There has over last 10 years been a lot of investigation as to why men are committing suicide at a higher rather than women.
it is not purely men use more lethal methods, in the UK and Europe there is not the same level of access to firearms.
women are far more likely to self harm than men, for example in Scotland twice and many women than men will self harm. women also tend to seek help or admit to their friends they are not coping etc, this can result in an early interception to put in place suicide prevention measures.
it’s also not just that women don’t take a more lethal approach to suicide, some do. However is women suicide an advance of self harm and still at times a shout for help? Obviously not all are and a lot are very lethal methods for checking out.
Being ex military I am not a stranger to friends or other military personal committing suicide.
the following are some good links that look at possible reasons.
my personal view is that men are more likely to have untreated depression than women and more likely to have some addiction, it then becomes a bit of a snake eating itself. Coupled to this is men (generalising) see it as a weakness in seeking help for mental health issues or even admitting that they have a problem.
also as said in the links below, guys are more likely to be impulsive, that ‘fuck it let’s just get on with it’ attitude which works great with a lot of real world challenges also comes into the ‘fuck it lets end it’ thing.
https://media.samaritans.org/documents/ResearchBriefingGenderSuicide_2021_v7.pdf
https://psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/ddc/c8cxpa/further/Dissertation_examples/Poynton-Smith_15.pdf
https://www.priorygroup.com/blog/why-are-suicides-so-high-amongst-men
With a guy not seeking help for his mental health issue, not able to talk to other guys about it, often living alone, not able to talk to his parents about it, let’s face it his older father is even more likely to view it as weak having depression.
He does not get treatment, he will now likely start getting suicide ideation, passive and active. That is a very big and real thing, it ties in very closely with male impulsiveness.
Suicide ideation is something that can live with you every day of the year for life, an example is when you are out driving, rather than looking at road, scenery. You look at the approaching HGV lorry and think ‘what if I just swap lanes and hit it head on’.
you don’t but the thought is there, it becomes a standard thought.
One of the articles also covers the lethality side of things and says how a suicide attempt is viewed as a feminine thing and therefore not masculine.
it is scary how many military people commit suicide every year.
Also let’s face it, a woman tying a knot in a rope or getting a hose for a car, you know she’s going to put it in the wrong hole or leave the windows open…(humour by the way).
not looked at the other opinions as I write this, however if anyone said firearms…. What about UK, Europe and other places with very limited access to firearms…
If you have any mental health issues, irrespective of Gender, Sexuality, Ethnicity, Age etc , THEN GO GET HELP, ADMIT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, TALK ABOUT IT, GET COUNSELLING.
When I was growing up I didn't think that there would be a woman within a hundred miles that wanted to even give me the time of day I told myself dozens of times every day that if I had 5 lb of pot in the middle of a woman's prison I still couldn't get laid... If you're not and arrogant mean guy then you're pretty harsh on yourself especially if you're a little shy and don't know how to talk to women and losing your hair I started losing my hair at the age of 18 by the time I was 23 I was slick on top and I thought I look like I survived a nuclear Holocaust in reality I was a pretty good looking man I didn't know this and my mentality at that time was wishing that I was dead hundreds of times everyday it is a thousand wonders that I did not follow through with those wishes I don't know when I stopped thinking like that one day I realized that I hadn't thought like that in sometime and that I actually feel good and wanted to live... Suicide being a permanent solution to a temporary problem is very stupid and if you read about the ones that have tried it and missed like the guy that went to shoot his head off of the shotgun and he pointed the shotgun just a little bit too far forward and blew his face off instead but live through it he said that the instant he pulled the trigger he wanted to live... As far as women committing suicide women cut their wrist or take pills and make sure that someone knows what they're doing because they really don't want to kill themselves they just want and need attention and love just like the rest of us but most of us are two scared to let anyone know what we're actually thinking that's my opinion I know it's probably too long and I should probably erase it before I hit this button but I'm not going to you're stuck with my answer
Because they're impulsive.
Women are known for their communities and within them they talk.
So scenarios are ore exhausted and then reviewed with the gal pals, daily weekly etc etc.
Unless the man's confident he's really willing himself to take the plunge so to speak.
And without a tribe he's kinda left to rebuff himself alone.
Ribbing can sometimes be funny but for others it's crushing.
We forget that men can be equally as sensitive.
I don't think if a guy talks he'll be an emotional wreak of a person, he just needs someone preferably a decent older man with some life experience to listen and guide.
Without that support they can lose their way.
We don't prioritize men's mental and emotional health. Men are taught that all they bring to the table is an ability to provide and that if they can't provide to a certain level then they are less than.
And that's just wrong. Men need to be told they are validated and that being emotional and struggling is normal and acceptable. It does not make you less than.
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Before I answer, what is the reason for this question? I think you are basically just trying to exploit a male problem to push whatever narrative you have in mind, like what Aba and Preach talked about once in one of their videos. I don't think you're asking this question because you really want to know any answers, I think you're asking it because you want to broadcast to everyone, "Hey, look! Men kill themselves more than women!" while pretending you're just innocently asking. This is not a new thing. A lot of girls on the Internet have done this on a lot of different sites and I've seen it for ages. It's not new.
Now to answer: men are not 4 times more likely to commit suicide. Women actually attempt suicide way more often than men. But men die more from suicide because their methods are more full proof. Women attempting suicide don't use more full proof methods.
I told you before I used to research statistics and studied feminism. The two go hand-in-hand. You can always find any study you want about men that can or would support your narrative. It's not new.
Men and women have different lives and different value. Simple fact is one man and 99 women continue the species and 99 men 1 women end it. Just the facts. When artificial wombs become a thing sexual power will balance more and men will have a greater control of power but for now it’s all about women and their needs.
Moving beyond biology. Women control men. A thot online makes random men pay thousands to see a tit. Y’all allow this shit and wonder why they don’t respect you. They don’t have to anymore. The wives control 80% of household finances. Women are granted freedoms and privileges men don’t have. Tinder charges women $5\mo compared to men $15/mo, bars allow hot women in free for sales, women control even politics by controlling their men and themselves. Hyperbolic sure but let be honest the saying happy wife happy life didn’t come from nowhere. Would you rather be happy or right? Men are taught to just do as their wives ask and foolishly compromise the future for their marriage.
As you can see by man posters here women don’t value to the same degree what men do then put them down for wanting these things. Good sex is important for a healthy life otherwise prostate cancer risk is higher, hormones can go out of wack, and happiness levels go down but let’s not talk about this. Let’s not talk about men have to sign up for the draft to vote and women just have to show up. Let’s not talk about the accusation of rapes enough to ruin a man completely. Let’s not compare the unfairness of the family and divorce courts between men and women.
Sure there’s unfairness in everything effecting both sides but at least society PRETENDS to care about women. Men are just told to man up.
The reason middle aged men are most likely to kill themselves is because that’s the point in life where most of them are made miserable by their life situations.
The truth is that many men are made miserable by modern culture.
You’re a woman so maybe you don’t see things in the same way and might struggle to empathise, but many of these guys are working jobs they hate to provide for their families, and have been for years. Their wives often aren’t that into them and don’t respect them, the kids often don’t respect them either bevause they’re in the weird teenage stage and they’ve seen their mothers talk to their Dads like shit and it rubs off.
Many more men are in sexless marriages than people realise. But many, the good ones, don’t cheat, nor do they want to divorce. Even if they want to divorce she gets the house and kids and they lose everything they’ve tied their identity to.
The reason men are more likely to actually kill themselves vs women is because men know that nobody cares about the things that they actually care about. It’s easy to find people who care about men being open emotionally, but nobody gives a shit about the things they want to be emotionally open about. They don’t get or expect help because their experience has taught them that they’ll never get it, and they won’t.
Women will. When women commit suicide it can be a cry for help, which they’re more likely to get - for men what’s the point in a cry for help you’re not gonna get? When they decide to commit suicide they plan it in a way that ensures they end up dead.
Lots of reasons. Males don't have the support structure that females do. The mental health system is still very gynocentric in nature.
Males are taught by society from a very early age that they will be looked down upon for showing weakness. Little boys see that every day of their lives as they are growing up. This will never change until we as a society stop blaming men for it and start addressing the true reasons behind it.
Society in general shows far less compassion for men than it does for women. When a man is emotionally weak it is generally met with judgment and he is viewed as a failure whereas women who are emotionally weak are generally treated with much more compassion. Women are more often viewed as victims of circumstances and deserving of sympathy but men are more likely to be seen as being at fault for their problems.
The divorce rate is 50% and 70% of those divorces are filed by women. And we all know what happens to men in divorce court and child custody battles. Men in that position are essentially losing everything they care about and have worked for, which can be very difficult to come back from. Suicide can feel like the only way out.
Despite what our modern "egalitarian" society likes to claim, gender roles have not changed much for men. Men are still expected to be the primary earners and their value as human beings is largely judged by their ability to provide. When a man reaches middle age and his career isn't up to expectations, he is a low value man. That weights heavily on men and some don't handle it well.
These are just a few reasons. There are plenty more.
There's this unspoken and unquestionable belief that women have it worst in todays world. The reality of the male experience has been subject to a lot of "femsplaining" terms like toxic masculinity are thrown around and used to try and explain this phenomenon. Yet this explanation falls short of experiential reality.
Cultures that have a strong machismo structure such as US latin Americans do not have this same level of disproportionate suicide rates. So that answer simply is a false flag.
A more likely answer is probably the fact that in western culture males are essentially disposable. Men are left out of the family structure, are dismissed in family law, are considered the default aggressor in domestic violence (though many modern studies show that its as likely to be the woman) are more likely to be hurt or killed on the jobsite, are more likely to be homeless, have less access to social services, etc.
I think the biggest reasons are men typically don't have the kind of support that women have when it comes to mental health issues. I also think men were conditioned to talk about any issues they are having or showing real signs of weakness in general. I do feel that is something that had been improving, the message that it is okay to seek help if needed, and I hope it's something that will continue to improve and that men that are going through something to start to realize it isn't a sign of weakness to seek help or reach out.
Society. They've been told to be strong and rebuked if they cried from a young age. Toxic masculinity also plays a big part, because men who show their emotion are often viewed as ''not manly enough'' and feminine. I think men are scared about their feelings and things going inside of their heads, so sadly that leads to suicide because they see it as the only way of escape.
To all my guys/men out there, don't be scared to show your emotions or talk about your feelings! You have every right to cry or feel weak and if someone makes fun of you because of it, remember the problem is in them, not you!
I think it has to do with the amount of emotions withheld, trauma, and societal expectations that all build up over time until it pushes them to the limit. We can say that a guy's life is not fun at all. Honestly, we teach men to be more open with their feelings but when they do open up they are seen as weak and most people don't even end up caring about their emotions. Not to mention the world is already putting pressure on you that you need to be a certain kind of man. People only care about you if you provide something to them, it's never unconditional. Not to mention that stats show a lot more men are single and are not getting sex so now they are sexually deprived, (to relate back to dating). The more it builds up the more you start to think "is all of this worth it"
Leaving aside the competition which has always been there and will continue to be there. I think society has become more apathetic and isolationist. It's funny that the more we become connected through digital means, the more isolationist we become. A man can disclose his mental state and emotions, but no one is going to take him seriously. And the hardest day will be the day after you have made that disclosure, you are going to come off as weak.
Society is also changing; it is getting more consumerist, and family doesn't mean as much as it used to. Over half of the marriages end in divorce with about 70-80% of women filing for divorce. So, I would advise men to not get married and not get into the rat race. Lower your expectations, lower your necessities, and reject things that reject you, including society. Live for yourself.
In my psych class my professor said when mem make the decision to end their life they usually opt for a final act (i. e. a gun, jumping off of something) and women opt for something lengthy (hanging, cutting, overdosing). Women want to be saved or want help and men just want to die. That is what they said im not sure if I entirely agree with it. I do believe there is more stigma for men to seek psychiatric help than women and men have a tendency to not be 100% transparent with feelings. So when they do seek help its not as effective because they aren't being honest with themselves or the practitioners. It's a multifaceted issue and that's not even touching on the different types of pressure placed on men vs. women
I think men are weaker than women in a lot of different ways and I think by doing that they might consider themselves the man I don't know what is sad is that they do it before they even think about it before they even try to get help the other thing that I hate is when you will see it on here sometimes too when people are talking about it if they're going to do it that just pisses me off why bring all of us into it why bring me into it by letting me read that so I always feel that I need to say something I can't just stand there whether they're telling the truth or not it just pisses me all the way up I'd like to beat the shit out of whoever sometimes to say wake up grow up whatever your problem is it could be fixed
Miss subaru girl in my opinion the ultimate suicide prevention is real marriage and having faith in god...
Having faith in god always reminds us that death ain't the end and that there is an afterlife and committing suicide is a sin and no matter how depressed or no matter how much crisis we have, nothing remains the same, god will help us and change everything...
About a real marriage, well a married couple are a lot less suicidal because they have each other, take care of each other, vent to each other and ofc sex plays a big role in calming the anger and negativity in both the husband and wife, also they think about each other which prevents them feom suicide especially if they have kids!
That's why there is a man and a woman, love and marriage, the man prevents the woman from suicide and the woman prevents her man from suicide...
Real love is an ultimate weapon, believe it or not!
Hubris. Most men truly think they can handle everything alone. If they can't handle their problems alone then they feel less of a man; and when feeling less of a man how can he fulfill roles only men can fill: boyfriend/husband, brother, uncle, father. When feeling less of man how can he be seen as a good provider, leader, and protector.
Inadequacy is universal. Yet, most men who have a good women in their corner either feel their wife/girlfriend will think less of them or simply won't understand how they feel. Typically, it takes another man (best friend, bro, etc) to connect with them and pull them out the rut, or just another guy to notice and help guide them through these emotions.
Men are less likely to have a strong support system. Men typically don't have the kinds of close friendships where they can talk about their problems with their friends and usually don't have the same kind of strong bond with family that women do. For a lot of men, their entire support system is their girlfriend or wife. So if they are single, divorced, or their significant other is deceased, they often don't have anyone. Men also tend to use more violent means of suicided. Women will often try to overdose or slit their wrists, but these attempts often end in failure. Men are more likely to use guns, which have a higher success rate for suicide.
Iceland has been voted the top country for women 12 years in a row..
32 Icelandic men committed suicide in Iceland last year, against only 2 Icelandic women
That's 16 to one and that was pretty much a typical year.
Where I live the rate is 11 to one male/female double that for divorced men (but not divorced women )
So 22 to 1, as I'm white and middle aged that also increases my odds. Add in being raised by a single mother which some studies show double or even triple the rate and it's a wonder I'm here at all.
When suicide is common and has predictable and evitable results and group of victims, it can no longer be equated with mental illness or anything internal as it's clearly a result of external factors.
Men usually put themselves in a higher standard compared to everyone else, the guys want to feel needed but in doing sure if they risk their own lives.
Another reason why most men commit suicide is because today society back than most men just have to go to school, find work, and try looking for a woman who they can start a family with. But considering most women are super self-sufficient and doesn't require a man help that much I guess most men not me but others kinda suffering from a identity crisis.
Because there's no care for men. There's no point for a man to seek help when you know you're resources are very limited and not easily available and everyone else is just going to tell you to man up.
I tried for years to get into therapy but was always place on wait-lists until I finally tried to kill myself by jumping of a bridge and a male officer pulled me out of the water an took me to the hospital where I was given a therapist who told me that I was being put on wait-lists because I was male and none of those places saw me as a danger to myself even though I told them I was going to do what I did. A lot of other guys go through despair and they get zero help at all and this is why they kill themselves, females have resources for any problem in their lives and this is why female suicide rates aren't as high.
Who do guys turn to when we're at our lowest? No one, we're men, no one gives a shit.
If you tweet "#MenAreTrash" on twitter you trend, if you tweet "#WomenAreTrash" you are banned, exiled from society, and demonized.
Women tend to choose less fatal methods, and suicidal intent (ACTUAL desire to commit suicide) is far greater in males than females. Women and girls are pandered to, there is a WomensHealth. gov but no MensHealth. gov. There is a White House Council on Women and Girls but no White House Council on Men and Boys, the message is clear: "Men and Boys, your life doesn't matter, your issues don't matter, we don't love you. Only women and girls matter".
Women and girls don't face the draft, do they demand Men and Boys we released from it? Of course not, instead they shame Men and Boys who survive the draft with their "White Feather" campaigns. History is riddled with Women who turn a blind eye to the suffering of the men they pretend they "loved"
There’s a number of reasons. I think for one there’s real no resources for men in general as far as health. Not many homeless shelters for men compared to women, or for battered men. Men are laughed at by other men if they’re beaten up by their wife, kicked in the nuts, et. Women on the other hand have a number of resources to help. Men are taught to now show emotion because you’re supposed to he the man of the house who protects them even if it means not protecting yourself. Most men don’t know how to express their emotions because it’s been “shut off” since we were kids. Society also puts a lot of pressure on us as well as far as what a man should be just like it does w women.
Well crap. I just wrote a long response. Couldn’t post it. 1,600 words.
There are lots of variables. Mostly touched on by those commenting here. I can’t go into detail at this point. Just to say that over lived through so much. Attempted suicide once. Can’t imagine this at all after having my kids. If I were gone, then this world would have never gotten to experience my wonder kids. They have saved me as on many times. That thought keeps me going as I struggle to balance life, family, work and just everything.
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