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For myself and those I know, we do try to be romantic. However with some I know there is a sense of just s*x and that's all that's expected. For younger people (18-24) I see a lot on tiktok and the like shaking their butts and it devalues romantic settings. There's no point in a guy trying to be romantic if it's only going to cause them to lose money and even being scolded for simping.
I hold off on romance for awhile because most women don't seem really appreciative or reciprocal.
Now.. if she is a sweet woman who will touch my chest and whisper lovely things into my ear, give me massages or even flowers, then sure, let's talk! I will return that same energy.
But if she's just going to play on her phone and expect me to do everything, I'm not going to be romantic for shit (or be around long).
Ditto!
Well, you haven't met me then. In my experience women are more interested in social media and their phones than they are in love and men and romance.
If you ask me, the girls I see aren't interested in relationships nor romance. 🤷♀️
Maybe because woman don't appreciate it anymore, or take it so much for granted that they don't make any effort to deserve it. Not to mention those who will take advantage of it for their own interest by leading on a romantic man for profit.
And thank feminism too, that taught women that being a gentleman, or a romantic man, was sexist.
XDDD I'm romantic AF, it's probably one of the most attractive things i do. Because i always want to find out I'll kinds of small details so when i find something in a store that reminds of something you said I'll just be like "yep, she gonna smile when i give to her soooo HELL YEAH I'M BUYING THIS", i love making people smile but when i do it the person i love the most, man that feels good hehe
Cuz feminism. "We don't need or want no stinkin' men."
And unless he's really good looking, and rich beyond belief, any approach is considered 'creepy'. You girls have done it to yourselves. And you give up sex too easily, so they don't have to do ANYTHING.
Yup. Us guys should've known this would happen back when women went crazy for that movie Pretty Woman. Which is basically about a hooker who finds a rich sucker that treats her like a serious girlfriend/wife.
@hahahmm - Seems you're ripe for the red pill. Go here and read at least the first two years' blogs by Rollo: www.therationalmale.com
With understanding comes acceptance. I absolutely love women, have had a shit-ton of them. But I don't take any of their bullshit either.
I think how a man treats women depends on how he was raised including the example set by his role models, e. g. father, brothers, uncles, etc. Also, decent guys that care about you will treat you respectfully. If there are things you wished a guy would do for you, e. g. holding the door open for you, don't be afraid to tell him it's okay with you and you don't mind guy's that do that. As a guy gets to know you he should pick up on what things please you.
Because all they need is sex with infinite women. Even if they romance, it will be for their hidden agenda and you will identify it.
Majority of them are pervert dogs. I don't even consider them as men.
All those telling here that women are independent or aren't worth romancing because you dogs can't ever win a good woman. You're acting like grapes are sour. These are the incels that have many failed relationships due to their selfish behavior.
Pink dislike? The truth hurts b*tch! You're a man's slave. Go get used by them like a doormat.
because more and more men figure out how phoney women are thanks to numerous online platforms discussing female nature and behaviour. You say one thing but respond to something different every fucking time. So let's stop perpetuating the myth that women love romance when this is the one thing that turns every woman off.
Guys don't think of romance in the same way women do. Women fantasize and get ideas from others on what an ideal relationship is like. They need to share this to men and help men understand their wants and needs better.
We don't have to be anymore. Once, men had to woo and court a woman in order to marry her/have sex with her, like it says in the book "Are Men the Weaker Sex?", free from kobo online books. But now women "give it up" for free so there's no incentive for a man to win her love. (Not that he necessarily loved her in the past. It's just that if he wanted to have sex with her, he usually had to marry her first.)
I beg to differ on this one. Many modern men are actually the ones who want to be romantic, but it's a lot of modern women who see romantic men as sissies and are more interested in hooking up with bad asses.
Why put effort into something you can find around the corner? Personally i do enjoy being romantic its fun and i enjoy the sites and smells even if the romance is gone. So basically yea i guess you can say i am a bit selfish but if the date fails at least i got something out of it
There's a lot of whiny women who have over politicized human interaction to the point a lot of very simple shit is interpreted at "sexual assault" and/or "creepy". And many guys just don't bother from there.
It would be one thing if they were just judging you, but fear of legal repercussions is very legitimate in my opinion, as no one wants to ruin their lives over it.
Ugh I don't know, but it bums me out. PSA to men: Most women LOVE romantic gestures, no matter how small. And please never underestimate the value of being a gentleman either. Especially since that seems to be so rare these days.
Women aren’t as open minded sexually as men, so it seem neither of us get what we want. So we’re not entitled to anything
I used to be romantic with my girlfriend, since the beginning, but I've noticed she wasn't the same. Now I'm avoiding being like that, because I feel stupid when I do. Maybe some guys go through experiences like that, and don't receive a good response, then they stop being afectionate.
Exactly
Its peobably just you and nit the kind just to itself. Lots of times we women can sense when it's not really sincere. If you are insecure and you don't have healthy attachment Styles we can pretty much since that insecurity and it drains off. So it has nothing to do with being romantic it has to do with your intentions. Lots of times when we people overall a lovers and it says that we are givers to people such as we love our family, we love our friends, we tend to feel like it's not enough and it's usually due to emotional abuse and neglect growing up. Try to find a root of your intentions. Because you may need to seek psychological help for that. Thats my advice. However, if you just being stingy then perhaps you too are just not compatible. It's okay to leave that relationship as long as you didn't invest too much in it. Be with somebody who appreciates that. Not everybody is the same. But don't change that part about you that's what makes you special.
Awesome. The problem is that lot of people assume too much about other people and they don't talk and communicate. Instead of feeling like you're the victim not saying that you don't deserve to be treated right. Do communicate that with her and ask her what it is as she wants. That's why I tell people all the time don't ditch strangers dater friend you knew for a very long time and who you know their character, the personality, desires Ambitions, Etc. Because we're strangers you tend to put on an act instead of being your true self and that's not healthy. Communication also shows that you respect any other person and that person now has room to communicate and respect you. Try not to be too accusatory when you speak as well. However again, if she doesn't desire to communicate then you probably dealing with a person who is very selfish and you need to remove yourself from that relationship.
Not the kind of gestures itself*
@btbc92
Find the route of your intentions? Women can sense when it's not really sincere?
With all due respect that sounds like a lot of b. s.
If women could actually sense that then they would never get cheated on and abusive relationships wouldn't happen as often as they do.
@btbc92 She used to correspond when I had the habit to be affectionate. But I used to feel like she was just mirroring my behaviors. It's frustrating because she never was the one who initiates things which I could call romantic or whatever. Also, we talked about it twice, and she told me she struggled to demonstrate her feelings. So, I told her it's alright - and it really is - but now I'm the one who struggles to demonstrate things without feeling "stupid/silly".
we've been together for a year, and maybe we're just not so compatible.
It sounds like a lot of BS to you but you're a woman. I can sense and tell that you are a man that is full of hurt, and shame that you actually have your heart feel very closed off. And first of all with your attitude that's why a lot of women do get into abusive relationships and can't sense those things because with your attitude you make a person overthink, you accuse them, and then you make them feel stupid. That leaves a lot of room no problem. At the same time what type of woman are you talkin about? A lot of women and a lot of girls do have that ability but not a lot of them unlike myself were mature enough to grasp those abilities. It takes maturity and not everybody is born with that maturity. Just like not everybody's going to genius correct? Just like not everybody grasp math just ask quickly as a few people correct? It's the same thing with women. At the same time a lot of women as men are forced to have unrealistic expectations and deal with peer pressure. Many dumb of peer pressure into those kind of relationships. After a while it becomes a routine and it becomes a dangerous cycle that is hard to break. When you have love and trust and you want to have the benefit of the doubt that's what happens. It's a learning experience for everybody. And they have to learn to set boundaries. Sadly not everybody does.
I see what it is. She's just like me. I think what you need to understand is have some respect. She's very guarded and she's very hurt so she's not going to be receptive because she may have been abused in the past. And she's not telling you because she doesn't trust you. Have patience and respect her because the some people like her and myself it could take years. Sometimes never at all. Find other things that you both can do together.
She's broken.
Just remember that if you do leave is going to be with much heartbreak. But you're not obligated to stay. Perhaps somebody will have more patience for her if she is still seeking a relationship. Because it does sounds like to me that you both got together based on similar traits. And that you're both are emotionally hurt people. So remember if you're not emotionally straight yourself, you may attract a person who was in the same situation or worse.
But you are not a woman*
I do have respect for her, I don't push any boundary, and always treat her with respect, it doesn't matter if she can express her feelings or not. She says she trusts me, and I think it's true; enough to show me to her parents by the way, and tell me about her past, etc. She just doesn't seem the need to express her feelings like me. And that's it. I've been patient about it. She never had any other boyfriend, by the way. Never been betrayed, etc.
You do understand that you do not have to be experience in dating in order for you to be hurt right? Because I'm that person myself. Never did it not once and I've been broken down in her as if I've been dating for the past few years. Again no. It's not that she doesn't Express her feelings like you. It's because again she's been emotionally broken. You didn't get abused by many of ways. Bullying is abuse. Ostracizing is abuse. The many ways of dealing with abuse. She can also be dealing with problems at home. And to be honest that's where most problems start. At the home. So if she introduced you to her parents you better pay attention. Because we tend to emulate what happens at the home.
I think what you're going to do you're going to have to have a serious talk with her and you're going to have to have a conversation and ask her what is going on. And what happened. Because if she's responding like that I guarantee you it's at the home and is with her parents. She's not telling you the whole truth. I know because that's usually my excuse at the time when I wanted to please people and I didn't want to seem like I'm an emotional burden to a person. Why? Because I learned it from my home environment.
Men used to be romantic because back then women were special and men saw them that way. But today women are no longer special. They have worked very hard to NOT be special, and they have lost the privilege of being treated as special. Men no longer have any motivation to be romantic.
What? Men are and always have been the romantic ones. I swear outside of literature nearly every couple I know has the guy as the more romantic one.
Flowers, poetry and romance is (marginally more) a guy thing. Prove me wrong!
Seriously people! I could list adorable things every guy friend I have has done. I would struggle to think of one per five of my girl friends. Girls are loving, considerate, supportive, wonderfully wicked and look fantastic in half of everything. But boy, girls are not romantic.
I think the misconception is that men of the past were more romantic. I think in the past they were very romantic for a time to sort of trap a woman, and then stopped trying. I think there were a lot more unhappy marriages, though less divorces because it was taboo.
The guy was testing the woman to see if she was only for casual (likely to be giving it up to every dude who wanted some) or if she was good for long term serious because she had standards. So what if the guy used romance as an FBI sting. Women have about 150 trap tests they pull on guys every month. Us men only had 1.
Not saying every guy used it as a trap tho - just playing along with your premise.
Modern pop culture and the latest wave of Feminism has made dating a grim business that has given way to the hookup culture. Women caused this and let it happen. They give us nothing to love except pussy.