I don't think this is sexual harassment do you?

[BeachMe]

This is a true situation that happened. An IT guy was called into work on a woman's computer and had to work on wires and get under her desk. she remained seated. She said he looked up her skirt and he was fired for sexual harassment. I am a female who worked at the same company and know both parties. I do not put up with sexual harassment. However, when someone has to work on wires lean over my desk, If I don't want to be seen, I STAND UP. Maybe he was admiring her nice shoes, or maybe he looked up and that was what was right in front of him. Again, why didn't she stand up when he had to get under her desk. Do you think this is grounds to ask he be fired?

[globetrotter22]

I wonder if he asked her to move away from the desk while he worked and she said no. I also wonder if he admitted looking at her inappropriately or denied it. I wonder if he even looked at her inappropriately at all but instead noticed something else like you mentioned (her shoes)

Anyway there is a zeitgeist in society right now that “the woman is never wrong” and when it doubt shoot the guy first and ask questions later. These companies are more afraid of being getting negative mass media and/or litigation that almost always favors feminism. So they will take the easy route and screw over men because they know there is a lesser chance he would win a wrongful termination lawsuit They also know the media is less likely to care about him vs him not getting fired and her complaining about alleged sexual harassment.

Not to say this guy might of something creepy and sexually harassing. If he really did that he should of been disciplined. He might of looked at her panties and said something (very stupid).

Anyway it sounds like her word was automatically taken over his with no questions asked. That’s wrong. Very wrong.

[BeachMe]

This is what I know: Head of Departments have IT peoples cell - stupid but the guys are on call and not issued company phones.
I was out taking care of a very very sick family member. I had an issue, he took call & walked me how to fix issue. He didn't leave me out to dry. He knew it would hurt the company leaving my account down - he didn't do it. says something about his character. Then he told me he had been fired. POINT: I only know one side of story, but he was kind enough to do a job he didn't need to do.

[globetrotter22]

Honestly I hope he get a lawyer and sues that company into next week. Unless there were other witnesses (sounds like there wasn’t) than they just took her word over his.

Guys got to stop accepting this blatant discrimination and do something about. Until they start fighting pack then companies will take the perceived “safe route” and punish the man first. Men need to make unsafe for companies to pull this bs.

[globetrotter22]

@BeachMe do you still talk to this guy?

[BeachMe]

Not anymore. He’s a nice guy but we were just co-workers.

[Alex8736]

First of all out of OSHA safety guidelines if he is working on wires she should not be at her terminal due to a slight chance of being electrocuted. Secondly were there any witnesses who heard him make any comments to her? With the 2 theories in place the best option was have her sit at a different workstation. I wasn't there so I can't judge but if he was doing his job and got terminated on the spot prior to a possible investigation from corporate security to mediate. Instead of contacting a lawyer he should go to the States Attorney general's office and file unfair termination by means of discrimination

[BullShark]

Seems to me like she had this whole thing planned out and maybe this is what she wanted all along. I don't really think this is sexual harassment either, in all honesty. The way I see it, he was just doing his job and she got him fired just for the heck of it because of some power move bs.

If it were me, I'd have politely asked her to move aside and stand up for a while and made up an excuse that I might accidentally bump into her because she is, quite literally, in my way. If she doesn't move, despite me asking her to, then that's clearly on her, and I shouldn't be held responsible if she thinks (emphasis on think) that I so much as sneaked a glance up her skirt. If I'm there to do a job, that's all that's on my mind and I couldn't care less or care at all about what color panties she's wearing.

This is why a lot of the men nowadays don't trust their female colleagues in the workplace, and I'm not trying to point fingers by saying that all women are like this, but I do feel like a lot of women know they can get away with stuff like this because it's usually their word against the man's, so they use it to their advantage. I really do hope the ones in charge in your work place do a more thorough check on what really happened here and hold the woman responsible.

[sage2021]

You see how easy it is for these bitches to get guys fired from their job, lose their livelihood, probably ruined their chance of getting another job, and for what?
She should be the one to be fired for giving the guy a beaver shot and not getting up and stand clear away from her work area until he was finished. Bitch be crazy! If I were him I would sue her for what she did to ruin his life. She doesn't even know for sure if he looked up her smelly skirt or not. She's probably fugly and desperate for attention.
This was not sexual harassment! This was a case of not getting her lazy ass up out of her chair until he was finished working there.

[yucychan]

I do not think it was sexual harassment but did the company conduct a proper investigation before firing the IT guy?

Just curious, why didn't the IT guy inform the lady to move while he worked on the wires under the desk? Wouldn't it make his work easier as well?

[FunkyMonkee]

No! She SHOULD'VE stood up or at least turned her chair the other way!! Besides, what could he have POSSIBLY seen that he couldn't have seen on the beach? Is she also gonna stir shit with guys looking there on the beach?
I was in the ER at the hospital the other day and, while I was sitting there, some old woman was wheeled in (in a wheelchair) wearing a knee-length black & white striped dress and, as they were signing her in at the desk 10' away from me, her knees were pointed in my direction. I happened to look over to see if it was anyone I knew and got a clear shot all the way up her dress! ALL I SAW WAS LEGS!!

I only looked for that initial second or two and then they wheeled her over next to my chair. Eventually, they pushed over to the other side of the room almost giving me another clear shot up her dress and I was temped to tell her that she should either pull her dress down a bit, if she could, or put something over her knees so people couldn't see up her dress. But, chances are, had I done that, it would've probably gotten ME in trouble for some kind of similar sexual harassment deal so, I just let it slide!! You can't even be nice to people, these days, without getting shit for it!!

[sage2021]

@FunkyMonkee Since she was at the he hospital they should have given her one of those toasty blankets they cover you up with.
Maybe she did I on purpose for male attention 👁️👁️. Some of these chicks now a days seem kinda desperate for male attention. I guess they are finally realizing a lot of men don't want a woman anymore, she it's slim pickens out there.
Oh, maybe she was there for some kind of female would Infection. Just sayin'.

[FunkyMonkee]

@sage2021 About an hour later, the girl that signed her in got a stack of them and started handing them out to whoever wanted them but, she never took one.
I don't think she did it for attention. she looked like she was in her late 60's or 70's.
It's not that we don't want them, anymore, it's that they are either making themselves unavailable or they are the kind that'd have a guy arrested just because he glanced at her from across the room for half a second! They've become too weird and vindictive over nothing! I hardly even bother anymore because they're either all spoken for or are feminazis and don't actually WANT a real relationship!!
Well, when they wheeled her up to me, I said hi to her and she responded in kind and that was the entire conversation.

[rtj1211]

This is why men increasingly have contempt for feminist women in places of work.

This sort of toxic nonsense has no place in a place of work.

What was the woman doing even within 5 metres of the desk?

Let the IT guy fix the problem, then return.

[BeachMe]

totally agree. I stand up and back away from my desk. Don't want to put either one of us in a bad position. Unless she wanted to be looked at, she should move away. If she wanted to be looked at... don't report it... I question her intentions. Yes, I do know her

[Red_Arrow]

If she was wearing pants, then obviously it was not. Assuming she was not, then perhaps she was in a text conversation and should have asked him to wait till it was done. Otherwise, she should have moved from the desk as he worked. If she did not care if he looked, she definitely should not have reported him as she set him up. Guys will look if a gal has a short dress or a low cut or open top. So she would not wear those, so why remain at the desk he had to work under?

[BeachMe]

agree

[Googlemyahoo]

Did he stick his nose in her crotch?

Paper mill I worked hired a girl. I ended up training her. It was pathetic how many people came through my area pretending to come see me. She was like wow you’re popular guy. I explained not knowing who most were they just wanted to check her out.

Anyways one day the gate security called for her. I passed the phone and she started talking and immediately looked alarmed. Ask whats up she said that another employee this fucking guy that looked like gollum called the guard shack from his home saying he needed keys to her house he was doing work there.

Legitimately stalking there. She was freaking out crying. They suspended the guy 2 weeks but kept them working in the same area.

[JPresidente]

She should have gotten up OR he should have asked nicely if she could stand up and moved aside. It’s hard to say for sure if he definitely stared or gawked at her under the desk while he did his work as I wasn’t there but I guess they gave her the benefit of the doubt and fired him. If I were him, I would consider suing the employer for wrongful termination if he is willing to be deposed and admit he did not look at her the at way and perhaps has a witness that can attest to it. Seems a bit over the top to me at first glance. A sincere apology “might” have better resolved the issue.

[Missgingles]

I dont think he should have gotten fired unless he lifted up her skirt or put his head between her legs. I mean he just did his job. This is a clear example of female privlige in the Western world.

[PeteBy]

Agree with you. She should have and more importantly any woman worth their salt would have walked away from her desk.

It's in her personal space and most women would be more than aware that she's wearing a skirt and a man on the floor under her desk would be awkward.

Too easy for these things to happen. There's a gorgeous cleaner at our company and she goes in the manager's office a few times a week. As soon as she goes in, he comes out. Clearly trying to avoid any chance of her accusing him of anything. Very similar situation. If he stays in the office and she claims he was ogling her body/touching her inappropriately then it's his word against hers. Better to remove yourself from that situation. In your case of the woman, she should have removed herself as she knew he had to go under her desk.

[MCheetah]

It wasn't sexual harassment and that sounds like that b*tch set him up on purpose and just lied about the whole thing. Why would she remain seated if she was worried about that? Why wouldn't she get up and move out of the way, to begin with? He shouldn't have been fired.

[Friendlybro79]

@mcheetah I do not always agree with you, although I always appreciate your passionately detailed well articulated responses, but I think this is a definite possibility.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

If I was an IT man I wouldn't look up a woman's skirt. It could be a form of some kind of sexually inappropriate but not harassment unless he made comments to her. I can't see him being fired but anything happens nowadays?

[BeachMe]

agree, if he said something inappropriate that is a different story altogether

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@BeachMe Yes most certain

[OlderThanILook]

Nah she should be getting in trouble for indecent exposure. I work in IT. When I have to go into the office to work on something, I don't want none of them nasty ass bitches in my workspace. If a woman was wearing a skirt and I needed to get under her desk, I'd tell her to gtfo if she didn't move. Nobody wants to see that spoiled roast beef sandwich.

[pizzalovershouse]

Not fired but he should of told her to move an she ether got mad cuz undies were skimpy an its comn sense to move out of the way cuz what if the wire got broke an she an him both got shocked an another thing say it was a girl doing work like that an she was checking his pants for a bulge could he get her fired

[Gollum]

Keep this up ladies and you're gonna find yourself completely devoid of men. I get that sexual harassment sucks and should be dealt with, no discussion. But lately this has taken dimensions that are just impossible and often confusing to men. Can one ask a lady out? Or are you harassing her? Depends if she likes you or not. But how is one to know?

Now one to your story. First of all why the fuck did she not get up when he has to work under the table in the first place? That's so rude and inconsiderate, seems more like she wanted to provoke him into looking, see if she gets any attention. And the fact that he gets fired for a mere glance, I seriously doubt she suffered any great emotional damage.

Well good luck finding another good IT technician I would never want to work for a shit company like this.

[Chazmatazz269]

If what you shared is the entirety of the information available, it’s wrongful termination. Unfortunately, laws and societal standards are racing hard left right now and he has zero recourse. She could have stripped completely nude and if he so much as peeked he’d still be fired and he’ll probably never work again. Women can do no wrong and men can do no right.

[Lliam]

If she continued to sit at her desk while he was trying to work under it, she did it deliberately. She knew what she was doing.
Who knows if the guy actually looked under her dress.
I think she's an evil bitch.

[Aerissa_Jade]

He should have asked her to move and then if she didn't, I can't say that would be sexual harassment but then again the training my company makes us do every year, is focused on if it is unwanted. You ask them not to and if they persist, that is that.

Doesn't sound like she even asked him not to.

[Anonymous]

The HILARIOUS part about this story is that if you were to buy into any of the arguments about sexual harassment OTHER THAN "it's only something guys can do to girls" SHE'D be the one getting fired. Let's review:

Who has "greater power" in a corporate setting? The IT monkey or the person calling him to do her bidding?

If the situation were reversed and a GUY asked an IT chick to work under his desk and he didn't bother getting up, so she's just down there with her head by his junk, who is harassing whom?

[DJB72]

I spend a lot of time in a wheelchair these days. That puts women's boobs at eye level for me. If you walk up to me and start talking to me standing close to me I'm basically going to be staring you in the nipple. Not because I particularly want to, but because that's literally shoved in my face.

Actually in the situation you describe, she's guilty of sexual harassment by sitting with her crotch in his face. He's got a case for sexual harassment and unfair dismissal to six figures

[AviatorTom]

That sounds more like entrapment. She set up a situation where she could convince someone that he looked up her skirt. She should have moved away so he could work under her desk in peace. Plus, this would not normally be grounds for firing... maybe reassignment or days off without pay, but firing is too harsh.

[ohsheeT]

I would have fired them both for not having common sense that's so ridiculous the guy has to get under her desk and if she's going to sit right there in her chair while he's doing it that's on her and if he's not going to say hey look lady I'm going to be getting underneath your desk here you might want to take a break or stand up because I'm going to need all the room I can get if one got fired they should both get fired

[Middleman]

No I don't think so. In fact it's possible he could contest the firing as 'unfair dismissal' under a tribunal. Logically she should have moved, gone to get a drink or stand up if someone was going to work on the computer (that's what most people would do). It shouldn't be the technicians fault if his intent was to get work done.