I don't think this is sexual harassment do you?

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This is a true situation that happened. An IT guy was called into work on a woman's computer and had to work on wires and get under her desk. she remained seated. She said he looked up her skirt and he was fired for sexual harassment. I am a female who worked at the same company and know both parties. I do not put up with sexual harassment. However, when someone has to work on wires lean over my desk, If I don't want to be seen, I STAND UP. Maybe he was admiring her nice shoes, or maybe he looked up and that was what was right in front of him. Again, why didn't she stand up when he had to get under her desk. Do you think this is grounds to ask he be fired?

BullShark · Accepted Answer

Seems to me like she had this whole thing planned out and maybe this is what she wanted all along. I don't really think this is sexual harassment either, in all honesty. The way I see it, he was just doing his job and she got him fired just for the heck of it because of some power move bs.

If it were me, I'd have politely asked her to move aside and stand up for a while and made up an excuse that I might accidentally bump into her because she is, quite literally, in my way. If she doesn't move, despite me asking her to, then that's clearly on her, and I shouldn't be held responsible if she thinks (emphasis on think) that I so much as sneaked a glance up her skirt. If I'm there to do a job, that's all that's on my mind and I couldn't care less or care at all about what color panties she's wearing.

This is why a lot of the men nowadays don't trust their female colleagues in the workplace, and I'm not trying to point fingers by saying that all women are like this, but I do feel like a lot of women know they can get away with stuff like this because it's usually their word against the man's, so they use it to their advantage. I really do hope the ones in charge in your work place do a more thorough check on what really happened here and hold the woman responsible.

globetrotter22 · Accepted Answer

I wonder if he asked her to move away from the desk while he worked and she said no. I also wonder if he admitted looking at her inappropriately or denied it. I wonder if he even looked at her inappropriately at all but instead noticed something else like you mentioned (her shoes)

Anyway there is a zeitgeist in society right now that “the woman is never wrong” and when it doubt shoot the guy first and ask questions later. These companies are more afraid of being getting negative mass media and/or litigation that almost always favors feminism. So they will take the easy route and screw over men because they know there is a lesser chance he would win a wrongful termination lawsuit They also know the media is less likely to care about him vs him not getting fired and her complaining about alleged sexual harassment.

Not to say this guy might of something creepy and sexually harassing. If he really did that he should of been disciplined. He might of looked at her panties and said something (very stupid).

Anyway it sounds like her word was automatically taken over his with no questions asked. That’s wrong. Very wrong.

sage2021 · Accepted Answer

You see how easy it is for these bitches to get guys fired from their job, lose their livelihood, probably ruined their chance of getting another job, and for what?
She should be the one to be fired for giving the guy a beaver shot and not getting up and stand clear away from her work area until he was finished. Bitch be crazy! If I were him I would sue her for what she did to ruin his life. She doesn't even know for sure if he looked up her smelly skirt or not. She's probably fugly and desperate for attention.
This was not sexual harassment! This was a case of not getting her lazy ass up out of her chair until he was finished working there.

yucychan · Accepted Answer

I do not think it was sexual harassment but did the company conduct a proper investigation before firing the IT guy?

Just curious, why didn't the IT guy inform the lady to move while he worked on the wires under the desk? Wouldn't it make his work easier as well?

FunkyMonkee · Answer

No! She SHOULD'VE stood up or at least turned her chair the other way!! Besides, what could he have POSSIBLY seen that he couldn't have seen on the beach? Is she also gonna stir shit with guys looking there on the beach?
I was in the ER at the hospital the other day and, while I was sitting there, some old woman was wheeled in (in a wheelchair) wearing a knee-length black & white striped dress and, as they were signing her in at the desk 10' away from me, her knees were pointed in my direction. I happened to look over to see if it was anyone I knew and got a clear shot all the way up her dress! ALL I SAW WAS LEGS!!

I only looked for that initial second or two and then they wheeled her over next to my chair. Eventually, they pushed over to the other side of the room almost giving me another clear shot up her dress and I was temped to tell her that she should either pull her dress down a bit, if she could, or put something over her knees so people couldn't see up her dress. But, chances are, had I done that, it would've probably gotten ME in trouble for some kind of similar sexual harassment deal so, I just let it slide!! You can't even be nice to people, these days, without getting shit for it!!

rtj1211 · Answer

This is why men increasingly have contempt for feminist women in places of work.

This sort of toxic nonsense has no place in a place of work.

What was the woman doing even within 5 metres of the desk?

Let the IT guy fix the problem, then return.

Red_Arrow · Answer

If she was wearing pants, then obviously it was not. Assuming she was not, then perhaps she was in a text conversation and should have asked him to wait till it was done. Otherwise, she should have moved from the desk as he worked. If she did not care if he looked, she definitely should not have reported him as she set him up. Guys will look if a gal has a short dress or a low cut or open top. So she would not wear those, so why remain at the desk he had to work under?

Googlemyahoo · Answer

Did he stick his nose in her crotch?

Paper mill I worked hired a girl. I ended up training her. It was pathetic how many people came through my area pretending to come see me. She was like wow you’re popular guy. I explained not knowing who most were they just wanted to check her out.

Anyways one day the gate security called for her. I passed the phone and she started talking and immediately looked alarmed. Ask whats up she said that another employee this fucking guy that looked like gollum called the guard shack from his home saying he needed keys to her house he was doing work there.

Legitimately stalking there. She was freaking out crying. They suspended the guy 2 weeks but kept them working in the same area.

JPresidente · Answer

She should have gotten up OR he should have asked nicely if she could stand up and moved aside. It’s hard to say for sure if he definitely stared or gawked at her under the desk while he did his work as I wasn’t there but I guess they gave her the benefit of the doubt and fired him. If I were him, I would consider suing the employer for wrongful termination if he is willing to be deposed and admit he did not look at her the at way and perhaps has a witness that can attest to it. Seems a bit over the top to me at first glance. A sincere apology “might” have better resolved the issue.

Missgingles · Answer

I dont think he should have gotten fired unless he lifted up her skirt or put his head between her legs. I mean he just did his job. This is a clear example of female privlige in the Western world.

PeteBy · Answer

Agree with you. She should have and more importantly any woman worth their salt would have walked away from her desk.

It's in her personal space and most women would be more than aware that she's wearing a skirt and a man on the floor under her desk would be awkward.

Too easy for these things to happen. There's a gorgeous cleaner at our company and she goes in the manager's office a few times a week. As soon as she goes in, he comes out. Clearly trying to avoid any chance of her accusing him of anything. Very similar situation. If he stays in the office and she claims he was ogling her body/touching her inappropriately then it's his word against hers. Better to remove yourself from that situation. In your case of the woman, she should have removed herself as she knew he had to go under her desk.

MCheetah · Answer

It wasn't sexual harassment and that sounds like that b*tch set him up on purpose and just lied about the whole thing. Why would she remain seated if she was worried about that? Why wouldn't she get up and move out of the way, to begin with? He shouldn't have been fired.

GoodGuyBreakingBad · Answer

If I was an IT man I wouldn't look up a woman's skirt. It could be a form of some kind of sexually inappropriate but not harassment unless he made comments to her. I can't see him being fired but anything happens nowadays?

Chazmatazz269 · Answer

If what you shared is the entirety of the information available, it’s wrongful termination. Unfortunately, laws and societal standards are racing hard left right now and he has zero recourse. She could have stripped completely nude and if he so much as peeked he’d still be fired and he’ll probably never work again. Women can do no wrong and men can do no right.

OlderThanILook · Answer

Nah she should be getting in trouble for indecent exposure. I work in IT. When I have to go into the office to work on something, I don't want none of them nasty ass bitches in my workspace. If a woman was wearing a skirt and I needed to get under her desk, I'd tell her to gtfo if she didn't move. Nobody wants to see that spoiled roast beef sandwich.

pizzalovershouse · Answer

Not fired but he should of told her to move an she ether got mad cuz undies were skimpy an its comn sense to move out of the way cuz what if the wire got broke an she an him both got shocked an another thing say it was a girl doing work like that an she was checking his pants for a bulge could he get her fired

Gollum · Answer

Keep this up ladies and you're gonna find yourself completely devoid of men. I get that sexual harassment sucks and should be dealt with, no discussion. But lately this has taken dimensions that are just impossible and often confusing to men. Can one ask a lady out? Or are you harassing her? Depends if she likes you or not. But how is one to know?

Now one to your story. First of all why the fuck did she not get up when he has to work under the table in the first place? That's so rude and inconsiderate, seems more like she wanted to provoke him into looking, see if she gets any attention. And the fact that he gets fired for a mere glance, I seriously doubt she suffered any great emotional damage.

Well good luck finding another good IT technician I would never want to work for a shit company like this.

Lliam · Answer

If she continued to sit at her desk while he was trying to work under it, she did it deliberately. She knew what she was doing.
Who knows if the guy actually looked under her dress.
I think she's an evil bitch.

Aerissa_Jade · Answer

He should have asked her to move and then if she didn't, I can't say that would be sexual harassment but then again the training my company makes us do every year, is focused on if it is unwanted. You ask them not to and if they persist, that is that.

Doesn't sound like she even asked him not to.

Anonymous · Answer

The HILARIOUS part about this story is that if you were to buy into any of the arguments about sexual harassment OTHER THAN "it's only something guys can do to girls" SHE'D be the one getting fired. Let's review:

Who has "greater power" in a corporate setting? The IT monkey or the person calling him to do her bidding?

If the situation were reversed and a GUY asked an IT chick to work under his desk and he didn't bother getting up, so she's just down there with her head by his junk, who is harassing whom?

AviatorTom · Answer

That sounds more like entrapment. She set up a situation where she could convince someone that he looked up her skirt. She should have moved away so he could work under her desk in peace. Plus, this would not normally be grounds for firing... maybe reassignment or days off without pay, but firing is too harsh.

ohsheeT · Answer

I would have fired them both for not having common sense that's so ridiculous the guy has to get under her desk and if she's going to sit right there in her chair while he's doing it that's on her and if he's not going to say hey look lady I'm going to be getting underneath your desk here you might want to take a break or stand up because I'm going to need all the room I can get if one got fired they should both get fired

Middleman · Answer

No I don't think so. In fact it's possible he could contest the firing as 'unfair dismissal' under a tribunal. Logically she should have moved, gone to get a drink or stand up if someone was going to work on the computer (that's what most people would do). It shouldn't be the technicians fault if his intent was to get work done.

Guardian45 · Answer

It seems to me both parties messed up. Him for what he did, and her for not moving away, but only he can be fired.

Friendlybro79 · Answer

I do not think it is sexual harassment but he might (I'm not sure if this is correct) be able to say it is reverse sexual harassment by her letting him be in what could have been an uncomfortable situation by him. To explain further, I mean she should have given him more space because she knew he had to go under her table.

The man who was fired should at the very least seek counsel. This might not qualify.

DJB72 · Answer

I spend a lot of time in a wheelchair these days. That puts women's boobs at eye level for me. If you walk up to me and start talking to me standing close to me I'm basically going to be staring you in the nipple. Not because I particularly want to, but because that's literally shoved in my face.

Actually in the situation you describe, she's guilty of sexual harassment by sitting with her crotch in his face. He's got a case for sexual harassment and unfair dismissal to six figures

RealMarek · Answer

It’s impossible to know what really happened in this case, but there is a lesson: Don’t work on wiring under a woman’s desk while she’s sitting there. There are a lot of other lessons men can learn these days too, like don’t date college women without a consent form because the USG formalized a presumption of guilt in the academic system if you are accused, don’t meet with women alone, etc.

Zolly99999 · Answer

I think it's BS on her part. . I often have to work near or under desks.. I tell the person I need to work there for a few mins and they get up and leave while I work.. why didn't she leave the area so the guy could work?

Massageman · Answer

1. He should have requested that she just take a break so he work with possible injury to her.

2. She should have just gotten up and taken a break, period, if felt ill at ease.

Sexual harassment? No. Remedy was too simple and avoided.

Just being dodo-heads? Quite possibly.

Aakash_Hangargi · Answer

Huh it looks like 1/4th of the story if it's full story i mean he should sue the company.
What idiot sits when a guy is working how the guy needs to move.

Usually the wiring part cabling issues are fixed on weekends and planned maintenance i don't think this story is true.

None of the statements maje sense lol

Jerre · Answer

No, far from it. She shud have left her desk when he had to get under the desk.

Anonymous · Answer

Not sexual harassment at the same time the guy was probably best of asking if she could move so he could do his job instead of just going under her desk and if she refused to move he than should have gone to her boss and explained he can't do his job as he needs to get under her desk and she declined to move

Jamie05rhs · Answer

OMG. She should have backed up her chair and stood the f up!! What is wrong with her?

But also, if I was him, I would have asked her politely to move. I would have said, "hey, would you mind scooting away a little bit? So I can have room to work here?"

Pudsmucker · Answer

You are right it is not sexual harassment. She invited him to look up her skirt. When she did not move from her position when he had to work on the wires under her desk. It is common courtesy for people to step away from their desk while a computer technician from it works on the computer. But the company always falls into the position of sexual harassment charges. It saves them humongous lawsuits.

exitseven · Answer

I have done this exact job and I always tried not to peek but sometimes you just can't. Most of the time i made them stand up anyway so I could fit under the desk. I probably got a few beaver shots during my career.

9inchestrong · Answer

The man should have not went under her desk if she was still sitting. The woman should not have stayed seated if he was going to be under her desk. Especially with a skirt on. He could have looked under her skirt. Reality is though. There is no way to prove that he did not. Only thing that is proven is the woman was sitting at her desk with a skirt on and the man went under the desk at the same time. Thus far appropriate behavior does not have to be assumed, Inappropriate behavior is a fact.

Flower7 · Answer

No, I don’t consider that to be sexual harassment. If he DID look up her skirt, I’m sure he didn’t plan it.

Jennz6 · Answer

I would have stood up until he was finished. I don’t know if you can prove exactly where he was looking?

RedStiletto88 · Answer

I have stood up and moved out of the way if someone needed to go under my desk regardless if I had a skirt on or not. That’s just the sensible thing to do.

Honestly I wonder if there is more to this story though.

Adam1978 · Answer

No it's not even if he look up her skirt. It's irrelevant. She chose to show her stuff to him rather then step away. So she can't have felt harassed by the guy. She knew he was under there working. So her actions should reflect that fact.

Makeushiver · Answer

No, ir doesn't to me either. I would think that an oral warning should progressively lead to termination if necessary. Unless he was telling other people at work about it. I mean, who wouldn't do that?

Wise4myage · Answer

No and she set him up for it. But, he should have asked her to move away from her desk.

wittymilf · Answer

I’d move out of the way, seems pretty rude to expect a guy to get under my desk while I still sit there

Sirenboobzilla · Answer

Not. If I'm showing cleavage, I can't really blame them for looking. She stayed sitting, and if he managed to get a peek it's cause she was positioned in his direction

BlueScorpio · Answer

Weird, I would just gotten up so he could get to the wires a little more easily and if I'm wearing a skirt I would definitely get up cause that's sort of awkward lol 😆

jshm2 · Answer

It's unusual, as she should not be at her desk if someone is under it.  I would say HR probably had her buddy or were cowards. The guy does have a case for wrongful termination.

TacosRAwesome · Answer

I don't think it's sexual harassment. If she didn't want him looking up her skirt, she could have found something else to do or asked him to come at a later time when she wasn't as busy and gotten out of the way.

littlemisslolita · Answer

Most Things Aren’t Sexual Harassment At All. These Whiny Bitches Of Society Never Get Anything Done By Screaming And Falsely Accusing The Men All Day Long. What A Joke This World Has Come To. Misandry Has Got To Stop! I! HATE! WOMEN! 🤬

finesxed_j · Answer

Yes she could have stood up but if he was doing wire work why did he look up her skirt r there wires up there :) smh

Part2603 · Answer

Clearly not. She consented to his face being inches away from her crotch. She gave no indication that she didn't want him to sneak a peek.

Andrew2128 · Answer

It's just as much as his fault as it is her fault he could ask her to leave the room so he can work but if for some reason she refuses then that's her fault

nawtee_me · Answer

If she knew he had to get down there and told her so then he gave her fair warning before hand and it is not his fault...

TallAnon · Answer

Intent is important here, we can't really judge this from a few lines of text. Generally sounds like it could be solved in a better way though.

shark58 · Answer

No this is no reason, but the United States are famous for stories like that. Sorry that I am saying that, but its the truth.

Rudon00 · Answer

I don't understand. Why did she not stand up. it obvious while he is down there he is doing to look under her. I will not call that sexual harassment but rather an awkward situation.

msc545 · Answer

He will get fired because anything a woman says is sexual harassment IS, unfortunately. Nobody wants the legal hassle.

KrakenAttackin · Answer

It doesn't matter. She said sexual harassment and he was cancelled a minute later.

maximumpower · Answer

She was obviously looking to lodge a complaint. He was obviously stupid for working on the system while she was there.

Anonymous · Answer

Asking why she didn't stand up is victim blaming doncha know? It's a sin in the corporate world to acknowledge that women are able to possess agency in situations like this.

I am betting that that accusation is a boldface lie.

joeldalton · Answer

Not at all grounds to be fired. There's more to the story

Luopio27 · Answer

The world is unfair beyond measure. Women like that makes it look bad for all female kind.

Shamalien · Answer

I don’t think looking somewhere should ever be sexual harassment. Our laws are fucked

SupremeWarlord · Answer

He should do this thing blindfolded, the company rightfully fired him

panamared1 · Answer

She should have moved

I don't think this is sexual harassment do you?

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