Should Covid-19 vaccinations be mandatory?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No but businesses should be allowed to refuse to hire unvaccinated people

No and businesses shouldn't be allowed to hire unvaccinated people

Yes, people should have a fine for refusing to get vaccinate

Yes and people who refuse should be incarcerated

Yes and people who refuse should be inoculated with a dart gun loaded with the vaccine

Updates

+1 y

Option B Businesses shouldn't be allowed to refuse to hire unvaccinated people.

[Citizenkirk]

Viruses grow and adapt collectively, not individually, and once a person is infected, by a suicide viral infection, it's a fight too the death between parasites and thier host body, because a suicide virus doesn't know it's killing it's host, which is suicide for the parasites that overpopulate thier source of life sustaining nutrients, as well as their protection and shelter from single-celled predators that would consume them outside the host body. They do have some primal awareness of the deadly t cell population increasing in strength and the awareness of the white blood cells of the human host which are the most lethal single celled organisms there are on Earth but not very fast it replicating like the suicide viruses are now always able to recognize certain camouflage Invaders until it's too late like HIV. What makes white blood cells so deadly, is that they themselves, are suicide organisms, killing themselves in the process of killing invading cells, the way that honey bees throw themselves at an invading hornet to defend their hive at the cost of their own lives.
Is this Invaders survive the human host is dead and they move on to another host even stronger than they were before because they have the ability to survive the previous host and requiring the ability to survive the new host adapting and evolving defenses that make defending against them more difficult, until you get something in the ballpark of Ebola which most strains of Ebola are lethal to humans with no known cure or vaccine. Those few treatments that are starting to become available to people are way behind the curve and catching up with a deadly pathogen that has been evolving for thousands of years, killing hundreds of millions of people in the process.
It comes down to this each human being that dies with these things moving on to another host make the virus stronger while making the human resistance to these things weaker.
Human survival is accomplished collectively, and people who do not get vaccinated are murderers, Cold blood killers who don't care how many people died because of their refusal to save themselves and those around them. If I lost a child to this virus because people refused to get vaccinated and my child died because of that, I cannot say with absolute certainty, that I would be able to restrain myself from taking out a chain gun and doing a little bit of urban renewal on the ones I perceive as my child's killer's, and that would be irrational, because the ones that killed my child died as well, because it was their deaths, without killing these viruses from being vaccinated, that killed my child and that hypothetical scenario but in my warped grieving parental mindset, every person I see that is refusing to get vaccinated killed my child in some retro displacement of mind insanity type of way 😵!
That is the kind of mindset we can look forward too in a lot of people, towards anyone who refuses to get vaccinated, if it becomes a common occurrence among large portions of the population.

Killer viruses don't know they are killers, but we do.

How many millions of future and present people are you going to murder with your refusal too do the right thing. I know of at least one person to die because of that decision. You, that is guaranteed, when those around you are strong, creating strong pathogens in need of a week host too thrive and grow.
Hope you and your new friends 🦠 are happy together🤧 for what little time you'll have.🥀

[ObscuredBeyond]

Belarus: no lockdowns, no forcing Remdecivir nor chromosome 8 FUBAR shots on anyone. Initial flu season results identical to nations with draconian lockdowns, with a few major exceptions:

- Belarusian preschoolers not subjected to psychological abuse by teachers calling them murderers for simply wanting to breathe natural oxygen.

- No children getting myocarditis.

-Patients in hospitals that request Ivermectin get it, and get back to living life. No Obamacare death panels giving grandpa a mixture of gas chamber and lethal injection.

- No home invasions nor theft of electronics by government-sanctioned thugs in Belarus.

- No Ruby Ridge or Waco incident reruns in Belarus. No decapitated targets being declared suicides by the coroner.

[Elizabeth992]

Yes absolutely, otherwise this nonsense will never stop. Thanks to the unvaccinated, new variants are emerging.

And now most places “strongly advise” wearing masks regardless of the vaccination status. Im vaccinated and I’m NOT going to wear a mask (unless it’s mandatory) because I did my part on protecting public Heath by getting vaccinated. Why do I have to wear a mask? So those not so bright individuals who chose not to get vaccinated wouldn’t get sick and die? Well they seem to have no consideration for others by choosing to not get the vaccine. Why should I care about them then? It was their choice. Also it really makes me mad that these no so bright individuals are occupying hospital beds so others (who are vaccinated and need medical procedures) cannot get an appt and get the surgeries they need.

( if I get covid, the likelihood of me getting super sick and dying is very low. If someone who is unvaccinated gets covid, the outcomes are sad. Esp with the new variants. So good luck to them.)

[Chthou95]

You watch way too much Cnn

[MIJ0PAPl]

What a dumb bitch.

[DarkWinterNights]

Since the vaccine is non-sterilizing, and it’s been reported that vaccinated people can still shed the virus nearly as much as unvaccinated, it’s more likely the virus mutated its spike protein to adapt to the vaccinated.

This is the excuse they’ll use to push regular boosters and vaccine passports.

[loveisbeautiful]

No, because everybody has a reason for why they don't want to get vaccinated and to make them do so without even knowing their reason is wrong. I personally haven't gotten vaccinated and don't plan to for the simple fact that I have a sensitive system in the terms of where medications are concerned. Since no one can promise me that it wouldn't react badly with my system or do something horrible to me, I'm not willing to take the risk that it might. That is my reason. So, the better question is should myself and people like me be forced to take something that might be dangerous to them? Once people answer that, then you'll know if making the vaccine mandatory is a good idea or not.

[Johnnyjay]

But you are willing to take the risk of getting the virus and passing it to people. Thank you.

[she_asks_and_answers]

Sounds like you have a system just like mine. It is a big risk for us.

[Massageman]

No. These vaccines are not really vaccines in the accepted meaning of the word. A vaccine will use weakened/dead bacteria/virus to create the immune reaction in the body. The current meds- as cited by the CDC (blech)- will not "prevent" COVID but will make the cases less severe. If people want to wait for a truer vaccine, they should hang in a few more months for the Novavax to come out.

[Chriscunning]

If they not vaccines then what exactly are they?

[Brian8736]

@Chriscunning
If we look at pre-2020 definitions, they fit more under “gene therapy” rather than “vaccine.” And also “experimental.”

[Chriscunning]

@Brian8736 Care to list your educational links? My understanding is it creates proteins that are similar to covid that your immune system responds to. Doesn't sound very 'gene therapy' more 'vacciney'.

[zeitgeist057]

No, and all the answers reflect heavy bias. You don't want a poll, you want an echo chamber.

I am vaccinated and have been since February. But I still believe in people's freedom over their own bodies and deciding what to or not to inject in themselves. Even if they are "too stupid" for their own good, it's not my right or anyone else's to fuck with them.

I personally believe we should have a program where 99% of the world gets sterilized until human population gets below 1 billion, but I would never suggest we implement that kind of thing without consent, and it will never happen so we are just going to continue to destroy our own habitat, life on the planet, and each other for a while.

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

Nope. I will never, ever vote for that to be mandatory. And I have the vaccine. But I'm still heavily against it unless you're in constant contact with someone that has underlying illnesses. It doesn't protect you from the virus anyway. Just makes the symptoms more bearable. Or so they say. Do I think businesses should be able to not hire because of a vaccination status? Hell no. Discrimination is Discrimination and its never ok.

[supercutebutt]

Protecting people from disease isn't discrimination. It's called health and safety. It's irresponsible to force employees to work in an unsafe workplace. Furthermore, if a private company has a rule, that's their right. :)

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

@supercutebutt lol ok? None of that changes what I said. It's not protecting anyone from anything when vaccinated people can still give and get the virus. Private company or not, it's still discrimination.

[supercutebutt]

Vaccinated people catch and transmit far less than unvaxxed. I think you know this. People just enjoy arguing. :)

Just get vaccinated, everyone.

[Chthou95]

@supercutebutt Are you for communism?

[supercutebutt]

@Chthou95 No but you are. You demonize companies for making money because they created a life-saving vaccine. Understand this please: smart, hard-working people developed the vaccines. I am a capitalist and u r apparently a filthy commie, believing stupid, lazy, selfish, anti-vaxx people are just as valuable as smart people who do the right thing like me :) You aren't. You suck. :)

[Chthou95]

@supercutebutt Just because people don't want to take a vaccine doesn't mean they're anti vaxx. People have their reasons for not wanting to take it & there are valid reasons. But ultimately it's none of your business if someone chooses to take it or not. People have the right to make choices for themselves

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

@supercutebutt no, people just like having choices. I said what I said and didn't ask for your input. Good day.

[juniperberrytuesday]

No. Look, I'm vaccinated and while I think people should get the vaccine, I completely understand why some people are hesitant in getting it.

It comes down to: are you more scared of covid or the vaccine? Covid, that's killed 600,000 people in the US alone (and with the even worse Delta variant on the rise) or are you more scared of a vaccine that's been produced in about a year, which is faster than most vaccines are produced. I decided I'm more scared of Covid and passing it along to others. We're in a weird time...

[DarkWinterNights]

This is probably the most level headed response under this poll.

[MissRomantic]

NOPE. This is because vaccination is a health choice. If you let the gov make this health choice for you, it will become hard to draw the line on what choices is okay for them to make for you. If you want to live in a free country where you have autonomy, it’s good to promote individual responsibility over the consequences of their actions. It teaches people to not blame others for their problems either and puts control over one’s life outcomes in their own hands. The more control you perceive, the more likely you are to have the confidence to better your life.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Vaccination is a health choice but not a personal one because the disease is transmissible and every other person the virus infects is an opportunity for it to mutate into a new strain that the virus is less effective against. If you want to call a country free, people shouldn't be forced to stay in their houses or risk contracting a deadly pathogen. So this isn't about individual responsibility; a fight against a pandemic is first and foremost collective (PAN is the greek prefix for 'all').

And we are a democracy and by acting collectively, we are taking matters into our own hands and away from the virus (along with the private unaccountable tyrannies that would seek to benefit from the crisis).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqNAEx1lm4

[hannahjo022]

I think getting the vaccinations should be mandatory. If the person does not want to get vaccinated they should at least get tested every week to make sure they don't have the virus and won't pass it to others. I got the Pfizer vaccine it is literary nothing and you just feel normal like with any vaccine. I have not yet got sick because I wear my mask still when I am out in public, wash hands, and sanitize my stuff including purse, wallet, phone, etc. Your phone carries the most bacteria which is really gross. I don't trust nobody who does not wear a mask in public and most of the times those people are not vaccinated. People who are unvaccinated are fueling the variants.

[hahahmm]

It's unethical to force people to take an experimental vaccine. The FDA's own rules says this. Let's say for the sake of argument that the covid vaccines are 100% safe (not the reality) we would be setting the precedent that it's okay to force people to take experimental drugs. One day there could be something that seems safe 'enough', gets forced on millions of people & then they all drop dead from some horrible complication. Natural immune system response have kept humanity going for eons. Yes, people die, but not everybody.

Government also did a weak job on quarantine/isolation stuff. They've had decades to plan for biowarfare scenarios and spent billions but they execution is useless. That should be investigated.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No as its a gross violation of human rights. You don't get to force some one to do something you think is best for them and others, and you especially don't get to do that with something that has potential side affects that will affect them and not give them a say in it.

As for hiring, private businesses have the right to hire whom they want and if they don't want to hire unvaccinated people, I believe that should be their legal right. I don't agree with it but it is their legal right and it should remain their legal right.

[kyleelyn199723]

I hate this question so much, but honestly, it’s proved that vaccines aren’t holding this virus back from doing what it wants it to do. No I don’t think the vaccine should be mandatory

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Why do you say that? Covid is disproportionatly surging amongst the unvaccinated.

[kyleelyn199723]

I disagree. It is surging on both vaccinated and unvaccinated sir

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah but it's way more prevalent among the unvaccinated population.

[Ryfyle]

@ad_quid_oratorAnd whats the mortality rate, Fuck face?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Ryfyle We don't have sufficient data to determine how much vaccinations decrease the mortality rate (talk about moving the goal post) but people with both doses are 12% as likely to get infected with the delta variant as people without it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34289274/

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun I disagree. There will be unvaccinated people forever due to people that physically can’t due to medical issues. Get used to it

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

You know, we can exempt cases where it does more harm than good. *DOY.

[kyleelyn199723]

Oh well 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ welcome to reality where your opinion isn’t always the best one and doesn’t make the world go round 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Massageman]

Thank you.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

Why take a vaccine that hasn't been properly tested? Thats been proven it won't stand against all variets, that you can still catch covid, thats has a huge recovery rate more than 90% recovered before they started implementing the vaccines.. this is no way a vaccine there is no dead virus in this.. a vaccine stays localized in the arm where it was givin this spreads throughout your whole body! I dont know what the point of the vaccine is but I do know a lot more people have died since taking the vaccine oh but its worth the risk they say... but is it really? there's no guarantee you will get covid.. this is about money and control was never about our health thats why medications that can cure it were taken off the shelf... made illegal so they can make is fearful so we believe there's a pandemic when really its just another flu season and we let the media control us. Its a respiratory infection we dont get rid of it.. it lays dormant in our bodies until our immune system is weaker usually in the spring it presents itself.. they usually mutate.. this is a part of life we have to learn how to live with this and stop letting the media and the government continue to control our lives!

[888theGreat]

because biden has completely open border and they bringing everything in here. Like 62% are infected

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@PeacefulRainDrop Because it's still contagious enough to overwhelm the healthcare system if left unchecked and can perturb the economy enough to allow for disaster capitalism by financial institutions. Your property rights don't allow you to keep a tank of chlorine gas on your lawn because of the public safety risk. Similarly, getting vaccinated isn't about your body because the disease can be transmitted to other people and the more people who don't get vaccinate, the more opportunities for new strains to come about. Applying the "my body my choice" principal to contagious diseases is JUST fascist garbage.

https://youtu.be/IFqNAEx1lm4

[kyleelyn199723]

Let’s not ignore personal hygiene. I saw a girl preach at my work that everyone should be vaccinated meanwhile an hour later I saw her eating off of a random persons plate in the dish area. I work in a restaurant. I feel like pointing fingers at unvaccinated people is the easy way out when they’re so many factors that are clearly spreading the virus

[kyleelyn199723]

@Ad_Quid_Orator I feel like so many people in this generation try and build up a reality of their own. You are implying that if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would stop spreading which is a lie because it is spreading amongst vaccinated individuals as well

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Wow, way to make a strawman argument. No it won't go away but it won't be any worse than the other diseases we deal with on a regular basis.

[kyleelyn199723]

The delta variant is worse and is attacking vaccinated people. Wooo too many people living in a fantasy world in this generation. Focus on your own health and hygiene.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The delta variant is 12% as likely to infect a vaccinated versus an unvaccinated person so if you think hygiene will do a better job at preventing an airborne virus, get your head out of your ass.

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun I witnessed a girl at my work eat off a random persons plate after preaching about the vaccine an hour before that. 12% is not a whole lot. Don’t know why you keep bringing up 12% when in my eyes, that’s not a big number at all

[kyleelyn199723]

Essentially yes , better health and better hygiene can help prevent an airborne virus that attacks you based on immunity

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

It means that you're around 8 times less likely to contract the delta variant if you're vaccinated than unvaccinated. Now that's not as much as the alpha variant (you're 15 times less likely to get it if you're vaccinated versus unvaccinated) but being 8 times less likely to contract the variant is a big difference. It doesn't mean that you're immune (way to put up a strawman) but that is a big difference.

[kyleelyn199723]

Again, where I said that even with mostly everyone vaccinated , there will be people unvaccinated due to medical reasons, so in that sense maybe we should just suck it up and let the virus run it’s course? Let people choose what they want to do because regardless of your opinions , reality is not everyone will be vaccinated

[kyleelyn199723]

It’s to the point where many democrats are okay with basic freedom going away to fit their agenda of demanding everyone the vaccine which in reality will never happen. Ironic how you guys claim to fight for people rights but I don’t see it here at all.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Even if there are some people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons they are a small enough percent of the population that if everyone else is vaccinated we'll have herd immunity but the more people who don't get vaccinated without said medical conditions, the more opportunities the virus has to mutate into new variants.

And Democrats care about peoples' freedoms like the freedom to not live in a society ravaged by pandemic diseases. When Republicans talk about freedom they mean the freedom to put others in danger for their own sake (pollution, viruses, gun regulations etc...)

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun you are talking about Democrats wanting basic human freedom when you are basic okay with people being labeled to society as unvaccinated because of your selfish opinionated agenda.

[kyleelyn199723]

Basically *

[kyleelyn199723]

It’s to the point where being you want being unvaccinated to be labeled like the Star of David

[PeacefulRainDrop]

But why are the vaccinated individuals the ones getting covid? Its because thats what the vaccine is suppose to do attack your body from the inside out.. they blame the ones who dont get it to create divide and choas while they keep planning the next steps... its the distraction while they get away with murder! We need God to save our world to wake up the people before its too late!! Check out holocaust survivors stories there's actually a lot of resemblance I hope im over reacting but who knows for sure? All I know freedom of speech is no longer existant.. why? Since when is it a thing to delete a comment that you dont agree with.. make someone feel like shit for their personal opinions!! Its all propaganda

[kyleelyn199723]

^ interesting how me and you literally brought up the Holocaust but the divide almost reminds me of that exactly! He’s a democrat claiming he’s for the people but he’s up for people literally losing basic human rights of being labeled to create fear

[888theGreat]

Stalin did it too. Hitler too, the current China leader Ping Pong Xi

[kyleelyn199723]

My personal opinion: the news has every right to talk about vaccines rolling out, however they should have zero rights pushing agendas and creating fear. They should NOT be talking about numbers of getting the vaccine vs not getting them, however they should talk about possibly benefits. This why I’m not getting the vaccine because of how the media is pushing it onto people and creating a divide.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"It’s to the point where being you want being unvaccinated to be labeled like the Star of David"

I don't know if you knew this but the Nazis didn't just kill people with gas, the conditions in the camps were conducive to the spread of disease like typhus (what a policy that you're advocating will do) so there's a more fitting way to label you :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6ikN2O364

[kyleelyn199723]

Again blame the media for the reason why people are scared to get vaccinated. Just like you are scared of the virus, I’m scared of the agendas behind the media. When medical procedures are getting gimmicked out to divide, that’s when I start to have trust issues. If the media was really on our side as people, they wouldn’t create fear

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

But if you have an online calculator you can look at the hospitalization rates and population pyramids to find out that if nothing was done about the virus the healthcare system would be overwhelmed. FYI when they fact checked their propaganda the Nazis also blamed the media as an enemy of the people which is why a swastika sliced into the forehead of the anti-vaxxers would be more fitting than a yellow badge.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

@kyleelyn199723 I was surprised we both did too..

@888theGreat exactly history repeats itself

Personally I dont care if your vaccinated or not.. I will still treat you with dignity and respect... At the end of the day we all just want that! Freedom to personally choose what is right for us as individuals...

I am not sure if im right or wrong honestly I hope im wrong but only God knows for sure.. just vaccine passports make me think of slave papers.. just where does this madness end are you expecting to completely live on entire different continents? Or be in lockdown..

Did you know if you are sitting at home non stop "flatting the curve" doing our part to keep others safe not exposing yourself to the outside world your actually making your immune system weaker.. because its constantly safe not having to fight then when you go in public you will actually get sick since your immune system won't be prepared to fight. Look into stuff yourself and dissect it... think critically dont believe everything your told is true because most times theirs some sorta motive behind it.

[kyleelyn199723]

Do you realize people that don’t want this vaccine doesn’t automatically make them anti vax? People have a right to second guess a gimmicked vaccine that has been around less than a year that was put out on the spot. But anyways, the media is literally the reason for most things these days. Facebook, Instagram etc. My life got a whole lot quieter around Covid once I X’d out Facebook and Instagram out of my life

[kyleelyn199723]

About covid***

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@PeacefulRainDrop Look critically and realize that while every policy will have some downsides (i. e. weakened immune system) it will be outweighed by the benefits of flattening the curve. We know this because if we look at the Spanish Flu pandemic, resurgent diseases from weakened immune systems didn't outweigh the benefits of flattening said curve.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

People have a right not to live in a pandemic situation, a right that you take away when you don't get vaccinated.

[kyleelyn199723]

@Ad_Quid_Orator the virus is literally killing people with weak immune systems. Honestly I feel like the vaccine should be a personal choice for that very reason being, if somebody has a weaker immune system , they have the vaccine to create better immunity for them.

[kyleelyn199723]

“People have a right not to live in a premix situation” right that’s why the whole entire world has been living in a pandemic situation against their will for over a year.

[kyleelyn199723]

Pandemic****^

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

If you transmit the virus to someone with a weak immune system because you didn't get vaccinated it's not a personal choice. Principles of bodily autonomy don't apply to transmissible diseases.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

People also have a right to live in a world ravaged by war but that was the case for 100s of millions of people 80 years ago.

[kyleelyn199723]

Getting vaccinated doesn’t inhibit me from transferring the virus to someone with a weak immune system. We have been over this already. If I’m vaccinated and asymptomatic and that person with a weak immune system is out and about, they contract the virus, that is their fault for not taking better measures for themselves

[kyleelyn199723]

I disagree with that opinion because I keep up with my health and I have not contracted the virus meanwhile I have been working in a restaurant with hundreds of people walking in and out a day and have not contracted the virus once. there’s no such thing as luck when it comes to virus’s

[PeacefulRainDrop]

@Ad_Quid_Orator those online calculators are already predetermined to show that... Have you talked to actual people that work in the field im not talking about receptionist but actual doctors or nurses when 1 of them is in the room with you.. when there's more than one they make eye contact its cause all of this is do what your told..

The fact checkers website is completely pointless if the people doing the fact checking for you are lying!

Honestly im not an anivaxer I have had all my vaccinations but after this I will probably become one! When will you see its not the people you should be angry with but the government for controling our everyday lives and ruining our economy!

[kyleelyn199723]

The main three sources the virus is killing is 1. Obese people 2. Elderly people 3. People with low immunity

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@PeacefulRainDrop Oh boy now you're resorting to anecdotes -_-
GROW UP!

@kyleelyn199723

No but it greatly reduces the possibility. Having a speed limit doesn't mean you won't run into someone but it greatly reduces the possibility of it happening. But hey why don't we just get rid of all speed limits if we follow your logic and if someone dies in a car accident that's their fault for not getting an armored vehicle.

In your selfish mindset, what you think of as FREEDOM is JUST the freedom to put others in danger.

[kyleelyn199723]

There’s other factors that play into role of deadly car accidents other than just speeding.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

OK, so I guess you think you should also be allowed to drive completely wasted too and if you run over someone, well then they should have been better prepared.

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun the only one selfish here is YOU because you are only looking at one side of the spectrum which is your preferred spectrum.

[kyleelyn199723]

Nope I didn’t say that but drinking and driving is a huge factor of car acccidents along with being on your phone. You implied speeding would stop car accidents

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No I implied that speed limits REDUCE the number of car accidents like vaccinations REDUCE the odds of transmission.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

If you dont do what it takes to keep your immune system strong actual scientific research and evidence based then how do you expect to kick covid in the ass? Go back to the basics... I am done here I tried and not going in circles.. I wish you all the best!

[kyleelyn199723]

The fact that you think the vaccine is the only way to prevent further spread is very much how selfish your mindset is. I only ever see you preaching about enforcing the vaccine and not other factors that lead to contracting the virus

[kyleelyn199723]

-just so you know everyone I know has pretty much contracted the virus and eaten it up and kicked it’s ass. I know there’s people that died from the virus but I’m telling you, their immunity was not built for the virus

[kyleelyn199723]

Also your options on this poll , are appalling, you are so one sided you couldn’t even add options that go against your opinion completely

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I never said that was the only way to limit the spread (I also mentioned social distancing).

Your strawman's too wet to burn.

[kyleelyn199723]

Look at your options on the poll!!! Tell me you aren’t selfish! You can’t be bothered by people having different opinions than you

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh boy you're using anecdotes again -_-

[kyleelyn199723]

Dude look at your options!!! You are selfish as fuck

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I made "no people shouldn't have to get vaccinated" an option.

[kyleelyn199723]

You can’t even fathom people not being for the vaccine, your poll options says it all.

[kyleelyn199723]

Your poll actions all simply imply for the vaccine in the end essentially. You can’t fathom someone else being on the other side of things

[kyleelyn199723]

Options*

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I had poll options that stated that vaccination shouldn't be mandatory.

[kyleelyn199723]

Oh look you just fixed it because I pointed out how selfish your options are. You went out on a limb to reject any other opinion other than your opinion

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I fixed it because I realized there was a typo and you're saying that you shouldn't have to get a vaccine because if people are vulnerable they should have to cower in their homes or risk dying?

#Projection

[kyleelyn199723]

There’s no guarantee to getting home safely every single day. If you know you have an immunity issue, the last thing you should be doing is dancing around in clubs and going on vacations in resorts where people tourist. The restaurant I work at is literally a tourist trap and the amount of old people I see come in on a daily basis is insane, and you are the one that is worried about them when they aren’t even worried about themselves

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah just like there's not guarantee that you won't get in an accident driving home but we still have traffic laws to reduce the risk (way to move the goalpost). And immunocompromised people shouldn't be barred from enjoying the quality of life that we all do because you're too cowardly to get a shot. See, you're not arguing for liberty, you're arguing for your freedom to deprive others of it (the rights' view of freedom).

[kyleelyn199723]

You are a literal idiot if you don’t think people enjoying life a little too much right now is the reason why cases are on the rise. No I am not arguing freedom of others, I am arguing common sense, which is if you have an immunity problem, you probably shouldn’t go places that could lead you to your death you moron

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"You are a literal idiot if you don’t think people enjoying life a little too much right now is the reason why cases are on the rise."

It's rising because too few people are vaccinated.

"No I am not arguing freedom of others, I am arguing common sense, which is if you have an immunity problem, you probably shouldn’t go places that could lead you to your death you moron"

And if there is a reason that doing things everyone else takes for granted could lead to their death should be done away with you selfish brat. Hey why not do away with pollution laws and say that if someone has respiratory problems they should just stay inside?

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun you can’t crowd around at a concert and expect some people not to catch it and then bring it home again so it spreads. How many times have I mentioned, it’s spreading to vaccinated people that are spreading it to family members? “I’m a selfish brat” no you are a fucking idiot that can’t see the forest through the trees. Stop pushing the dumb vaccine on people. You are a fucking media puppet

[kyleelyn199723]

Look at all all your questions. You are a puppet for media.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Ah yes, because you think the media is just the enemy of the people and everyone who doesn't agree with you is just brainwashed by them Goebbels.

[kyleelyn199723]

Uh, yes it is! Ever since Biden got into office BLM has died down, because the media hasn’t pushed agendas that trigger BLM to riot around and protest. Not surprising a media puppet can’t admit that the media damages more than it does good

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"Ever since Biden got into office BLM has died down'

Or it could be because there isn't as much need for activism because we have an administration more willing to deal with systemic racism.

"because the media hasn’t pushed agendas that trigger BLM to riot around and protest"

Who's believing bullshit fed to them now you bought into claims by FOX about them burning down cities.

abcnews.go.com/.../protest-arrests-show-regular-americans-urban-antifa-73709791

[kyleelyn199723]

You are a literal tool, it died down because the media stopped the BLM agenda. Why did protests even start to trend? Because two words for you : the media. You are seriously a Democratic media puppet.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Nope, because George Floyd was unjustly murdered and shit like this has been going on for a long time.

www.theguardian.com/.../john-lewis-essay-final-rousing-call-for-action-progress

[kyleelyn199723]

Did I say he wasn't unjustly murdered? Nope. But why did that trend of protesting stop only after a year later? Because media has not brought attention to it. Simple. The media needs to create situations to make even more money. They made so much money off the BLM agenda last year.

[kyleelyn199723]

But I guess it worked because fools like you think the media is on your side when the only side they are on is the side that makes them money. I took a journalism class by the way. Yes journalism gets crooked when money being made comes into factor

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh first it stopped because Biden was elected and now it stopped because the media stopped talking about it? If you're gonna bullshit me at least keep your story straight.

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun the media can no longer blame trump for shit, of course you can’t connect the dots of what I’m talking about

[kyleelyn199723]

The media painted trump as a racist for saying the virus came from a lab in China, meanwhile months later after he got out of office, the media pronounced that the virus came from a China lab. I almost nearly choked on my own saliva at a nail salon getting my eyebrows done when I heard the media admit that shit AFTER trump got out of office

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I never said the media was on my side; I know they'll do what earns them the most money which is why Trump throwing out accusations of collusion when his views became so unpopular that it was profitable to DE platform him are completely asinine. He let a few companies control cyberspace by gutting competition regulations and the monster he unleashed turned on him.

[kyleelyn199723]

Read my most recent paragraph

[kyleelyn199723]

They also painted him as a racist for being concerned about the border, which look at us now, in a situation where people are crossing the border and bringing the virus with them. I didn’t say trump didn’t have his faults but Jesus Christ did media make him look like a monster just to literally spew out his exact words AFTER he got out of office

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The media's not immoral, they're amoral (if highlighting police brutality against black people gets them money, they'll do it and if peddling conspiracy theories like the lab leak get them money, they'll do it) and they were calling him a racist for using terms like "kung flu" which stoked anti-Asian hate crimes.

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun anti Asian hate wasn’t just coming from the trump supporters.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

So it's just a coincidence that after his remarks such crimes spiked in occurrence.

[kyleelyn199723]

You mean the pandemic happened at the time he was in office so of course he is the easy one to blame for the Asian hate crimes when he was the one in office during the pandemic occurrence

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No it's easy to blame it on him when he used phrases like kung flu and there is a surge in anti-asian hate crimes afterward.

[kyleelyn199723]

Hun again, anti Asian racism didn’t just come from trump supporters.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

That doesn't mean that his remarks weren't responsible for the spike in it (not that he was responsible for every single crime).

[kyleelyn199723]

Yes it does, unless if you anti trump supporters to listen to trumped ideas after all

[kyleelyn199723]

Do * Trump *

[Ryfyle]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Holy fuck, 12%? thats piss weak.

[kyleelyn199723]

Interesting I just read that 40% of people crossing the border tested positive for Covid

[Ryfyle]

So we got a Cold that was rebranded so moral Crusaders can have something to Crusade about.

[Chthou95]

How effective is the vaccine to you?

[kyleelyn199723]

@Chthou95 not effective since at my age, my immunity should be able to fight against the virus.

[Chthou95]

Look up operation mockingbird

[kyleelyn199723]

@Chthou95 no thank you, you are just another democrat that is a media puppet

[Chthou95]

Wtf are you talking about? Im asking him this because i think his views are off

[kyleelyn199723]

@Chthou95 don’t really know you are replying with no @ and replying to my comments. Can’t tell who you are talking to. If you agree with him, all I can say is you are a media puppet. Look at this guys questions.

[Chthou95]

Far from a shill sweety

[kyleelyn199723]

So then use proper @ if you aren’t talking to me. You are on my comment.

[Chthou95]

It's pretty obvious who the question was directed at though

[kyleelyn199723]

@Chthou95 honestly, no it wasn’t. Instead of arguing , you can literally just say no worries.

[Chthou95]

It is but eh let's agree to disagree

[kyleelyn199723]

@Chthou95 hun all you had to say is somebody’s user when they are talking to them

[PeacefulRainDrop]

@kyleelyn199723 He wants you to read into the mockingbird project cause some of that is still going on today.. @Chthou95 he's actually trying to help you! Check it out... here's an article that explains it nicely: answersafrica.com/operation-mockingbird-facts.html

[kyleelyn199723]

@PeacefulRainDrop ohh I totally understand, I’m just addressing that it’s easier to converse when you @ somebody especially after 100 people have commented lol but I sure will look into it

[PeacefulRainDrop]

@kyleelyn199723 I understand.. remember you can't fix stupid so when it stresses you out just remove yourself.. works for me at least

[Dragonpurple]

If a potential employer wanted me to prove I had the shot (I do) I'd make sure I find all my vaccination shots, even from a kid and dump them all on them. If they want evidence of one, they obviously want it all right?

Not really, but I do wonder if my employer or potential employer when I'm not in the healthcare field or a field where it was required to be vaccinated BEFORE covid. Suddenly want to know my PHI and other info that is none of their business.

I get it, some fields... that required vaccinations before covid should still require them now, but if it wasn't required before covid it should not be now.

[kc_4308]

Nope it’s not even FDA approved. That’s a choice everyone should be able to make if they want the vaccine. It’s still in clinical trials and it hasn’t been out a few years it was just created earlier this year. I won’t ever take the vaccine.

[kc_4308]

It’s not a vaxx it’s a gene therapy

[hannahjo022]

I heard on the news that Pfizer will be full fda approval by September. I heard from other news that if you have Pfizer you might need a third dose. so who knows with these vaccines

[kc_4308]

Exactly it’s gonna be crazy. My mom and grandma are both vaccinated with Pfizer.

[RationalMale]

1. The Covid vaccines are already proving to be extremely ineffective at preventing people from getting covid, to the point that the selling line is "it will make your covid illness less severe" instead of "get the vaccine and you won't get the illness." Not to mention all the side effects.

2. Mandating the vaccine would literally be a justified cause for civil war and armed violent revolution. Not only is this an illness where over half the cases are asymptomatic, a government requiring you to have things injected in your body is so tyrannical it would make 1700's Great Britain look like freedom loving hands off governors!

[TheBigGuy9]

Looks like we won’t have a choice: On Friday, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee signed Executive Order 83 which authorizes National Guard and State Guard troops to break into peoples’ homes, kidnap them at gunpoint, and take them to covid internment camps, all without any due process or respect for civil rights. Individuals can be targeted for this medical kidnapping by armed troops via “telephone assessments,” and the medical kidnapping of American citizens is being labeled “involuntary commitment” to “temporary quarantine and isolation facilities.”

[purplepoppy]

If as an employee your likely to be exposed to people with covid then the company could insist on a vac. Here people likely to into contact with TB are regularly required to be vaccinated so we already have a history of vaccination being part of contracts.

[rjroy3]

Better question, are you willing to go to war over this? Because if you create a situation where people either have to give in to what the government wants or commit acts of violence. Guess what's going to happen..

I would fight alongside people who are fighting for survival against the government attempting to excommunicate them or not injecting something into their body

And I'm a pretty reasonable guy. Imagine the hotheads who feel the way I do

[BeeNee]

Too far is physically forcing people to be held down and putting needles in their arms or imprisoning people (we don't have the room/money for that anyway) but a business is allowed to not allow people to work there if they don't get vaccinated as it is their business on the same token.

[mistixs]

Not mandatory but I think that if someone's job is to care for groups of people who are at high risk of COVID (via healthcare, nursing homes, etc) then their employer should be able to let them go if they don't get vaccinated, because then they're not doing their job to keep their patients/clients safe. If they don't want to do their job then they can find a new one.

[Dragonpurple]

The real problem is nursing homes can't even get fully staffed with CNA's before covid, if they let everyone go who won't get vaccinated they would have to shut down and figure out where to send all the residents.

[mistixs]

@Dragonpurple that's a fair point

[Backseatvibing]

Or restaff with vaccinated people , there are lots of people looking for jobs out here. Shouldn’t be hard

[Dragonpurple]

@Backseatvibing You would think, but the nursing homes and assisted living around here have OPEN positions that no one is applying for.

Letting people go, means they are going to be even more understaffed. They also can't up the pay without charging the residents more, and most get it from the government which isn't going to up the pay any time soon. I have a niece working in one, says each shift she has to cover twice as many rooms as legally required cause no one is even applying. She is about to leave for a better paying job too, so they'll be in even worse situation. There have been other homes that had to shut down in the last few months, not really sure what they did with the residents.

[Interstate]

Yes, do believe it should be MANDATORY for everyone to have this injection. Then everybody would be at reduced risk. Your ''Option A" is actually considered discrimination. It goes along the same lines as those people who couldn't get work because of having A. I. D. S back in the day. But I comprehend what you are getting at, though.

[Qdbrown]

If mandatory vaccines, men who want sex from any woman has to give it up for the jab, and vice versa or force the gay sex thing. Seeing that it is mandatory. If that sounds morally and ethically right, then force all people to the jab. It really does work both ways.

[EmbraceThePain]

Well, what are the downsides to having the vaccine be mandatory? I think we’ve seen that they are quite safe and provide ample protection against the coronavirus. What I can understand is the fact that people don’t like the idea of being forced to take something into their body by the government. This path might be something that people don’t want to go down once they allow the themselves to take something that they don’t want to take for whatever reason.

[gotc147]

Absolutely not, it is not anybodys business what medical decisions I make but my own and Absolutely not, businesses should not be able to require vaccinations.

Those who disagree, please point out one single time in history when "just this one time" actually was just that one time. Things like this ALWAYS get pushed further and further slowly over time until people have ceded their autonomy entirely, "boil the frog" sound familiar?

[PeacefulRainDrop]

None of the above! Should be an option mind your own fucking business!

[rc321]

The debate of mandatory vaccination should be had when the virus is at a level that is manageable. The public's health should always be priority, politics should be left out. At some point just like measles mumps and rubella, it would be mandatory we forget that we get a bucket full of vaccination before we start school as children, as with those viruses and diseases it has a start with no end... with that said, let's debate ones we can control it

[Inexpensivefurniture]

I think for certain jobs it's reasonable to insist your employeess either vaccinate themselves or find other employment. Such as working in a medical field or in hospice/retirement care. If you are around people who are at increased risk of developing serious covid or dying, then you should either vaccinate to help protect them, or not work with vulnerable people

[JayParris]

"Everyone should be forced at gunpoint to do whatever I want them to do, especially to cultivate my sense of moral superiority and also because I'm far more intelligent than any of you." - everyone who talks about making anything mandatory for everyone else just because they think it's best.

[0112358]

Voted A).

so they shouldn't be mandatory but businesses have every right to impose health and safety rules for their employees and clients. Similarly schools can request either proof of vaccinations or require that unvaccinated people stay home during an active outbreak.

[artsygirl457]

no not mandatory, this is supposed to be the home of the free, what my family fought for in the military, should be optional no matter if you agree or disagree.

[artsygirl457]

your assumption, you can't force the unwilling- i work in healthcare

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

You can impose a fine for not getting it done.

[artsygirl457]

they can't even figure out serious crime in america or trafficking or cancer cures with all the trillions they have made form donations, that is just laughable

[artsygirl457]

from**

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Actually violent crime has been going down in the US for the past 2.5 decades and we have made huge bounds in cancer research.

[artsygirl457]

lol if you believe that, i applaud your faith, i work in and see it daily

[artsygirl457]

i work in it so you do not go to the drs to be well if you are well how do they make their money? once a cure for cancer, all those companies, hospitals, specialists wouldn't have jobs

[artsygirl457]

its your right to believe in your graphs while some live in the real world and work in it

[artsygirl457]

i work in it what do you have to prove those graphs are legit you have a lot to learn about the hard fact of life that graphs do not actually show the truth done by some eggheads? you asked a question i answered it dont be butt hurt that not everyone has your stance again i had family lose their lives protecting your freedom of choice, speech etc?
thats like saying the government should also mandate everyone male and female to be in the military to serve their country for at least 2 years if you wanna live in america- would they no? should they many will say no as well, mic drop

[user1245322]

@artsygirl457 All strong valid points, I served as well you know and spot on with everything you said to be honest, the poster does not have an unbiased opinion he has a forced opinion that he is right and thats it, without even listening, those studies etc are not 100 percent doesn't take a genius to know that, while other people also disagreed he has yet to answer anyone else back, GAG users typical pc with nothing to go on

[DarkWinterNights]

The more forceful they are the more severe the backlash against the mandates. It’s hard to believe they haven’t figured that out yet.

[elduderinosupreme]

I'll put it to you this way. The United States has hundreds of thousands of people crossing the border this year all catch and release or no processing at all and I guarantee most are not vaccinated. So don't try to tell me I should have to get a vaccine to keep working but those just running into this country are a ok to not get a vaccine. It's a shit show.

[kyleelyn199723]

He’s an extreme leftist , of course he won’t address the people cross the boarder

[kyleelyn199723]

Crossing *

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh boy, the open borders left mythos -_-

[backblueblack22]

I was pro vaccine and I got it 4 months ago. I encouraged other vulnerable people do the same.

But ever since the government started talking about mandates (including what NY did) I started having second thoughts about the vaccine. People know the risks vs benefits. They should be able to assess and make their own personal choice.

Personally I think giving this to kids under 18 is child abuse unless they are morbidly obese and/or have known issue with their immune system.

[Ryfyle]

Yeah something up. Like I don't know whats going to happen in a year and don't know if the Feds just okayed having a poison shot.

[Backseatvibing]

Do you all really want the world to shut down again? I would be pissed if they closed the gyms down again. We are in a pandemic, ofcorse they want everyone who can get vaccinated to do so. I understand that there are people who can’t get vaccinated cause of allergies or other health reasons. All these doctors and scientists are not in on some master government plan of manipulation they’re tryna end this

[MIJ0PAPl]

Actually yes they are all in on it. If they weren't the world governments could have ended this BS by shutting down flights and all travel but instead they let people fly from China and Italy that were supposedly affected so bad. It been 16 months if your fake vaccine did anything good this would be over but instead they keep moving the goal post and will continue too because it is a hoax.

[DarkWinterNights]

Overall, the institutions are either the most cunning malicious people in the world. Or the dumbest, and most incompetent. I’m not comforted by either possibility.

[Gomezaddam51]

There are to many problems with the vaccines. Eric Clapton lost the use of his hands after the second shot. Not good for a guitarist. He is finally able to use them again. On Facebook there is a group of several thousand people who either had bad side effects or had loved ones who had bad side effects including death. There is not way to tell what the long term effects of the shots will be.

[DrGrin]

No, we need a separate control group of intentional anti-vaxxers to see how bad is the unleashed pandemic. Not those who can't get vaccination, but those who don't want.
We don't need to think about how bad would that be, because we'll know. Dead people talk lauder than alive.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

People who are not vaccinated should at least wear a mask
there are some of these people I see working at our local grocery store
and I think to myself well you are not vaccinated at least wear a mask
I refuse to go without a mask and I'm not vaccinated cause I fear that
too many people are getting the Covid even though they were given a
vaccine

[Sugar100]

Is it true for concerts u will need proof of vaccine? I have to go to a concert in one month and parents r forcing me get the vaccine but I don't know if in Vegas at the hotel they will demand paper proof of the vaccine or I won’t be able to attend concert someone help me please?

[googleplus]

mark of the beast read the bible

you will not be able to buy or sell least you have the mark

[FictionalCharacter]

@Sugar100

I went to a concert last month that didn’t require any proof of vaccines or masks.

Then again, state governor stopped masks mandates here.

[mistixs]

@googleplus funny I didn't realize the vaccine was injected into the hand or forehead

[Sugar100]

@FictionalCharacter was it a huge concert thousands of people?

[googleplus]

@mistixs

its a conditioning process
and you idiots are falling for it

[Roxxy99]

@mistixs It’s not the biblical mark of the beast…… which is a fairy tale to begin with.

[FictionalCharacter]

@Sugar100

It’s a state fair. The biggest state fair in state. It has carnival rides, agricultural expositions, government and commercial exhibitions, and a variety of musical and performance entertainment.

For a whole 2 weeks, each day is a different Big Band concert. I posted pics here recently from my Billy Idol concert.

There were:
farmers markets
Petting zoo/animal competition
Carnival 🎡 rides
Bar & grill truck restaurants from different state
Concerts

I had fun.

[googleplus]

@Roxxy99

truth is I do not think it is
BUT IM NOT TAKING THE RISK

plus they started to mix animal DNA with human DNA in the days of Noah
and vaccines have animal parts inside of them
anyone can look into this
aborted human fetus and monkey cells in the vaccines

BOOK OF JASHER CHP 4:18

[Roxxy99]

@googleplus Vaccines don’t contain aborted fetal cells. Certain vaccines use fetal cells in the development of the vaccine but those cells are grown in a lab. They aren’t harvesting them from aborted fetuses. The Pfizer and Moderna shots are mRNA vaccines and don’t use fetal cells at all anyway. Don’t live your life based on a book of mythology.

[googleplus]

@Roxxy99

YES AND THEY ADMIT IT WILL CHANGE YOUR DNA

if you are no longer HUMAN YOU ARE NO LONGER REDEEMABLE
you must be human to be redeemable by GOD
for he died for the sins of man
not some corrupted creation

BOOK OF JASHER CHP 4:18

[Roxxy99]

@googleplus That is, of course, ridiculous and not true. Does that tinfoil hat keep the aliens from reading your mind? Just wondering…….

[googleplus]

@Roxxy99

do you even know what aliens are?

[Thegreendagger]

If the vaccine protects you.
Then why are you concerned right the unvaccinated?
Wouldn't the unvaccinated eventually die off? And there be no more crona virus.


Also vaxed people can carry the disease and spread it. places like iresal have a high vax number and still going through it.

Children can spread coronavirus but can't get the vaccine.

[Dchrls78104]

Never, and under no circumstances. The vaccines available in my country do not guarantee protection from the virus, and there is no redress available should complications arise from their use. It's a slippery slope when basic human rights are trampled on...

[888theGreat]

No, you liberals shit on the constitution daily. They violate it by making us pay taxes , stealing homes when they want the land. Murdering babies with abortion. If we keep getting our rights violated , there will be a civil war and then everything will be destroyed , but it is worth it if we get to keep our rights.

[Ryfyle]

@Ad_Quid_Orator The "Vaccine" is barely that and has been shown to jack shit about a Virus that's actually pretty benign. All your choices show that you need a brick to the head to understand that this whole "Pandemic" is a politically driven money funnel to big pharma and nothing else.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Nope the hospitalization rate is sufficient to overwhelm our healthcare system and opposition to collective action against the pandemic is just a way for financial institutions to engage in disaster capitalism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqNAEx1lm4&t=360s

All the big businesses that have had their bottom line hurt by the lockdown have WAY more lobbying power than big pharma.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

Their were videos on YouTube about hospitals being empty but being paid to be told they are overwhelmed even funeral homes.. until Dec 2020 when they started giving the vaccine people started dropping like flies one of my friends in the nursing home said these are healthy people.. he was all for it thought he was helping until everyone who took the vaccine died in the nursing home the 4 that refused it are still alive.. Does that sound right to you.. he spoke out and got fired from his job.. I will just let that sink in...

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@PeacefulRainDrop Oh boy, now you're resorting to anecdotes to justify taking the freedom from not living in a society ravaged by a deadly disease to others.

[Ryfyle]

You're a stone cold retard if you think not having the FDA and the CDC at your beck and call does not qualify you as a powerful lobby. I get it though, you want to seem like a big time hero by playing into this hyped up cold. Fuck, I walked off your fucking Covid Devil Plague last year, It's a fucking cold.

[ElizaPam]

I die fighting such an infringement on my body and freedom

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

If you think that your freedom from a prick is more important than the freedom not to live in a disease ravaged world, so be it.

www.youtube.com/watch

[ElizaPam]

It most certainly is. The government ain’t forcing me to do a damn thing with my body

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

It's stop you from violating the bodily autonomy of others via spreading a deadly pathogen to them.

[ElizaPam]

Well if the vaccine works they have nothing to worry about

[ElizaPam]

Uh THIS IS AMERICA.. I know that doesn’t mean anything to you libs but it does to us Americans. We have freeeeedoooom.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

First of all, I have my location listed on my profile.

Second, FREEDOM is not having to hide in your home because you're afraid of contracting a disease; a freedom you seek to deprive others of.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Something we've settled 155 years ago, Freedom isn't the freedom to deny others of their liberties yet that's how you continue to view freedom.

[ElizaPam]

So you consider having a choice to not take an experimental drug the same as slavery? You libs are crazy

[ElizaPam]

You are not American you’re communist tell me what else you’re going to force me to do for the fatherland comrade

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh please this after that holocaust reference by MTG (even though the pandemic's 3/4ths of the way to killing as many people as Jews died in the Holocaust).

"You are not American you’re communist"

Like they're mutually exclusive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

But commies like to do all sorts of things like give you a ticket for speeding or pay a fine for violating fire codes for public safety reasons (or as you like to say "control").

[Kenzy009]

@Ad_Quid_Orator by your logic I should I have right to rape girls, beacuse my freedom not to live in a lonely world. LOL leftists don't understand how liberty works

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Kenzy009 By my logic we should take away people's liberty to drive whatever speed that they want so many people aren't too afraid of the road for getting in a car accident.

It's just that we understand that public safety is a liberty.

[molonski2]

I adore this Cartman Clip , been sharing it around prior.

[Levin]

"If you think that your freedom from a prick is more important than the freedom not to live in a disease ravaged world, so be it."

Holy moley, so much ignorance in one statement.

[Feelicks]

No the world has gone fucking insane. You have the right to say no, and other people have no legitimate claim to your medical information.

I had mine but the fact that even simple sovereignty of self and medical privacy are being questioned shows what a tyrannical time were living in.

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

No and you should only need certain vaccines in workplaces where the risks of infection are high like in live laboratories or in frontline hospital areas.
Other than that, this is what i have to say about covid19 apps

https://www.youtube.com/embed/r-IYX75Ojgo

[_Troian_]

Ye it should be mandatory, people who dont want to get vaccinated can go f*ck theirselves.

A lot of pandemies like that happened in the world and its not something New, it always existed since start of the humanity and there will be always pandemies like that. However, thanks to scientiests we got rid of from most of these diseases, we got rid of from them cause of the vaccines they invented.. vaccines are solution for pandemy to end.

[Puppystarfish23]

No people should have the own choice when it comes to their body. I lost my cusion to the vaccine and he probably could have survived covid. If you want the vaccine you go get it but don't force others

[nickaboy]

Exactly, our dutch politicians are Just pulled from their vacation after our prime minister kinda announced that you have to be vaccinated after September 20 today they debat Afghanistan tomorrow everything covid.

I Also have a bigger risk dying from the shot than the virus.

Sorry for your loss

Just know People are fighting to stop this madness

[disgustingweebtrash]

No, let me know when this study is completed, but even then I will tell you no.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584?term=pfizer&draw=2&rank=1

[darkcloud1945]

Because it is part of THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA plan to take over America to bad there is no shot for stupidity and it be mandatory for it to be taken by the people who want everybody vaccinated. Biden has let hundreds of thousands of illegals free untested un vaccinated throughout the states , when all those people are vaccinated we can talk about the legal people getting vaccinated.

[Brian8736]

I agree with you but Trump is just as bad my man. He constantly shills for these poison injections and helped develop them in Operation Warp Speed. Him and the GOP are not our allies either.

[darkcloud1945]

@Brian8736 true but he never said he was going to mandate it. Every one should read BOTH SIDES of what people are saying about covid19 and the vaccine, alas you can only read and hear the lefts side and missinformation about what the right said. I hear the whole lefts side but snippets culled from a whole statement from the right and CNN and MSNBC spending days on those snippets twisting and turning what was misquoted into gospel and to prove it just three words for three years and they are RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA. Yes some where out there is the truth is waiting to be told by BOTHSIDES..

[Pyrofox]

Do you want to get something that makes the symptoms barely dangerous, or do you want the FULL blown SH*T storm symptoms that may leave you to suffocating to the point your body just shut down. Take your pick.

[Subarugirl]

No

but business should be able to either require vaccines or a current negative covid test if they want to.
you guys make it seem like vaccines have never been required by employers before.

[Aztecwarrior480]

I don't think the Anti-Covid Vax people take issues with businesses being allowed to require vaccines. They're only taking issues with blind far leftist shills trying so hard to push for the federal and local government to require Vax passports or vaccine shots to be allowed to literally do anything or live their lives.

[Aztecwarrior480]

*to enforce

[pynapplepy]

Fuck no, the vaccine is worse than the illness! The whole "plandemic" is bullshit anyways (if that offends you, watch less news and read more/think for yourself)

[JustJen]

Option B. Covid is not dangerous to most people. Those at risk are vaccinated. Being infected or not is a moot point as the vast majority gets only mild symptoms. The pandemy should now be allowed to run it's course.

[Roxxy99]

I don’t think anyone should be forced to take the vaccine but I do recognize that private businesses can legally require it for customers or as a condition of employment.

[googleplus]

bible

you will not be able to buy or sell least you have the mark

[Roxxy99]

@googleplus The mark is a name or number representing a name worn on the forehead or back of the right hand. It’s not a vaccine. You might want to read that Bible a little closer.

[gotc147]

Then you support forced vaccination.

[googleplus]

its a conditioning process
pay attention

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 Not at all. Just as you have a right to decline the vaccine, a private business owner has the right to refuse service or employment to someone. I support the individual right to choose in both cases.

[gotc147]

As a business, they are limited in how and when they can refuse service, they can't refuse service to a black man just because he's black can they?

And so what happens when every business requires employees be vaccinated?

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 You can’t discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. However, there is legal precedent that business owners can require vaccinations for customers or as a condition of employment for workers. If you’ve been paying attention to the lawsuits on this, courts have been siding with business owners. As long as the mandate is applied equally to all classes of people, you probably won’t have a leg to stand on in court. I highly doubt every business is going to require it but they do have that option.

[gotc147]

I'd like to draw your attention to the 9th Amendment.

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 ok I’ll bite. How does the 9th amendment apply to private businesses? This ought to be good.

[gotc147]

The 9th amendment, in layman's terms, says just because a right isn't specifically enumerated in the Constitution doesn't mean it's not protected.

Such as the right to refuse a medical service.

Biden has publicly admitted to pressuring the private sector into mandating vaccines because the government doesn't have the power to do that itself. Since there is plenty of legal precedent showing that the government can't get around it's Constitutional limits by just getting the private sector to do it for them, the argument can be made that the government is circumventing the limits on its power through these businesses.

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 Your right to refuse isn’t being taken from you. You’re still free not to take the vaccine. You just won’t be able to enter or work at certain places as a consequence….. things that you don’t have constitutional right to. So what right have you been deprived of here?

[gotc147]

In one ear and out the other... I'll try only one more time.

The government CAN NOT circumvent the limits on its power by getting the private sector to impose the policy by proxy. For example, the government can't break into your house without a warrant, no judge will issue a warrant. The government cannot go to a private entity and get them to break into your house instead.

The government cannot require all citizens get vaccinated, they also cannot get privately entities to impose vaccine mandates as a condition of service/employment to achieve their desired result.

Does that make things clearer now?

And another thing, do you have even the faintest clue how short sighted you're being? I don't feel less oppressed when a private business violates my rights over when the government violates them. You're supporting a system where you have rights, but it is nearly impossible to exercise them. Like you have a right to own a gun, but you can't actually buy one anywhere.

[googleplus]

@gotc147

READ THE BOOK OF JASHER CHP 4:18

AND TELL ME THEY CAN'T BREAK INTO YOUR PLACE BY FORCE

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 Tell you what, file a lawsuit on that and see how far you get. In your scenario, you’d have to prove that the government dominated the activity to such an extent that the private entity becomes a state actor. There’s Supreme Court precedent on it already. It’s a hard standard to meet and Biden’s public statements of support for vaccine mandates will not be enough to get you there but feel free to stick with that argument.

[gotc147]

I love how you completely ignore my comment on your short sightedness, so typical.

As for a lawsuit, nah, I'm not going to be doing any lawsuits, I'll be doing the shooting.

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 What did you want me to say about your comment? That is was clever or relevant? Grow up. Private business owners can do as they please with their private property. If you don’t respect those rights, then stay away from those businesses. Pretty simple. Biden’s support for these policies is hardly the “sky is falling” arm twisting that you’re making it out to be. No I don’t suppose you will be putting your money where your mouth is. You’re just another internet lawyer trying to appear smart yet making nonsensical legal arguments that would never fly in a court.

[gotc147]

And you're steadfastly in support of a system where you "have your rights" but are unable to exercise them with being pushed out of modern society.

Imagine if the tables were turned, where you supported employer vaccine mandates in a world where they are prohibited. Then take your logic to its full conclusion, you express your right to free speech by open supporting such mandates, and you lose your job, you're not allowed into any businesses, etc. just for speaking your mind.

What's next? Are employers going to be within their rights to force you to get an abortion? How about get a limb removed? Where is the line drawn, or is there a line at all?

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 So what you’re saying is that your personal rights are supreme and those of employers and business owners must be limited to accommodate you? To your scenario, yes, I can be fired by my employer for my speech. There is well established precedent on that. Private entities aren’t bound by the first amendment. I can be fired or disciplined. I can be refused service. I can be banned from social media. The freedom to do (or say) something does not mean there cannot be real world consequences. It’s odd that you seem so unaware of what your rights really are. Spare the melodrama. No one is being pushed out of modern society. The vast majority of businesses and workplaces are not requiring a vaccine. It’s definitely an inconvenience for those faced with that choice but you have no constitutional defense against it. Don’t like the mandate? Work, shop, eat somewhere else. Crying about it won’t change anything.

[gotc147]

And what happens when nearly all employers require it? And good job ignoring my questions about employers requiring you to get other medical procedures, you're unable to follow your own logic to its conclusion.

You also seem unaware of how precedents can and do change. There are many legal precedents that have been overturned even after standing for decades. The Kormatsu ruling was only overturned 3 years ago, Dredd Scott took how long to be overturned? Roe v Wade may be overturned soon. Times change, minds change, laws change. It was perfectly legal for businesses to not serve racial minorities only 60 or so years ago, now businesses can't do that, are the businesses rights being violated by that practice? You won't answer, because answering would require you to decide between an individuals right to not be discriminated against versus a businesses right to discriminate, and you're incapable of doing that.

Are you in the legal field? If so you need to find a different job.

[Roxxy99]

@gotc147 I didn’t reply to your other comments because they weren’t worthy of reply. There is no reasonable scenario where an employer would require an abortion or losing a limb as a condition of employment. You’re talking nonsense out your ass there. What happens when all employees require it? That’s unlikely to happen but if it did, then you’d be forced to choose between a job and the vaccine. You keep using the word discrimination when this isn’t discrimination, as long as the vaccine policy is applied to everyone equally. It’s when people are singled out because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation that it becomes discrimination. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue here. Yes, legal precedents shift and change but you don’t really have a constitutional argument here. The constitution offers you no protection against a private employer setting conditions of employment, so it’s pointless to comment further. Your only hope would be the state passing legislation to prevent that action by employers.

[gotc147]

Who said anything about being reasonable?

Here's a more realistic scenario by your standards: employers banning their employees from getting abortions. There isn't even a religious argument for it either, purely economic. American birth rates have fallen below replacement levels, endangering the future of the labor pool. It is reasonable for an employer to be concerned about this and take steps it feels are necessary, such as banning it's employees from getting abortions to ensure the vitality of future labor.

Yes I know there is precedent against employers forcing their religious views on their employees, but as I said this isn't a religious motivation, it's an economic one.

Your short-sightetness is showing again. We're you never taught history? Things like this ALWAYS get pushed as far as possible. You accuse me of disregarding employers rights but you seem to disregard employees rights, and you refuse to disclose any kind of limiting factor on what employers can require of their employees. A casual observer of this conversation could easily reach the conclusion that you believe employers can require their employees to do absolutely anything so long as they require it of all of them.

You don't have the moral high ground here, and you're inviting a world where nobody has any free will, everything is decided for them through their employer. I race cars on my days off, which is dangerous but a lot of fun and according to you my employer could force me to stop doing it as a condition of employment. What do you enjoy doing on your free time that may be hazardous? Do you smoke or drink? According to you, your employer could require you stop doing those things.

I'd ask if you see the problem here but you clearly don't.

[Roxxy99]

Yes, your employer could demand that you stop racing as a condition of employment, unless you have a union contract that requires bargaining over changes. In fact, some professional athletes and I’m sure other high profile professions have such conditions they have to abide by and it’s understandable why the employer would require they refrain from dangerous activities. You’re confusing what’s legal with you personally believe is right. You’ll lose that argument every time. If employers require all kinds of crazy conditions to employ you, they’ll have difficulty attracting a workforce of any kind, so the draconian examples you give hold no water. In this case, they would have no trouble replacing you with a vaccinated employee. It’s their right to make this choice. You don’t have any right to be employed by your employer (except in cases where you might have contractual rights). You’re spinning your wheels here. Again, if you don’t want the vaccine, I support your right to make they choice. If your employer doesn’t want you working at his privately owned business as a result, I support that as well. It doesn’t matter if I think that choice is wise or not. His business, his rules.

[gotc147]

If you ever wondered how all the evil regimes in history rose to power, look in a mirror.

[Roxxy99]

Yes because evil regimes have historically risen on the backs of private employers setting conditions of employment for their staff 🙄🙄🙄

[gotc147]

No, evil regimes have risen off the backs of apathetic imbeciles with a "yeah they can do that" attitude.

[Roxxy99]

Who’s the imbecile here? You’re the one claiming rights you don’t have, and have never had it this country, at the expense of your employers right to run his own private business as he sees fit. You’re out in fantasy land here. I have a “yeah they can do that” attitude because….. they have a legal and constitutional right to do that. You’re refusing to acknowledge reality. The government has clear limits on what they can do. Private entities? They can do as they please unless their actions violate statute. You’re whining like a Karen because your choices might have consequences and you don’t like that. Well, put on your big boy britches and get over it. The world doesn’t revolve around your feelings.

[gotc147]

You just spent days telling me I have no Constitutional argument but then claim that my employer does. A legal argument isn't always the same as a Constitutional argument.

You are very much the imbecile here. Go back and look through your comments, according to you, there is not a single limiting factor in what an employer can require of its employees. Not only that, but you appear to be not only just fine with that, but enthusiastic about it. You clearly slept through history class because even a casual observer could see that any precedent favoring the "big guy" gets pushed to its absolute limit by those wielding the power. Today it's vaccine mandates, tomorrow who knows, and again you're perfectly fine with that. You would have been staunchly supporting the NAZIs in their time because everything they did inside Germany was 100% legal. Newsflash: what's legal and what's right aren't always the same, there is a reason Thomas Jefferson said "the law is often but the will of the tyrant".

What happened to "company towns"? Getting paid in company credits that could only be spent at the company store? Why aren't those still a thing? They're not illegal as far as I can tell, so what happened? Oh right, people didn't want their employers having that kind of power over them. But according to you, because no statute outlaws company towns, the employers rights are being violated.

You're argument is at best incoherent and at worst authoritarian. Either way, only imbeciles make such arguments.

[Roxxy99]

You just refuse to accept reality. The constitution doesn’t limit what an employer can require. So yes, constitutionally they can require anything of an employee that doesn’t violate statute. They must observe labor laws for instance. That has always been the case in the United States. Requiring vaccinations during a global pandemic is not a wild and crazy thing to consider. Depending on the nature of your business and the number of employees you have, it might be a common sense move. The health care field immediately comes to mind. This is no different than an employer requiring a college degree or enforcing a dress code or requiring employees to meet certain physical standards or mandatory drug or TB testing. It is the employers right and always has been. Tyranny comes at the hands of government, not private employers. You’re free to walk away from your employer at any time and not work under his rules if you feel they aren’t reasonable. You have that choice and that freedom. That’s not nazism or fascism or whatever dipshit analogy you can come up with. It’s how the free market operates. Are you willing to do A, B, C, and D to get a paycheck? If yes, great. If not, seek employment elsewhere. If you think your employer should have less freedom, then lobby your government to regulate him. It’s your only recourse.

[Miyasee_]

I’m vaccinated but no, There should be persuasion but not coercion.

[frenchfriesnoketchup]

Nah if people opt out and wanna die we should allow them to do so. Natural selection. We are vaccinated and immune, good luck to them.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

That's not really how natural selection works with epidemiology.

[frenchfriesnoketchup]

epidemiology ain't stop anybody from getting the vaccine now that there is one

[Paul09]

And then there's people that are immune to getting sick. That's how it works, then there the weak immune, who get sick with everything.

[frenchfriesnoketchup]

which is exactly why we need the freakin vaccine, neither I nor did any of my family members get covid (unless if we got the one with no symps and we didn't know) and I even traveled during the pandemic for urgent reasons but and I got tested millions of times but there is no reason to risk getting it... and i knew if I got covid it would be bad because literally the vaccine alone and it has a low % f the virus got me fucked... I had the worst fever, chills, vomiting, the list goes on but it lasted for 3 days and I was fine which is way better than getting 14 days of hell and possible death

[Paul09]

You are not understanding me, or what? I'd you are stro g and healthy, Yoh are already immune to it. If you are weak, you need the vaccine. It's to protect you, not me. Even I got the b. s. Vaccine because i knew they would be soon asking for stupid civic passports!

[frenchfriesnoketchup]

lmao and how would u know if u have good immunity smarty pants?

[frenchfriesnoketchup]

@Paul09 I thought I had the best immunity till I got the vaccine and I died lol

[Paul09]

Because I never get sick. I was around a lot of people, with covid and nothing ever happened. I only get sick when I take the vaccines

[frenchfriesnoketchup]

@Paul09 yes me too Paul lol but the vaccine is literally the same virus just weakened to build an immunity I hope u understand how vaccines work

[Paul09]

Protect you from getting the virus. Even tho people still got covid after the 2 vaccines lol. Great protecting that does. Everyone's bodies work differently.

[frenchfriesnoketchup]

@Paul09 yes it decreases the symptoms that’s the point it literally says 90 smth percent effectiveness it does not claim to protect u completely smh

[Kabluie]

EEOC allows it to be required in the US. The NFL decided to embrace that as making it a living hell for players who don't get the vaccine. How many times a week are you willing to get a swab in your nose versus getting a shot.

[EternallyCorrect]

No. If you’ve had your vaccine and you believe that it will help you fight against Covid, you shouldn’t care whether or not I have mine.

[Miristheiss]

Mandatory?

Just to be alive and being a living being on the planet?

Wow... Big Brother...1984 HELLO.

[IAmJewell]

I don’t think the vaccine should be mandatory but I do think that businesses have the right to refuse unvaccinated people.

[kc_4308]

Those businesses should also get boycotted what I plan on doing

[Kenzy009]

Should they have to right to refuse black people aswell?

[IAmJewell]

@Kenzy009 Fuck off weirdo. Always trying to bring race into everything. Come back with a better argument.

[TommyMountainFigure]

I believe business should be allowed to hire whoever they want. That is the whole purpose of an interview.

[goaded]

Fun options, but it has to be A, realistically. The worst people in the world are the governors who are making it impossible for schools and businesses to protect their students and customers.

[Saville_Row]

No, but as unvaccinated people are a risk for others and not only for them, they should be limited in what they can do.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Option F:
Don't get a vaccine- and be exiled. Take your diseased ass to Mexico or Venezuela if the USA is too commie for you.