u 1. Not all men hate strong, opinionated women.
2. Some women hate strong, opinionated men. There is not really a gender divide on this issue.
3. Some strong, opinionated women are full of anger and rage, and are simply waiting for a convenient target upon which to unload. What rational person would want to stand around waiting for a shitstorm?
4. Even if they are not raging lunatics, "strong, opinionated" women can be self-centered and unwilling to compromise on anything. Relationships are supposed to be fun, not battles.
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Not all men. Strong confident woman are my jam. Why would i expect less from women than my male friends?
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Si like strong but strong combined w emotional more pain.
Men don't hate actually strong women. Men hate weak women who constantly proclaim that they are strong and superior, and blame men whenever they fail, and further blame men when those men don't rush in to save them.
Men also don't have any interest in being in a relationship with women who act like men or have male priorities and goals. Such a woman provides zero value to a man - in fact, provides negative value, because she is only going to bring competition and conflict into his life. Men want to be in relationships with WOMEN, *feminine* women with *feminine* values and priorities.
Understand that we don't care if a woman wants to have male priorities and pursuits - we're simply going to treat such women the same way we treat a man, which means we won't see them as women, and they'll get no special treatment or chivalry. We'll largely just ignore them, because, socially, they've chosen to be irrelevant to men. If she's competent in her career, we can appreciate her as a coworker, but that's where it ends (exactly the same as with the vast majority of men we encounter in business).
But when these male-oriented women decide to attack men - which is normally done not directly, but by creating anti-male policies, or by shutting men out of positions or promotions that they've earned just to meet some quota, or when they intentionally destroy men's-only spaces, then, yeah, we're going to fight back, and it's going to get ugly.
As a woman, you can be however you want to be - but you don't get to decide what men desire or accept into their lives. If you want to be DESIRED or ACCEPTED by MEN, then you need to behave in such a way that we find desirable and acceptable. If you don't want to do that, fine, but don't expect to get any love from men. You're strong and independent, right? Then go be strong and independent on your own, and leave us alone.
You don't get to have it both ways, and you especially don't get to pick and choose what you want to be moment by moment, whatever happens to benefit you most at that time. Nope. We don't play that way. You pick your path, and you stay on that path. Each path has benefits and liabilities, and you need to accept the consequences of your choice.
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That’s been an issue since the early 1920s with the Women’s Sufferage and the first “wave” of feminisim during that time then again, came in even stronger during the 1960s to 1980s when women demanded equality, diversity and social activism. So there’s your history, cliff notes version… but without bringing in politics, I will say that there’s a clear the types of men who exhibit this behavior of intimidation. It’s actually ironic that this “minority” of men want to project dominance or control, yet what truly drives their resentment is insecurity. They crave validation and authority but feel threatened when a woman doesn’t need them to lead, fix, or define her. It’s not strength they despise—it’s what her independence reflects back at them: their own lack of confidence. These men often confuse partnership with submission, mistaking equality for emasculation. Ironically, the very qualities they claim to want—intelligence, confidence, and emotional resilience—become the ones they resent once they realize those traits mean they can’t manipulate or outshine her.
It’s not so much “hate” though. It also sends mixed signals to the good men who are traditionally minded for as little as opening doors, giving flowers and that really fine but unclear line about when to call when you get the woman’s number… while this chivalry is (supposed to) ingrained into men through their families, many men are met with hostility when a woman says “I can get my own door, pay for my own things, don’t need a man, etc” but then see all the social videos where women say: “all men are the same” and “where has all the romance/chivalry gone?” Worse yet, there’s a few girls on IG that really drive their abruptness to the max (word for word): “I don’t appreciate guys who look at me and try to talk to me, unless I want them to”… seems a bit contradictory don’t you think, esp when she posts videos of her only wearing revealing clothes, spouting off her rhetoric and targeting the guys who are her ideal men (6’+, 6 pack abs and 6 figure salary… plus a 6”). But this is the precedence that men have to live with and the examples that they approach the opposite sex.
Men don’t hate strong women. We hate “strong” women who like to throw it in people’s faces. Just like the dude who always talks about he got this, he got that, I have so much money. It’s annoying. She can be strong w out being verbal. If you as a person have to tell others you’re strong, you’re independent, then chances are you’re really not. When a person of great strength, importance walks into a room, people just know it w out them having to command respect. A lot of these so-called strong, independent women are just obnoxious who like to argue. They tend to use their power against men. For instance when a female police officer tries to confront a male she will tend to abuse her powers. Yes some men do the same. You see a lot of women on social media who say they’re strong, independent saying I tell it like it is. But they’re yelling, screaming, arguing back. That’s not being strong, that’s just being obnoxious. A lot of times women who say they’re boss bitches usually express male traits. No man wants to date another man personality wise. Just like lesbian relationships. You very rarely see two hot feminine women dating. One is usually feminine, the other is usually butch. Yes there are some exceptions. Don’t mistake hate of “strong, independent” women by men for what she really is. Obnoxious!
Challenging Traditional Concepts: Some traditional beliefs hold that women should be gentle, submissive, and family-oriented. Opinionated, independent women challenge these stereotypes, making some men uncomfortable or uneasy.
Loss of Power and Control: Some men may be accustomed to being dominant and controlling in relationships. Opinionated, independent women have their own ideas and opinions and are not easily controlled, which can make these men feel threatened.
Damaged Self-Esteem: Some men may lack confidence and fear being outshined by more capable women. Opinionated, independent women are often more confident and capable, which can undermine their self-esteem.
Communication Difficulties: Communicating with opinionated individuals requires patience and skill, as well as mutual respect and understanding. Some men may lack these communication skills or be unwilling to invest the time to communicate.
Fear of Rejection: Opinionated, independent women often have their own standards and expectations and are not easily impressed. Some men, fearing rejection, may simply avoid dating such women. Personal preference: Everyone has their own preferences. Some people just like gentle and submissive women, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Define 'strong'.
I define 'strong' when it comes to gender as in the one who fully and better seeks to understand their potentials for themselves (as gender givens), mixed the part of them being people as well. All within understanding life all over.
Rather those 'strong' of any gender would just be some people out there narrow-minded with some idealistic ideas or probably overreacting to some sort of phenomena due to an experience they had and can't fully understand or comprehend of how to properly deal with. So understand life and things properly, and you'll be another great person as those who have preceeded you in history already.
(Der lauf der dinge). Learn How things work patterns of life.
Like the Germans say, don't say bad weather. Rather bad preparation.
Lacking that makes you rather an nuisance. I don't care if you call yourself strong or not. You're rather weak for not fully learning and searching and taking the easy path just forcing your opinion all over.
I stand by the fact that women have choice to use their voice and use it to be heard, along with them being autonomous not needing to rely on a man.
The only issue I have in terms of empowering women, is the same for empowering men.
I tend to see more toxicity. Like the same toxic masculinity but in female form (not all women and not all men, simply being masculine or feminine isn’t toxic necessarily).
Some of them become narcissistic in character, aggressive and belittling also attacking the other gender for superiority along with making careless decisions based on the notion if they ask for help from anyone especially the other gender it will be a sign of weakness.
This toxic culture takes its form everywhere, not just in men now.
Speaking up, raising your voice, being your own person is good. Though pushing this culture towards what made men’s traits seem “toxic” is now poisoning women of society too.
Women are important, aren’t just housewives or dressing room assistants or flight attendants like back in the day. They are politicians, lawyers, judges and I say that is better for society as a whole and better for both women and men.
Well, a lot of us do not want a quiet submissive woman with no thoughts of her own. We don't want an adult child to follow us around and take care of. We'd much rather be with a woman we can respect.
Here's the flip side of your "strong woman" question. I've seen a LOT of women posting crap on social media declaring themselves to be a "Strong Woman". Apparently they seem to believe the declaration makes it true. But they demonstrate zero accountability and every indication they have the maturity of a 12 year old spoiled brat. Being loud and obnoxious and stupid does not make you a "Strong Woman". It makes you an assclown who no one takes seriously.
I agree with what you said, I don't need to say that I am strong just because I want to convince myself and other that I am.
That's not true at all. We, or I at least, am attracted to feminine women. That's not of necessity meaning being meek, lacking self confidence and not having an opinion. I don't want a bimbo, I want a woman with a voice. However, being loud, aggressive, bringing drama or inanity into my life, is not attractive, and I'd rather be single than put up with that claptrap. Women are supposed to be the fairer sex.
And as @MrOracle says, and to reiterate, any woman who persues masculine goals such as a materialistic 'career' is not attractive. A woman should not be overtly worldly, at least in my opinion.
Because whenever a woman calls herself a strong woman that's code for "I'm a bitch." Woman that really are strong independent and don't need a man to function don't brag about it on social media because they don't need the validation of strangers because they already have confidence from their own accomplishments. Women that really are strong and independent don't flaunt it they live it the same is true of men. Men who overhype their ability's come across as annoying assholes to the rest of us.
u Because the "strong woman" archetype usually translates to or can be easily interpreted as unbelievably and unbearably annoying. If a woman wants to have an opinion on something, fine. But she has to understand that most marriage-minded men will probably want to find a woman who is supportive and encouraging, who will bring peace and stability to his life, and will have the same values as he does so they can raise their children in unison with each other and not someone with the mindset of "I am woman, hear me roar".
At work I need to build collaborative working relationships and to motivate. My whole employment depends on formulating plans, generating acceptance of challenging difficult plans and to make colleagues feel proud of what the have they have achieved.
Discretionary effort is very important in virtual teams and at times it might be across multiple companies. I am nobody's boss and can't order.
At least at work it is expected to to be collaborative.
I would expect at the minimum a collaborative attitude from my girl and discretionary effort as I will give her.
What you are describing is an opinionated woman who is entirely non-collaborative. I might have to work around those attitudes in my work environment but I am not going to tolerate them in my domestic situation.
If I sense them, it will not even proceed to coffee.
There's nothing wrong with a woman who's strong of course our definitions of what a strong woman are might vary.
What people in general have a problem with is women who constantly advertise that they are a strong independent woman. Those are usually the kind of women that are loud, obnoxious and incredibly annoying. Those are weak/insecure women who proclaim they are strong to feel better about themselves or who are delusional. They need the attention, control and validation.
A genuinely strong person be they a man or a woman doesn't have to advertise what they are, they know what they are and they are confident in themselves. They don't need the entire world to know about it 24/7.
I have dated and interacted with numerous genuinely strong women over the years and I have never hated a single one of them many of them were fantastic people.
Woman can have their opinion but often those woman think they should decide everything and they constantly bring negative energy with them.
Men are born and designed to lead and protect. Nature designed us that way.
Sadly those woman you call strong and independent aren't pleasant to be around with because to constantly bring unnecessary arguments with them which are unnoying af.
They often call themselves strong but I'm still wondering what they mean with that because physically they aren't strong and mentally not aswell because I still haven't seen anyone of them signing up to go to war to defend their countries.
In my opinion these woman are to self absorbed and nagging to much
We don't necessarily hate them, we would rather not be with them. Life is full of choices and those women aren't our first choice. If you're strong and independent and like sharing your opinions, that's fine but you don't need men so we move on to someone who doesn't want to be strong and independent all the time.
Being independent doesn't mean that a woman doesn't want to be with a man
That's fine but it doesn't make you desirable. It's not a relationship skill. Being independent isn't a green flag or a red flag, so if your best asset is you're independent then it's nothing and a guy will move on. Being independent and self sufficient to survive on your own is a minimum requirement and a basic life skill not something to be celebrated as an achievement.
I am not saying you need to be celebrated for being independent, here a lot of men don't want indipendent women, so they can be easier to control , that's all I am saying
An insecure man would feel the need to control a woman but secure men don't. Secure and confident men pass on woman who announce they are strong and independent too but they would date women who display strong and independent traits without having to tell everyone. Some women will proudly proclaim their strength and independence and still scream when they see a spider or mouse. That is not strong and independent in any guys mind.
that's fair, but being scared of spider or rats doesn't make a woman less indipendent... lol I saw a lot of men scream for a spider, and none of them look less indipendent in my eyes.
Men don't hate strong women, it just they don't want to deal with drama queens acting like stubborn brats..
You give a man logic and he will have no issues.
And the major problem is it's not really opinion because opinions can change if someone tries to explain logic on certain thing the unwillingness to accept it is the problem.
If you have your own system and self autonomous and you take responsibility of it then nobody would care only when men know that something is about to be screwed up and they would have to deal with then they would object.
Because more often than not, you really *aren't*. "Opinionated" is hardly "strong". Often it is just very weak, like toddlers and tantrums. And "autonomous" doesn't mean using men like ATMs.
Moreover, opting out isn't "hating"; it is just deciding that such women - indeed, such people in general - just are not for us.
I dint need to treat a man as an ATM I can be autonomous on my own
Fair enough, I salute you then.
Men DON'T hate strong women. They hate weak minded women who only think they are strong.
The type of rats to say "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best". No, you fucking psycho, that's your lack of mental health care showing.
The problem is, those "opinionated" and "autonomous" women tend to be abusive more often than not. This is primarily due to the fact that "their" opinions are usually just man-hating feminist propaganda. Therefore, the men have quickly learned that an "opinionated" and "autonomous" woman is a red flag the size of the Soviet banner over the Reichstag in May 1945.
No, I don't hate strong women, nor do most men... any more than women hate strong men. Mostly though, "strong" women and men are phoneys who use displays of assertive behaviour to compensate for underlying feelings of inadequacy. The pretence is a form of self-hatred. Their tormented souls crave the nurturing denied them as infants. They develop assertive traits to soothe inner pain. More extreme cases express themselves as cluster B personality disorders - narcissism and psychopathy.
Here is the issue. There is a HUGE difference from being opinionated and being argumentative and combative. I have no issue discussing rationally any opinion with anyone however in most cases women who I have met that consider themselves opinionated are just combative and wanting to argue for the sake of just arguing. It gets exhausting.
What is it about you where that chatacteristic that you dont seem to he attracted to is finding you?
In certain aspects men are comfortable with being complacent, self mediocrity, with a sense of insecurity. You wish you could have been her in her druve or motivation or lifestyle that she was brave enough to pursue.
Why do so many women think they are "strong?" Are they using a dictionary of opposites, or the dictionary of delusion?
Most men are fine with women having opinions, the problem is often when the women have incorrect opinions, are proven wrong, and still have those same opinions no matter how many times they are w=shown they are wrong, which is a lot.
Even referring to a woman as "strong and independent" is inaccurate for MOST American women.
Strong? You mean promiscuous? Whose character is to go out and drink, whose God is their job and their own selfishness? Who pierce themselves and get tattoos everywhere proving how damaged they are?
Feminine women who want to have families and husbands are how nature makes most women when you don't have birth control pills and feminism telling them being whores is empowerment and a fulfilling life.
I like high character, honorable women.
we don't hate "strong women". we hate boasting "boss ass bitches" who brag about being "independend" which is a bare miminum human ability and nothing special or "strong" at all as if everyone had to be proud for them just for that.
I dislike masculine women that dont know how to play the background and let a man be the leader. Strong in itself isn't bad until you over step, if you being a woman dont know how to balance being strong with being a good wife, then you got issues you need to tend to. You can be a good wife and be strong. The difference is the when and why.
Feminism teaches masculinity to women
I don't think men hate strong women. They just don't like women who are toxic, obnoxious, and/or disrespectful. I know a lot of strong women in my life. Some of them are very successful with men, others not so much. Even I can tell the difference.
Are you talking about gymthots or nagging feminists? Gym thots that actually lift a lot of weight for their size are probably cool, I’ve never dated one but I had a few chase me. They were actually pretty decent women, surprisingly feminine. However I’ve dated nagging feminist types, only feminine in bed, but annoying in all other aspects.
Weak men will always hate strong women. It is not had to figure out.
For me personally, I love a confident woman who speaks her mind. But I also love a connection. You have to keep listening to each other. If that doesn't happen, confidence becomes overconfidence. I like a strong woman, but I hate disrespect.
Some men may feel threatened by strong, opinionated women bcause it challenges their insecurities n societal expectations..
But a truly mature man values independence n thoughtful opinions, real connections are built on respect, not control..
They don't hate strong women. Strong men typically want strong women. They only hate women who go out of their way to mention that they are strong women. That's a major red flag for a feminist which is a huge negative.
Who ever wrote this question doesn't know about men. Lol
Maybe I don't know about men that live where you live, but maybe you don't know the men that I know or the place where I live...
some might be raised that they have to be the strong one or the one to lead, other times it could just be insecurities, another reason is they might actually like it but they’re not used to seeing it. so that leads to resorting to other girls because comfort is where most people go
Men don't hate strong women. But far too many women believe that being aggressive, rude and generally unpleasant makes them strong.
Being a gigantic bitch openly displaying your hate of men doesn't make you strong, it just makes you a bitch.
Id say "hate" is a strong word and I think that SOME men not all, find strong or independent women intimidating especially if they think that a man has to be a bread winner and a woman should stay at home.
That’s about all I could come up with as well. A strong and confident woman is loved I would think by most guys. That’s a great partner for life.
I love my strong wife and strong women. Weak men hate strong women. We all must be strong... but respectful. I wish we could all be strongly working for the betterment all, especially those that cannot fight for themselves.
Men don’t “hate” strong women. Men just hate women who feel the need to go around telling people they are “strong”.
A truly strong woman (or man) doesn’t go around showcasing their narcissism.
I don't hate strong women, but men tend to prefer women who obey and not threaten them.
We don't all hate strong women. I like a woman who can take care of herself, makes it easier on me. I was married to one for 20 years, amicably divorced, and married to another for 9 years and counting.
why do you assume all men and guys hate strong women? I met a girl once online who told me all masculine males are evil and should be killed, her exact words not mine. She identified herself as a strong independent feminist. But women will condone that behaviour and say yay! Girl power! That’s pathetic. Fathers clearly didn’t teach their daughters anything either.
Why do women like you conflate men hating insufferable women with hating strong women?
Seriously, 9 times out of 10, when a woman screams about being strong and independent, it's really just a smoke screen masking that she's just an insufferable bitch, and not worth the attention she thinks she deserves.
Also this question specifically has been asked to death on here, over and over again. Ask something original.
I actually like strong women (if they are my type).
By strong I mean sporty, dominant and athletic (fit & toned, not extremely muscular);
and mentally & emotionally strong: Self-confident, assertive, not shy, like to take initiative.
I need someone that can function on their own.
Im gone a lot, at times I work out of town and I just don't have the time to hold someone's hand all day.
They need to be able to function on their own.
because actually strong woman don't sproute nonsense about this things like you are doing right now.
I am just asking a question, because in my reality men are like that, you donn't need to be passive aggressive and tell me that what I wrote is nonsense, but if you think this is nonsense, why did you decide to waste your time and answer this?
You implied I am not a strong woman because of a question, lol. The change did nothing lol
They aren't hated just avoided because they are not interested in growing tf up and learning to listen.
A woman doesn't to shut up, just because you are an insecure man that doesn't like when a woman has an opinion and try to be on your same level... this shows insecurity
No one likes “opinionated” people in general. Regardless of their sex. If you look up the definition you will understand why.
As for being a strong woman, how do you define, “strong”? Your version may vary from anyone else’s.
I think it's mostly because they aren't so much strong as they are try hards. it was probably a reaction to systemic oppression of women in the past. nowadays it's stupid. and in many areas of the world women were never systematically oppressed a single day since 50000000 years ago
Here's a clue. (Start it at 3:00.)
Most men love a strong woman, but not someone who thinks being a b! tch and acting like you don't need people (especially men) is strong.. Not to mention acting as if women are superior..
'Strong woman' usually means a man-hating feminist. Men want a peaceful home life, not someone that will argue with them about everything. Also, 'strong women' often try to prove they are strong by doing annoying things.
Gives the "Why don't you wanna be a RR-Real man and step up for me and Jamal" vibes that single moms give.🤣
"Men" don't hate strong women; we love them. Boys or weak guys posing as men hate strong women because they won't be controlled like puppets.
It’s fine to be strong, just don’t be overbearing about it. People can tell you’re strong by mannerisms. Don’t need to throw it in our faces a lot. Yes some men too have huge egos All of that puts off people
Don't hate them, but as a 5'81/2",200-lb. dude, why would I want a broad who can throw me over her shoulders and body slam me?( I'd LOVE it were she a slim, buxom babe, but there's only a one in a million chance of that happening !!!)
Because someone capable of pushing back or taking control makes them feel lesser.
insecurities, low self esteem, and a supremacy complex
There's a difference between feminine and masculine strength. Men generally don't like it when a woman tries to project masculine strength because it usually comes off as unnatural. I want a woman who will make me really think through my opinions and decisions but I don't want her to do it the way my father or brother would for example.
men don't hate strong women
men absolutely love Tulsi Gabbard who is the definition of a strong woman but most women who claim to be strong women aren't anything close to Tulsi
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