Good point - abs are only an indicator of EXTREME effort - and so a cry for help. Nobody sane goes to that level of muscle over a healthy amount of spare energy in fat.
Abs have nothing to do with a healthy body. It's just overworked muscles and a shit tonne of narcissism. I only try to have it flat but I don't even workout, just eat healthy.
What if I'm naturally below 10% even if I eat lot of food, do you still think it's unhealthy for me, or I'm one of the few who can be low bodyfat and be healthy
Interesting. In my case, my legs are completely shredded with no fat at all, and all my fat is held in my upper body and face.
Lower chest, lower back and right under the belly button.
My legs can get super hard and I still have a tiny amount on my stomach.
My face and obliques lean out first, then my pecks and my lower back and belly o last but by then I'm getting into dangerous territory.
Part of the problem is that I also genetically only have 4 ab separations. They are fully visible but they are bunched together at the top.
Unfortunately I am just one of those people with just a four pack. 🤷🏻♂️ Otherwise my insertions for arms, legs and shoulders are good. My chest is a little odd though, I have trouble hitting the lower chest with bench press, and I don't want to do flys because I want to keep everything proportional using only the bench press for pushing.
I only do compound lifts except for targeting the rear delts. I could never get those damn things.
Yeah, I do first back, shoulders, glutes, calfs and back legs, then I do chest, abs, front legs, then tge last workout is biceps, triceps and forearms plus 2 other bodyparts I think are lacking. I also do high intensity cardio at the end of my workout and I go 1-2 times a week to the gym.
That's the issue - it isn't that you can't achieve the very sculpted belly and just skin covering it, it is that once you are in that shape you notice you really cannot exert much strength for any duration of time without starting to feel dizzy (whereas with just a bit of fat under the skin you simply can go for at least those two hours that normally trained body (not extreme athletics) can sustain). You can compensate for that by sugar and time-targeted calories, but in all I know, most women get intimidated by that perfect abs thing - it's just too perfect, too much (and probably evolutionary linked to someone who has done a great job but is now exhausted and at risk of starvation, so not very wise with their effort distribution)
@soleil2666 I tend to agree with this. But I think there's slightly more to it.
I think the face is the indicator rather than the abs.
When the face has just the right amount of fat to fill in the cheeks but be thin everywhere else it looks really good. Gain just a tiny percentage more body-fat and all the sudden your face looks a lot worse and older, bloated and droopy. Staying right in that sweet spot is the key I think.
I also think there's this thing about actually bouncing up and down %. Evolutionarily this would be 'go out hunting, run a deficit.' Come back with food and visible abs. Eat it. No abs at bedtime. Wake up, repeat cycle. We were persistence hunters afterall.
That last bit does sound about right, very well thought through - at Christmas time you eat, then it will be back hunting soon enough - and those cycles do come and go. Merry Christmas by the way 🎄
Yeah, the complaints from girls that there is an unrealistic beauty standard for them is completely missing out on the same stupid standards being pushed on men
I agree with you. Don't pay attention to the idiots down-voting who are jealous they can't effectively get below 20% body fat because of their inability to lay off the cheese and steak.
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I'm trying to get mine to show soon!! Christmas diet is making it hard thoooooo.
"These magazine covers are actually quite disturbing" uhhhh... I stopped taking you seriously after you said this.
Good point - abs are only an indicator of EXTREME effort - and so a cry for help.
Nobody sane goes to that level of muscle over a healthy amount of spare energy in fat.
Abs have nothing to do with a healthy body. It's just overworked muscles and a shit tonne of narcissism. I only try to have it flat but I don't even workout, just eat healthy.
What if I'm naturally below 10% even if I eat lot of food, do you still think it's unhealthy for me, or I'm one of the few who can be low bodyfat and be healthy
You don't look below 10% to me. You just have developed ab muscles. Below 10% is everything as thin as the skin on the side of your wrists.
There would be lacerations showing. You look 10-15% to me.
You may also hold body fat in your legs instead of the upper body.
Maybe I'm 10% but is hard to say based on photos, I have the same amout bodyfat on my legs than I have on my torso.
Interesting. In my case, my legs are completely shredded with no fat at all, and all my fat is held in my upper body and face.
Lower chest, lower back and right under the belly button.
My legs can get super hard and I still have a tiny amount on my stomach.
My face and obliques lean out first, then my pecks and my lower back and belly o last but by then I'm getting into dangerous territory.
Part of the problem is that I also genetically only have 4 ab separations. They are fully visible but they are bunched together at the top.
Unfortunately I am just one of those people with just a four pack. 🤷🏻♂️ Otherwise my insertions for arms, legs and shoulders are good. My chest is a little odd though, I have trouble hitting the lower chest with bench press, and I don't want to do flys because I want to keep everything proportional using only the bench press for pushing.
I only do compound lifts except for targeting the rear delts. I could never get those damn things.
Yeah, I do first back, shoulders, glutes, calfs and back legs, then I do chest, abs, front legs, then tge last workout is biceps, triceps and forearms plus 2 other bodyparts I think are lacking. I also do high intensity cardio at the end of my workout and I go 1-2 times a week to the gym.
This is only because most people are eating indigestible vegetables instead of raw organs like they should.
Everyone has abs, regardless of the body fat :D I look similar to the 18-20% dude. I don't want to burn any more than I need to.
Think? LOL People who go for that look don't have any energy reserves.
That's the issue - it isn't that you can't achieve the very sculpted belly and just skin covering it, it is that once you are in that shape you notice you really cannot exert much strength for any duration of time without starting to feel dizzy (whereas with just a bit of fat under the skin you simply can go for at least those two hours that normally trained body (not extreme athletics) can sustain).
You can compensate for that by sugar and time-targeted calories, but in all I know, most women get intimidated by that perfect abs thing - it's just too perfect, too much (and probably evolutionary linked to someone who has done a great job but is now exhausted and at risk of starvation, so not very wise with their effort distribution)
@soleil2666 I tend to agree with this. But I think there's slightly more to it.
I think the face is the indicator rather than the abs.
When the face has just the right amount of fat to fill in the cheeks but be thin everywhere else it looks really good. Gain just a tiny percentage more body-fat and all the sudden your face looks a lot worse and older, bloated and droopy. Staying right in that sweet spot is the key I think.
I also think there's this thing about actually bouncing up and down %. Evolutionarily this would be 'go out hunting, run a deficit.' Come back with food and visible abs. Eat it. No abs at bedtime. Wake up, repeat cycle. We were persistence hunters afterall.
That last bit does sound about right, very well thought through - at Christmas time you eat, then it will be back hunting soon enough - and those cycles do come and go.
Merry Christmas by the way 🎄
Yeah, the complaints from girls that there is an unrealistic beauty standard for them is completely missing out on the same stupid standards being pushed on men
No you need to good to survive not to attract women
I personally prefer the 18-20%
All 4 of those pictures are fine
I agree with you. Don't pay attention to the idiots down-voting who are jealous they can't effectively get below 20% body fat because of their inability to lay off the cheese and steak.
Neat
Thank you for the truth
Many women likes looking at men's bodies.
Yup sounds good to me
Good intake.
I'm ripped
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