Do you believe the Anti-Vaxxers (those against the Covid 19 vaccine specifically), are a threat to world health and are just being selfish?

[dudeinohio]

yes

no

[Screenwriter]

It's not that cut and dried.

There are the lunatic fringe anti vaxxers who are against ALL vaccines and don't get their kids or themselves vaccinated, despite the fact that polio, smallpox and most childhood diseases have been wiped out because of vaccines.

There are practically no 40 year olds in the United States, or younger, who've had measles, mumps or chicken pox (a distant relative of smallpox, and less virulent). Few people get rubella, or German measles, which is highly contageous and dangerous for pregnant women and causes a host of birth defects to an unborn fetus including mental retardation, blindness and deafness, to name a few. It also causes stillbirths and spontaneous miscarriages.

Know anyone who's gotten Tetanus, or "lockjaw". Of course you don't. It's been vaccinated to near non-existence. Flu shots protect the very young and old. Infants are most likely to die of flu, then the very old. Immunization of adults, and infant and elder caregivers protects babies and older people. However, people in the prime of life have been killed by the flu. Flu vaccines aren't perfect, only about 50 percent effective, but in the 30 odd years I've been taking the shots I've had the flu maybe two or three times. I used to have it once or twice a year.

Hepatitis A and B have been vaccinated down to bare minimums, but nearly a million people die worldwide from Hep B. Both cause chronic liver disease and lifelong complications. The vaccines prevent this.

Pertussis, or whooping cough, where the child actually SOUNDS like a whooping crane and infants can die of the illness.

Diptheria: A nasty illness that still exists, but vaccination against it is the cure, same as with all the others. It causes breathing problems and death in infants. Highly contagious. Rotavirus is another early childhood illness that can lead to death. Vaccines prevent it.

Now I've had whooping cough, measles, mumps and chickenpox and was lucky enough not to have the severe scarring from chickenpox: your face looks like pizza cheese or you've had severe acne. None of these illnesses is necessary. We all missed many days of school because of them and entire classes would be wiped out because two or three people had one or another of these illnesses.

My point is NOT getting vaccinated causes needless suffering for yourself and your children and OTHER people. The fact that you can infect OTHERS is the most pressing need to use vaccines. Maybe YOU won't get sick. But you could carry these illnesses to others and spread infections.

That is the bottom line. The fears about some vaccines: The Moderna one shot seems to have several problems. The Pfizer and the other two shot regiment have had none of the side effects of the one-shot version. So the choices are obvious.

Safeguard yourself, your children and everyone you know and come in contact with. That is the only rational choice.

[Nmalinova]

On the other hand vaccinated people can still infect vaccinated people, so what's the difference? The technology these vaccines are using is still very new and it's criticised by A LOT of doctors (the majority of docs that I know do not want to be vaccinated) and for good reason! We don't even know yet how exactly the virus can incect the cells! It's not attacking the nucleus like other viruses do... the vaccine is basically a "let's gamble and pray"...

[Nmalinova]

Infect*

[Screenwriter]

@Nmalinova The only vaccinated people who can infect other vaccinated people are those who've been infected by sick people. It takes far more EXPOSURE to become ill if you're vaccinated and people who are vaccinated don't DIE of corona virus. 95% of the people who are currently infected are people who have NOT BEEN VACCINATED.

Vaccination has NEVER BEEN 100%. As of the current infectious variant, the vaccines out there are at present 88% effective: So, not as effective as 94%, as they were for the initial infection variant. AND TIME HAS PASSED. Vaccines lose efficacy OVER TIME!!!

It will come to a point where we'll have to have booster shots just like kids and flu vaccinne people have to get yearly. It'll just be another illness that will be added to the list for us to prevent.

These vaccines are not gambles. They work. ANd since states are reinstituting Mask mandates, seems like they are realizing if no one else wants to use preventative medicine, we'll be come like Japan: everyone will wear masks all the time. But Japan, with 6% of its population vaccinated, is also suffering nationwide outbreaks DESPITE mask wearing.

Masks alone are not enough. Neither is vaccination alone. I am fully vaccinated and when in public, enclosed spaces, I wear a mask too. I like being alive AND well. I'm planning to stay that way.

[FloridaWeatherDude]

I was going to vote, but I couldn't pick yes or no. At least with regard to Covis, I DO believe anti-vaxers are ignorant, ridiculous, and ultimately do cause an increased health risk to their neighbors, friends, co-workers, and honestly to our entire world population. Having said that, I cannot agree with the notion that others unwilling to get vaccinated "are being selfish". That's because being "selfish" implies or suggests not giving a damn about others. Sure, anti-vaxers may refuse to get vaccinated but not because they believe they are safe and immune from risk, while uncaring for all others who might get sick or die. Irrational as it may be to me or in the face of science, anti-vaxers are making a choice and cling to the belief that they stand a far greater risk of illness or death (or religious persecution) by being injected with a Covid Vaccine.

In spite of the far greater harm that will probably result from increasingly deadly Covid variants that evolve out of the absence of establishing a true Herd Immunity, I would have no choice but to stand up and defend those peoples rights. Once those rights are lost, we as a society will digress back to the Roman Empire turning men & women into slaves without rights and life without freedom or liberty.

[ShadezMcgee]

Language is interesting when people twist the actual meaning and use it to shape a narrative or viewpoint.

Anti-vaxxer would originally imply that people are against getting ALL shots for immunizations for particular diseases we have found cures for. It is not to be used for a mass of people who choose not to get one fucking "vaccine".

The context has lost its meaning, much like other words today that have become nothing more than buzzwords for simple disagreement of opinion and perceived oppression. Common courtesy is gone and disrespect has soared through the roof.

If "Anti-Vaxxers" are so selfish for refusing the COVID vaccine, then what about the individuals who received it crying foul and borderline wanting people to be mandated to get it? Double standard, much? How the hell is that not selfish? We can use other arguments that revolve around personal beliefs and individual rights, but what this will turn out to be at the end of the day is people will make decisions based on what is convenient for them or what suits their beliefs or ideology.

No different from religion, political affiliation, pro life/choice, etc.

[MCheetah]

No. "My body, my choice." And COVID has less than a 1% fatality rate. I'm not putting some dangerous sh*t in me hat politicians, late night talk show hosts, and donut companies are bribing you to get that's been proven to be unsafe. I'm not even an "anti-vaxxer,' not that any of these dumbass sheep who listen to CNN and Stephen Colbert have any f*cking clue about how medicine or vaccines work.

I'm so sick of STUPID-ass sheep (usually on the political left) acting all morally and intellectually superior when all they do is obey and consume product. It's aggravating how the dumbest people in society take issue with those skeptical of a rushed, unsafe vaccine, but won't direct a single bit of that ire to the Chinese Communist pieces of sh*t that spread COVID globally, in the first place. You've gotten the shot; WTF are you still bitching about? You're supposedly "safe" now, right? Go bother someone else.

I'm never getting that bullsh*t. If none of you like that, you can suck my unvaccinated knob.

[blank_expression]

No, I don’t at all. On the contrary, the vaccine pushers on all levels including the vaccine bullies herein are guilty of attempting to force, or coerce an experimental vaccine being manufactured by capitalists with a profit accounting line that are completely unaccountable for their actions by waived legal retribution. How is this much different from the miracle cure Dr. with a horse drawn wagon of an epoch where there was no accountability? If you actually look at medical journals independent of the big pharmacy success rates claimed online, the best that the group tests could claim is around 50%. Now given the high uncertainty of long-term effects, and near term incidents of the vaccine distribution coupled with >99.8% Covid survival rate (not the health centers profit motivated rate), It makes no sense to risk the vaccine if one is a healthy person. Just recently, doctors have been coming out that now say the natural acquired antibodies will provide immunity for over ten years. I was sent into a hot spot and I caught it several months before the lockdowns hit. I have the antibodies, and therefore, I have no reason to get the vaccine. I know a personal case that had it, received the vaccine, and relived the Covid symptoms again but much worse the second time around. In addition, the CDC (Fauci missing in action) claims of asymptomatic transmission was reversed by the CDC and the Frauduci himself. Therefore, what part of my choice not to receive the vaccine has anything to do with selfishness or a threat to world health? It affects no one but the big overstocked pharmacy that now is going to push a third dose to attempt to make up for poor success rates and overstock. I wish good to luck to all of you human test rats as the long term effects begin to emerge because the vaccine pushers are the selfish-threat to world heath by political motivations, profit lines, or ignorance.

[friendzoned4life]

I AM NOT AN ANTIVAXXER

But I won't take the covid shots.
Wich aren't vaccins at all.

Mexican flu shot I have had as a kid almost I been Lucky enough to not end up with the disease that makes you stop breathing in your sleep a lot of other Kids born in 1994 have had that it took 10 years to figure out that only thing all these Kids had in common was the flu shot.
Been very sick from the shot myself.


So no I am not selfish our dangerous for not wanting to take that risk again. Actually it is People like you that demand everyone takes it that are the dangerous and selfish ones.

I'd really like to get back to living but for 1,5 years I have been waiting untill the rules that don't even help will be lifted instead I got excluded from things opening up and they used numbers too justify schutting us down for longer.

Also the FDA and EMA both have not actually approved any of the shots.

So no I am not selfish our dangerous I Just feel the need to be protective over my body to be certain I don't end up with the unlucky ones

[Seinna]

What's selfish is pressuring people to take it against their will without taking responsibility for the consequences.

You have your choice to take it and you did so leave us alone. If it truly works and is safe then you have nothing to fear from us.

[Qdbrown]

This is dumb. A person has the right to choose. It doesn't matter what they choose. Each person makes their own choice based on personal fears, risks and ideas.

All this talk about people not taking the vaccine are risking public safety by potentially kicking off another mutation? Seriously? That's a foregone conclusion. COVID is here to stay. It will be mutating for the next 100 years and then some. It's the next common cold.

All the mutations right now are not home-grown, but coming across from nations that are begging vaccine makers to send them massive doses. Is the first world nations answering the call? No, not really. That's the hotbed of mutations right now. Not some healthy person in the States or Europe who have a 99% survivalability rate.

[Dinklex3]

I just find it funny that people have been calling us anti vaxxers, just because we have yet to get one vaccine that is not FDA approved yet.
I've probably been shot up with more vaccines than them.
People always tell others to be mindful of their health and to take care of themselves, but the moment they do they're "selfish".
If selfishness me wanting to make sure a brand new vaccine is at the very least fda approved before I put it in my body, then yes. I'm selfish. & There's nothing wrong with that.

[Daniel-Lingl]

Not to mention how fast this “vaccine” came out

[Dinklex3]

@Daniel-Lingl Mhm. People are trying to say it's safe and there are no side effects when the truth is it JUST came out. They literally don't know the side effects. It hasn't been studied long enough. I'm military and medical and they still give us the freedom to choose to get the vaccine. They literally NEVER let us choose, lmao. So that tells me they are not yet ready to take responsibilities of the possible outcomes yet. So again. I'll take it when it's fda approved of if my job makes me.

[Daniel-Lingl]

That’s the truth. The incentives that are being pushed are increasingly suspicious. I wish the CDC had been more upfront about this at first. Then they wouldn’t have to worry about people not getting it.

[Dinklex3]

@Daniel-Lingl Agreed.

[Lliam]

Absolutely not. First, the jab is not a vaccine. It's an experimental gene modification therapy. The public is being used as the clinical trial. It's effects are not even known.

Even the manufacturers say that a person who has received the jab can still contract and transmit covid. They merely "hope" that it reduces symptoms.

And the effects of the jab are starting to become known. How many develop blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, sterility, organ and neurological damage? How many permanent injuries and deaths?

All for a germ that has a very low mortality rate for people under 70 or 80 years old or have serious pre-existing conditions. And why have inexpensive, extremely safe and highly effective treatments been maligned and banned?

People should be given ALL the facts and be allowed to make their own, informed health decisions. Coercion violates the Nuremberg Codes and many national and international laws.

[viajen]

Considering you'd have to be so amazingly dumb or disinterested to be unable to research your own interests to see that they are constantly being debunked, an anti-vaxxer is about as smart as someone religious.

It's blind faith when there is an abundance of information, including full ingredient lists for each vaccine and studies done on each individual ingredient in each vaccine. It really is putting your fingers in your ears and intentionally ignoring the world over a weak idea that you trust for no substantial reason.

In terms of health risk, well it's the unvaxxed ones that are getting sick and dying now, so I guess we'll see if they're a threat to me or not.

[rl2000]

You probably listen to cnn

[friendzoned4life]

I Am allready doing 1,5 years of being healthy without covid flu it is actually the People that have had their shots and keep testing themselves that are getting sick

[RationalMale]

Covid has a fatality rate under 1%. The majority of cases are even asymptomatic they are so mild.
The 2020 PREP act in the USA also specifically provided the vaccine makers immunity except for "willfully negligence." So even if the vaccine gives 20% of the patients heart failure from inflamed hearts, which is now becoming strongly linked to the vaccine, the vaccine makers are immune to liability unless you can prove they were WILLFULLY negligent.

The national vaccine injury compensation fund also strangely does not cover people who suffer severe side effects after taking the vaccine.

You have fun taking the vaccine if you want. I already had covid and I went from feeling ill Monday to being back at work Friday.

[Anonymous]

I don't think they're actively dangerous (exceptions made for those lunatics who cough on/spit on people - they're actively dangerous and should be prosecuted for assault where feasible), but they are harming everyone else by their spreading of misinformation, fear, and virus.

Unvaccinated hosts are breeding grounds for variants - which puts all of us, even those with vaccines, back in danger.

But I don't know that they're selfish. They're dumb, maybe, or at least being manipulated and misinformed without knowledge of it. But I think a fair portion of them probably think they're helping, not hurting. Which is the real damage of misinformation and GOP propaganda.

[Shamalien]

Funny I think the same of you. Breeding ground for fkd up mutated spike proteins that would never originate in nature, a. k. a, ACTUAL dangerous diseases. I think you are dumb and manipulated by propaganda. Not necessarily selfish, more just cowardly, it's so easy to stay within the safety of the herd and not be slandered throughout all sects of society for your belief.

You represent the real danger of propaganda. You right here. You have no idea what it is you are putting in your veins, you are relying on blind faith. This kind of shit right here is exactly how extremely dangerous, unnatural diseases come to be. People like you and the assholes who create the very effective propaganda you are a victim of.

Just a glimpse into the other side, take from it what you will.

[Opinion Owner]

Whatever you want, dude. I know the science, I trust the science.

Science and fact aren't propaganda. Taking your information from news sources owned by billionaires? That's propaganda.

But hey, if I die, have a cookie.

[Shamalien]

You don’t know the science, you are following blind faith. This is not your field.

[Shamalien]

Imagine for a second the possibility that propaganda can be put forward as ‘science’. Could it be possible? Yes, of course, and laymen like you are not difficult to fool.

[gotc147]

You don't believe in science, you believe in ideology and mistake it for science.

Funny you talk about getting information from media owned by billionaires when that is exactly what you do.

[MotorcycleMan]

Yes and no.
I believe in freedom, but with freedom also comes responsibility. I believe we all have the responsibility to do our part to end Covid and therefore we should all be vaccinated.
However, I think that when it comes to being injected with something, your personal freedom of choice should prevail, so while I feel strongly that everyone should get the vaccine, I feel stronger that it should not be forced.
The unfortunate part is that many of those who do not want to get vaccinated, also refuse to wear a mask and refuse to practice social distancing, walking around like it's all a big joke and they are the only smart ones in the group.
If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine, but please stay away from others.
I'm perfectly OK with stores saying "You don't have to get vaccinated, but you can't come in here unless you are".

[natured]

I think they will be just a threat to each other, because once you're vaccinated you won't get harmed by covid, yet you can still have it, on the other hand, beacause of people that refuse to get vaccinated it will cost us our freedom once again.
I have a feeling that we will start from the beginning this winter...
I'm not a fan of this vaccine, but honestly, can it even get any worse?
So I'm doing it to protect myself, will it turn me into a vampire after 3 years? Well hey I always wanted to be one when I was little...
I got nothing to loose, i'm respecting society, if society is killing me with this vaccine then the ones that caused it have to sleep at night with blood on their hands, while I'm sipping on a Martini with Whitney Houston and Amy Winehouse.
_Shrugs_
*Let's be positive even for fun*
-D-

[Babewithplan]

So sad

[Nmalinova]

@Babewithplan unfortunately even vaccinated people can die from Covid... our PM was hospitalised even though he was vaccinated... in the end of the day it still depends from person to person

[m33lad]

Depopulation program! And sheep are lining up to have themselves slaughtered based on their own lack of wanting to research.

[Babewithplan]

@natured Covid is NOT a thing. I meant it’s sad because you’re still sleeping and don’t know what’s REALLY going on with the “pandemic” etc.

[Babewithplan]

@m33lad Yes I believe that’s the aim of the game.

[natured]

@Babewithplan So what are we supposed to do? The ones that sleep? Give us an input so we can wake up...

[Babewithplan]

@natured Well stop glorifying the vaccine. Starts a start. Then, don’t take the vaccine. Then, do your research and the more people wake up to what the government is trying to do, the more people can make a stand against them and we MIGHT WIN.

[Babewithplan]

For a start*

[Babewithplan]

🤔🤔🤔

[natured]

@Babewithplan Where in my comment did i mention that i'm gloryfing it? What is there actually to WIN? You think we there will be happily ever after? You know i accept my fate, because me being a part of humans, will accept whatever fate that comes to me, because US HUMANS ruined this beautiful world. And if it's meant to ruin us all, we probably deserved it, look at all these negative thoughts, negativity in general, the hate, the trolling, the devastation, the NATURE SUFFERING... we deserve what is comming for us... nothing to loose here just saying i'm not scared

[Babewithplan]

@natured That is pretty much my entire point. It’s not “fate”. It’s some people with much power who are exercising this power to control the entire population. It’s not about being scared, but about fighting for our human right which is freedom to do wtf we want and when we want and not be told to cage ourselves in like animals and not have the authority to say NO. Here in Australia, we’re back in lockdown after many months and this time the police are handing out infringement notices for people who dare walk outside and LIVE LIFE. Wtf.

[natured]

@Babewithplan Yes I know we where in lockdown during winter as well, now that it's summer it seems like people even forgot that it ever happened, no masks in public, all bars open, everything seems back to normal.
The thing is, we tried to go against the people with much power, but it's not that easy, you can't risk your family and others life.
I'd jump up and fight, but how I'm I supposed to do it alone? are you fighting too as we speak? No... you're locked and your abiding and looking down just like all of us. SO IT'S USELESS some heroes give up ;)

[Babewithplan]

@natured That’s why it’s imperative that the majority of us wake up, cause then we could make a stand as a collective

[natured]

@Babewithplan I wish we could honestly, if anything happens i'm ready, I'm good at using sauce pans as a weapon.

[Babewithplan]

@natured Hahahha I’ll bring my gun.

[Babewithplan]

@natured 😂

[hellionthesagereborn]

No and any one who claims that is anti science or very ignorant on how science works. Also you cannot be a threat to the whole world, herd immunity kicks in and so you could never be that big of a threat even if we ignore the fact that this disease has a lethality of.007% for almost all demographics and we have a vaccine. If you have taken the vaccine you are no longer threatened by the disease, any claims to the contrary either mean the person doesn't understand how vaccines work OR they are just trying to force other to do their bidding because they are authoritarians in which case they never really cared about keeping people safe to begin with. Their are no other options that I can see.

[Feelicks]

People have a right to refuse treatment.

It's not like they don't have side effects my second Pfizer shot left me with severe chest pain for 3 weeks.

While I don't think it is a problem in this case, the technology itself is very much a possible vector for massive human rights violations if used unethically.

In short people should be free to weigh their own pros and cons and make their own choice and if that means being selfish will tough shit that's the nature of living in a free society.

[Youryeodongsaeng]

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm not against vaccination, I'm the person who doesn't care what you do. You do you.

I'm not vaccinated yet because I'm kinda scared of getting covid symptoms. I don't want covid again. Even though I might not get covid from it, I just don't wanna put my employment at risk.

I still might get the vaccine. I might have to because someone told me that they're saying that students can't go back to school without getting vaccinated. My mom said that if they make a vaccine for children under 5, she isn't letting her 2yo daughter getting vaccinated because she has heart problems.

I say I'm kinda scared of getting vaccinated because I'm too much of a paranoid person.

[FatherJack]

My daughter had a booster for diphtheria , meningococcus & tetanus via her school today , which has been around for a while , and had similar myself , so am not truly " anti vax " as per the propaganda that would make Kim Jong Un proud. However neither of us are having this heavily pushed covid jab , which has been accompanied by " media " BS and a REAL pandemic of brainwashing , virtue signaling & 24/7 fear porn , if this " super deadly virus " was as bad as the " official sources " all made out , we would be at medieval population levels by now ! Downvote me all yer like !!

[Aethereal]

That depends on their actions. An anti-vaxxer that chooses to stay on lockdown/self-isolation until they are comfortable with getting the vaccine is harming no one. There is nothing wrong with rejecting and refusing the vaccine. However, a person who rejects the vaccine but still goes around (outside) without taking the proper precautions to protect others from the (higher) chance that they are a carrier/spreader is definitely a threat to the health of others. I voted "yes" because the anti-vaxxers I have met also seem to have a problem with taking these necessary precautions against the spread of the virus (which makes them a threat to the health of others).

We are free to believe whatever we want to believe. It only becomes a problem when our beliefs endanger the lives of other people.

[Dchrls78104]

No. In my country they say that the vaccines don't stop you from getting the virus, but "reduce the symptoms". Don't buy into the propaganda. A vaccine is supposed to stop the virus getting into your body in the first place. That's its job and its purpose; if it can't do that, the whole point of introducing it into your body is lost. Add to this, the fact that today's vaccines are said to come with the risk of dangerous complications. Why would I marry a woman who is just as likely to kill me as to make me happy?

[m33lad]

Anti-vax it’s something sheep say people who are anti-thinkers people who refuse to research people follow the mainstream people who are brainwashed and they don’t even know it.




The only way people like you will learn and wake up will start to think is when you finally will perish for lack of knowledge yeah go take the VAX see what happens to you. It will not always be immediately this time w the cigarettes that they told us six years ago that it was good for us.


Remember the VAX protects you why do you care if other people get it or not you fucktard!

[TheSpaceGnome]

Neither.



The "vaccine" for covid 19 doesn't work and has landed people in hospitals. arguably speaking that means it's not a vaccine, it's a failure. Which, honestly isn't shocking, court hearings claim it killed animal test subjects and didn't get human trials before being publicly available, and the test for covid is claimed to only be 23% accurate, so diagnosis apparently isn't clear enough to even know a working vaccine's effectiveness.


Secondly, for the vaccines that actually do work, those who get them are protected from those who don't, so it doesn't matter what anti-vaxxers think for those.

[rounddablock]

It’s simple. If you are moderate to high risk (30 and older, overweight to obese, compromised immune system, etc.) then the benefits outweighs the risk. I got fully vaccinated 3 months ago despite testing negative for covid 15 times (and I know I was exposed). I think I have a resistant blood type but still I got the vaccination.

But I do NOT think it should be mandatory or even encouraged to give young people 20 and younger vaccinations. I think forcing this on kids 12 and younger is borderline child abuse. Worldwide the child fatality rate for covid is infinitesimally low and yet people don’t want to “follow the science” on those statistics. Why?

Anyway we still don’t know the long term side effects of this vaccination and why should very low risk people be getting it? Can someone please explain to me WHY giving this to children should be mandatory please? The adults are already vaccinated so what’s the point?

[Anonymous]

This sites kinda conservative and backwards so obviously most people are gonna say no. Obviously they’re a threat. The virus has more chances to mutate among unvaccinated people and they spread propaganda about a vaccine that has emergency authorization. Statistically it’s safer to get it than not. 70 percent of covid patients have heart damage. I find it funny anti-vaxers talk about the vaccine being dangerous but keep quiet about that one fact. Literally an overwhelming majority of doctors and scientists approve of it and they choose to act like they know more than everyone else. Also what about people who aren’t fully vaccinated yet? Why should they be at risk because some moron is walking with no mask and unvaccinated. It’s ridiculous. If you want to know why the west is declining just take a look at these people. Heck it’s like they forget there’s economic consequences to not being vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Their ignorance and paranoia is a threat, sure. Their constant flood of bullshit and lies, is a threat. (See "Hypernormalisation under Putin") But the anti-vax part... well, that's less of an immediate danger. Spreading false information and contributing to the element of anti-science in the world is obviously dangerous. But I think when it comes to global dangers, more people are concerned that anti-vaxers will provide a large enough community for the virus to continue to spread and mutate, and eventually over time it could mutate into something that can get past the current protections. That's a concern.

[genericname85]

people that are "against the covid vaccine" aren't anti-vaxxers... just saying.

and there is no argument for that being selfish, cause everyone can get vaccinated if they want. there's no damage done by those who aren't vaccinated other than maybe to themself. but that stands to argue... cause as evident now, the vaccine is more harmfull than corona to certain age groups.

[Friendlybro79]

@genericname85 This is completely false. Your last sentence is not evident. You are part of the problem. Spreading things without source and confusing others. Get the vaccine if you want and don't get if you don't want. Just stop spreading misinformation. Let's hope we do not ever have a repeat of the 1918 flu. Because we're screwed with the people who are anti science and anti vaxx or anti new vaxx.

[genericname85]

@Friendlybro79 i don't care for your opinion.

[genericname85]

@Friendlybro79 i'm done arguing educated buffoons. cause every time i show them the sources that proof that i'm right, they either don't read or don't understand or do both and call me an idiot anyway. there's no point in fighting this new religion. it's not based on facts.

[genericname85]

*uneducated

[Anonymous]

What is selfish about not wanting to put an experimental, non-FDA approved drug into your body? Nobody knows the long term effects.

A lot has happened in recent years that lends me to think its foolish to trust the media. So many lies, and half-truths to push whatever their oftentimes twisted cause.

I want to live in an honest world. I don't feel like we're getting that.

[viajen]

You sound like you've become aware enough to not trust the media, yet not aware enough to actually find the parts of the media that are trustworthy.

It seems to me that with how you've described the vaccine, that you've stopped trusting media and instead started trusting pictures that are shared on social media... And that's much worse than biased AF news.

[geonator]

It seems in the case of covid, I'm not even sure that general anti vaxxers are the problem. There are so many people who hate specifically this vaccine and end up committing logical fallacies in order to make it look bad and grouping into echo chambers to convince each other that this vaccine is bad. The people want this vaccine to look bad are the same people who opposed every other type of covid mitigation effort, including the kinds of efforts that didn't cause collateral damage. Because, of course, our political ideology includes opposing mitigation of covid because the virus has a constitutional right to infect people

[Grond21]

Well, apparently everyone who doesn't want to take the non FDA approved vaccine is now labeled as an anti-vaxxer and selfish. Typical narrative from those who don't like science.

But we have to be careful, because the presidents of the only three countries who refused the vaccine are now dead. Clearly it's a dangerous thing to not go along with the mainstream narrative

[scentoflavender]

I believe they're expressing thief opinion, as they have a right to do.

[scentoflavender]

Their*

[viajen]

Opinions can be wrong, everyone is entitled to an opinion but in no way does it mean someone's opinion should be respected, especially if it may cause physical health problems to others.

That person is just selfish and scared to have a proper conversation about their opinion.

[scentoflavender]

But yours is correct right? Have fun with that

[viajen]

What do you mean?

[HiveBee]

Ah the age old debate. Are we allowed any freedom whatsoever? Or should we all surrender freedom to q benevolent dictator who forces everyone to act right for the greater good.

It is impossible to justify freedom in the face of the benevolent dictator. Why would anyone give up their perfectly structured, safe, and equal existence for a free world where inequalities and dangers still exist?

How dare those who would opt for freedom, force those of us who do not wish for freedom, to operate under their sick and terrible rules of freedom? You dont wear a mask and I die for it? How is that fair?

It's never fair. It's never possible to allow anyone to be free.

Authority must retain its power, lest the freedom of idiots infringe upon the wellbeing of others.

Freedom cannot be defended. And yet we all know that freedom is essential. That freedom is king. That freedom is better than a benevolent dictatorship.

[HiveBee]

The problem really, at the end of the day is, that I and others who believe in freedom, believe that at the end of the day, when all pros and cons are tallied at the end of the day. That freedom wins out in the balance books.

That more good comes from freedom, than bad is prevented by authority.

And that's the eternal debate. We almost won it when the USA was created. But freedom's attempted revolution was eventually reigned in an conquered as it probably always will be.

[viajen]

Wtf has this turned into?

All I'm saying is someone is allowed to make an opinion, but then I'm allowed to say that opinion is wrong and dangerous. People dont have the right to say whatever they want and have it be protected.

Oof... Freedom.
Someone should have the freedom to be able to walk around and not risk getting sick by idiots who think freedom means "I can do what I want whenever I want" without any regard for the people or the country that gives you that freedom.

[HiveBee]

Can you define freedom for me?

[Dazed0N0Confused]

I think antivax people should just "pray their illness away" if they catch covid or what have you. Don't go to the hospital where you're going to be treated with science. After all "the survivability rate is 99.7%" & "it's just a flu", so why would you need to go to the hospital?

[InfobotLives]

I do believe that they weaken the overall effort to get back to anything approaching normal but I wouldn't deny them the right to object to being vaccinated. If vaccinations were to be compelled by law that would be dangerous territory for us all.

I've had my vaccinations, that's my choice. I didn't particularly want them but I had them because I feel it's for the greater good. That's my decision though and I respect that I had the right to make it, as do others.

[Smashingdoozy]

Honestly they could potentially be. We know the virus mutates and it mutations are more deadly. It's more likely to mutate In unvaccinated people. So yeah, they have the potential to cause a lot of damage to a lot of people because they are selfish.

[Shamalien]

women and their fucking white feathers...

propaganda is always directed at women. We need to focus on giving women the tools to combat propaganda because they are spreading it like wildfire, and the next generation is going to be absolutely fucked.

[Avicenna]

Gee, if only this sort of hate was being directed at those who actually spread COVID initially.

But in answer to your question, that depends on whether they're spreading it. If they aren't, then obviously no.

[gotc147]

People who choose not to get a vaccine are putting nobody but themselves at risk. That's how vaccines work, you're vaccinated you're not getting the thing.

[Ryfyle]

Like most of the Vaccines act more like Gene Therapy than an actual classical Vaccine, and mRNA injections are still not generally approved by the FDA. Like I got my injections just so I can keep the lights on. Real question is why don't they also give out a bunch of other free meds. This shit skipped a fuckload of FDA tests for a Virus that really just killed through Comorbidity. I feel like I'm being fucked with and that Jab will likely be the end of me.

[Anonymous]

The Anti-Vaxxers who spread fake news are a thread. We need a 60-70 % of the population to be immune for the virus not to mutate into something even more dangerous. It is not only the people in risk of death of covid who will have to get it.
I don't care if individual people decide not to take it if they feel it is better for their health/life, and I will not try to convince them.

[Opinion Owner]

@TexasRed95 but it is more likely to mutate when the virus can spread more/when people are not immune.

[TexasRed95]

I keep up with all the latest computer tech. I know exactly how well the process was that tested the vaccine. That being said. I 100% do not trust a vaccine that has been out as long as it has been. Simulate all you want. But no computer can simulate the human body.

[JustAnj]

I'm not an anti vaxer but I am also not getting the vaccine, I am one of those people who can't due to my condition soo 🤷 I'm not worried though, compared to the vaccine I will live if I ever got COVID-19 which surprisingly I haven't.

[purplepoppy]

I think most of them struggle to differentiate between scientific research and internet memes.

[Lliam]

Or actual scientific research as opposed to the official narrative pushed by TV.

[Anonymous]

People are just getting smart. They're saying, "Okay. People are taking vaccines. Nothing is changing. They still need a negative COVID test to reenter their own country, even if vaccinated. So, what's the point of having the vaccine, when at this point things are easier for people who get the virus and heal?"

[Quidthonian]

No. Each person has their own reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated. As an engineer, I forsee multiple more mutations of the virus. I predict that each mutation would have its own vaccine.
I missed my chance for vaccination, as it was organised at work the week that I was on leave. I guess it was a "sign" not to get vaccinated.

[Adam1978]

Neither, they are harmless and it's not selfish to act accordingly to your own beliefs. The vaccine is an experiment why voluntary take part of it if you don't believe in it.

[maryyjdk]

Anti-Vaxxers that do not promote their ideologies and comply with the public health rules (for example, they wear masks everywhere, they keep their distances and they avoid crowded spaces) aren't. But Anti-Vaxxers who go on entire protest, post about their ideology on social media and try to be "heard" are.

[grega239]

Im not getting it because:
1. I tested positive. A 3 day headache and mild fever. I've had hangovers worse than that
2. The way they exaggerated the virus, youd think people would be dropping dead left, right and center in the thousands.

Yes people died but most of them had preexisting illnesses.

Its not the black plague

[catj9999]

I haven't had the vaccine nor do I plan on it, if someone wants it I have no issue with that, just my personal choice not to.

[slatyb]

Mostly they are a threat to their own health and immune-compromised people who can't be safely vaccinated. Are they selfish? Not so much as ignorant and angry at the being left behind. They are like a child refusing to take advice from an adult.

[Anonymous]

I think that the homeless IV drug users in Democratically controlled Western cities like Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Francisco... are the biggest threat. They piss and shit on the sidewalks and roads that the rest of us use.

It was these types of conditions that allowed the Black Plague to decimate Europe in the dark ages

[SmokinAces2000]

I just don’t want to take the vaccine I mean sure your fine now but what about 20 years from now I’m cool if I haven’t gotten it yet I probably won’t get it I have a very strong immune system

[Stephen_77]

No, Anti-Vaxxers are people who have the intelligence to do their own research rather than just automatically believe what they're told, and then discover that vaccines are not as safe and effective as what people are led to believe.

[Browneye57]

Neither. The majority don't need a vax for one reason or another.
If you've gotten the shot, you're good to go. Quit butting into everybody else's personal business.

[hellacray]

Well this is funny cause other countries want the vaccine desperately.

But here in the USA we got such crazy people saying vaccines are bad. Wearing masks are against their rights. And so on...

[summiter]

Yes if everyone giot vaccinated we would not have to worry as much about COVID. I got shot and it was no big deal... one less thing to worry about

[Anonymous]

So not only am I a simp because i love and respect women but now I'm also an anti-vaxxer because I am not interested in getting vaccinated? Good! Let's see if I can make myself the most hated GAGer here.

[ewok737]

Here's a link to a news program, 60 Minutes, it goes through the development of the Covid-19 vaccine.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/AM3gSgvN2Fw

[FiftyOneFifty]

We are being selfish? We ask nothing of anyone but to leave us the fuck alone and if you think getting injected with a toxic substance to prevent someone from catching a cold is normal then you are the dangerous one not us.

[friendzoned4life]

Amen to that

[Anonymous]

Why don't you ask all of these people that question...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/JOAQO1ZSFWw

[ThisDudeHere]

I'm not sure. I'm vaccinated but my little brother insists on not doing it.

[Somoneelse]

I think most people are just following one thing/theory without even knowing what for bullshit they are screaming.

[In_Trance]

Lol no.

[viajen]

"You searching" Haha.

Man it doesn't take long to find out on average globally there's a 27% reduction in infant deaths because of immunizations, and the only reason why it's not higher is because distributing vaccines is very difficult and you get people who are still against them.

[John_Doesnt]

Not selfish, just stupid.