Does calling someone brave for getting treated for cancer make as much sense as calling a wild animal viscous for biting you after you cornered it?

[Anonymous]

I mean we give people with cancer so much appraisal for going through the treatments and it seems like an extrodinary feat, but if you think about it it's really not. prretty much everyone will do things the rest of us might consider extrordinary if their life depends on it (it does). But if we apply the logic "ignore all extenuating circumstances" elsewhere, you draw some faulty conclusions. For example, most animals just wandering around won't suddenly attack you. But if you chased the animal into a corner and it attacked you, by the same logic that animal should be considered viscous. But if you made that accusation then people would say, "it's not being viscous, it was just defending itself". Just like cancer patients aren't being bracve or heoric, they just trying to save their life by enduring the treatment.

Lastly, if you're going to say that it's "going through it with grace and carrying on with their lives is what makes them a heor" or something along those lines. Whether the animal just nipped you or ripped your hand open, it wouldn't make it any more viscous because in either case it was only defending itself.

[Avenuewriter]

Well, think about it for a second. If someone told you that a rampant disease was consuming your body and, in all likelihood, would eventually kill you or at the very least shorten your life expectancy, and the only treatments were to effectively poison yourself just enough to kill the disease or at least stave it off for a period of time? How would you take that news? Would you want to go through all that pain just for a few more precious years? Would you go through that pain even if you didn't know it would end up saving your life or not?

It'd be so easy to just give up, I mean you're gonna die anyways right? Why suffer and then die?

Yeah, I'd say people with cancer are brave, at least the ones who decide to fight it. Because I know I wouldn't have the guts to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anger at women, gay people, Mulsims and blacks. Now we are angry at cancer patients. Hmmm

[Asker]

I never said anything about either of those three groups

[Opinion Owner]

Didn't have to. Who will you be hating on next week so I can have my popcorn ready.

[Asker]

What makes you think I have any problems with Gays, Muslims or Blacks?

[Minxxie]

Some people do survive though, so if you try to fight it you may be successful. It's a way to prevent people from giving up because there is always a chance.

[Anonymous]

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[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

because they have to deal with something and face it head on. if you don't think that takes guts, you're an idiot. you or i bitching about having a lot of work to do and choosing to not face our feels while they're literally fighting for their lives and having to accept the real possibility that they could die, yet coming to terms with it.

[Asker]

And if you think enduring pain when the only alternative is dying an even more painful death, you're an idiot. That's like calling a stray dog "viscous" for biting you after you chased it into a corner.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

"And if you think enduring pain when the only alternative is dying an even more painful death, you're an idiot"

no one is comparing different types of deaths dip shit. it's comparing what you or i consider tough to what they consider tough.

"That's like calling a stray dog "viscous" for biting you after you chased it into a corner."

no it's not. those aren't comparable in the slightest.

[Asker]

1. Getting treated when it's the only way you can survive is in no way "tough" it's ONLY instinct
2. They are 100% comparable in every single way. They are only responding to a threat to their life.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

1- to have the mental and physical capacity to go through cancer and cancer treatment is really tough, retard. it's not like you just chill in the hospital getting radiation in your butt and eating ice cream all day.

2- the analogy implies we go out and try to get cancer and then get mad when we get it. no one (besides smokers) are like, hey! let's get cancer! in your case, chasing a dog. cancer happens when damaged cells start multiplying. you can't activate/deactivate cells. hence why your analogy is invalid.

[Asker]

1. It's exactly like you chill in the hospital and get treated with chemo and radiation and it isn't about being tough so long as it's the only way to survive.

2. That's not what the analogy meant moron. What I was saying is that if you say a cancer patient is brave for going through the pain of the treatment when it's the only way they can survive then you would also have to call a dog in that position viscous for biting the person even though it was the dogs only way out.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

1- bruh, you fuckin stupid as shit. without treatment, you can die within months. with treatment, there's a possibility of surviving, but also loss of hair, weight gain, depression, vomiting, can't eat, digestive problems, loss of bone and muscle mass and loss of certain motor skills... and that's only a few of the side effects... for months and even years every fucking day

2- don't change it. that's what you meant. you literally wrote "That's like calling a stray dog "viscous" for biting you after you chased it into a corner". "you" are the chaser (cancer). "you" are also forming the opinion of the dog in calling it vicious because it fought back

a real analogy would be that it's like a dog cornering a person in the corner and calling you brave for fighting your way out. and even so, it's not like that because it's not a 1 time thing. it's more like being trapped and fighting your way through a forest with multiple animals attacking you. it's not like chemo just works magically

[Dulcedulcexoxo]

Because it's scary. Cases of cancer is going up especially in young women and the mortality rate is kinda high. it's to give people the bust or support they need to beat cancer.

[Asker]

It being scary doesn't make them brave when they were forced into that situation.

[abundantlyrich]

It is a confronting disease that some people prefer to give up and die with it but others live with it as normal until they heal. It challenges the person in everyway.

[Asker]

But most people would chose a shot at life rather than dying so it doesn't make them brave.

[abundantlyrich]

Not true... Most people have a secret morbid wish for dying young

[Asker]

But virtually all people with cancer chose to get treated and getting treated when its the only way you can survive doesn't make you brave.

[abundantlyrich]

Brave yes but not heroic. cancer is a diseased condition brought in by environmental factors and sometimes genetic

[Anonymous]

Why the fuck do you keep asking this? Did someone you have issues with get cancer? I suggest working the issues out rather than going on anti-cancer patient support tirades.

[Asker]

My psychologically abusive mother had it.

[Opinion Owner]

Im definitely with you - cancer or hardship doesn't negate the terrible things people do. Though suffering can sometimes make people grow. I don't think that's a given, though.

You need to make peace with the damage she's done to you, man. I say that as a damaged person. Carrying it around is your own disease to heal from. Free yourself, do your treatments, be they therapy or self help or meditation, etc. You deserve to be praised for fighting your battles too.

[Asker]

I've been to therapy sessions and they didn't do squat. And that's not why I dedicated my life to showing the world that having cancer makes anyone anything more than a victim. It's because when I said that I was glad that she's dead they would say things like how could you say that she's a hero for fighting cancer Blah blah blah. That's when I found my cause in life.

[Opinion Owner]

People are going to be very offended when you say that about THEIR loved ones and some may lash out at you. Crusading against child abuse may be a better endeavor.

I've been to several therapists and found some are better than others. Don't give up on getting over her abuse.

[Asker]

People have lashed out before.

[ParkMontez]

I'd call them strong and brave for staying in the game, even when dealt a bad hand. Heroic? not so much..

[nileve]

I agree with you I dont get it either good question

[Anonymous]

I think people are free to idolize whomever they choose to idolize. What do I care? People seriously need to live and let live.

[Asker]

They didn't live and let live with me so I'm just returning the favor.

[Opinion Owner]

Oh, for craps sake... now all cancer patients are stand ins for the person you hate. Get help.

[Asker]

1. Np they're not, it's more complicated than that. I don't hate cancer patients I hate the notion that they're predicament makes the praiseworthy just like I don't hate any race of people, I hate the notion of the superiority of any race of people.
2. I've tried getting help, it didn't work.

[FilthyPervert]

I only admire the ones who die. The ones who live usually waste their life enjoying it rather than doing something useful with it.

[00100100100]

I know. it's like when they called John McCain a hero cuz his plane was shot down. That doesn't make a hero, it makes him a bad pilot.

[thorthorley]

It's a metaphor and is not to be taken literally.

[Asker]

Well, it seems like a lot of people can't stop talking about "Oh my mommy is my hero because she has cancer" do take it literally and I'm getting tired of it.

[DarkHumorRUs]

Because some people see them as brave or heroic.

[Anonymous]

Reported as duplicate

[Asker]

veritas vincit

[Opinion Owner]

Oh ah latin, now i have to believe the nonsense you spew...

[Asker]

How is it nonesense?, the fact that you have to try to censor me shows that to you truth hurts