It’s no secret Andrew Tate is the most famous man on the planet right now. Is his way of pushing masculinity positive or is it toxic? I want to hear from both men and women
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Is Andrew Tate raising a generation of Toxic males?
On the one hand no because he didn´t invent anything new. What he says isn´t new and he´s not that famous as many people think he is. Also he´s not the only one there are a lot of guys that love to talk tell guys how the world works and make money out of it.
On the other hand yes, I feel I´m part of a generation of guys that is insecure and not because of him but because how things in this world. Like is it just me or has become masculinity completely subjective and it´s left to each and everyone to define what a man is. There are a lot of guys that have no or not many social contacts.
Andrew Tate is an example of a lone wolf and successful self made man so to say that´s something they rather can relate to than for example Harry Styles or Tom Holland. Whereas them he seems to have built up his success on his own and he gets the attention many of those guys that listen to him don´t get or crave. He seems to be the guy that was under-estimated and then proved all the others wrong. He made himself from nothing into something so to say.
Why not Styles or Holland? Because those guys have a too high quantity of social skills and that´s something that we the social awkward guys don´t have and feel we can never get. I´m personally not listening to Andrew Tate mostly because he follows other morals than he wants other to live up to and secondly his goals aren´t mine. I also disagree with him on questions of cheating and maybe how to lead a relationship.
Generally though I clicked originally no thinking about it I would say yes though under the premise that he´s not the only one and his impact is still over-estimated because there are guys and groups I think that have way more impact than he.
I see the main problem for some guys is that they are not physically and mentaly strong and they are socially awkward and have few friends and at a certain age it´s looked at bad and it also feels bad to go out alone. So instead they stay home because there are not many places where you can make friends if you seem to be a loner.
Those guys therefore realise at some point they can´t get a relationship so they look for an explanation to their misery and Tate gives it to them. The relationship topic is so immanent because mainly many movies and soaps see marriage as the ultimate happiness. Like take the Big Bang Theory, it ends with Sheldon marrying Amy and all the main guys being married and also Stuart being taken at the end of the show. So what does it tell a nerd guy? A relationship is the goal of happiness.
I think number of socially awkward and lonely guys (call them "toxic") will grow in the future but not because of Tate and other guys but because people offline simply don´t care. It´s the parents and class mates that have a much higher impact than somebody from the internet. Yes it´s harder to raise a boy and to connect with him but the problem if we don´t do it other people will like for example gangs.
Tate profits of those guys but he doesn´t create them he just collects them like ripe fruits.
Lengthy take but very very detailed. I agree he’s got a set target audience and the niche nowadays is exposing women for using good men or neglecting good men for the ‘bad guy’ what is alarming is how testosterone is significantly LOWER in the men today than the generations before…. This is a result of many things but ‘toxic feminism’ is the counter niche for content creators. Now I also don’t agree with 80% of the things Andrew Tate says but he’s not the only one speaking on things and ‘helping’ men, Kevin Samuels was considered ‘toxic’ and despite him meeting his untimely demise 2 months ago I believe he’s trended on Twitter 6 times…. Of course you can take what a lot of these men say with a pinch of salt but just because certain people here don’t know who he is they think it makes his influence less prominent lol
Sure sorry for the length. I have the tendency to over do with the length in topics that bother me. I completely agree with you that decline in testosterone will and is already a problem. But I don´t know how to change that. I probably haven´t heard about him because I´m not American so he has harder to slide in my suggestions on social media. For me mostly his kind of cocky attitude and the way he talks are a problem besides feeling the need to show off and smoking in videos. But generally I also think that in the 30-60% of guys could be what others might think as weak guys and that will change society completely.
Andrew Tate is about 75% right - but he takes things way too far because HE can get away with it and because HE has - ahem - "questionable" morals.
He's a tall, very physically fit professional fighter, and he's wealthy, so women tend to find him attractive. But he's also an admitted criminal, and is not apologetic about it at all - he's also an admitted narcissist, as many of the most desirable men are. He often talks about (but only rarely outright endorses) doing things that are illegal or at least immoral.
Because of these things, a lot of people are going to focus on the obviously-bad things about him, and either dismiss him (fair enough) or brand EVERYTHING he says as wrong or evil, and that's NOT correct.
A lot people don't want to deal with nuance or shades of gray - they ONLY want to take a position on one extreme or the other. A person is either "completely good" or "completely evil," and "completely good" essentially means they believe exactly everything you believe - otherwise they are completely evil.
For people who are intelligent enough to handle nuance, they can look at Andrew Tate and see that many things he says - especially about men needing to step up, improve themselves, work hard, etc., and when he says that men need to take leadership and not let women walk all over them - those things are correct, and most women would agree. But when he talks about other things - sometimes overtly criminal things - you don't want to follow his example, and if you tried, you wouldn't get away with it anyway, because you lack his money, his connections, and his influence.
Anyone who has a hero or mentor should understand that those people are not perfect either. They have flaws, they've made mistakes, and they may even hold opinions in certain areas that you strongly disagree with or might even be offended by. That doesn't mean that their achievements aren't worthy of recognizing or that they have nothing of value to offer you. If we could ONLY learn from perfect people, we'd still be living in caves and hunting animals with rocks and bones.
He's right about the part that men need to work hard and build themselves into men of value. Whether that is being physically fit, financially fit, or mentally fit, most of what he talks about is some variation of "men need to do the work to build themselves into capable, competent leaders - and then they need to take the lead in their relationships with women."
He's also talked about things like establishing histories - and bank accounts - in other countries, so that if things go completely sideways where you live, you can go someplace else. You only have that freedom if you've done the work ahead of time, and have a history at your destination - people who have no history will almost certainly be denied entry during such times. That's excellent advice.
But the Tate brothers have called themselves "mafia", and they live in Romania and have talked about how they have essentially engaged in corruption to protect themselves from the law - something that's easier for them to do in Romania for sure, but certainly isn't impossible elsewhere. They also get much of their income "managing" women on Only Fans - for a percentage of their income, of course. They claim that the women they manage make more money overall than they would on their own, and that could be true, but in my opinion they are effectively pimps.
The other thing they talk about a lot that I disagree with - even though I see their point - is that a top 10% or better man - can effectively get away with cheating (which is often true), and so women should just accept this as the price of being in a relationship with such men. They aren't wrong in saying that such men often do this and it's often accepted, but that doesn't make it RIGHT in my eyes. They don't care about "right", though - they definitely don't hold traditionally moral values - and mostly just do what they feel is best for them, which, again, I don't agree with.
The fact that I disagree with a sizable chunk of their message doesn't mean that the entire message is invalid - many of their points are correct and helpful to understand, but you have to know that some of the message is crap and needs to be ignored.
I believe so. But more so, I see it as he is raising men to be very insecure. I mean what guy says it is fine for a man to cheat as it is "exercise", but a woman is completely restricted. He says it is how the man is wired (to reproduce), but so are women during ovulation. Is that an excuse to cheat? He goes off about how a woman is more emotionally wired, but he seems to get quite defensive quite easily and has a major ego. I also don't get the whole, "My girl could never have more money than me" type of behaviour. So what if your girl earns more money? If you are finding it embarrassing, then again, you're letting your feelings get in the way. Secondly if you were a real man, you would show off to the world how hard working your girl id, to be earning that amount. He loves to say it is a mans job to protect a woman. If he truly believes that, then he must also know protecting is not only physically. It is emotionally and mentally. So when you go to cheat, even if it is a once off, you have already hurt your girl. You have broken her into pieces, so how is that protecting? In saying all of this, I don't know how truthful he is abut these statements. Perhaps he doesn't even believe them himself. He earns more money when his videos get reposted, so even if he has to say the worst things, he will do so in hopes to get reposted, and boom, extra money. I feel very bad for those people that listen to his sayings. The main thing in this life is to know your self worth. Don't let people walk over you, but treat people with respect. No one is your property, and you aren't someone else's property. For a relationship to work, it is about teamwork. The moment your eyes are set on something else, you are actively saying that you are not completely committed to one person. And last thing I'd like to say about him is that he believes a man should lead. Now why would a woman let s man lead her if he has no control over his sexual desires? One that cannot tame his ego, especially if she earns more money than him? He is raising men to only be the worst. As stated, I feel bad for the men buying into this. You can "be a man", without needing to be toxic. It takes a strong man to stay faithful despite urges, and it takes a strong man to put his ego aside. Clearly Tate cannot do that, and he is influencing more men to be like him. It is very sad.
👏🏾👏🏾 very good points made, I agree with a lot of the points, this war on men vs women is getting worse and worse but for entertainment value it’s what’s selling at the moment. I do feel he makes some points and then follows it up with statements that are bound to wind women up…. I find it weird people are commenting on this and saying ‘I don’t know who he is’ or ‘I don’t care about the youth’ when this man is purposely seeking out a younger generation of men to be just like him
Thank you. A lot of his statements are false though. He tries to have the old fashion mentality, but it doesn't work nowadays. Things are so expensive, so he can't expect a man to pay for everything while a woman stays home. I know he has previously praised women for their work, but I really don't think he appreciates it. Nowadays, all I see is women work, look after their husbands, have tp look after children, raise the children, cook, clean, whilst trying to make sure she is able to maintain herself. He acts as though every man is rich. This is false. It is so hard to earn that type of money, especially due to all the covid issues etc. Lol well I guess most people just don't care or maybe don't use the platforms it's mainly shared to? I have never seen it on IG, only TikTok. I do believe his ideology is messed up. I hate saying that and judging someone else's beliefs, but he is portraying the wrong mindset on young men. I really don't understand is beliefs of what a man is. As stated, I view a male as a man once he is able to stop his sexual urges, when he is committed to a woman, when he respects his woman, and when they both work as a team. Same as a female, she should only be considered a woman when she is respectful to her man, when she does not act on her sexual urges and/or "emotional" urges (as Tate loves to go on about). I believe both need to work in unison. With the new mindset he is setting on men, guys will no longer be able to get a woman. It will only lead to hate amongst men and women. And what is Tate getting out of his as he loads off a bunch of bs? Extra $$$. I am actually quite surprised by the guys actually listening to this, and being so blinded that Tate is literally profiting off their insecurities. And also, isn't he being investigated for sex trafficking and rape?
I think i can understand western young men for listening to him or any redpill channels (?) since there are not many organisations for men who care about men etc or men's problems dont really get talked about in media/at school or there are not many role models for young men. As a result these young men feel like that their voice is heard by these people even though they know that famous redpill channels or andrew tate say some antiwoman stuff but at least someone talk about some of the men's problems. However men's problems can be talked without being sexist towards women. So if you want people to stop listening to him or other toxic people we need role models and male version of feminism (?). I dont know. I am really done with this gender war.
By the way andrew tate is a attention seeker who know very well how to get attention by being extra sexist, provocative etc. Seriously noone should give an attention since this is what he wants.
but transgenders have gender dysphoria aka their brain make them hate make them hate their own sexual organs. So they already hate their own sex due to a mental illness " gender dysphoria" " Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."
Lol this andrew dude slept with Jordan peterson daughter, is a pimp and make money of incels. This guy is walking meme. If he truly cares about men, he would make free stuff. I know redpill guys on youtube who really care about men and get money only by having ads.
Andrew tate says whatever his fans want to hear to make money. This guy said positive things about islam due to his muslim fans but there is death penalty for cheater like him in islam. I know a turkish traditional redpill guy' cenk hoca'-i am not sure whether he makes englisch content too but he tells what he believes and tries to help men in his own way. He is also not afraid of making very contraversial opinions such as him being an ex muslim to the point he got death threats or to the pointhe lose his job. I actually dont like any redpill guy but at least this guy ain't that extreme or dont make money of his fans
I don't think so. I think Tate phrases things as bluntly as possible to shock the senses, but doesn't seem like he's actually very toxic. You couldn't live the way his critics say he lives without being in constant legal trouble. Seeing as how most people who have interacted with him actually have great things to say about him, I'm inclined to think he's just playing a character.
True she has said that, but tbh it didn't look like she was enjoying it in the video at all. And I have seen many video's like that. You never know if he told her to say that. But beside that there also is another video of him screaming at a woman and telling her "Show the camera your bruises" Because he has beaten her. Just the fact that there are more video's like this and the things he says, will not convince me to think it's all just a roleplay.
1. He thinks of himself as one of the top 1% of men in the world and everyone else is beneath him unless they've registered themselves into his Hustler's University and/or War Room programme.
2. He treats all women as promiscuous and shuns them for even daring to use social media, talking to any other guy besides him, and for them even daring to consider any other guy as attractive besides him.
3. He degrades women for sleeping around, but says it's okay for a man to fuck as many women as he wants even if he's in a committed relationship/marriage because in his defense, "sleeping with different women isn't considered cheating".
4. He glorifies money, power and status and will belittle you if you think otherwise, saying that if you don't own a couple supercars, live in a mansion, smoke expensive cigars all day and fly around in private jets, you're a failed man and no woman would ever want to look at you.
5. He shares mysoginistic views about dating and that acts of aggression, violence and abuse are okay because it's the "inherent nature of a man to be brutal". Moreover, he has multiple charges against him for this very behavior he glorifies.
So to answer your question, yes. Andrew "Tryhard" Tate really is raising and commandeering a generation of toxic men, and I know I might get a lot of backlash from this by the people who voted "No", but someone had to say it. I even released a MyTake of my own discussing this guy on my profile, so you could check that out later as well. Besides, you don't even need me to tell you this. Just listen to the content this guy puts out and the things he says and you'll know just what I mean. It's very easy to point out and talk about a couple obvious problems that men are facing and then mix it up with your twisted ideologies to sound relevant.
@Lookingfortruth sticks and stones, buddy. Sticks and stones. You go on get your diploma from Husler's University and buy yourself a gold plated Bugatti Chiron while you're at it. See how far that delusion gets you
You get it. Very good points, very true. I'm convinced this dude is in Love with him. And that's ok. He believes women should stay home and text him every hour hahaha what. Douche.
Since Kevin Samuels got knocked off, most likely either by either a feminist group or even secret government police group like the CIA or FBI to stop a potential Messiah, I think Tate is the next and up-and-coming, although I enjoyed Samuels, Tate is over the top, and acting a bit to be ultra masculine.
There are too many young and upset men. Many have seen some manosphere stuff. And to top it off, thrhy also see TilTok stuff, with women making fools out of themselves, and it only bolsters young angry men to find a cheerleader, and right now it is Tate.
In a nutshell, many young guys want to date and have sex with women. Many are losing out. So they turn to these PUA types who sell them the idea that if they just start acting like men, and they will become successful. Of course these young guys are really competing for women in a social media and dating app world. Most of these women are holding out for a top tier man. Most guys sadly are just average. Some even slightly less than.
I think Tate will eventually get knocked off when he has too many followers and his message gets much wider as Samuels was huge in the black community. He was likely about to hit the mainstream. Tate is just a trend right now. If that trend get popular, he too will likely face the same fate as Samuels. I think like Samuels, the media and attempt to defame him and try to make him as nasty as they can. If he should win, he better get his life sorted, because he will land up beside the late great Kevin Samuels.
My take on him is that he knows how to get attention by aiding to this gender war, now I do feel once you look past the foolery and antics he is trying to give an identity back to a generation of boys becoming more and more feminine…..
Well, I guess one of the weirdest things about Western society is that we have so many young men and boys who have are looking for a leader. They don't want to take the harder path of educating themselves, informing themselves and becoming their own leader.
Some folks like this guy I guess, Jordan Peterson, MGTOW, etc. take advantage of this to create their own followings. I can't blame them. There is a lot of money in these types of online movements. So why not monetize it?
But they end up with mindless followers who can't do anything but post anything but Jordan Peterson videos, Andrew Tate videos, MGTOW videos, etc. . . to explain what they think.
And it is painfully apparent in this forum where you have so many males. . . who have no idea how to talk about being a man or being masculine. Because for many of them, the mere appearance of their penis is somehow the proof they are men and exhibit the traits we associate with masculinity.
That's why when I created "mytake" on masculine traits, so many men were angry. And challenged me to prove that masculine traits existed.
And it is one of the most terrifying, baffling, weirdest consequences of Western society. That males, can't even talk about what they feel makes them masculine. And certain smarter guys see this was an opportunity to fill this void with rhetoric. And not real actual advice for these males who appear to be lost.
It has nothing to do with the bullsh*t term "toxic masculinity" (not that I take anyone seriously who unironically uses that term). He's just an asshole and con artist. He's not a teacher of "masculinity." No one who's not extremely dumb even pays attention to him. And to be perfectly honest, I never even heard of him until three weeks ago, and only know him thanks to Turkey Tom.
The world will always have an Andrew Tate, before him was Kevin Samuels, before him was Rollo Tomasi, etc...
So long as we have radical feminists pushing all kinds of twisted agendas that benefit women off the back of men you will have angry men looking for a prophet and today Cobra Tate stepped up to give these men what they wanted a voice that is polarizing and while toxic it is also a cry that enough is enough.
He is no doubt an evil but a necessary and inevitable one.
Unfortunately he is also a major scammer in terms of how he exploits that fame to make money
Never heard of him, had to Google him because of this post. I'll start by saying it's never masculinity that's "toxic," it's what some men who say with their beliefs.
The dude operates like a cult: he says something vaguely reasonable or plausible, sandwiches in crazy nonsense, and says it with such conviction that people think it's true.
The stuff he's saying appeals to insecure men without positive influences or role models in their lives, so they hang on every word. It's sad really, there's a vacuum for positive male role models and dudes like Andrew Tate are clearly taking advantage. I say that despite the fact that he seems to genuinely believe what he's saying.
He's probably not going to catch on 100%, but there are enough insecure men who need help looking in all the wrong places to give him an ongoing fan base.
I don’t know if his actions are helping the new generations become stronger and more resilient like they should be but he knowsPersonally I think Andrew Tate is just putting on a persona so that the men of the latest generations can get their shit together. If the way he speaks was actually the way he was off camera then yeah that would be pretty bad but honestly I believe what he does on cameras just a persona I don’t know if his actions are helping the new generations of men become stronger and more resilient like they should be but who knows.
"most famous man on the planet right now" I've never even heard of him, nor do I care tbh.
As for masculinity being "toxic", people need to stop calling assholes masculine. Thats not what masculine means.
Your attitude, aggression level, intelligence, personality, and sense of morals, have squat to do with your testosterone levels, chromosomes, or genitals. Masculinity is how male you are, not how you think or act.
As I keep repeating on this post… just because you belong in the percentage of people who don’t know him doesn’t make his impact on the internet less potent. If you’re a parent I’m sure you would want to know what influencers are influencing them. And before you say ‘my kids wouldn’t know him either’ well there’s only so much shielding you can do, as soon as they leave home and go to school who do you think is being spoken about in schools….
1. His "impact" appears tied to the minority of people who follow him since so many people never heard of him.
2. I'm not a parent, nor do I ever want to be. But, I do not believe in censorship having any value, and influencers are not a real thing (people only flock to them to hear their own thoughts out of someone else's mouth) so if I were a parent, i'd still have the same stance on this.
I do have teens and kids i game with, like younger siblings of friends, and the only influencers they follow are instagram models and lets play youtubers.
3. I don't raise or associate with followers. People should raise their kids to be comfortable thinking for themselves, so influencers are moot 3 times over.
Clementine ford, why she's not banned for saying men are worthless all the time?
Misguiding women to hate men talking about Patriarchy oppressing women when it's not the truth.
Patriarchy and men invented the tampons, Men died for women and children to see this day? Even now in Ukraine men are protecting their homeland. It's not feminists on the frontline.
Cherilyn Sarkisian- Do you think men are important? went viral saying ''Like for what?''
And SO MUCH MORE on media painting men bad.
Men suicides are at an all time high.
Do Women care... Do feminist care? No. So that says a lot about feminism.
Andrew Tate felt sorry for men. If Tate is bad then Feminists are the worst.
Even the vibrator they use is made by men for their lonely time.
He's raising men not to be pussies. We have question on Gag where majority of men agree with no fault divorce, not having ability to express themselves on social media, pay for first dates, not hit back women that assault them, staying in a marriage where the woman no longer is trying then it is clear why women have no respect for most men today and are super picky. Most men are complete beta males today that think being a female's gay best friend will lead to them getting a wife/girlfriend.
Yeah no. He's teaching you how to enslave women. Women are objects and should stay home. F that. This guy got punched to the head too many times. He's "raising " you to disrespect women. Good luck with that.
he's Raising a generation of toxic simps that keep him paid and relevant on YouTube. If I knew it was that easy to make money off impressionable, angry men, I would shaved my head bald, wore sunglasses, grew a beard, and talked about females a Long time ago.
For someone that is supposed to be " the most famous man on the planet " according to your statement, it seems that 95% of GaG users are unaware of this person is. Since GaG is a pretty good representation of the people out there, it is reasonable to assume that 95% of the world, and that includes China, Zimbabwe, Uruguay and Iceland, have not the faintest idea who it is. Making a statement that one particular person is the most famous man on earth is a little far fetched, no?
Also, from his pictures, I would say that he looks very toxic and that he is a person that every woman should avoid to meet in a dark alley.
What kind of argument is this? Cristiano ronaldo has the most followers on Instagram and there are people who don’t know him…. ‘ raising a generation’ implies he has a target audience, and seeing as people aged 20 to 29 are the biggest users of social media I’d be concerned if your younger siblings knew him and you didn’t. Good for thought
I’m with Dusty. I don’t know who this is. Maybe my lack of motivation to watch the news is turning out to be a positive. I can guarantee you my husband doesn’t know who he is because the only media he listens to is his favorite radio station which only plays music, very little news programming. So I guess he can just keep whatever toxicity he may have in his own little circle and out of mine.
Am I the only one who doesn’t know who that is? Like I know I don’t keep up that much with the media but I still know who most famous people are and this one is like radio silent. But people can be susceptible to pressure from others or can see how life would be easier by doing what that person does. Can’t say they’d be successful or not though.
Had no idea who he was... googeld and watched a little... awful! 🤮🤮🤮 I really hope nobody is listening to his bullshit and other self claimed "alpha-male"'s shit.
The guy is trash. We have a younger generation of men looking for someone to show them the way, instead of blazing their own trails... And then guys like this, feeding nothing of real substance, monetizing his vitriol, riding on the backs of the misguided young men he leads astray. Advocating domestic abuse, alone, is trash... Even without fleecing the lost souls he's leading further off the road to success.
too bad society view of men being guided in the right direction is to be beta provider, simps who let women walk all over them and have no backbone. Just look at some of these questions on here, vast majority of men are ok with no fault divorce. It's pathetic.
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