Do bodybuilders eat all those vegetable servings during bulking?

[Dtegesd123]

I ask because vegetables fill me up so fast, that I have a hard time eating more than needed

[ConsultantIsBack]

Ya eat your veggies, the thing is many vegetables are fibrous so they fill you up quickly. I'm not saying make veggies an afterthought, but make protein and carbs a priority. Most guys just focus on protein and disregard carbs, which is a mistake. Both are critical. When I say carbs, I'm talking about wholesome, lower-glycemic index paleo-esque carbohydrates such as: potatoes, rice, quinoa, oats, grains. NOT "enriched" flour carbs that must be restricted just like sweets, including white pasta/white breads/pizza/pastries/pies, etc.

So for example a meal like some lean steak/eggs/chicken/fish/bison with some rice or quinoa or oats and some asparagus on the side is literally perfect. "Ectomorphs" or guys naturally thin and skinny have to eat like a fucking horse to gain weight. I was a stick in high school, I've had to work my ass off in the gym and eat like a horse to have a prayer. When I'm bulking I eat 4,000-5,000 calories a day, with multiple meals similar to what I described above. All that eating gets old, but it's just what you have to do, you can throw in some seasonings or BBQ/A1/Teriyaki sauces to keep things interesting too, I do that.

Good luck guys!

[ConsultantIsBack]

Also, about protein shakes. So supplements are to literally just simply SUPPLEMENT your diet. They should not be a primary focus. Some days I'll even just skip the shake. Focus on food, and use shakes to fill in gaps between meals. I usually will have a big shake right before bed. A shake that includes quality whey powder (not one of the walmart/muscle pharma/body fortress brands that are notorious for "amino acid spiking" which is detrimental to the purity of the product), throw in some oat powder you can get off amazon for additional carbs, use milk or liquid egg whites as your liquid base, and put in some avocado oil/olive oil for fats to boost the anabolic environment in your body to encourage quality growth. THAT is a perfect shake. Shakes like that are high protein/high quality fats, seriously a 60-90 gram of protein shake in one shot. BRING THE GAINS BABY!

[Dtegesd123]

yeah I drink protein shakes and eat everything needed, but honestly my one day max, unless I'm miserably stuffing myself is around 3000 calories. I'm 185lbs right now, 8%bf.

[ConsultantIsBack]

thanks mho

@WhiteSteve should get 3.5xper points from this since his validation gave me my credibility lol

[Dtegesd123]

Do you think you could get in the shape you are in without the protein shakes. Could you eat your daily in protein in meats or beans?

[ConsultantIsBack]

It's possible, however
again don't get tunnel vision on just protein. Ofc protein is critical, but so are wholesome carbs and fats. So, for example, i like to throw in oat powder and avocado oil into my shakes, it's all about the Big 3: Protein, Carbs, Fats.

[Dtegesd123]

yea, but to maintain muscle, isn't it at least 1 gram per pound ( is that pound of lean muscle mass or just pound )?

[ConsultantIsBack]

Yes 1 gram per pound of body weight is generally considered the minimum level of protein intake to grow and stay anabolic.
I like a 1.3x multiple myself, but that's just me. I realize I can get a little overzealous on this stuff.

[WhiteSteve]

I'm saying! GAG always wants to make all these changes... can I get an "assist" stat one time? It's like I should be running this place...😒

[ConsultantIsBack]

@WhiteSteve hahaha ya

[WhiteSteve]

Yeah, biggest problem I have is eating enough. I don't have the appetite to get all those calories in a clean fashion. I mean, I could crush a large pizza in a day, but that's obviously doing it wrong. I'm only hungry like once a day, the rest is forced eating, and I struggle to hit 2,000 calories in a given day, even with protein shakes, etc. I'm cutting right now, so it's not as bad, but I should be 250 lbs after lifting for a decade and a half, but I don't gain like I should because I simply can't eat a lot. Plus on workdays, I don't have time to stop to consume pretty much anything between 8 AM and 6 PM, also terrible for me, but it's that or quit my job.

I gotta start tagging our resident swole MF @ConsultantIsBack for these types of things, he looks like he's got it figured out. What do you do if you can't eat a lot? Killin' me, haha.

[ConsultantIsBack]

thanks for the tag

[Levin]

Dare I say, if you can't eat it, your body doesn't need it? Eating too much adversely affects your health, in my view. It's okay for a while, but it certainly isn't sustainable. I'd say if people only used hunger as a sensation for when they should eat, people would be dramatically healthier.

[Dtegesd123]

@Levin haha, we are not just trying to survive. we are trying to build extra muscle. I understand your point of view but if I only ate when I felt hungry I would be 140lbs.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Levin "I'd say if people only used hunger as a sensation for when they should eat, people would be dramatically healthier."

Nope. Wrong.

In fact, this is pretty much wrongest thing ever. This is so wrong, in so many different ways, that... I can't even.

I mean, here are just three of the ways.

#1, you're assuming that "hunger" is an internal constant, which is laughable bullshit. Hunger is about 25% internal and 75% environmental. The single biggest predictor of whether someone will feel "hungry" is the availability of food nearby.
Read that again.
The single biggest predictor of "hunger" is simply whether there's food around.
Yep.

#2, "hunger" doesn't guide people toward healthful foods. If people waited until they felt the active drive to eat, they'd mostly eat junk.

#3, for anyone who's ever been significantly above/below setpoint, "hunger" is just fucked, for life. Like, those hormones will NEVER reset themselves, just like type 2 diabetics will never have healthy (cont'd)

[redeyemindtricks]

... glucose control again.
I mean, hunger and satiation are pretty screwy even in people who've been at or near setpoint for their whole lives. For anyone who was ever significantly below or above? Forget it.

And --
#4, you are assuming that "health" is the goal here. Duh? Obviously it isn't.
Consultant is a fitness competitor. I am a fitness competitor.
The things we do are VERY obviously NOT "healthy". We eat extreme, counter-intuitive diets. During pre-comp, we eat semi-starvation diets and use every trick in the book to ignore or counteract our bodies' desperate cries of "stop!". We do all of these things to achieve a physique that lasts for about TWO HOURS. And then we go on what's practically an uncontrolled 2-week binge after the contest.

"Health" is permanent mediocrity. That's not the goal, here. Would I keep training for fun and sheer vanity if it meant 10 years off my life? Yeah, I would. Consultant probably would, too.
It's 10 years off of the shitty end part, after all.

[Levin]

@redeyemindtricks I've come to a point where, if we're not really interested in what the other person says/understanding their perspective - that's a good time to stop. Egoistic wankery is a waste of time. We all have our prejudices. I think we'll leave it at that.

[Wanderingheartbeat]

Based off what I use to cook for my brother:
Breakfast: egg whites omlete and steamed veggies on the side sprinkled with flax seed powder on top.
Lunch; bed of brown rice, meat (mainly chicken) with brocolli
Dinner: mainly some sort of meat again with vegetables.
Then protein shakes in between meals.

[sweettckae]

they eat a lot of protein powder, I knew a bodybuilder who ate a whole chicken on his own and it was for like four people. he later went to workout to gain his muscles. they do eat a lot of veggies too, especially kale, they say kale has protein. personally I hate kale so I blend it and drink it.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Yes:
-spinach
-asparagus
-broccoli
-peas
-Kale
Think anything with deep dark leafy green
Well if you wanna get bigger you have to eat more. Also if you choose to not eat vegetables it will be not only detrimental to your health but will also detract from what you gain. Vegetables have important vitamins and minerals that allow for faster recovery time.

[nalaa]

Yes, it's important that you do. Vegetables mostly don't last long as well.

[Anonymous]

I had to prep meals for my guy. Chicken breast, brown rice, and broccoli is what he ate. He ate all of his serving, like every 3 - 4 hours.

[orphan]

asparagus for vegetables.

[orphan]

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meal prep

[front2back]

They mostly eat broccoli and rice.