There has over last 10 years been a lot of investigation as to why men are committing suicide at a higher rather than women.
it is not purely men use more lethal methods, in the UK and Europe there is not the same level of access to firearms.
women are far more likely to self harm than men, for example in Scotland twice and many women than men will self harm. women also tend to seek help or admit to their friends they are not coping etc, this can result in an early interception to put in place suicide prevention measures.
it’s also not just that women don’t take a more lethal approach to suicide, some do. However is women suicide an advance of self harm and still at times a shout for help? Obviously not all are and a lot are very lethal methods for checking out.
Being ex military I am not a stranger to friends or other military personal committing suicide.
the following are some good links that look at possible reasons.
my personal view is that men are more likely to have untreated depression than women and more likely to have some addiction, it then becomes a bit of a snake eating itself. Coupled to this is men (generalising) see it as a weakness in seeking help for mental health issues or even admitting that they have a problem.
also as said in the links below, guys are more likely to be impulsive, that ‘fuck it let’s just get on with it’ attitude which works great with a lot of real world challenges also comes into the ‘fuck it lets end it’ thing.
https://media.samaritans.org/documents/ResearchBriefingGenderSuicide_2021_v7.pdf
https://psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/ddc/c8cxpa/further/Dissertation_examples/Poynton-Smith_15.pdf
https://www.priorygroup.com/blog/why-are-suicides-so-high-amongst-men
With a guy not seeking help for his mental health issue, not able to talk to other guys about it, often living alone, not able to talk to his parents about it, let’s face it his older father is even more likely to view it as weak having depression.
He does not get treatment, he will now likely start getting suicide ideation, passive and active. That is a very big and real thing, it ties in very closely with male impulsiveness.
Suicide ideation is something that can live with you every day of the year for life, an example is when you are out driving, rather than looking at road, scenery. You look at the approaching HGV lorry and think ‘what if I just swap lanes and hit it head on’.
you don’t but the thought is there, it becomes a standard thought.
One of the articles also covers the lethality side of things and says how a suicide attempt is viewed as a feminine thing and therefore not masculine.
it is scary how many military people commit suicide every year.
Also let’s face it, a woman tying a knot in a rope or getting a hose for a car, you know she’s going to put it in the wrong hole or leave the windows open…(humour by the way).
not looked at the other opinions as I write this, however if anyone said firearms…. What about UK, Europe and other places with very limited access to firearms…
If you have any mental health issues, irrespective of Gender, Sexuality, Ethnicity, Age etc , THEN GO GET HELP, ADMIT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, TALK ABOUT IT, GET COUNSELLING.
When I was growing up I didn't think that there would be a woman within a hundred miles that wanted to even give me the time of day I told myself dozens of times every day that if I had 5 lb of pot in the middle of a woman's prison I still couldn't get laid... If you're not and arrogant mean guy then you're pretty harsh on yourself especially if you're a little shy and don't know how to talk to women and losing your hair I started losing my hair at the age of 18 by the time I was 23 I was slick on top and I thought I look like I survived a nuclear Holocaust in reality I was a pretty good looking man I didn't know this and my mentality at that time was wishing that I was dead hundreds of times everyday it is a thousand wonders that I did not follow through with those wishes I don't know when I stopped thinking like that one day I realized that I hadn't thought like that in sometime and that I actually feel good and wanted to live... Suicide being a permanent solution to a temporary problem is very stupid and if you read about the ones that have tried it and missed like the guy that went to shoot his head off of the shotgun and he pointed the shotgun just a little bit too far forward and blew his face off instead but live through it he said that the instant he pulled the trigger he wanted to live... As far as women committing suicide women cut their wrist or take pills and make sure that someone knows what they're doing because they really don't want to kill themselves they just want and need attention and love just like the rest of us but most of us are two scared to let anyone know what we're actually thinking that's my opinion I know it's probably too long and I should probably erase it before I hit this button but I'm not going to you're stuck with my answer
Because they're impulsive.
Women are known for their communities and within them they talk.
So scenarios are ore exhausted and then reviewed with the gal pals, daily weekly etc etc.
Unless the man's confident he's really willing himself to take the plunge so to speak.
And without a tribe he's kinda left to rebuff himself alone.
Ribbing can sometimes be funny but for others it's crushing.
We forget that men can be equally as sensitive.
I don't think if a guy talks he'll be an emotional wreak of a person, he just needs someone preferably a decent older man with some life experience to listen and guide.
Without that support they can lose their way.
We don't prioritize men's mental and emotional health. Men are taught that all they bring to the table is an ability to provide and that if they can't provide to a certain level then they are less than.
And that's just wrong. Men need to be told they are validated and that being emotional and struggling is normal and acceptable. It does not make you less than.
I have lost 3 friends from suicide, all of them went because of that.
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Before I answer, what is the reason for this question? I think you are basically just trying to exploit a male problem to push whatever narrative you have in mind, like what Aba and Preach talked about once in one of their videos. I don't think you're asking this question because you really want to know any answers, I think you're asking it because you want to broadcast to everyone, "Hey, look! Men kill themselves more than women!" while pretending you're just innocently asking. This is not a new thing. A lot of girls on the Internet have done this on a lot of different sites and I've seen it for ages. It's not new.
Now to answer: men are not 4 times more likely to commit suicide. Women actually attempt suicide way more often than men. But men die more from suicide because their methods are more full proof. Women attempting suicide don't use more full proof methods.
I told you before I used to research statistics and studied feminism. The two go hand-in-hand. You can always find any study you want about men that can or would support your narrative. It's not new.
I don’t see how bringing awareness to an issue that effects both genders and asking what people think about that is a problem. Yes women are more likely to attempt suicide which I did include. This isn’t a men vs women issue, it’s a people issue.
@Subarugirl No it isn't. Because if it was you would've asked something more on the lines of "Why do men commit suicide more but women attempt it more?" or "Why do women attempt suicide so much but men die from it more?"
You aren't enlightening anybody to anything that most people didn't already know. You're simply repeating facts just to say guys are killing themselves, and looking for people who will answer with something that would make men appear weaker or pathetic because it is an issue. Like I said, I've seen girls post stuff like this for years under the guise of just innocent inquiry. Hell, tomorrow you'll probably ask a question about why men rape more than women because it's in the books.
So are you angry that I brought it up or that men are disproportionately effect by suicide. I’m not trying to enlighten anyone, I want to know why people think that is. It’s a symptom of a bigger issue that I don’t think people really think about. I am sure that you have seen people do what you are describing, and I can see that you are upset about it, but just to set the record straight that is not what I am doing.
@Subarugirl I'm not angry that you brought it up, or that it even affects men more than women, because everyone already knows about it, and if they didn't they're clearly living in a box. Men murder more than women, you could talk about that too and it wouldn't upset me. Everyone already knows that.
We can talk about any issue, but I think what's flabbergasting is that you're pretending you're not asking it just to broadcast it as a way to exploit that it is a problem that is larger on men than women.
I wasn’t trying to exploit anything other than how an issue that disproportionately affects half of the population because their need aren’t being met and the reason why isn’t being addresses as well as it should. I would be more upset by that fact that men’s needs, and issues that disproportionately affect them aren’t being addressed like they should. I would think that you would appreciate that being addressed.
@Subarugirl So here is what I will tell you: why are men killing themselves more than women? It's not even because of the emotional pain. It's because no one is taking the emotional pain seriously. People love to say that men don't open up and talk about their feelings - wrong. Men are talking about their problems every day! But what's happening? People would rather just think of him as a pussy because his heart is utterly sick from a breakup - especially if it was from a cheater. People would rather tell him he just needs to be stronger with whatever he's going through.
Even women will minimize a man's difficulties and think he shouldn't be complaining about whatever is going on. And of course people would rather say a guy is bitter, an "incel," etc. for expressing what he feels or thinks about women instead of trying to understand why he thinks that or even just acknowledging that there is truth in it. Hell, even I don't like all those MGTOW and Red Pill guys out there but they do say some truthful things at times. Meanwhile a bitch is crying to the world about getting ghosted on a date or how a guy cheated on her, and we all hand her tissues, even though she's done the same things to guys.
Men are experiencing so many different issues an unfair angle at how people regard them, that they feel sad and alone. And when their lives go on and on like this with nobody showing any kind of empathy or help, they just give up.
Exactly, and that is wrong.
100% agree with @ManOnFire here. Men are told the politically correct thing by women that it's ok to cry or show your feelings, but in reality women will then flip it back on him calling such men pussies, telling them to stop whining and be a man, man up, who hurt you, etc. Men have feelings like women, but are shamed for expressing them. Even in a relationship, if a man shows his feelings or expresses them, he's seen as weak or needy, many women will break up with a guy who tells her he loves her or he needs her in his life because they see that as undesirable and clingy. Men have nowhere to turn for help.
@ManOnFire thank you
Men and women have different lives and different value. Simple fact is one man and 99 women continue the species and 99 men 1 women end it. Just the facts. When artificial wombs become a thing sexual power will balance more and men will have a greater control of power but for now it’s all about women and their needs.
Moving beyond biology. Women control men. A thot online makes random men pay thousands to see a tit. Y’all allow this shit and wonder why they don’t respect you. They don’t have to anymore. The wives control 80% of household finances. Women are granted freedoms and privileges men don’t have. Tinder charges women $5\mo compared to men $15/mo, bars allow hot women in free for sales, women control even politics by controlling their men and themselves. Hyperbolic sure but let be honest the saying happy wife happy life didn’t come from nowhere. Would you rather be happy or right? Men are taught to just do as their wives ask and foolishly compromise the future for their marriage.
As you can see by man posters here women don’t value to the same degree what men do then put them down for wanting these things. Good sex is important for a healthy life otherwise prostate cancer risk is higher, hormones can go out of wack, and happiness levels go down but let’s not talk about this. Let’s not talk about men have to sign up for the draft to vote and women just have to show up. Let’s not talk about the accusation of rapes enough to ruin a man completely. Let’s not compare the unfairness of the family and divorce courts between men and women.
Sure there’s unfairness in everything effecting both sides but at least society PRETENDS to care about women. Men are just told to man up.
The reason middle aged men are most likely to kill themselves is because that’s the point in life where most of them are made miserable by their life situations.
The truth is that many men are made miserable by modern culture.
You’re a woman so maybe you don’t see things in the same way and might struggle to empathise, but many of these guys are working jobs they hate to provide for their families, and have been for years. Their wives often aren’t that into them and don’t respect them, the kids often don’t respect them either bevause they’re in the weird teenage stage and they’ve seen their mothers talk to their Dads like shit and it rubs off.
Many more men are in sexless marriages than people realise. But many, the good ones, don’t cheat, nor do they want to divorce. Even if they want to divorce she gets the house and kids and they lose everything they’ve tied their identity to.
The reason men are more likely to actually kill themselves vs women is because men know that nobody cares about the things that they actually care about. It’s easy to find people who care about men being open emotionally, but nobody gives a shit about the things they want to be emotionally open about. They don’t get or expect help because their experience has taught them that they’ll never get it, and they won’t.
Women will. When women commit suicide it can be a cry for help, which they’re more likely to get - for men what’s the point in a cry for help you’re not gonna get? When they decide to commit suicide they plan it in a way that ensures they end up dead.
What does being in a sexless marriage have to do with suicide?
@itsgonnabemee
That’s most men’s worst nightmare.
That’s kinda pathetic isn’t it? Humans can live without sex. His worst nightmare should be not having a roof over his head, no food on the table etc
@itsgonnabemee
People get depressed and miserable over all kinds of stuff, while others have it much worse elsewhere. It’s just the way people’s minds work.
@itsgonnabeme… did… did you just call a reason men kill themselves pathetic? What if I called your concern over rape pathetic? Your desire for children? What about anything you find great joy in? Women like you are the reason men check out… but honey. I don’t support suicide I’ll kill you before I kill myself because of you so please. Go die.
@VanillaSalt killing yourself because you can’t engage in carnal pleasure is sad to me. can’t imagine how not having sex would cause so much pain and anguish that you would have to kill yourself. If that’s the case, then there is something else going on with that person. It’s like that story of the guy who killed himself because he’s a virgin. He obviously had other issues.
I’m not the reason for anything. Every sane person is in control of their actions. No one can make anyone do anything. Women like me huh? Always blaming women. Your definitely pathetic. No I won’t die. Also, is that a threat? You seem mentally unstable
Call me what you want idc. What right do YOU have to judge the things people find important? The minute you judged our value as less respectable then yours anything you had to say lost all credit ability.
Again your the problem die please.
Lots of reasons. Males don't have the support structure that females do. The mental health system is still very gynocentric in nature.
Males are taught by society from a very early age that they will be looked down upon for showing weakness. Little boys see that every day of their lives as they are growing up. This will never change until we as a society stop blaming men for it and start addressing the true reasons behind it.
Society in general shows far less compassion for men than it does for women. When a man is emotionally weak it is generally met with judgment and he is viewed as a failure whereas women who are emotionally weak are generally treated with much more compassion. Women are more often viewed as victims of circumstances and deserving of sympathy but men are more likely to be seen as being at fault for their problems.
The divorce rate is 50% and 70% of those divorces are filed by women. And we all know what happens to men in divorce court and child custody battles. Men in that position are essentially losing everything they care about and have worked for, which can be very difficult to come back from. Suicide can feel like the only way out.
Despite what our modern "egalitarian" society likes to claim, gender roles have not changed much for men. Men are still expected to be the primary earners and their value as human beings is largely judged by their ability to provide. When a man reaches middle age and his career isn't up to expectations, he is a low value man. That weights heavily on men and some don't handle it well.
These are just a few reasons. There are plenty more.
There's this unspoken and unquestionable belief that women have it worst in todays world. The reality of the male experience has been subject to a lot of "femsplaining" terms like toxic masculinity are thrown around and used to try and explain this phenomenon. Yet this explanation falls short of experiential reality.
Cultures that have a strong machismo structure such as US latin Americans do not have this same level of disproportionate suicide rates. So that answer simply is a false flag.
A more likely answer is probably the fact that in western culture males are essentially disposable. Men are left out of the family structure, are dismissed in family law, are considered the default aggressor in domestic violence (though many modern studies show that its as likely to be the woman) are more likely to be hurt or killed on the jobsite, are more likely to be homeless, have less access to social services, etc.
I think the biggest reasons are men typically don't have the kind of support that women have when it comes to mental health issues. I also think men were conditioned to talk about any issues they are having or showing real signs of weakness in general. I do feel that is something that had been improving, the message that it is okay to seek help if needed, and I hope it's something that will continue to improve and that men that are going through something to start to realize it isn't a sign of weakness to seek help or reach out.
Society. They've been told to be strong and rebuked if they cried from a young age. Toxic masculinity also plays a big part, because men who show their emotion are often viewed as ''not manly enough'' and feminine. I think men are scared about their feelings and things going inside of their heads, so sadly that leads to suicide because they see it as the only way of escape.
To all my guys/men out there, don't be scared to show your emotions or talk about your feelings! You have every right to cry or feel weak and if someone makes fun of you because of it, remember the problem is in them, not you!
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Missing the 'e', if put e in there is SOCIETY
Nice sentiment but things don’t work that way in western society. As a man if you fail to find your value you have none. Society will judge you as worthless. Also no one will care as there are no services for failed men. Women will especially reject this male This is the importance of fathers, men teach boys to become men. This is a job a female cannot do. In this society we increasingly see adult males who are not men who have been raised by a woman. This leads to subordinate males. As for toxic masculinity there is no such thing that is feminist driven social construct. There is only masculinity which must be trained from boyhood. In order to make a man.
Also the biggest reason men commit suicide is they run afoul of a women and a biased court system. They are stripped of their possessions and children and likely 50 to 75 % of their future wages. Essentially enslaving the man to the female who in all likely hood initiated the divorce. It’s a losing proposition some men opt out with a bullet.
Also there is a significant number of men who are elderly and their wife passed they feel lost and lonely as she may have been with them for 40 or 50 years or more. These generally lose their will to live and end it so they can be with their deceased spouse. When a man truly bonds to his women he can be lost without her.
@AncientWisdom
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I think it has to do with the amount of emotions withheld, trauma, and societal expectations that all build up over time until it pushes them to the limit. We can say that a guy's life is not fun at all. Honestly, we teach men to be more open with their feelings but when they do open up they are seen as weak and most people don't even end up caring about their emotions. Not to mention the world is already putting pressure on you that you need to be a certain kind of man. People only care about you if you provide something to them, it's never unconditional. Not to mention that stats show a lot more men are single and are not getting sex so now they are sexually deprived, (to relate back to dating). The more it builds up the more you start to think "is all of this worth it"
Leaving aside the competition which has always been there and will continue to be there. I think society has become more apathetic and isolationist. It's funny that the more we become connected through digital means, the more isolationist we become. A man can disclose his mental state and emotions, but no one is going to take him seriously. And the hardest day will be the day after you have made that disclosure, you are going to come off as weak.
Society is also changing; it is getting more consumerist, and family doesn't mean as much as it used to. Over half of the marriages end in divorce with about 70-80% of women filing for divorce. So, I would advise men to not get married and not get into the rat race. Lower your expectations, lower your necessities, and reject things that reject you, including society. Live for yourself.
In my psych class my professor said when mem make the decision to end their life they usually opt for a final act (i. e. a gun, jumping off of something) and women opt for something lengthy (hanging, cutting, overdosing). Women want to be saved or want help and men just want to die. That is what they said im not sure if I entirely agree with it. I do believe there is more stigma for men to seek psychiatric help than women and men have a tendency to not be 100% transparent with feelings. So when they do seek help its not as effective because they aren't being honest with themselves or the practitioners. It's a multifaceted issue and that's not even touching on the different types of pressure placed on men vs. women
I think men are weaker than women in a lot of different ways and I think by doing that they might consider themselves the man I don't know what is sad is that they do it before they even think about it before they even try to get help the other thing that I hate is when you will see it on here sometimes too when people are talking about it if they're going to do it that just pisses me off why bring all of us into it why bring me into it by letting me read that so I always feel that I need to say something I can't just stand there whether they're telling the truth or not it just pisses me all the way up I'd like to beat the shit out of whoever sometimes to say wake up grow up whatever your problem is it could be fixed
Miss subaru girl in my opinion the ultimate suicide prevention is real marriage and having faith in god...
Having faith in god always reminds us that death ain't the end and that there is an afterlife and committing suicide is a sin and no matter how depressed or no matter how much crisis we have, nothing remains the same, god will help us and change everything...
About a real marriage, well a married couple are a lot less suicidal because they have each other, take care of each other, vent to each other and ofc sex plays a big role in calming the anger and negativity in both the husband and wife, also they think about each other which prevents them feom suicide especially if they have kids!
That's why there is a man and a woman, love and marriage, the man prevents the woman from suicide and the woman prevents her man from suicide...
Real love is an ultimate weapon, believe it or not!
It’s not fair to make your spouse responsible for your mental health. That isn’t their responsibility any more than being responsible for your physical health. Should they be supportive? absolutely. but responsible, no.
I'm not saying that the spouse is responsible because they didn't bring itnto their other half, what i'm saying is being supportive and helping the spouse as much as he/she can until they recover...
A spouse plays a big role in eliminating the negative mentality in their other half but to say that the spouse is the cause of it, ofc not!
In our lives we might get sick or pass in some mental breakdown or fall in crisis, what matters is that the husband and wife will support each other till the end and will get out of everything bad together, because if i was married and my wife had a problem than her problem will be my problem too and if i had a problem, it will be her problem too because a husband and a wife are one, there is no you and me...
Hubris. Most men truly think they can handle everything alone. If they can't handle their problems alone then they feel less of a man; and when feeling less of a man how can he fulfill roles only men can fill: boyfriend/husband, brother, uncle, father. When feeling less of man how can he be seen as a good provider, leader, and protector.
Inadequacy is universal. Yet, most men who have a good women in their corner either feel their wife/girlfriend will think less of them or simply won't understand how they feel. Typically, it takes another man (best friend, bro, etc) to connect with them and pull them out the rut, or just another guy to notice and help guide them through these emotions.
It's not thinking we can, most often it's we must. As we have nobody to turn to and are expected to be men.
Your last para just want to say be aise they do
Men are less likely to have a strong support system. Men typically don't have the kinds of close friendships where they can talk about their problems with their friends and usually don't have the same kind of strong bond with family that women do. For a lot of men, their entire support system is their girlfriend or wife. So if they are single, divorced, or their significant other is deceased, they often don't have anyone. Men also tend to use more violent means of suicided. Women will often try to overdose or slit their wrists, but these attempts often end in failure. Men are more likely to use guns, which have a higher success rate for suicide.
Iceland has been voted the top country for women 12 years in a row..
32 Icelandic men committed suicide in Iceland last year, against only 2 Icelandic women
That's 16 to one and that was pretty much a typical year.
Where I live the rate is 11 to one male/female double that for divorced men (but not divorced women )
So 22 to 1, as I'm white and middle aged that also increases my odds. Add in being raised by a single mother which some studies show double or even triple the rate and it's a wonder I'm here at all.
When suicide is common and has predictable and evitable results and group of victims, it can no longer be equated with mental illness or anything internal as it's clearly a result of external factors.
Men usually put themselves in a higher standard compared to everyone else, the guys want to feel needed but in doing sure if they risk their own lives.
Another reason why most men commit suicide is because today society back than most men just have to go to school, find work, and try looking for a woman who they can start a family with. But considering most women are super self-sufficient and doesn't require a man help that much I guess most men not me but others kinda suffering from a identity crisis.
Are you just saying that men in general have a fragile ego and men need women while women don't need men these days?
Unfortunately quite a lot of men do suffer from an ego problem but I definitely don't think of all of us do. If there isn't any fragile men than why do we have MGTOW or some shit like that.
While there are quite a few traditional women who are now pissed off because they need to work now and not leech on men to have money. So basically both genders have their fair shared of ego maniac.
@FinalFantasyBro I completely disagree with you because all of your claims are false.
Women also have this toxic feminism thing. And there are a lot more women who follow feminism than there are men who follow MGTOW. So there you go!
And no, once again, there are a lot more women who depend on men for their financial needs than men who need to depend on women.
You have valid point, but at the end of the day we all need each other in one way or another
Exactly! One gender is better than the other us men need women and you women need us men! Both genders should be an equal partnership.
You meant isn’t better then the other right?
@OneManOnly01 whatever keeps you sleep at night and is women following feminism a good thing for both gender, now women isn't forced to depend on men while men doesn't have to be the primary breadwinner anymore. I also think a two income family tend to be way more useful compare to a one income family.
@FinalFantasyBro So you're saying that it's okay for women to be toxic and put men down just because it gives them more opportunities?
@FinalFantasyBro And I also know exactly why you are so into worshipping women. Your questions about men wearing kimonos and dresses and women representing bodybuilding.
You like to be overpowered by women as part of your sexual pleasure and therefore you prefer women to have power in the society.
I know you'll deny it but dude some things are just self explanatory
@OneManOnly01 Haha! You think I am attracted to women bodybuilders and want a woman to dominate me you clearly don't know jack shit about me. 😂 But still if you really want to believe about the destruction of men like some paranoid manchild be my guess man. And fyi, only the obnoxious feminazi sort of people is only a small amout.
Yes, that what I mean
@FinalFantasyBro Like I already said, you'll deny. I'm not judging you for your kinks. Everyone has their own.
But the thing is that you like a woman dominated society because that would make things 'sexier' for you and you'll have an easier time finding women and getting yourself dominated by them
Because there's no care for men. There's no point for a man to seek help when you know you're resources are very limited and not easily available and everyone else is just going to tell you to man up.
I tried for years to get into therapy but was always place on wait-lists until I finally tried to kill myself by jumping of a bridge and a male officer pulled me out of the water an took me to the hospital where I was given a therapist who told me that I was being put on wait-lists because I was male and none of those places saw me as a danger to myself even though I told them I was going to do what I did. A lot of other guys go through despair and they get zero help at all and this is why they kill themselves, females have resources for any problem in their lives and this is why female suicide rates aren't as high.
Who do guys turn to when we're at our lowest? No one, we're men, no one gives a shit.
If you tweet "#MenAreTrash" on twitter you trend, if you tweet "#WomenAreTrash" you are banned, exiled from society, and demonized.
Women tend to choose less fatal methods, and suicidal intent (ACTUAL desire to commit suicide) is far greater in males than females. Women and girls are pandered to, there is a WomensHealth. gov but no MensHealth. gov. There is a White House Council on Women and Girls but no White House Council on Men and Boys, the message is clear: "Men and Boys, your life doesn't matter, your issues don't matter, we don't love you. Only women and girls matter".
Women and girls don't face the draft, do they demand Men and Boys we released from it? Of course not, instead they shame Men and Boys who survive the draft with their "White Feather" campaigns. History is riddled with Women who turn a blind eye to the suffering of the men they pretend they "loved"
There’s a number of reasons. I think for one there’s real no resources for men in general as far as health. Not many homeless shelters for men compared to women, or for battered men. Men are laughed at by other men if they’re beaten up by their wife, kicked in the nuts, et. Women on the other hand have a number of resources to help. Men are taught to now show emotion because you’re supposed to he the man of the house who protects them even if it means not protecting yourself. Most men don’t know how to express their emotions because it’s been “shut off” since we were kids. Society also puts a lot of pressure on us as well as far as what a man should be just like it does w women.
Well crap. I just wrote a long response. Couldn’t post it. 1,600 words.
There are lots of variables. Mostly touched on by those commenting here. I can’t go into detail at this point. Just to say that over lived through so much. Attempted suicide once. Can’t imagine this at all after having my kids. If I were gone, then this world would have never gotten to experience my wonder kids. They have saved me as on many times. That thought keeps me going as I struggle to balance life, family, work and just everything.
Social pressures, social idealisms, financial stress, horrible romance life, a string of horrible traumas & circumstances. Many of these things cause stress and in a society that doesn't want to hear about it or care, you feel like there is nowhere to turn that will be there, no way out of what seems like a living hell. Most men don't reach out because they feel they can't and a great deal of the time, many are not able to without someone wanting something in return. Finding people who will be there when you just want someone to be there is insanely rare, because most tend to run away from any slight awkwardness or inconvenience ( this is also true in romance/dating)
I agree with that other post. Toxic masculinity is the biggest reason. When I cried in front of girls, they all gave me looks of disgust and annoyance. Then after that, I stopped showing my emotions to any girls. I cut them off. As men, we are told to keep our feelings to ourselves. And weakness is considered being emotional as a guy.
Also, girls. I know a lot of guys who tried to commit suicide because of women in their lives.
I just read an article in psychology today. It said two things.
Most mental health issues are the result of trama. .
Men's number one cause of
trama outside combat was issues with women and relationships with them.
Again , only combat caused more traumatic mental injury to men than women.
Men and boys are given conflicting messages about how to handle their challenges. They are disingenuously told to talk about their problems more, but are also told to shut the fuck up and quit whining when they do talk about them. The fact is that when men talk about their problems, no one takes it seriously. In psychology it's known as a double bind. This article does a good job of explaining the problem.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201906/the-men-s-mental-health-double-bind
When women talk about their problems, they are supported by society, the mental health system and feminism. When men talk about their problem, this is what they get.
A women at work had that cup. My boss an 77 year old Jesuit would gag when she was drinking from it. One day a contractor started to laugh at it and she asked so I told her what "Male tears" meant and she turned white and threw the cup away..
Because men are raised to believe that expressing their emotions is bad and many people reinforce that idea by reacting badly to male emotions.
They are left to deal with these emotions strictly internally. This can drive any person to suicide eventually.
Men deserve better than that.
They deserve to be treated like humans who experience human emotions.
See a man crying? Give him a hug, not words.
Because guys are also more likely to be socially awkward and to be an outsider. Guys often times under estimate a problem and they are less likely to ask for help because they may not know how and where but also they don't trust the other person to help.
Guys often times solve problems alone therefore no ones our problems.
But because some guys fail many times again and again they give up on life and make the decision to go through with it.
Women seldom attempt to commit suicide and fail. Instead, they are seeking attention by making it appear they attempted suicide. They don't take a deadly poison when they know no one will find them until long after they are dead. Instead, they take pills when they know, someone will find them in time to save them.
Why do you believe that?
Because no one is listening. The issues surrounding men's mental health contains several conversations that are so heavily politicised and uncomfortable people don't want to face them.
It's easier just to write it all off as "men can't express their feelings very well" or "if society let men cry everything would be better".
Because the society is so hard on men when it comes to expressing their feelings.
If a man cries they call him weak
They act like men are machines not humans with heart and feelings
Men are considered weak if they talk about their feelings. They are shamed by society. Women claim they want guys who are in touch with their feelings and not afraid to communicate them; but when they do, they are considered weak and not a real man anymore.
this is a self explanatory question
because people in general expects us to be real life Superman. they want us to be strong as steel and succeed in every expectations they put on us and if we failed at anything then its the scorn/ridicule hammer for us. and if we try to remind everyone that we are just as humans as everyone else then its the "man up and suck it up" hammer.
Bc we are the ones that has to be the rock for everyone any sort of weakness we are considered weak and are pussies if we do have a problem no one really cares so how are we suppose to talk to anyone when pretty much no one cares. how do most men vent most either will turn to alcohol or drugs just to have a moment of peace and blur reality for that moment or drugs and some will hit objects etc. for me i hold everything in bc im the one that everyone turns to fix everything.
Once saw a video of a guy who lost his job, girlfriend and everyone else left him, while life streaming he just sat down on his chair and said "Well then society pushed be to this, good bye" took out a shotgun and shot himself in the head.
Western society is pretty harsh on men. While women get away with everything, we always have to be strong confident, provide, do all physical works, let us being taken advantage of by feminist society. Men's feelings are expendable to society
Great take, simply the truth without embellishment.
m man can be way way way more impulsive... and actually commit it, they go full way, not half way through with it
It depends on a lot of things, the enviroment, how you grow up, who were you parents, your friends. but as someone that almost take that choice, i have to say, for me it was more what they would be expecting from me, the stress, society, every action you take can become a consecuence, and if you are not prepared for how they respond, your world goes down the toilet. But to answer your question , honestly i don't know, is more of perspective if you try too see it, in reddit there are communities that helps those who think about suicide, go look at it, maybe you will find you answer
A man , in most cases , is on his own in life. Men do not have the typically strong support networks that women tend to have. Also both genders view women in a far morte positive light than men. In Western countries there is a default anti male attitude , know this full well as a single dad.
The answer I got from a psych was women attempt it more. Because they can. And people will feel empathy and sympathy for them.
And that men choose the nos5 violent means of ending themselves. Shot gun to a head, driving a car into a wall est.
The idea is to destroy themselves.
Really your going down a long rabbit hole asking questions like this and it won't come out how you expect
Their is no evidence for women attempting it more that's impossible to know but women certainly do it for attention more often.
Yes it's impossible to know that most attempts go completely unnoticed.
Wrong answers only:
Men more often have the balls to do it.
- Speaking of balls, we're the, "biologically" inferior gender - that one kills me.
Middle-aged frustration goes a long way.
Dealing with women/wives/EX-es and child support, man-hater court... etc.
Brain chemistry, drug addictions, and ruthless searching for alternatives to dealing with things.
The macho-istic pride to think, "I'm not that weak..."
Women often take less lethal methods like pills while men just blow their brains out
We try to be effective in everything we do
Because of toxic feminazis portraying men as evil. This has caused a massive bias in our society. Everyone likes to 'help' women. Everyone likes to be the 'white knight'. But not all of those people would stick around for other men.
Now I'll give you some research backed facts. Women like other women more than men like other men.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/dec04/women
And people in general are more likely to risk themselves to help a women than to risk themselves to help a man
www.newstatesman.com/.../are-you-more-likely-put-yourself-risk-help-woman-help-man
Our society just simply shows more empathy and kindness toward women. This makes life hard for men
You’re right and that stigma should be changed, it’s not right
i dunno, iv never considered suicide even tho i have no desire to live and lazy asf, but thats not something il ever think about, unless i eventually become bored of living, but anyway, i dont know i dont think suicide has anything to do with gender... but men are more likely to go through with it probably cos we have balls
If a woman wants to die bad enough she can do it. Those that fail weren't really wanting to die, just get attention.
I was thinking something along these lines. Maybe not every single case, but it's pretty obvious if you really want to die, you don't make a half-ass attempt and call someone to come rescue you as you or before you do it. It's all about the method.
Guys usually use a gun or jump off a bridge so it is pretty much a one way trip. Women overdose on pills so there is more instances where they are found before they are dead or they do not take enough of the pills.
Women don't want their faces messed up so don't shoot their self often. This one did using a.308 hunting rifle under her chin and survived.
https://youtu.be/3VHTquIQBBo
Well some people do that when they are not thinking straight. She was in a rage and was killing herself over some loser guy. She turned out to be the one who lost.
In two words...
"Man up"
Men think they are weak if they seek help or show emotions. So they bottle up everything and never deal with it. One day it's to much to endure.
Funny thing is the biggest judgement and pressure for this comes from other men. Not women.
I think overall, the majority of women are happier in general compared to men. But I've heard that guys have a much higher "success" rate with it also, and I don't doubt that. A guy will make sure it's done right lol. Example if a woman is going to OD on pills, maybe takes 5 for example, a guy will take the entire bottle and make sure he's done for LOL
Because the male is serious about it. While the females who fail didn’t really fail they got the attention they sought. The goal for the women wasn’t death if she failed , for life is fragile and easily ended.
some of us (will stress SOME) dont have an outlet, dont have someone to love them, have a shitty family life and marriage, mentally, psychologically and emotionally abused at work, or even on here by cyberbullies *wink*, jobs failing, girlfriend / wife not giving them enough credit, money woes. It all adds up..
Men are just.. in general.. less likely to seek help. It’s unfortunate but they tend to be more stubborn and brush off any kind of mental help.
Such a very wrong statement. We seek help but there is never readily available help for men, we get waitlisted because we are men and not seen as in much distress that we need immediate care.
I would think men holding things in, and not talking about it with others is a big reason why
Because they’re taught to not let out their emotions or to toughen up since a young age. Therefore, they end up holding everything inside.
Men tend to go ahead and do it, instead of reaching out for help, because they find it difficult to talk about the things that bother them.
What help do men have? Women have tons of programs if they are hungry or homeless but men have almost none.
@VanillaSalt that's exactly it, I was going from one therapist office to the next and at each one I was put on a waiting list after waiting list, watching female after female getting appointments booked on the spot. It took me jumping of a bridge and being taken to the hospital where I was appointed a therapist. There was no help for me until I did something drastic and that's what it's like for most men out there.
Most females on here are making the wrong assumptions about why men commit suicide more often because they don't know what it's like for guys because they can get whatever help they need, whereas for guys you can only seek out help and get turned away so many times before you choose the only option left.
I've never found it difficult , because I did express myself I know what to expect and it isn't good!!
You can tell men that the sky is orange and the Moon is cheese but we live in this world and a lifetime of experience says that men who express emotions are looked down on by men and ostracized by women.
A man is more likely to be eaten by a polar bear at a five star restaurant than get help from anyone.
Geez I wonder
Too bad that doesn’t include the full picture, like rape and sexual assault statistic, medical malpractice, and harassment.
I it's because men are usually expected to be tough and not show emotion, expressions like "Be a man" imply that anything that shows any form vulnerability is not manly
Loneliness. Single women won't know what true loneliness feels like for men.
Also those fake bots on social media that keeps sending you their affiliate or some crypto links. Pretty good reason to kill yourself.
It's the way we're socialized. Men are supposed to be strong, so we're less likely to get help as a result of not wanting to appear weak. On top of that, we have a tendency to use more violent and effective methods.
Because society expects men to basically be demi-Gods. Look at dating sites, women's demands of men are insane. We're expected to shoulder most responsibilities and not be vulnerable but strong, always.
Because boys are taught that men are the wage earners, protectors of women and the providers!
With all those responsibilities, who wouldn’t be overwhelmed!
To answer your question. I have no idea!
They fail to get proper mental health treatment, I have been under mental health treatment since age 21 and on many medications
People are four times less likely to care how they are doing.😟😢😓😔😞
If that were true why is there so much literature, research and effort going into addressing the issue?
Men commiting suicide, or suicide?
Because the current society is telling them they're worthless. That they should be ashamed of being a man for the "historic oppression" enacted by those who also had a penis (which is a uninformed argument at best and a deliberate lie at worst).
Men think very impulsively so most of them start doing it and don't stop. Women don't think that way so they are more likely to stop and not follow through
I don’t think that is true
If that were true why are women 2 times more likely to have a failed attempt.
I think that you meant to say less impulsive and violent. I’ve seen plenty of women act impulsively and violently. And while lots of women are depressed men are less likely to be diagnosed with the same issue
@Apple1996 Believe it or not, it takes a man a long time to make the decision that he wants to kill himself. It generally is not something he decided overnight out of anger. Suicide victims have usually been thinking about it for quite some time. They endure whatever pain they're experiencing for more than most of us really realize, and something has to make them finally take the leap to do it.
Women are the impulsive ones about it. They attempt suicide at far greater rates than men do because of momentary feelings of deep sadness, or because they're doing it as a 'cry for help' or some kind of attention from people. Which is why they die from their attempts less often than men.
@ManOnFire yeah I get that. I don't think it's impulsive in that way since it is usually planned out. It's more impulsive in the manner of how the act is carried out
@Apple1996 Which is why I said women. Popping pills or slitting wrists is nowhere near guaranteed, and are often done out of emotional impulse just so they can end up in the hospital and get help from people.
@ManOnFire you do know women tend to self harm like cut because they're taught to hold angry in and not show it like men do. It's not a cry for attention it's purely cause they can't go around being angry like men do
As someone who used to selfharm I can assure that it is generally an impulsive act.
here is a good 20 full page comprehensive study on the matter... which points out the difference between genders and the factor about being impulsive and the follow-through factor as well
psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/.../...on-Smith_15.pdf
Exactly and that is a good example of how people react differently to times of crisis. Saying that the reason men commit suicide at a higher rate is because they are more impulsive is inaccurate. According to this article, planned suicide attempts are more lethal than impulsive suicides. So it would start to reason that women are more impulsive with their suicide attempts which is why they are 2 times less likely die from an attempt.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4965648/
@Apple1996 "you do know women tend to self harm like cut because they're taught to hold angry in and not show it like men do." - I don't think that's true. I've never known a girl cutter who did that as a way to hold angry in. Cutters aren't always cutting their wrists either, and usually aren't the women who attempt suicide.
"Men are impulsive and want to get it over with that's why they follow through more" - They do want to get it over with, but not before they've had to put up with their own pain for long enough. That still is not impulsive.
@Subarugirl men usually go with different impulsive methods... which is fire guns and hanging, and it can take less than five minutes to die... this is "being impulsive without deliberation"
while women usually go for different methods like pill overdosing and cutting wrist, which is also impulsive yes, however... it's a lot less lethal
the impulsive behaviour in men is more likely for me to actually go through with and end up dead, yes or yes...
@ManOnFire Agreed - Men usually go that way when they've reached their limit - So it's really planned out over and over again how everything is gonna go down - It's more a type of logical helplessness that leads them there in which they see it as the best most practical solution - I think in the case of women - as you said - it's more of an emotional quicker decision that they don't really want to do as well as the solution being needing more help..
@jaybee281 Precisely. See? @Apple1996 @Subarugirl this is what I was saying: men are speaking their minds every day but women choose not to listen and don't really want to know what we think or how we feel.
@ManOnFire that is not true at all. Woman have a lot of empathy towards men when they speak about their feelings. The men in my life that I've know with depression have all gotten treatment for it because they've had women help and support them. It's seems to only be a issue when a man goes to another man for help
@ManOnFire well this is not true at all... not in general
women have listened to me and genuinely cared for me... for almost 20 years now
same with my two brothers, my best friends, my father... and many other
just because you have lead a shitty life for yourself, does not mean everyone else has it the same
You aren't the brightest.
Many men have standards to live up to or else we face being single all our lives, broke and invisible. Apple what you don't understand is that when a male hits a dead end in life there is no happy ending and no safety net for us. In the real world life is harsh unfair and brutal.
For some guys suicide is the best option because nobody helps men and life ain't no candy land of happy dreams.
@Amouranth_ thing is you and @ManOnFire are not actual men... you're just online whiny mitches
@NathanDavis , Nathan is one of those guys lacking empathy that never had hardships so he thinks every dude has it easy. This is how guys like Nathan think. They call any male speaking up about male issues whiny and expect men to just suppress things. Nathan has a cult mindset
Nathan is a text book sociopath lacking empathy. Nathans brain can't process empathy so don't bother talking to him.
@NathanDavis You pretty much just proved my point, dude. Thank you.
@ManOnFire I sure can support men and I do support men... but my point again here is... you're not a man
you're just an inadequate douchebag that can't take responsibility for himself and his real life so... all you have to do is to come here and say shit about women with your every post
you always blame them for everything that is wrong about you, and others like you
the saddest part of all is that you really hope that others have it just like you and join your stupidity
and sure other idiots around here will always do join you, because in a bunch, all of you feel less of the cowards you all are, and then go idiotic against women
well, guess what... a true man will NEVER stand beside you for that kind of bullshit
hence I am not and never will
true men will always get support from other men and women... but you, you're just a bag of BS on fire
@NathanDavis I don't mind your opinion, it's yours to have and keep. Although I will say that no 'true man' loses his cool and makes a long, angry rant like a "mitch."
@ManOnFire it is not long... it takes just 10 seconds
and it was not an angry rant, it's just pointing out the reality, your reality
and the mitch around here is not me, it's you... the one that's always spreading hatred against women due to your own inadequacy and bitter ways of life
and of course you don't mind it, because you're also a troll... that needs attention through controversy... that's why you always post this kind of shit and always against women, but the moment a real man calls you out on your BS, you like to play the victim...
@NathanDavis Bro, I am sorry but I literally cannot take you seriously hearing you whining like this especially with another guy. I always listen to what everyone has to say even if I don’t agree with it, but it gets hard to listen to at this point.
Anything you want to call me, any way you think of me, any way you want to perceive my activity, is perfectly fine. I have no issue with that. People dislike people all the time. That's your right, but you're not acting anywhere near manly about it and we're not even really having a solid discussion anymore at this point.
@ManOnFire that is right... your only interest here is to take it against women
but any time a real man calls you out, you want none of it... and that, is not surprising at all. that's what all mitches around here like to do
and you're just another one of those
@NathanDavis Did you notice I've also criticized men more than once on this site, and have even written Takes about them too? Or it's just what I've talked about concerning women that you've only noticed and makes you uncomfortable?
@ManOnFire see, you have not denied that you attack women... you acknowledge it
and this is the problem with you, you come here and criticize everyone stupidly... so is not about what you do precisely, but how you do it and why you do it...
from your inadequacy, and that is what makes you a douche and a mitch, and this is the only reason why I call you out, the same I've done with others that do it the same you do it
@NathanDavis Attacking women would be like the Red Pillers who come on these sites purposely looking for fights and looking just too viciously verbally assault women users, which I don't do. I prefer to have actual discussions with users about these things, and I don't need to attack their character for it, even if we disagree.
I talk about issues with women, like I have about issues with men... but I don't think you've tuned in to that. Your perception is that what I talk about attacks women because it makes you uncomfortable.
"and this is the problem with you, you come here and criticize everyone stupidly" - I think you're already doing an excellent job of that without me. You're not calling out anybody on anything. You're displaying yourself as the very "mitch" you talk about.
Learn to have a little more tolerance, brother. Peace.
@ManOnFire bull... none of what I called you out on, was uncalled for
@Hallo626262 if you don’t stop harassing users on my thread I will report you to the moderators and start removing your comments. I am done with the name calling and insults, if you can’t disagree with someone with out being an asshole them you need to just shut up and stop being inflammatory. Be respectful, or begone.
Women have empathy only for the men the either have interest in or feel they can get something from.
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