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Then how come kings, dukes, captains and superiors had long hair while the slaves are required to get a haircut if its "feminine"? If you're going to bring up the argument "but that was back then and this is now" i already got an answer for that.
@Aiko_E_Lara did you read what i wrote? Its a fucking king. He won the game of being the most powerful male. So now he can flaunt long hair as a sign of power. Smh. I already wrote all this.
But that still has nothing to do with genders. Your argument is saying it is feminine so the kings are feminine because they have long hair. Or in short, you're just saying it's ok to be feminine because he is a king. But really though i can still bring up the fact that people had long hair even if they weren't kings. So yes it is more of a social construct to consider it feminine and that doesn't necessarily make it hard wired in us that men are supposed to have short hair. Because i also know when the short hair became a trend. That is also that time where men became industrial slaves but we're not living in that area anymore.
@Aiko_E_Lara what does any of what you said have to do with anything?
i can also ask. What does hair length have to do with genders?
@Aiko_E_Lara because long hair signals femininity and short hair masculinity? Obvious answer for an obvious question. Let me ask you this... what do penises have to do with it?
Because if that were true then why are men even capable of growing long hair? You're talking about long hair as if it's biologically exclusive for women just like how you're talking about penises right now. Such terrible comparison
Is that your argument "because it is said" you're just appealing to tradition and it a logical fallacy
Also exactly if you're confused about what penises have to do with this then you're just basically confused with your own claim claiming that hair is gendered.
Obvious answer is obvious answer you say? If it's obvious then how come you still don't get it? I literally gave you the reason behind the short hair trend for men. But there you are just saying "because it's a symbol because appealing to tradition" without having any real reason behind it
@Aiko_E_Lara seeing as most men go bald to some degree... shorter hair is absolutely a natural male feature for most men for most of their lives. Women typically never bald, so longer hair is naturally a feature of most women for most of their lives.Also due to mens activities such as war, short hair was the norm for practical purposes. Men with long hair and long beards were being show offs. Women since the dawn of time have been less concerned with war so to cut their hair specific for that purpose makes little sense.
Just because their is some gender overlap or ambiguity does not negate the biological aspect. Sexual differentiation is what causes sexual attraction. That is biological and nothing changes that. Whether the feature is biological or a social construct in part or in full. It is masculine or feminine and used as a cue for reproduction.
Most doesn't necessarily mean all. If you want to save biological like comparing it to reproductive organs, you cannot say most males have penises because every male do just like how you say most guys go bald. So yes comparing here to reproductive organs is still a terrible comparison. What also doesn't change is the fact that men are still capable of growing long hair. Not all men goes bald and i cannot say not all men don't have penises. So with that reasoning, it is still a straw man fallacy. Last i remember you are giving kings exceptions but what about people way back in the past? Jesus, his disciples, romans and even the villagers had long hair. Time is irrelevant because humans are still humans despite what time it is. Most guys only when short hair because they just prefer it due to the brainwash that happened.
@Aiko_E_Lara most or all is irrelevant of the trait. Balding is biological. Period. Whether all men go bald is irrelevant. It is a sexual differentiation that is a cue for sexual fitness. Just like tits. Not all women even have visible breasts, some are totally flat. Some fat men have tits. doesn't make it any less biologically feminine to have breasts. They are a sexual cue for men to determine who to be attracted to.
Biological but it's not exclusive for men also because women goes can go bald too. That's also the point i talked about which you just wanna deliberately ignore to give yourself a validation. If you also wanna compare it to tits to hair, i'm still talking about exclusives being, since when do men breastfeed? Since when is men and women's boobs the same? If hair is the sexual cue for men to determine who to be attracted to then men from the very beginning of evolution would've get a hair cut. But that's not really the case. Balding may be but balding is not a choice, hair cut is a choice so there for it's not linked to our biology that we must cut our hair as if we're gonna die from it just because we go balding.
@Aiko_E_Lara " If hair is the sexual cue..." no. it is A sexual cue. Imagine a world where men and women could not be differentiated because there is no one specific feature that only is 100% for men and one for women. Its a combination of a thousand features that together are used subconsciously to determine sex. How do you know who is a man or woman while walking around? Do you need to do a genital check to figure it out? Lmfao i hope not.
Maybe for you but not everyone has hair fetish. Sure "imagine a world" yeah im basically just like how the world use to be where men had long hair also because it doesn't matter, also in the animal kingdom where males and females exactly have the same fur. You're acting like there's no other feature that determine which one is a male or female but you're making a big deal out of hair that you're just getting used to it and you can't tell the difference anymore by just looking at anyone's face or even just hearing their voice.
And also why is it even necessary to know a stranger's gender. If a see someone I don't know who have long hair whether if it's a he or a she and even if it's obvious, do i have to approach and confirm if they really are? Would you go ask that guy on that picture to see his genitals for you to confirm? I bet you would because it doesn't matter to anyone. Except for those really narrow minded ignorant about how the short hair trend started.
Don't want competition🤔👻
Regal is a great word for it!
It also got me thinking that maybe there is a haircut policy because they don't want the employee to look more superior than the boss who is probably balding. I'm probably being biased but i think curly hair make a guy with long hair look regal the most.
didn't jesus have long hair tho? Or was the bible okay with Jesus been feminine? And like many other men in the bible also had long hair? Was it just pauls bias? Not anyone else's view really in the bible.
I’ve never seen that in the Bible, I’ve seen it say long hair is the glory of a woman that’s about it
1 Corinthians 11:14: Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,In the west Christian dogma was law of the land for 1000 years so it became the normal situation. When Christian writers spoke about heathens one reoccurring item was remarks about men with long hair.And @kanek05 Paul did heavily influence Christian beliefs. Many of his views became canon such as celibacy, women covering their hair, the removal of kosher edicts, etc. The Catholic church considers him their first pope and there was a lot of thought around the last few books in the bible by Christian scholars for those doctrins were what determined the "true church."
so i guess they find jesus a disgrace? following that logic
@Kaneki05 Sorry man, not my religion. I am interested in the history, and study religious beliefs from a historical perspective. I can't argue the theology as there's so many religious twists and turns that it takes a little bit of logic bending to make sense.
Makes sense well thank you very much for your input.
I recon our ancestors had long hair like that, and they were more macho type manly than any present men so eh its kinna irrelevant to call it feminism according to me.
Okay, Peter Pan.
Peter pan. Huh
So I guess a guy who puts lipsticks and make ups on, who wears dresses and gets attracted to guys are not gays as long as he has short hair?
@Aiko_E_Lara no they’re Super Duper gay