me. I’d rather lead by example personally.
To avoid any further confusion I refer back to my original comment.
So he shouldn't hit back because she is weaker? Ok, so what if she was almost his strength, height or maybe taller and seemingly bigger?
Well you woman demand us men to take responsibility when you get pregnant or get assaulted. Dont see why we can't demand you to take responsibility for your own fists.
Also im not talking about slapping, most it hurts is pride. Im talking about trowing punches in someones face with intent to do bodly harm. If you would stop after one punch shure do it, but walk away or let me walk away, no insults nothing. You did what you wanted i let it now lets go on our own ways. But if you persist in harming me more i will defend myself. And i dont care how strong you are, if im forced into fight i will be deamed if i can't finish it, or i will be sleeping on ground knocked out.
Well how you can even compare pregnancy to this is beyond me given the fact that both choose to participate unsafely. Look, no offence but I’m done with this convo as it’s less about logic and more about ranting. Good luck with that.
If he objectively knows that his life is not in danger and he can easily escape from further conflict - no. Two wrongs don't make a right, we are not kids who always act on the feeling of getting back at someone. Violence should only be used if there is no other option and only if is is 100% necessary in self defence.
@nathanp97 As I said - 2 wrongs don't make a right and it is not your place to "teach them a lesson", that is just proving you are even worse than them cause you know that you can actually hurt them as men are physically stronger.
Ehh, explain me how im suposed to restrain if i dont have a rope or handcufs? And restraining someone can go south really quick. In self defence u use resonable amount of force. There is no reason to punch someone because of slap.
I think you watch to much movies and have never been i fight. When fists starts flying in your face, last thing you think is restraining them, defence and attack comes first. Also good pair of running shoes are good to have.
As i said before, dont want to get hit dont start hitting someone. You have no idea whats going in that persons head. Some one might as well mugged that person before or treathened beating them up. And i can guarantee you, if by any chance that person has firearm and you even not knowing reach in its direction, you might become swish cheese. And it will be totally ok response. Quiz for him you attacked him and tried to take his firearm.
Or girls are just incapable of taking responsibility for there fists? You will never break trought that glass seeling or get respect if you can't take responsibility of your own body parts. Men have to take responsibility for his, equality is bitch isn't it xD
Oh but you are out of my dating age. And thinking that someone will take responsibility for your own shitty actions is plain stupid and childish. you will be lucky if treated ok after it.
Well ye we Latvians are cold. But somehow here in Europe people know better that to let fists flying and then cry that no one can hit them.
@Janncis Trust me I know, I am not advocating that "women can't take responsibility of their actions" whatever that was about, I am just saying about being able to asess the situation and act accordingly, some people have argued on here with me that if a woman slaps you (even when you really had it coming) it's pretty much ok to beat her to a pulp. That is not normal is all I'm saying.
Morimeme1, wait so are you saying a women can't hurt a man? Lacking physical strength relative to the average man doesn't mean you can't hurt a man. If you think otherwise let someone flick you in the eye as hard as they can. You should be stronger than a finger, don't won't hurt or cause damage. It doesn't take lots of force to knock a person out, break the lower rib, etc...
I think the difference is I care less about her and more about the people she will hit again, because she thinks she can get away with it. If I hit her now I might be able to prevent the next guy from getting hit.
As for your last comment, why would a man have it coming. Did he hit her first. If not he didn't have it coming, because to say that would mean a guy could slap a girl for the same reasons. And I don't think anyone is saying if a girl hits you once you can beat her to a pulp.
@nathanp97 And again - it's not your place and I would highly advise you against it because let's face it - in court it is the man who will be prosecuted for abuse, if he hit her back she can easily frame him. "I'm gonna hit her to save others" fake hero attitude does not fly either. And yes a man can have it coming if he has mentally abused her, been a real prick, cheated on her etc, a slap is a minor punishment for the mental pain (a woman would also deserve that in my opinion but I already explained why that is a bad idea).
As long as it is on camera that she hit first or you have a few witnesses you are fine. The court can't really go against that even if they want to. Guys have to hit back because the girls won't get punished otherwise. They already get 60% less prison time for the same crime a man commits.
I think its simple, wana be treated as lady, then act like one, wana be treated as men well start fights. Of course there are boundries, but things usually goes south wen one party oversteps them. If you want to hit him slap him, only thing he can do then to save face is to go away. But god deamit dont start fights, or there are real hight chance you will be treated as men and punched back.
A man should only hit a woman if she has a weapon and is attempting to kill him.
Idgaf call me a feminist all you want but for the same reason why they do not allow women in the infantry. A man should not hit a woman.
If anything grab her wrists and try to calm her down
If a woman you don’t know ever attacks you then you better assume she has 1. A weapon, 2. Friends nearby who will jump you from behind.
You better go all out on her to end the threat instantly so you have time to deal with other potential threats. Playing games gets you killed. It’s no joke.
Half-arsed violence doesn't solve anything. If someone attacks you, you give them everything you've got short of deadly force (unless they're using deadly force) and end the confrontation as quickly as possible.
To do otherwise increases the risk of serious injury or death.
Yes, guys should be able to defend them selves and there are some pretty strong girls out there.
However, I wouldn't recommend punching anyone XD
to protect himself because equality. a woman cannot think that she has a free pass to hit a man because he’s a gentleman. personal safety comes first
I can argue and speak my mind as well as the next person, and I don't need to resort to physical violence to get my point across. I don't start physical fights but I will defend myself as I see fit.
If someone starts a fight or physically attacks me, I don't care if it's a guy, girl or a damn Snuffleupagus, I will do everything in my power to remove that threat as quickly as possible.
If she is a serial killer, then of course he should punch back and defend himself.
If it is a ligh punch like a feather then dont punch back
If it is a friendly punch then punch back lughtly and not hard.
If you are having a boxing match the yeah you are gonna punch back.
What i am trying to say is it depends on the situation and uf she us week or not and what relationship you both have.
As I said before a women hit a guy because she knows he’s not supposed to hit her back, it’s the same reason why bullies look for fight they can win. No girls who hits guys goes around hitting girls that can kick her ass. So if you want her to learn her lesson should be hit back just so she doesn’t feel it’s ok to bully people.
That is why i wad trying to yell you from the begning that it depends on the situation.
Is it your girlfriend, sister, a bully, a friend, your mum, a killer, a muscular female, a weak female?
It is like females are mouse and males are cats when it comes to how the dody is build like and strengt
She gonna get judge bad because a girls sleeping with multiple guys isn’t impressive, there no work involved when a bad bitch sleep with a ton of men. If she had to have game and convince men to sleep with her then should would be praised for it. Because then she’s doesn’t something that’s actually takes work.
What if she habe sleept with 1 man, but then they broke up and the she gets another boyfriend and sleep with him. That will be 2 men and she will be judged bad.
Girls who hits/bully guys for no reason are crazy.
And 1 punch from a strong guy can kill a girl if she is week.
Guys gets judged if the hit back, because of the strengt diffrency
He can slap back
In my opinion all the men that voted yes are weak and dont know how to handle the situation maturely, what are we? 5th graders? Just doing anything because you think its fair? Women are emotional of course they’re gonna have a strong response to certain circumstances and its the dudes job to know how to handle it rather than play the “fair” game, cause in essence its not and men are stronger so that’ll just be dumb for them to fight back.
I disagree. I think it’s fair for men to hit back. Hitting back is not a sign of weakness, it’s just self defense. Girls can and do threaten men.
Be a man and dont hit back, simple as that. Men are stronger and are more control of their emotions, its immaturity for him to think its fair and fine
Well its true factually that women tend to be more emotional
We’re talking about a relationship, women do their work fine but when it comes to relationship no sane man would hit a woman back, if he does and thinks it what she deserves, he surely was not raised right
Yes out of anger, anger is normal in a relationship from time to time (not excessive) not spousal abuse if it isn’t reoccurring frequently
Ok so you think its ok to hit women why? When clearly men have an advantage physically. What kind of logic is that. And no not all women who hit their spouses also hit strangers. And im not saying women should hit, no one should hit but to say that a man should hit back is complete and utter bullshit
Well yeah id agree, assault in general is not a good thing
Alright, well my point is that saying it's normal for women to (occasionally) hit their partners sounds like it's saying women can't stop themselves, or that they are fine with it.
I think that women are able to stop from hitting their partners, and that most see it as bad.
I don't think that the partner should hit back (unless he is about to be severely injured), but he should be able to feel safe in a relationship. I still see uncommon violence as abuse.
Oh well my bad, i thought you meant that it was ok for men to hit women just in general, i think men should back away from any abusive woman, im just saying that if a man can't take a few hits without hitting back is a problem. Women or men shouldn’t hit in general but a man who is physically stronger than a women shouldn't hit because he clearly has more of advantage and can also control his emotions more.
If women are too emotional to keep from hitting then they shouldn't be allowed to hold most kinds of jobs and such.
@bamesjonf0069 relationships are different. A job is more professional and organized and an entire company with tons of people with responsibilities most times. A relationship is shared with only 2 people.
What's a relationship have to do with it?
Its literally the thing i was talking about in the comment that u replied to
So what about women who are single who punch men?
Who the fuck would do that? What scenario r u talking about
I don't know my buddy was walking down the street and a random girl punched him in the face and laughed. We have no idea why she even did it. He just stood there stunned.
I saw a dude bump into a girl in a club accidentally and she punched him in the face twice. He pushed her and she fell over and he ran away.
I had a room mate and she punched me in the face and broke my tv. So i locked her outside in the snow and broke most of her shit and then threw it outside with her.
She did that to me because she was in a fight on the phone with her boyfriend and was just watching tv minding my business.
Well the punch is uncalled for on the first but the second one is self defense, the guy might have had good intentions but women tend to be more exposed to assault than men so it would be understandable as to why she reacted in such a way. Why are you trying to justify hitting a girl back? What type of man are you? Gross.
Okay, it's cool that we seem to be on the same page. I think an issue is that punches to the face head and neck can be lethal, regardless of both genders. Men may be less fragile, but they aren't immortal.
I think that's different from getting punched in the shoulder (which both genders did to me a lot growing up). Perhaps the question is too vague... it didn't even mention relationships, just made a generalization for all women and men.
if I hit a guy then I'm fully prepare for him to hit me back
which is why i don't hit people bc i don't wanna get hit back
i think he's well within his rights
I think if someone has violence initiated against them, they have the right to use the absolute minimum amount of violence that is necessary in order to cease the attack. Anything beyond that should be considered a second instance of assault.
The sex of either party is simply not relevant, at all, whatsoever.
Yes definitely. Nobody should be expected to just sit there whilst being assaulted
For one, it would be hard to get me to hit anyone at all but on top of that, I'm not a bully so I'm certainly not going to be eager to hit anyone weaker than me whether that be a woman, a child, or a smaller man. Because of this, if it came down to having to hit someone, I wouldn't care about their gender, race, age or anything else -- if the situation requires that someone needs to be hit (and again, for me this would be a very extreme situation), then I'm going to hit them.
Yes, it's self defense reaction. Maybe not a punch, but a face slap is justified.
I had one time such situation where my ex tore apart my shirt and scratched until I bleed my chest and face. I didn't have another option then to defend myself.
I would never touch a woman just because of verbal abuse, but if the attack becomes physical it's over with being a gentleman. I don't allow anybody to beat me.
doesn't matter why a woman hits a man. sadly 9 of 10 men probably deserved it.. Reguardless of circumstance guys just take the hit like a man. doesn't make it ok , or justify a woman for doing it.. In my opinion the woman who hits the guy should also realize she has impulse and anger problems.. We all have our faults.
No you don't punch her. If she's truly out of control, you restrain her, that's it. There's no reason to do damage.
I'm disgusted by these numbers
Bravo! A man who hits a woman is weak.
The average South Asian man is lighter, shorter and has a lower BMI than the average White European woman. Does this advocacy for "equal opportunity, not equality of outcome" mean that you'd also refuse to condone punching back against an Indian or Pakistani man who punched you, on account of the physical disparity which exists between you, an average American man, and the average South Asian man? A physical disparity greater than that which exists between yourself and the average White American woman? If an Indian guy came up to you and punched you in the face, repeatedly, would you really be arguing "If you can't defend yourself without punching the Pakistani man, get back in the gym. If your intention is to teach him a lesson, someone should teach you that a good man is capable of hurting people, but chooses not to," and "Bravo! An American man who hits an Indian man is weak!"?
Yes actually, if there was a physical disparity between me and another man that is equal to or greater than the physical disparity between average American men and women, I wouldn't feel the need hit him back.
There are more variates to this situation than we are discussing. The only thing I can assume from the stated question is that a woman hit a man one time.
It's a great question you posed because I'm naturally inclined to think a woman's intentions are different than a man's intentions in this situation. I tend to think a woman wants to provoke a reaction, whereas a man is trying to prove himself.
@nathanp97 just because your dad hit your mom don't make it right.
I understand the reasoning behind hit 'em back. If you're assaulting someone, they can defend themselves. A little man or a little woman. On the other hand, if it was EITHER a little man or a little woman, you could JUST as well restrain them and avoid damage to everyone.
@Screenwriter Just because someone's diminutive and/or physically weaker, doesn't mean they're not a crazy psycho. In fact, when they're the aggressor, it's more commonly the other way round- someone who'll attack you, completely unprovoked, when you have clear height, weight and build advantages, is most likely going to be either a complete idiot with zero sense of self-preservation, or a total raving psycho who'll go straight for gouging your balls (eyeballs, or the other set of balls down below) out with their first attack. Remember, Wolverine's canonically only 5'3". And the average knife crime perpetrator's statistically 4-5" shorter than the average person, shorter than the average female. That's why they carry knives in the first place- to overcompensate. And that's why you DO need to do everything in your power to incapacitate an unprovoked assailant ASAP, regardless of whether you dominate them physically or not. Because even if you do, that just makes it even likelier that they'll have prepped other measures to overcome that little obstacle, and even likelier that any show of mercy'll only escalate the situation to one of life-and-death. Law of the streets...
Whether or not it's likely that they are a raving lunatic with a knife, I didn't take that as the topic of discussion.
The idea is to act out of self-defense. If you can EASILY defend yourself without risking permanent damage to the assailant, that's the morally sound thing to do.
If you think your life is at risk, of course defend yourself the best you can. Don't show up in divorce court and say "I thought my wife was gonna kill me" when she hit you once.
@nathanp97 Exactly. The risk of permanent damage to MYSELF is my first and foremost priority, not the potential risk of permanent damage to the assailant I might cause by retaliating. And I know from personal experience that it's fundamentally impossible to avoid any risk of causing permanent damage to the assailant, no matter what you do or don't do- learnt that at school, when I got a month's suspension, I kid you not for 'bruising the knuckles' of a far older, larger, heavier and stronger 18yo student. Who'd shoved me (an only-just 13yo) to the ground in the middle of the schoolyard in an unprovoked assault, sat on top of my chest, and pummeled my head into the concrete for almost a minute straight, loosing no less than 57 blows with all his might. All I did was to lay back and take it- the first couple to my face, the rest against my forearms after I started blocking them- before politely asking him if he was done when he ran out of steam, waiting for him to clamber off me, then getting up, brushing myself off and going about my business. And him? He got only 3 days' suspension. After all, he was the one who'd gone to complain about his bruised knuckles (and ego, after having been incapable of inflicting permanent injury upon a scrawny little 13yo). And he was a Pakistani Muslim, so he was automatically 'the Victim'.
@nathanp97
1. False, your life is not at risk if you can physically overpower the attacker. This would be similar to saying your life is at risk walking up a flight of stairs.
2. True, but taking on that responsibility is the right thing to do. The reason I feel this way is because I actually care about humans. Maybe you're more concerned about yourself?
3. False, I wouldn't blame the victim for assaulting their attacker. Shit happens, but if you go the extra mile to "teach them a lesson" lol, that makes you the attacker.
Have you ever been hit by a girl? The situation isn't always this tense. Why do I have to say this again? The question was if a girl punches you, not if you're approached by MMA fighter Ronda Rousey who wants you dead.
*sorry, tarmac, not concrete. Happened in the middle of the tennis courts, where we were playing football- I passed the sixth-formers' ball back over to them when it came over onto our pitch, and he charged me down 'cause I hadn't handed it over directly to him instead.
"1. False, your life is not at risk if you can physically overpower the attacker. This would be similar to saying your life is at risk walking up a flight of stairs." No, this would be similar to saying that your life is at risk fighting off a seemingly rabid feral dog, that's just attacked you out of nowhere for no apparent reason. You can easily physically overpower the average dog- you have a MASSIVE size, weight, strength, age and intelligence advantage over it. But are you seriously going to tell that person "You CAN'T kick that attack dog, that's ANIMAL CRUELTY, you're DISGUSTING!"?
"2. True, but taking on that responsibility is the right thing to do. The reason I feel this way is because I actually care about humans. Maybe you're more concerned about yourself?"
So what, now you're saying that 'yourself'- ergo, the man in this situation- ISN'T even HUMAN? You're dehumanizing the victim just because the hypothetical attacker's female?
"3. False, I wouldn't blame the victim for assaulting their attacker. Shit happens, but if you go the extra mile to "teach them a lesson" lol, that makes you the attacker."
You literally just did. And if you DON'T go the extra mile to be sure they no longer have the will and/or capacity to press their determined assault, that makes you their facilitator. We may be men, but we have no obligation to allow ourselves to be victimized, just to "atone for our male privilege".
"Have you ever been hit by a girl? The situation isn't always this tense. Why do I have to say this again? The question was if a girl punches you, not if you're approached by MMA fighter Ronda Rousey who wants you dead." Actually, YES. SEVERAL times. And I actually DO have SEVERAL permanent injuries, including no less than THREE permanent FACIAL injuries, which were all inflicted by female aggressors with no real motive. Including a massive bite-mark on the bridge of my nose, caused by my little sister in a massive tantrum she threw at me because I just happened to be there when she couldn't find her phone (which turned out to have been in her pocket the whole time- still NEVER got any hint of an apology). And an even more massive pinch-mark on my left upper cheek, on the outside of my eye- inflicted by my aunt, who pinched out a massive chunk of flesh, when I was less than 18 MONTHS old. Why? Because I had the temerity to have been born- almost two months prematurely, while her own son had been delivered almost a month later than expected, giving me seniority in the line of succession by less than a fortnight.
No, the situation ISN'T always that tense. Normally, it's far MORE tense. Because they're fully aware that they can do whatever they want to you, assault you with near-total impunity and immunity, not only from the law, but from any social disapproval or reputational fallout whatsoever. Solely because they're female and you're male. Get a clue.
1. Really, tell that to the guys who died because a girl they were stronger than nocked them of balance and fell head first onto the corner of the coffee table. If you think being stronger means you can't get seriously hurt than why not let someone flick you as hard as possible in the eye? You are stronger than their finger so, by your logic it won't do any serious damage. Girls have finger nails and are more likely to use a weaponed, so yes you are endanger. Going up stairs is a choice, getting attacked by a girl isn't. Anything can be a penitent risk to your life, but people make choices to take those risks. The problem is when some takes that choice away from you, which is what a girl would be doing.
2. I think the difference is who we care about. You want to protect the abuser, I want to protect the future victims. If she hits me and get away with it she might do it to another guy. If I hit her back she might think twice.
3. I'm not saying to beat her to a pulp. I'm saying do the same back to her, or perhaps just a nasty b**** slap.
4. You're right they aren't. In elementary school my friends kept getting hit by the girls and the girls thought it was funny. All the teachers in the school were female and just laughed and ignored it. Years later in high school a girl hit one of them and he punched her back and got suspended, while she didn't. That is why I strongly believe girls need to be taught through getting hit back that it is wrong.
Why Should I not hit back?
Isn't she started it?
Didn't she consider the situation and that I will smack the shit out of her if she hit me?
Why would she hit someone not knowing whether he will hit back or not?
If she knows that I will not hit back, will she stop hitting me?
I HAVE MY FUCKING PRIDE. NO FUCKING BODY TOUCHES ME
THAT'S TO SAY, if she hit me, I will give her my best so she doesn't try and hit someone else
Aren't we equal afteall?
If no, then stop bitching about wage difference because it doesn't fucking exist
Would you punch your mom back if she punched you first? How about your wife/girlfriend? I get that if she posed a threat you may want to defend yourself, but I doubt you would ko your mom for a punch, unless she was a professional fighter and she could ko you with another punch. A regular woman can't even throw a punch properly...
He can slap her back
I've been defending myself from child abuse for like 15 years so fuck your retarded opinion xD emmily2396
@Nachowedgie I am not talking about cases when your parent is mentally ill and you are being abuse. I am talking about your mom spanking you for doing something stupid. If she hits you once without a weapon I doubt you are in big danger unless she is a professional fighter and can do serious damage with just 1 hit. Learn to read before calling anyone's opinion raterded.
If you crashed her car due to drunk driving and your mom hits you once then you hit her full force? If anything is retared that is your way of seeing things.
I never said my parent was mentally I'll
No you aren't talking about being spanked as punishment you clearly said "Would you punch your mom back if she punched you first" a punch isn't a slap, a punch is abuse.
Retarded* learn to spell
I don't drive nor drink nor does my mom own a car.
What you said is retarded and insulting to those who've experienced child abuse or spousal abuse and quite frankly you should be disgusted with yourself. You have basically said you should just let your parents (in this case the mother) abuse you because she gas a vagina. Can a 5 year old boy defend himself against a 27 year old woman, no he fucking can't, so use that pea sized brain of yours for once you absolute moron.
Has* not gas (autocorrect)
@Nachowedgie Well said man
Thank you @DeshawnMGTOW
Exactly
It depends. I've been punched by a girlfriend in the face before, but she weighed 90 pounds and it hurt as much as you'd imagine (i. e. not at all); so, me punching her back would be over-kill, BUT I think it is reasonable to push her away, which may result in her falling.
If the girl is significantly larger than you and is relentlessly attacking you (as a man) I think it is reasonable to fight back to the extent that her assault is stopped.
This is coming from my experience working as armed security in section 8 housing.
Would I retaliate back? Yes if I’m trying to get her off of me. If she keeps missing, then there’s no need for me to swing. The only women I’ve encountered that come fully swinging are drunk or are on drugs. Harder to deal with than a pissed off sane person on a power trip.
personally i could care less any kind of attention from a girl is hot even if i m put in ICU lol but have yet too meet a girl that could do that lol. i dont think guys should because unless she has a bat or some kind of training the worst she can do is smash your nuts or take an eye out. but i dont worry off pain since i have a high tolerance fr it. but most guys would maybe hit back but not me.
If the woman is being abusive and punching me then I will wait for her to draw blood and cause me the most physical damage as I'm intending on sending her ass to jail. She comes at me too hard I will defend myself within reason. Even if it takes knocking her out to defend myself. Physical abuse is never okay regardless of who is doing the abusing. If you disagree then that's fine. Im sure the white knights will go REE at this but come at me Bros.
I don't think anyone should be punching anyone. And a woman hitting a man isn't a threat to his life. If she does, by all means make her need plastic surgery. But let's be honest here: a typical 120 lbs girl is not going to do a lot of damage to a 200+ lbs dude. The threat isn't the same. So, push her away, restrain her, but don't pretend it's a threat on his life and he should found and pound Tito Ortiz style
So if I flick you in the eye is it not going to hurt or cause damage. It matters where you hit more than how hard. If she punches you and it causes you to trip you could hit your head and die or be seriously harmed.
Also if the guy and girl weight roughly the same are you fine with the idea of a guy hitting back?
My logic is if you don't want to get hit back don't hit someone in the first place. And if you do you have do live with the consequences.
I don't care what your logic is. This is a general statement. You can run what if scenarios in your journal all day. If one isn't posing a threat to you, as the average girl doesn't to the average guy, it doesn't make sense to hit back merely because she hit you. If she's intent on killing you alright go nuts. But generally speaking, principle of proportionality.
I do believe a man should do his best to retreat first, but if retreat is not possible AND/OR unreasonable he should use whatever force is needed to end the situation, and ONLY WHAT is necessary to end the situation. I had a girl try this with me when I was in the military. When she went to punch me I just stuck my foot out, tripped her and walked away
1st of all till now no women dares to lay a hand on me and if a feminist did it, i'll hit her back or brake her arm, she will be in a very bad situation...
Now why did i say feminist? Because no respectful woman would ever think about laying her hand on a man who is a crown on her head.
I don't think you understand the definition of feminism.
@4eyes2mouths i do, while you don't because the definition of feminism today has changed a lot since it's creation and these little nagging fake female liars appear like angels while they are demons from inside.
What is the definition then?
@4eyes2mouths read about the early 60's to 70's feminism
No. What is "your" definition.
@4eyes2mouths my definition is that i don't believe in feminism...
Just because you don't want to believe in something doesn't mean the definition doesn't exist or has changed. You're an idiot.
Now you choose to not respect all women that are feminists (that you don't believe in.) Lol ok bud.
No and not because it`s a woman but because he shouldn`t go so low to punch a person back. My response would be the same if it were two men fighting. I don`t believe violence is the answer. People want to talk about making the world a better place and to stop violence but then they support it as well (eye roll)
@Lucky1974 That is true but we're not talking about murder. That's different. I've been in situations where the possibility of me killing someone was real. This "do you think if a woman punches a man, he should punch her back" isn't one of those life or death situations.
I'm saying I don't believe violence is the answer because it shouldn't be. Sadly it is and I know that. I just think if I were a man and I got hit may it be from my sister, crazy girlfriend or ex or a stranger then I'd just walk away because hitting back would be a reaction out of anger and our of "getting back" at the person who started.
Also it's not nice to see people fight. Why not be the "bigger" person and walk away?
This is a fight after all. The whole punching thing. If a woman was trying to murder a man then I'd definitely say the man should protect himself but again... we're not talking about murder and instead this is about punching.
Hello 530d. I hope for the sake of preventing misunderstandings you read my first message at the very top. When I gave the example of murder, I wasn’t implying murdering women, I was thinking of politicians, conglomerates, and shareholders who are running this planet and civilians six feet under.
I carry a fire extinguisher filled with concentrated packing foam for just this purpose. In my line of work women are constantly attacking me with edged weapons, which is where the fire extinguisher comes in as an excellent deterrent. You know what they say, squirt in a woman's face and she'll forgive you for anything.
No, but yes.
In most cases it's easy to just stop (or hinder) (or ignore) that punching.
I see exceptions: if that punch comes out of vicious intentions AND can be considered 'dangerous' ... she will bleed as much as a man would ( If I'm successful, that is ;) )
@crazy8000 True. With 'ignore' I rather tried to say (but failed to :) ) that I don't respond to the punch itself.
Absolutely. It would be self-defense while she is the attacker / suspect. I would definitely take her down if she got me first. Being a woman does not give her the right to attack men without facing consequences one way or another.
I have never done so. Although I did get slapped once or twice. Being stronger by far I did not feel threatened so I only took hold of her arms to prevent any others.
Looking back on it now, answering your question, after so many years I find it funny to what extent I kept my cool, calmly asking "Ben je nu klaar?"
Afterward I even told her that a fist should be made with the thumb on the outside. "this way you'll break it, silly".
Physical abuse is physical abuse. Just because it's a girl punching him doesn't mean she can't cause bodily harm. Granted, if he did something to deserve it, he should just take it. But if the woman started a fight and posed a threat to his physical well-being, there's no reason why a man cannot defend himself.
Anyone that picks a physical fight should expect to be beaten until they stop moving. Then they should expect to be arrested and charged with battery and go to jail for at least 30 days after they get their ass whooped.
Everyone speaks for equality... Why here should be different
Very very true
At least most weak skinny guys understand that if you punch a grown man, you're gonna get your ass kicked. You ladies like to take your privilege for granted.
If you don't wanna catch hands, don't throw hands. I'll treat you exactly the same as a weak, scrawny man.
No. As it says in "Are Women the Stronger Sex?", free from obooko, men usually have upper body strength stronger than women so a woman punching a man probably wouldn't be as hard as if a man hits a woman. Besides, if a woman hits a man, it's probably because he did something to her. Whereas, if a man hits a woman, it's often because she didn't "do as she was told" (what is she, a child?) or it's a means of controlling and intimidating her (which is abuse).
Right because violence against males doesn't exists. Sure!
Don't punch him if you don't want him to punch back as easy as that. If you dont want to get hurt then don't hurt him lol
Shameful that other women are saying "no." If you abuse a man, he has a right to protect himself. Stop using our gender as a shield to protect yourself.
Many women think that they are allowed to punch a man but men are not allowed to punch women, so they take advantage of it. Very awful!
In my opinion, whoever punches you, you have the right for self defense and hit back if necessary.
If a woman hits someone, she should be aware of her starting a fight and expect of getting hit too.
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