Are you REQUIRED to receive a covid-19 vaccination?

[OlderAndWiser]

I understand that many people want to have the personal freedom to decide whether to receive the covid-19 vaccination but others have had that decision made for them by school, their employer, or some other group. Are you required to be vaccinated?

I am required by my employer to be vaccinated for covid-19.

I am required by my school to be vaccinated for covid-19.

I am required by my family to be vaccinated for covid-19.

I am required by my church to be vaccinated for covid-19.

I am required by my social group to be vaccinated for covid-19.

I am required by some other organization to be vaccinated for covid-19.

No, I am not required by anyone to be vaccinated for covid-19.

[Cynicaldreamer]

Healthcare worker here.

Not yet, but there's talk that eventually it will be mandatory.

... I told my boss point blank that's fine. I'll take it when it becomes mandatory and not a moment sooner. In the meantime, I wear my mask- which guess what...

Even those that are vaccinated STILL have to do around patients and in patient care areas. The only time those that are vaccinated can take off their masks is when they are NOT exposed to patients... in a hospital.

Yeah, see where I'm going with this logic?
No, I am not "anti-vax" as I received all my other vaccines and had no problem doing so.

I just rather wait until the vaccine has been out longer than, what... a year, if that? Before being used as a guinea pig. In the meantime, until my work overlords tell me it's mandatory, I'm not going near it and continue protecting myself as I have been since all this started.

[OlderAndWiser]

Yes, if the vaccine is such a wonderful thing, why must you still wear your mask? I have no confidence in any information we are told about this subject.

[Cynicaldreamer]

Yes, exactly!!! I assisted at a vaccine clinic earlier this year. We gave out all the vaccines: from Pfizer, to the J&J when they went out in the community.
And yes, the numbers of cases in our state has decreased... but who's to say it's not because people are becoming more aware, protecting themselves, or our bodies and immune systems have adapted to it?

Now I'm not saying the vaccine is ineffective, but why are people still advised to wear masks, even after being vaccinated? If you're vaccinated, shouldn't that ideal protect you? Believe me, I'm not the only one that's addressed that issue, yet no one seems to have a satisfactory answer.

Currently, there's another strain of coronavirus that's out, supposedly it will be worse. I asked my boss was, "So will the vaccine be effective against this strain?" She couldn't answer me, haha.

I believe that similar to the flu, covid is going to mutate each year. And yes, I do believe a vaccine (s) will be tested and proven effective- one day. It's just too soon to say if the current ones out will do so, at least until they've been out for a while.

[SaoirseS]

I'm a small business owner/operator, so it's not required for me or anyone who works for the businesses. Due to unavoidable exposure to families and the community, however, I've received the vaccine and have encouraged others to take it. I've reimbursed them for any expense (such as co-pays) they incurred in getting vaccinated. Only three have not/will not take it, one because of doctor's advice due to certain allergies, two because they choose not to.

[brandyjoy]

I don’t think it’s very wise to just allow something in your body that you’ve never had before without knowing just because we were told to this would mean that you did all your research before you put something in your body that you have no idea what’s in it or what I can do right? I’ll call this common sense and critical thinking. It’s not being anti-vaccine at all. So when people say that it completely shows the lack of making critical decisions on their own thinking versus a pass down solution that you can only just take a chance with no guarantee. Created very quickly unlike any other which takes years and years and some still haven’t been created. You mustLook into past issues that vaccines have caused. You must be willing to do our research and not just go off of what doctors and CDC‘s say their people to that a lot or make mistakes this is a fact. So there really is no excuse for someone not asking more questions being more vigilant and ensuring that they are making the best choice with their life which can’t be reversed after done. So many bad things that happen even after and yet still mentally program to just believe why do we believe what we believe without a question that’s quite scary. But the point is I support your choice because it’s your choice and my heart is still with you anyways because we’re all here in this together. And if you did not I support thatBecause that’s a choice it’s your right to choose for your body and not be forced or coerced or manipulated by someone else’s choice. We all decided for ourselves just because you made the choice and you think it’s the proper choice would make no sense for someone else to do it just because you think it’s the right thing you don’t have the same brain hello that person knows what’s best for them that’s what we need to start understanding here in this world staying in our own lane. BesidesHow would you feel if you suggested this to someone what kind of manipulated someone that was weak minded into doing this and then the repercussions with life damaging even fatal. Yeah I know that have been scared of what you’ve heard and seen with Covid but does that make this drive your judgment is it from fear. The truth is you can’t be sure and that’s a fact if it isn’t show us people will tell you what they wanna tell you and show you what they want to show you let’s just make sure that we’re doing the best for ourselves and our families and stop going out and being a messenger and causing disruption and divide within people sit back be quiet listen pay close attention thank you God bless

[CherryFlair]

You seriously couldn’t of said that any better. Facts

[Massageman]

Thanks for a great, true response.

[brandyjoy]

Thank u

[MCheetah]

No, and I would sooner spit in someone's face who tried to make me get the vaccine than to actually get it.

This job I'm leaving right now actually tried to make me download some BS Google OTP app on my phone, which every single review is saying f*cks up their phone and locks you out of your Google accounts, and I had a fight with my boss (the same woman I posted about sucking dick in the office, after hours) about it. I told that cunt that no company can force me to download things onto my own personal device and that it can't be "mandatory" because not everyone owns a smartphone, and they couldn't just fire anyone who didn't own one, or refused to give them access to their personal device for work-related nonsense.

So, if I won't install an obtrusive Google app on my phone, what makes anyone think I'll get a COVID vaccine put in me? I think only in modern-day Marxist/Communist America would they even have the balls to try that sh*t. I suspect the lawsuits are a comin'!

[OlderAndWiser]

I have heard that some universities are requiring that for attendance on campus in the fall. And I have also heard that some employers, especially health care providers, are requiring that for their employees.

[MCheetah]

As I said, lawsuits are inbound. Only this time, they'll be for a good purpose.

[Lliam]

Good question. The poll results are interesting.

The so-called vaccine is experimental. Therefore, to take it is to volunteer to participate in an experimental medical trial. To "require" a healthy person to participate in an experimental medical trial violates the Nuremberg Codes and other national and international laws. It's a crime against humanity.

The way that government gets around the law is by coercing people. "We can't force you to take the jab, but it you don't you can't enter public buildings or travel."
The way businesses get around it is by saying "You don't have to get the jab because you're free to go find another job if you don't like our rules." "If you don't get the jab, you can't fly on our airline."
In other words, they make it so that you have a choice, even if the choice is devastating. It's extortion. What if they said "You have a choice of getting the jab or never seeing your children again."

[OlderAndWiser]

I am opposed to any vaccine mandates.

[goaded]

How many people have died from the jab, and how many from the virus since the jab became available?

[Lliam]

@goaded. You tell me. Don't expect others to do your homework for you, especially when you aren't interested in the facts.

[Lliam]

Just since the end of May 2021:
childrenshealthdefense.org/.../

[goaded]

No, I just don't think you've bothered to look up what should be obvious evidence of the efficacy of the vaccines.

Let's say the anti-vaxxer's most ridiculous estimate of 4,000 Americans dying from the vaccines is true: in the same time 200,000 Americans died from the virus.

In January, as the rollout began, 18 Brits and 10 Americans per million were dying every day. The UK numbers have dropped by a factor of 100, the American by a factor of just 20.

[goaded]

Oh, noes! 5,000? How many people die in the US within 2 weeks of any particular date?

[goaded]

Hint: About 1% of the population die every year. That would be 3,300,000, which would be 63500 every two weeks (mostly the older people who got early vaccinations).

[Lliam]

@goaded. On this issue, you are a brainwashed cultist. You don't care about information because it threatens your dogma. Bit time cognitive dissonance kicks in.

[goaded]

Yes, that's obviously me, and not you. You're always right, and 20x as many people didn't die of covid-19 as within 2 weeks of a vaccine.

[Lliam]

@goaded. Just look at how you laughed off 5000 deaths in eight weeks. That speaks volumes.
If the TV had told you to be concerned, you would be shitting your pants.

So it's ridiculous for people to be hesitant to volunteer for an experimental medical trial that is known to cause such things as blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, organ damage, neurological issues like Bell's Palsy, Kawasaki disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, acquired immune disorders, sterility, unusual female bleeding, cytokine storms, and death? Nothing to see here.
Let's mock these people as anti-vaxers (even though this experimental treatment isn't a vaccine). I don't like to eat GMOs and agricultural toxins. I guess that makes me anti-food.

For what? A virus that, IF contracted and IF untreated, has a fatality rate of 0.003% for. people under age 20, 0.03% for people age 20-40, 0.5% for people age 40-70, and 5.55% for people over 70. Keep in mind that over age 70 means up to over 120 years old. Almost everyone who develops major symptoms is severely vitamin D deficient. The majority of them also have serious co-morbidities.

And the inexpensive, proven safe and extremely effective treatments that are available are withheld in order to sell expensive jabs.

The jab doesn't even prevent acquiring or transmitting covid. The manufacturers simply HOPE that they reduce symptoms.

So let's all laugh.

[goaded]

You didn't read a damn thing I wrote, did you? Then you made up a load of bollocks about things including "Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease", which is caused by prions, not viruses. Just admit it, you have no clue about any of this, and you're just repeating crap.

"For what? A virus that, IF contracted and IF untreated, has a fatality rate of 0.003% for. people under age 20, 0.03% for people age 20-40, 0.5% for people age 40-70, and 5.55% for people over 70."
So, one in 20 people over 70 will die, and you're fine with that? One in 200 will die between 40-70 (about half the population, so 500,000, over and above the old folk you don't care about), and you're fine with that?

"And the inexpensive, proven safe and extremely effective treatments that are available are withheld in order to sell expensive jabs."
Bollocks, you're being sold snake oil.

[Lliam]

@goaded. You do zero research other than guzzling msm Kool Aid. I'm done bantering with a flat Earther.
I shared that information for the benefit of others. Hopefully it will save an innocent life.

[goaded]

Your lies are more likely to result in someone's severe illness or even death.

[Lliam]

@goaded. It's the "official" lies spouted by pharma profiteers, mainstream media and government lackeys that are killing people.

If they were telling the truth and could back up what they say, they wouldn't have to work so hard to silence all other voices from top global experts in their fields and medical professionals. To do so isn't science. It's propaganda. Follow the money.

You crack me up because you think anything is a LIE if you haven't heard of it.

[goaded]

Oh, rubbish. Remember, the fake remedy that Trump was pushing turned out to be a dud, and an old, cheap drug turned out to save loads of lives. What are your "inexpensive, proven safe and extremely effective treatments"? Or are they a secret known only to special people like you?

[Lliam]

@goaded, check your brain cell. It's short circuiting.

You reflexively think anything your masters haven't told you is bullshit while actively avoiding information. Then you rail against actual science and data. You scream "Heresy! Heresy!" at the top of your lungs.

You're like someone who was raised on Creationism being confronted by geological science and doing mental gymnastics to prove that it's a conspiracy theory because it conflicts with your "beliefs".

Take your precious jabs and crawl back into your nice safe cave.

[goaded]

So you don't know of any "inexpensive, proven safe and extremely effective treatments", you're just convinced that they must exist and that "they" are keeping them from us. Is that right?

[Lliam]

@goaded, Based on scientific research, as well as massive amounts of clinical success, there definitely ARE inexpensive, extremely safe, and highly effective treatments.
However, the pharma profiteering propagandists can't allow that to be known because that would make it illegal to authorize dangerous experimental trials for public consumption. They care about making money and have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives to do it.

[goaded]

So you can tell there definitely "ARE inexpensive, extremely safe, and highly effective treatments", by the fact we DON'T know about them?

A year ago, the UK's Recovery trial found the first drug - a steroid called dexamethasone - that could save the lives of people with severe Covid. It was tested further and confirmed to be effective.



There are multiple other treatments under development and testing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52354520

[Lliam]

@goaded. Sure, the reason I know that there definitely are inexpensive, extremely safe, and highly effective treatments is because scientists and clinicians don't know about them. That has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard. You truly ARE retarded.

What I said was, YOU never heard of them because pharma profiteers insure that information is suppressed. They haven't been completely successful, obviously, but morons who limit their information what msm feeds them, have no idea.

[goaded]

Of course it's ridiculous, but it also seems to be your "reasoning". Just name them, if you know them. If you don't know them, you don't know they exist, do you?

[Lliam]

@goaded. Name them? So that you can mock them by parroting the "experts" that msm props up?
This isn't a debate. You're not interested. You're just wasting time.

[Anonymous]

I work for a healthcare organization who made COVID vaccinations available to ALL employees back in February at no cost. I got one ASAP. We are not required to get them, but are strongly encouraged to and penalized in some subtle ways if we don't, even those of us who are not patient facing.

But as a healthcare company, I can understand that. We, more than most others, are painfully aware of the devastating human cost of the COVID pandemic. We see it in our hospital facilities every day. I am not patient facing myself but in my role I do interact regularly with clinical folks so I get the facts second hand. It's not pretty. I am knowledgeable enough to know the potential risks of vaccines, but also educated enough to know that those risks are miniscule compared to the benefits, to both individuals and society.

Personally I support employers who force employees to get vaccinated, or at least penalize those who choose not to. I understand that doing so infringes on the rights of those who don't believe in the vaccine, but those people put others at risk and it can literally be a life and death proposition for many people. I support people's right to freedom... until it infringes on the rights of others, especially when their health and indeed their lives are put at risk. To me, it's the same argument some smokers use when they say they have the right to smoke in public. Nope, not when you expose others to your smoke. It's a proven health risk, and your right smoke does NOT trump another person's right to not breath your smoke.

I have no respect or compassion for people who are happy to enjoy the benefits of a vaccinated society but unwilling to take the small risk everyone else does in order to do their part.

[OlderAndWiser]

I understand your argument and agree with most of it; I got vaccinated in February/March. However, aren't the people placed at risk by the unvaccinated only others who are also unvaccinated?

[Opinion Owner]

Somewhat, but there are also plenty of people who are unable to be vaccinated for health reasons, and those people are among the most vulnerable of all. And the vaccination is not 100% effective. A vaccinated person can still contract the virus and spread it. We are lucky here in the US to have access to the vaccine, but most people around the world are not so lucky. As long as this virus exists and not everyone has access to vaccine, in our global economy today anyone who is unvaccinated by choice is literally choosing to put people around the globe at greater risk. And we are only speaking of the health costs here. It doesn't even consider the economic impact, which has been and continues to be huge.

I often think about all the diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines and wonder what these antivaxxers would think about vaccines if we all still lived in fear everyday of diseases like Smallpox, Polio, Diphtheria, Pertussis and Rubella. What would those same people think back in those times if offered a vaccine that would prevent them and their families from contracting those diseases? I suspect almost all of them would jump at the opportunity. But today they have the luxury of benefitting from the fact that millions of others do their part to prevent those diseases while they have to do nothing. They enjoy that privleged without the responsibility, and all because of their own willful ignorance.

[msc545]

No, it is possible to get infected even if you are vaccinated - a very small chance, but why should I take any risk at all because some conspiracy-peddling clown won't get vaccinated?

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 Not all opponents resist on the basis of a conspiracy theory.

[msc545]

True, but the percentage that do is significant.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 I recognize that it's anecdotal evidence but, among my acquaintances, those who resist do so on the basis of the lack of long term testing and a weighing of the purported risks and benefits. No microchip BS.

[msc545]

I understand but I bet your friends are not a representative sample of the population that refuses.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 I expect that they are not, which is why I preceded that statement with a disclaimer.

[musicbrain5]

As far as I know, our employer has not made it a requirement for me or my husband to be vaccinated against COVID-19. We have chosen to get it anyways. I got my first shot of Pfizer in late April and my second one is next week. I teach children under age 12, who are not able to get any of these vaccines, so I view my choice to get a vaccine as a benefit to my students in the long run.

I disagree with making it a requirement for any situation, for the simple reason that such mandates are discriminatory to anyone who legitimately cannot get the vaccine. This goes for any vaccine, by the way, not just the Covid one. An acceptable level of herd immunity should be good enough to protect a community, or at least lessen the impact of an infectious disease. We have seen this with other established vaccines like the polio vaccine, TDaP, MMR, etc. The relatively small number of people who don’t take these shots for whatever reason, are essentially inoculated by being part of a community with sufficient amounts of people who did get those shots. When is the last time there was an outbreak of polio, tetanus, or diphtheria (for example) in a region with good access to advanced Western medicine? I know these diseases are often more debilitating than COVID-19, but it’s just to illustrate my point.

I expect that the vaccine for COVID-19 will eventually be treated much like the annual flu shot - not necessarily mandatory for most people, but suggested and revised each year to combat variants.

[Kabluie]

Measles outbreaks were sporadic years ago, but a majority of the population has an immunity or been vaccinated. Covid is a long way to that point, so places like colleges and employers will be requiring the shot for the foreseeable future.

[musicbrain5]

@Kabluie Yes, measles comes and goes more often than the other diseases. It all stems from people who are afraid to give their children the MMR because they are convinced it causes autism. Since measles is far more contagious than mumps or rubella, it spreads faster and that’s why we have seen it more often lately.

You do make a fair point about employers and schools/colleges requiring the Covid vaccine - I can see that happening. I don’t agree with it as people need to be free to choose. However, it would be far worse for any government to pass legislation making any vaccine a requirement. It should not be made an official law.

And as a side note, I should make a correction to my post. Tetanus does not spread from person to person - only through contaminated objects touching or causing open wounds. My mistake.

[Dalton57]

We're talking about the possible extinction of the human race. The virus keeps mutating. The delta version is getting past the Russian and Chinese vaccines.

Only 10% of all the humans in the world have been vaccinated. As long as the virus is circulating it will keep mutating. Mutations that defeat vaccines, spread faster and kill faster are inevitable. The antibodies from one mutation maybe don't protect one from the next mutation.

Speaking for myself here, I am not an irresponsible, suicidal fool. Nobody has to tell me to get vaccinated.

Think about it as the ultimate IQ test. You fail you die. On behalf of those of us with an IQ higher than a pencil eraser - good riddance. You can take your flat Earth, no moon landing, Trump is president idiocies to the grave with you.

Just MHO.

[OlderAndWiser]

I understand your position and agree with most of what you say. However, all viruses mutate and we do not have prior viruses that mutate sufficiently to defeat the vaccines designed to protect against them. It certainly is a possibility but I think it is far from inevitable and that bit of hyperbole detracts from your argument.

[Kaneki05]

Possible extinction of the human race? Covid would need to be a lot, and i do mean a lot more effective. So far 3.91M deaths worldwide out of the human race almost reaching 8 Billion people. Also this 3.91M is out of 181M cases. So that's 177M people who have not died from it, but had it compared to the 3.91M that did. Also 181M cases out of almost 8B people. Safe to say overall these are very small numbers compared to extinction of human race. No were even near half the human race would even be effected at all. Nvm all.

[goaded]

Flu mutates every year.

[Levin]

Pressure, guilt and coercion have been imposed, but thankfully it's not been de facto mandated yet, at least in my line of work.

It beggars belief how people aren't even questioning the fundamentals of this, when it's so overtly based on shoddy science. Unfortunately, humanity has a rather painful lesson coming its way.

[OlderAndWiser]

Yes, people need to learn that the government is not a benevolent shepherd and we are not sheep.

[goaded]

What "shoddy science"? New cases and deaths have plummeted since the vaccinations began. Almost the only people dying from the virus today weren't fully vaccinated.

Maybe a new variant will get around the vaccine's protection, but it's less likely with fewer people infected. In the mean time, the new cases and deaths in the US are lower than any time since March 2020.

[Levin]

Yeah that vaccination campaign was so successful that it actually worked last year, too:
ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-deaths

As far as I recall the WHO last December or January released a statement to suggest that false positives were too high and for healthcare authorities to use lower cycle thresholds on their pcr tests. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it coincides with the commencement of vaccine rollout.

More fudging the figures recently:
"NHS England has instructed hospitals to make the change to the daily flow of data sent by NHS trusts […] Hospitals have been told to change the way they collect data on patients infected with coronavirus to differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else."
off-guardian.org/.../

More extermination campaigns which disturbingly echo Germany's T4 programme: off-guardian.org/.../

And finally, vaccinated people, according to the government's figures, have a 3x chance of dying compared to unvaccinated after contracting the alleged Delta variant.
odysee.com/.../Deltadeathrate3x:4?src=embed

[Levin]

Here's a link to the WHO statement and a critical analysis of why cases plummeted early this year:

off-guardian.org/.../

[goaded]

1. Not The Guardian, which is a reputable source, but somebody who wants you to think they are.

2. "Sweden, famously, never locked down at all" but it did take many steps to prevent the spread, they're not so densely populated as the UK, and better educated.

3. "their “cases” and “Covid related deaths” have been dropping exactly in parallel with the UK".
Except:
(a) from February on, they had a resurgence, and their death rate is currently much higher than the UK's
(b) they've been vaccinating, too.

ourworldindata.org/.../coronavirus-data-explorer

[Levin]

@goaded What is with you lot and character defamation? I like how you never respond to the arguments, but you just resort to doing poo poos all over people on their wiki pages!

[goaded]

So, you get to ignore points 2 and 3, because point 1 is that it's a propaganda site?

[Levin]

@goaded As I stated before, I have better things to do than get into these kinds of debates. Not least because it was such a poor showing from you!

Although your Guardian comment did make me chuckle a little. How much are they getting off the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation recently?

www.gatesfoundation.org/.../inv017377

As far as the Guardian goes, here's another howler:

www.theguardian.com/.../why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

"Why most people who now die with Covid in England have been vaccinated
David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters
Don’t think of this as a bad sign, it’s exactly what’s expected from an effective but imperfect jab"

[goaded]

Of course, it's because of my poor showing, and not your failure to back up any of your claims. Are most people dying of the virus today fully vaccinated, or not? (Hint: they're not.)

[Lionman95]

My parents gave me the choice between get vaccine or not being able to meet up with friends anytime soon without making me feel bad about every chance they get.
So I come from a medical household being the only one that´s not working in medicine coming from a neighbour where about 50% of my neighbours are considered to be part of the risk group because age or any kind of diseases.
I got the vaccine without anykind of side effects hoping that restrictions gonna be lowered when enough people got it because if that´s not going to happen I´ll spend all my study at university in my bedroom studying from a screen and I don´t know if I could survive that.
I don´t buy in the theories that Bill Gates wants to control everyone because everyone who has an android smartphone is already controlled by Google. Apple products aren´t that much better.
We already live in a society where the tech companies no everything anyways.

[brandyj]

You clearly haven’t been doing research or listning to all mr gates has said and been doing. You can’t miss it. Research is never a enemy. Information is knowledge... but do intensive research to make sure you feel comfortable with what you find. Do it for you. Not even because I said it. Or anyone else. But just always trust that gut you have , your individual thoughts not by influence. That’s all. But god bless and I pray we all make it through.

[WhiteSteve]

I’m not required, but I saw Dave Chappelle live on Friday night, and you had to be tested on-site the day of the show with a rapid-result test. If you refused or failed the test, you were not allowed into the venue. If you failed, your entire group couldn’t get in, but you would be refunded in full. Then they said masks were mandatory, but once inside, the DJ emceeing the show said they were NOT mandatory but encouraged. THEN, Donnell Rawlings, aka Ashy Larry, came out and opened for Dave, and he called us all pussies for wearing masks... it was THEIR call, wtf🤦‍♂️😂 But he mentioned Dave was obsessed with testing his crowds nowadays, although Dave said in his set that he had had corona himself (said nothing happened to him and he was “The Magic Johnson of corona, he just got stronger”😂😂😂), and I think most of us just all ditched our masks by the time Dave Came out anyway. I did get a sweet keepsake mask with Chappelle’s “C” logo on it though, not that I need it anymore, haha.

[Kabluie]

Universities is the first hard stop requirement for some younger adults, already seeing that being required. Like during my time when I got admitted the MMR vaccine was required to enroll in classes otherwise you needed MD documentation to avoid it.

Those of us who work in healthcare it's eventually going to be required if not already in some places, like that Texas healthcare system. The flu shot was kind of already a normal protocol, and you had to have a document of reactions or allergies to avoid it.

Then you have some wall street cats since they are around a lot of people often. Like Morgan Stanley in NYC will not allow anyone without a vaccine to work for them, and clients are not welcome into their building without.

[Massageman]

Already had it and got better in January 2020 along with dozens of our friends. No fever, no aches, no coughing/sneezing/wheezing, no significant breathing problems- just felt like I had been hit with a truck for a week. But I digress - - - -

I am self-employed and I am not requiring myself to take the jab, and none of the places I visit frequently do either. As a Massage Therapist, I already use Standard Precautions as they are called in the profession, and have added other safety measures, as well.

[Agape93]

Yes and no. My boss requires it to work in the building, which I only need to be present in two times a month. But I got it on my own volition because I trust in the medical science and to protect myself and loved ones.

[Darkstreax]

My college is requiring it go back to school in Fall, I know many others are too. I’m personally fine with it since I’m already vaccinated though

[Levin]

That is sinister as hell, in my opinion. I thought the US was shedding a lot of this insanity, but the tyrannical expressions are just as ever present across the globe.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Levin Academia is a last bastion of this thinking in the US. Remember that most US educational institutions are controlled by the far left and they value group welfare over individual liberties.

[Darkstreax]

@Levin also should point out that I go to school in California so a bit more rules are put into place here than other states

[Levin]

I appreciate this, although I'd rather not use left and right thinking as this goes beyond this, and allows the 'opposition' to dismiss you as a right-wing nut job without any thinking.

The facts of the matter are that this is an experimental technology that is still in stage 3 trials, with long term effects unknown. And imposing and coercion (which is what this patently is) are all against the Nuremberg codes.

[Levin]

It must be pretty sweet to go to school in California :) Well, apart from all this of course...

[bannacookies]

@Darkstreax really? I'm shocked. My college does not mandate that and only a few students have gotten the vaccine. I literally mean few.

[coachTanthony]

------As a dating coach I have decided not to require myself to get the vaccination. Ha

Charlie Brown: Snoopy I am afraid of Corona.
Snoopy: Stop whining and have a Budweiser.
~Coach T Anthony @thedatecoach IG

[rosemilk]

It is currently illegal to require the covid vaccine…. It is a personal choice 🌸

[OlderAndWiser]

Can you cite a source to substantiate that statement?

[rievious]

Yes id like to see this evidence too

[MandyMaiden31]

@OlderAndWiser her source? The laws of the united states. 😂 its not on there to get the covid vaccine. God damn obviously lol

[Cynicaldreamer]

Incorrect. Some places are now requiring their employees to be vaccinated. There was a big controversy a few weeks ago at a hospital in Texas where over 100 employees were suspended because they refused the vaccine.

That is why my job is pushing us to get the vaccine, because they are hinting eventually most healthcare facilities will require all employees to be vaccinated.

Proof: www.nytimes.com/.../...ndatory-vaccine-policy.html

[MandyMaiden31]

@Cynicaldreamer employeers requiring yes. I stated that mine doesn't bur our police for did. However it is still not a law to enforce so you still have a choice

[rievious]

Vaccine is completely free
Vaccine benefits everyone especially yourself
I'm having trouble seeing a reason why someone wouldn't want one other than they're scared of needles.

[MandyMaiden31]

@rievious i believe in humans history to adapt. I stated i take care of a very vulnerable demographic and a quote a few of our clients refused it themselves. Plenty of reasons each different

[rievious]

What demographic is that? I'd love to learn more

[MandyMaiden31]

@rievious adults with developmental Disabilities

[OlderAndWiser]

@MandyMaiden31 Then cite to me the law. Is it a statute passed by Congress? Was it announced in a court decision? Tell me something specifically so I can go look at that law myself, instead of relying on your insistence that "it's the law."

[MandyMaiden31]

wait a minute what did you read? I stated this to you.
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@OlderAndWiser her source? The laws of the united states. its not on there to get the covid vaccine. God damn obviously lol

[OlderAndWiser]

@MandyMaiden31 Yes, if you think it is the law, tell me where you got that information. I would like to read that law for myself. Can you tell me where I can see this law?

[MandyMaiden31]

can you not read? I said its not a law in the united states. Scroll up

[OlderAndWiser]

@MandyMaiden31 You also said: "her source? The laws of the united states."

[MandyMaiden31]

yes she stated it was ILLEGAL you asked for her source. So I stated the united states laws. its not one...

[SaoirseS]

@OlderAndWiser. Nobody has given you a straight answer to your question, but I think ADA laws and regulations and EO law and policy are what apply. Here are the EEOC guidelines small business owners with more than 15 people have been encouraged to follow (as updated from time to time). I’ve been using them since the start of the pandemic. You would know the points of law where they apply far better than I do. But no, it is not illegal to require the COVID vaccine. Don’t know if this answers the question, but here’s a good source of info. www.eeoc.gov/.../what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws

[OlderAndWiser]

@SaoirseS I appreciate your citation to an authoritative source. Although I am lawyer, I do not practice in the area of labor and employment law, but it is my understanding that an employer can require employees to be vaccinated, provided that they make reasonable exceptions justified my medical considerations.

This is an example of an issue where people simply fabricate a statement of what the law is - based on what they wish the law stated - and then act as if it is an established fact.

Thanks for your response.

[SaoirseS]

@OlderAndWiser. No problem. Strangely I had one employee (who refused to take the vaccine) tell me I was breaking the law by providing incentive for employees to get vaccinated, saying it was tantamount to coercion. When I asked him to cite the law or at least point me in the right direction, he gave me the same broad state and federal law response with no specifics. He also claimed I was breaking the law by denying him a benefit of reimbursement and time off given to those who chose to take the vaccine, and it was like being punished for not taking it. That was an easy fix, I wrote him a check for $00.00 and wrote "Exactly Nothing" in the text line, and gave him the rest of the day off.

[Zelda_5]

My cousins are immunocompromised so if I wanted to see them I had to get vaxxed. I also just wanted to get vaxxed anyways, so I got my second dose yesterday.

[Anpu23]

We are not required at my day job but are certainly encouraged. The factory has a mask mandate, but soon we can have an exception if we are fully vaccinated. A badge issued by HR for those who voluntarily show their vaccination card allowing others to see at a glance if they must wear a mask or not.

[tartaarsaus]

Not for me, no. I think legally speaking, my university isn’t allowed to force me. That said, a few months ago the European Court of Justice allowed some Czech child daycare to reject people based on not having had a polio vaccine. Theoretically, this could be extended to a covid vaccine as well, but that very much remains an open question.

[Anonymous]

Still the fear mongering continues. No, most countries do not make the vaccine mandatory, because that's not how vaccines work. Not everyone can take them.

But you know as well as I do, the people screaming about the evils of the vaccine, will tell every lie they can to avoid caring for those around them.

[ColoradoKid]

The thing that I hate about the entire situation is. People who got thier Covid shots were put on a list and entered into a lottery. I may be wrong but is that not a major HIPPA violation? I may think harder about getting one just as long as I am not put on a list and entered into something that I didn't give consent for. I am not against getting vaccinated. I am against people being able to track me more than they should.