Anonymous(30-35)+1 yTechnically women attempt more. But men succeed more, and it's hard to attempt multiple times if you're dead.
And a lot of that is what it comes down to. I've have classmates of both genders attempt suicide. A friend of mine in college who was a girl had a tendency of taking 10 of her once-daily pills and then texting everyone on her phone about it. Not enough it would have killed her. Though enough for her to start hallucinating and then her roommates would have to take her to the doctor. Basically enough that she could "say" she attempted.
Meanwhile, every single guy I knew who attempted suicide told nobody whatsoever. They showed up to school. Then at some point just went out to the card and put a bullet in their head. No calls for help. No slow attempts that can be reversed. Just an intent to die.
I think the real difference here is that a lot of these girls felt they were down enough to want to attempt, but figured people would be willing to come rescue them.
As a guy who had some suicidal tendencies for a short period, I can tell you there was a sense that nobody would come. That by being in need of help, I deserved it even less. And that was if people even noticed me missing. So it was either going to be going out silently, or there would be some spectacle involved to show people what their apathy wrought. But the idea of "someone coming to save me" wasn't really in my head.
So I think that tends to be the difference. Victimhood is an option for women, and elicits empathy. Like prior to that, people are generally eager to help a sad girl. For guys, if feels like victimhood is sacrificing what little value you had left, and people will be eager to see you leave and take your dependent ass with you. So you feel like you either need to hide it until the last second so people don't catch on, or you go out with an explosion so others' apathy is no longer an option.
Sorry to go so dark on that one but that's just what went through my head.10 Reply
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+1 yIn part a failure to seek help early on.
They rarely talk to friends about it, if they do it’s often just being told to man up and stop being gay.
Having worked over 8 years in counselling centre, the usual stats are like this.
10 girls spoken to, 8 come for Initial assessment and then 7 for longer term counselling, with often 1 or 2 of the 3 coming back.
10 guys spoken to, 5 turn up for initial Assessment, then 3 for longer term, but one of the 3 drops out as his mates tell him playing sport and going to pub with them is better for him. No one else comes back.
Guys rarely use tablets, preferring hanging, trains, hose from exhaust
Girls are more likely to seek help earlier, will openly discuss with friends and family.
What would the average blue response if their son or close mate said they were having sexuality problems and thought might be gay.10 Reply
+1 yI can think of something.
I believe it’s one of those things where the truth is surprising and unexpected. Also statistics can sometimes seem to say one thing but the reality is something different.
Now, when I Googled it (you could try this), women actually attempt suicide at a much higher rate. From what I’ve noticed women are more likely to use means like taking pills, or cutting themselves. I guess there’s the possibility some of these are fake suicide attempts though which the statistics wouldn’t know, as I think people probably think it’s a real suicide attempt unless they know someone well and you can’t prove a fake suicide so they have to count it as a real one. So because they attempt suicide by means less likely to be fatal they survive at a much higher rate.
I’ve noticed that men are more likely to try violent means like using a gun or jumping into a river or lake with bags of rocks or heavy objects tied to them. These are more likely to kill someone. Men in general are more prone to act in risk taking and aggressive ways and because they are in those habits, they attempt suicide in ways that are similar to the habits they are used to (more aggressive and risk taking).
This I would almost guarantee explains why as women attempt suicide much more (and I’m almost sure they are at least 3/4 true rather than fake although I’m sure there are plenty of fake suicides for attention), yet men are more likely to die by suicide.
It doesn’t surprise me that women attempt suicide more often since women are treated with less respect than men and abused by both family members and partners more.00 Reply
+1 yMen have evolved to not show their pain. Society forbids them. Pushing down your suffering, will only make it worse. But for the average man, he has no “safe place” to vent his distress. So he is at greater risk of doing something irreversible, and final.
When all he really needed was a good friend, and probably already had one near by, but just couldn’t muster the strength to reach out, with the enormity of disapproval from himself and others, that rests on his shoulders.
Sorry that got deep, never intended to.30 Reply
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+1 yTo my understanding, more women attempt suicide (WHO estimates that women are three times more likely to attempt suicide) as well as engage in intentional self-harming behaviors like self-cutting, but they tend to use means that aren't so lethal when attempting suicide.
Men tend to use far more violent and aggressive means of attempting suicide like firearms, hanging, jumping from the tallest buildings, and exposing themselves to vehicle exhaust gas. The chances of surviving such methods are very slim.
Women tend to use far less lethal means with the most common being self-poisoning, and exsanguination (ex: slitting the wrists in a bathtub). Far more women survive these methods even though far more women attempt suicide.01 Reply- 1.2K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yBecause while the rewards of being in a good position as a man are great, the cost of failure is terrible and some men cannot deal with it.
For women in terms of dating almost all women can go on a date if they want. For very desirable men they can get just as many dates as women and in fact might be more rewarding for them than for the women. While the undesired man can get no dates at all.
Same with money. Women usually get help if needed or have a man pay their way. So they generally do about average. Some men are ultra successful. But the poor man is poor and nobody will help him.
This concept works with many other aspects of life. Where women as a group take a moderate path and men are forced into success or failure outcomes. So men who fail on multiple fronts have a hard time coping and might take more extreme measures, suicide being one of them, others are extreme work ethic or risk, school shootings, criminal enterprise, etc.00 Reply - 1.4K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yIt's not because of society telling them not to show feelings but it's how they say it. Men lacks the appreciation while being pressured to strive. Despite all their hard work and no appreciation, if they show feelings just once, it's all shame. On contrary, another cause would be is how society just say it's ok not to man up. It just makes men feel even more useless and that's basically telling them that they're defeated and there's nothing they can do. Teaching men to find solution instead of being emotional and appreciating them is suppose to be how you treat men. Society just don't appreciate them anymore also because of how developed our technology is right now.
00 Reply 1.4K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Because men are way more likely to have more expectations and/or responsibilities than women. Western society is setup to give women a pass if they do something wrong or fail to be responsible. It's almost always possible for the woman to blame it on a man and the government will agree with her. She could stab herself with a knife & claim her boyfriend made her do it & he'd be sent to prison 9 times out of 10.
10 Reply493 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Well some reasons are:
• There are more men than women in the world/there's more than enough penis
• Men don't have as much innate value/due to not having vagina
• Men are expected to take on more responsibility/due to having penis
• Mens mental health isn't taken very seriously/...^01 Reply
+1 yHigher stress jobs, sometimes the system screws them over. Seen a few who ended their lives because child support made them homeless.
Likely a million different reasons though.10 Reply
+1 yMen are treated worse and get disregarded by society. Men don't receive support despite being the main victims of violence and rape (most people don't even realize men have higher rape rate in US due to prison system, again no one cares). They don't receive favoritism and typically work harder jobs. The average man is also attracted to more women than are attracted to him which is a further degradation to his soul.
00 Reply513 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Society doesn’t allow them to express their emotion/feeling. They have to deal with it all alone.
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+1 yThat's easy. It's because no one give a flying fuck about men on any level. There are three "spaces" for men with serious mental health issues: Prison, homelessness, and death.
From the age of about 14 on, young men realize they are on their own.05 Reply- +1 y
@KrakenAttackin You just make me sad sometimes, like you could use a hug or something. It's not true though I take care of suicide attempt or suicide ideation patients in the hospital more than I would like. I do what I can as nurse and so do my collegues in social work. Unfortunately mental health services in most U. S. states are lacking, and with men they are often more sucessful because they use more lethal means like guns for instance.
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@whirled_up_girl I do appreciate your efforts. The issue is that men who are not "productive" are not valued on any level. Men have practically zero support when struggling with mental illness, unemployment, social isolation, inability to maintain relationships, past physical/sexual abuse, etc. Men have no where to turn without scathing judgement. Juxtapose this with women who post every fleeting thought they have on Tik Tok. If men posted their problems on social media they would be savaged and shamed.
You mention that men "choose more violent methods", yes, this is because men genuinely want to die vs the female "cry for help".
In the U. S. a man kills himself every 15 minutes equating to 35,000 annually, but we are currently obsessed with transgenders in sports, or "slut shaming", etc. No one cares, why? Because it's only men who are dying. Men are disposable, expendable, interchangeable, replaceable.
Again, I do appreciate your efforts but you have to understand most people just don't give a fuck. - +1 y
@KrakenAttackin I get what you're saying, I do, society as a whole needs to address these issues and they're not, and you're right social media hasn't helped. Anyway, all I'm saying is some of us women do care, I don't know what percentage of us do but it's not zero if that offer you or anybody any comfort.
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@whirled_up_girl It does and again, thanks for your efforts. I think the real answer is men need to support other men. We need to reach out to each other especially when we know another man is facing a serious challenge.
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@KrakenAttackin Thanks for the appreciation, and I agree, support among ones peers partciulalry within their own gender is important. Be well!
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+1 yThey are more likely to feel like failures because they are judged mostly by their jobs while a woman can be judged by both her jobs and her looks so she can diversify her social strategy if she is not succeeding at something.
00 Reply I don’t have an answer but this piece makes sense.
https://www.verywellmind.com/men-and-suicide-232849200 Reply322 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. There is not the support network out there for men who are feeling suicidal that there is for women, also men do not do the ‘plea for help’ suicide attempts that women do, when men decide to suicide they plan it out and do it on the first attempt.
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+1 yToxic masculinity.
How women and children are often seen as priority. (Not humans in general)
How fewer men dont actually reach out for help.16 Reply- +1 y
Toxic masculinity is simply Men trying to fill the roll society and women created for us.
If wearing a pink tutu got men positive female attention it would be dress code for the military. - +1 y
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Positive female attention? Why sexualise mens mental health?
My point was aimed at comments like 'man up' 'men don't cry' 'don't be a wimp' the stigma society has created.
The fear of discrimination of men who actually battle with mental health. That's what is pushing statistics for male suicide.
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@harleigh90. You lost me at "toxic masculinity" which is a feminist mindset that shames men just for being men.
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@KrakenAttackin How does it shame men? Definitely not a feminist mindset never heard anyone say that before.
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Toxic masculinity is literally a feminist concept promoted by man-haters.
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@harleigh90 Toxic masculinity is something made up by feminists to criticize and attack men.
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+1 yI don't know why ANYONE would do it. I've yet to hear of a valid reason!
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Chronic pain? Terminal illness?
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Sorry, yes of course. I meant though in otherwise healthy human beings.
Probably because they don’t share their emotions as much as females do.
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Should they?
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I think the same. They keep emotions inside and overthink
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@Hrithik__xxxx_ Should they share their emotions?
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Ofcourse we should.
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Sounds like a very privileged take
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On the contrary, telling men it's ok to show feelings is a cause actually.
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@Aiko_E_Lara A lost cause
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@Aiko_E_Lara Wdym? 🤔
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If you want a girl to be your friend, tell her your feelings.
If you want a girlfriend, DON'T! - +1 y
You can refer to my comment hear or read my MyTake about it
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@joygirl. Please stop. When men do share their "emotions", women are instantly repulsed. Women give men showing emotions lip service but they absolutely do not mean it.
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@KrakenAttackin Ehhh…ok. Think what you want. 🤷🏾♀️
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+1 yi don't know if they commit it higher... they are just more successful at it. they tend to use guns over pills or other ways for instance
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yawn..
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Seriously.. explain your comment
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i don't take orders :)
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The ER is pretty good at saving people from suicide attempts using OTC drugs these days. The misguided and (and noneffective) drug control in the US has made it so without a script there aren't any drugs you CAN physically "overdose" on. With Liver toxicity being the frequent mechanism.
Because men have it harder in society than women? Duh.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yProbably because men are completely disposable and no one gives a damn about us.
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+1 yWomen attempt suicide as a cry for help.
Men commit suicide knowing no one will help them.00 Reply- 1.9K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yBecause they use more lethal methods that succeed more often (girls usually use pills)
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@WhitneySnow. While you are correct there is a deeper issue.
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There's a difference between crying for help and killing yourself. One is a permanent solution, the other is not.
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@maverick2022 Yes.
The ugly truth is reproductive imperative. Basically. It is the same reason men go to war and work in dangerous fields.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yGuys have a harder time dealing with emotional stress and due to their own perpetuated gender culture, feel ashamed in seeking help.
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It's not just our gender culture, women in general don't give a crap about men either.
Opinion Owner+1 yNonsense
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If a guy commits suicide, there's a good chance a woman caused him the pain in the first place. Where I live, there are non-profit organizations which only help women and gyms which only allow women to be members.
Opinion Owner+1 yIn regards to suicide, this is going to be blunt, but welcome to the club. S lot of female suicides are because of male actions. Such things are abhorrent regardless of gender.
That doesn't show a lack of caring about men, for the npo and gyms being female exclusive is to protect us and make us comfortable without being harassed. But there should be npo and more guy centric locations. Where abouts do you live?
Men find it difficult to express their feelings and mental condition. To whom they can express their problems? Most famliy thinks that they are the only source of money and hope for them
10 Reply809 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Must be all that male privilege i keep hearing about
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI would say this is a contributing factor, keyword, contributing, not the sole reason, but maybe because men have always had to take all of the risks when it comes to starting a relationship
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+1 ycuz we have to deal with women 🤣
pat cooper once said women live longer than men cuz women aren’t married to women00 Reply
+1 yPressure, Anxiety, Depression, Societal Requirements.
The list goes on.00 Reply- 1.3K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yThey think their pp is too small. I will admit, kind of pathetic.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yBecause they are physically stronger. To kill oneself requires physical strength.
Also it’s true women attempt suicide more than men. Men just have a more success rate11 Reply- +1 y
Men's attempt can be ignored until they succeed. Because in anything to succeed, there's always an attempt. So yeah men may also have many more attempts except they succeed.
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+1 yBecause we do what we say we'll do.
10 Reply Men are innately disposable.
40 ReplyMen have harder lives and more resolve.
10 Reply3.1K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. They are more results oriented.
00 Replyyikes so many awful answers here
00 Reply1.5K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Studies show that they do
00 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. The male ego cracks and does not fix well.
00 Reply1.8K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Toxic masculinity hurts us the most.
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+1 yWhat do you think?
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