Have you heard of the gender health gap?

[Subarugirl]

According to an article published on health line “A new study published in Nature Communications says women get diagnosed with diseases far later than men.

How much later?

For cancer, the researchers said women get diagnosed two and a half years later than men.

For diabetes, women are diagnosed four and a half years later than men.

The study was conducted by researchers at the University of Copenhagen. They looked at the health data for almost 7 million men and women in the Danish healthcare system over a 21-year period.

They discovered that women were diagnosed later than men in more than 700 diseases.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-08475-9

[MCheetah]

How is this a "gender health gap?" Women, despite being more biologically complex than men, do less physical labor in society, and being physically weaker than men,
still have far fewer health problems than men and live longer, despite all of this. This post is almost set up to imply this is some kind of "problem against women" or something, when there's no 'problem' here. Women still have far better health overall than men do, due to both physical and social reasons.

[Subarugirl]

Well the fact that for cancer, the researchers said women get diagnosed two and a half years later than men, and for diabetes, women are diagnosed four and a half years later than men is a problem. That can be the difference between life and death for a lot of people

[MCheetah]

Women also get four times the funding for cancer research as well, as no one gives a sh*t about testicular or protsate cancer.
prostate.org.nz/.../
katatrepsis.com/.../
Do any of the men dying from that also count, or is it only all about women?

Female researchers even get more funding than men do.
blogs.bmj.com/.../

So once again, this is a case of "It only matters if it affects a woman." Like it's even anyone else's fault if women don't do regular checkups on their health.

[Subarugirl]

Well women go to the doctor 33% more than men do. But those are some fantastic points. You should make a post and spread awareness about the issue.

[Anonymous]

That is disturbing, I somseitmes feel as a woman our concerns are often brushed off as just normal aches and pains when it fact there could be someting more serious. "Pain with intercourse, or that's normal for some women", "pain during menstration, oh that's normal for women", yeah I know a woman who kept being told, "yeah that's normal" when she'd report her symtoms and found out that she had ovaraian cancer some years later when the symptoms became unbearable. Thankfully the cancer went into remission but I wonder how many other women with ovarian cancer were being told that symptoms of it were normal.

[Smoothing]

Yew, I saw that a while back. A lot of female diagnosis has been based on research dobe on men rather than women and that is where supposedly, the problem lies. Because women's bodies were treated the same as men's bodies withe the exception of the genital issues and breasts which are clearly different.

[nolabels]

Here's an excellent TEDx Talk regarding the subject of gender in medicine:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nQcgD5DpVlQ

[Subarugirl]

Thanks for sharing

[lightbulb27]

no. it's good to do these analysis, but that fact alone doesn't say if that's really true and why. I suspect western women are so overwhelmed managing the insane lives they have, they ignore themselves. I've seen women ignore their needs for quite some time.

[suzzieQ]

But women are more likely to seek medical treatment than men are. So it would make sense that women would be more likely to be diagnosed before their male counterparts, but that is not the case.

[lightbulb27]

@suzzieQ then it doesn't make sense. Is the medical system mis diagnosing women? I've heard of issues with reactions to drugs because they didn't test them as much on women.
I'm not sure what is true here...

[Subarugirl]

There are lots of studies and tea search that explain why

[Googlemyahoo]

Easy answer. You don’t work heavy lifting manual labour jobs like men do. Therefore men are more likely to experience symptoms earlier then a women with say an administrative position.

If you’re using your entire body for a job you notice slight differences in capabilities in contrast to say sitting on your butt and typing.

[Andres77]

I’m not reading the whole article. It’s JUST danish subjects? Then it would only have any relevance in Denmark.

Women live longer than men on average worldwide. Are these women avoiding seeing a doctor?

[Andres77]

Or is this somehow another symptom of the patriarchy putting women down?

[Subarugirl]

Actually no. Women go to the doctor 33% more than men. The majority of biomedical research is conducted in male cells and animals. By studying only one sex, we limit the ability to discover new therapies and treatments for both men and women. 30 years ago women were excluded from clinical trials and that still has an impact on the medical care given today.

[Andres77]

👍👍👍

[SnowedIn]

Have not read the article but had heard of this through some reporting on other medical health stuff related to women's health.

[PatriceONeal]

The statistics and opinions you come up with are utter trash and explain a lot about who you are as a person.

[Subarugirl]

Actually it was a study, but I can see how you would be confused by that

[PatriceONeal]

You don't understand how to interpret statistics and now I understand why you struggle with reality so much.

[Subarugirl]

Well we aren’t talking about statistics, I’m talking about scientific studies hon.

[PatriceONeal]

What do you think they study? Statistics..

[Subarugirl]

Actually they were studying data…

[PatriceONeal]

Data. From statistics. You maroon.

[Subarugirl]

Lol says the boy that doesn’t understand the difference between data and statistics

[PatriceONeal]

You're an idiot, I bet your son will grow up to be an upstanding and honorable man. LOL

[Subarugirl]

Better than you that's for sure.

[msc545]

Women have higher physical pain thresholds than men do, which may account for the results of this methodologically very questionable study.

[Subarugirl]

That is a myth

[msc545]

Really? Offer some proof that it is.

[Subarugirl]

in 2012 a team of researchers from Stanford University in the US completed a review of over 11,000 medical records and discovered that women actually tend to feel pain more intensely, particularly when it comes to acute inflammation.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../#S8title

2009, a team of researchers from the University of Florida performed a massive literature review of pain-related research studies, and also found that women show greater sensitivity to most forms of pain.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../#S40title

[msc545]

ok. Women may *feel* pain more intensely, but they also tolerate it better than men do. If you call what you did "research", you researched the wrong question.

[Subarugirl]

Well it would make sense that for a demographic that has greater sensitivity and who feels pain more intensely would have to tolerate it in order to function. If one person is less sensitive and who experiences less intense pain wouldn't have to tolerate it as much since it doesn't hurt as much.

[msc545]

There is no measurement for pain intensity as such. There is a measurement for tolerance.

[Subarugirl]

"Different hormones, body compositions and central nervous systems means women are more susceptible to painful conditions such as migraines, irritable bowel syndrome and arthritis, according to researchers speaking at a conference for the International Association for the Study of Pain in Glasgow, Scotland.

"Chronic pain affects a higher proportion of women than men, but unfortunately they are also less likely to receive treatment compared to men," said Dr. Troels Jensen, the pain association's president. "IASP hopes to provide a voice to these women by drawing attention to this global issue as a first step towards reducing pain and suffering of women around the world."

www.foxnews.com/.../true-or-false-women-have-higher-pain-thresholds-researchers-weigh-in

"Human studies more reliably show that men have higher pain thresholds than women, and some show that men have a higher pain tolerance as well,"
www.psu.edu/.../

"Shenique Ranger, PMHNP, a board-certified psychiatric nurse practitioner at an urban health center, said in her 20 years of practice working in the field of pain management, women do not necessarily exhibit a higher pain threshold than men, "
https://getmegiddy.com/women-pain-tolerance

[msc545]

you can quote people and so what. Quote data instead.

[Subarugirl]

Those quotes are based on the data, which is mentioned in the resourced cited above.

[msc545]

So provide the data, not the the quotes, which are worthless.

[Subarugirl]

I included the links, the data is all there, you just have to read it.

[msc545]

The data is NOT there, just their conclusions.

[Subarugirl]

The study and its finding is referenced and linked. Feel free to read it.

[msc545]

A finding is not the data. You offered it, you provide it.

[Subarugirl]

You’re more than welcome to the data provided in the links

[Anonymous]

Oh boy. Another “women have it so much harder than men” post. 🙄 You’re like a broken record with this bullshit.

[Subarugirl]

No not at all. lol Just sharing research, im sorry you find it triggering.

[Opinion Owner]

And why the fuck are you looking to the goddamn Danes for research data?

Because Denmark sure is comparable to North America. 🙄Goddamn you’re stupid. 🤦‍♂️

[Subarugirl]

Because a study like that in the states would be all but impossible to do with our privatized health care system. 6,909,676 patient's hospital admissions were analyzed over a 21 year period

[Opinion Owner]

And yet you’re looking to Denmark, a country the fraction of a size with a population smaller than Los Angeles... then jumping to conclusions about the health outcomes of American women.

🤦‍♂️

Goddamn. Just goddamn. 🤦‍♂️

I gotta go have a smoke and ponder this level of stupidity. Pardon me. 🤦‍♂️

[Subarugirl]

Women make up 49.6% of the world’s population1. Across the globe, they access medical care more frequently and actually have a significantly greater health expenditure than men. Yet up until the early 1990s, a period that saw the approval of many drugs which we still use today, women faced significant underrepresentation in clinical trials. This has led to gaps in our understanding of how particular treatments may impact them, increasing the risk of adverse effects.

In 2021, over 80% of preclinical studies assessing drug safety and efficacy are still conducted solely in male mice2 and as few as 22% of phase I trial participants are female3. Despite the significant progress that has been made in promoting gender equality over recent years and the rapid pace of change we are witnessing in the medical field, there is still an imbalance when it comes to providing equal opportunities independent of sex.

When discussing this subject, it is important to understand the historical context of women in clinical trials and sex-based drug research (sex being the biological variable traditionally reported in clinical trials, whereas gender is typically recognized as a social construct relating to personal identity and perceptions of oneself).

[Opinion Owner]

When discussing this subject it’s important to actually gather data that applies to your test subjects and sample population.

😐

[Subarugirl]

They did.

[pers0n]

You call it "research" but to them it is a joke making you so dumb it's not funny anymore.
Also stop worshipping diseases. Just don't get sick and you won't need to do more "research".

[Subarugirl]

@pers0n The study was approved by the Danish Data Protection Agency (ref: 2015-54-0939 and SUND-2017-57) and Danish Health Authority (ref: FSEID-00001627 and FSEID-00003092). Permission to access and analyze data can be obtained following approval from Danish Data Protection Agency and the Danish Health Authority. A reporting summary for this article is available as a Supplementary Information file. Stan (v 2.17)64, Python (v2.7), and R (v.3.1.3) was used for statistical analysis.

[pers0n]

Nice nice nice. I also believe those experts that pyramids were built by hand using copper tools.

[PatriceONeal]

Subarugirl. Always such a toxic person. She shares a butt plug with her alpha husband that her 5 yr old son found, then came on here to shame her family even more by telling us all about it, selling her cancerous lifestyle to girlsaskguys for validation. She is actually the scum of the earth, perpetuating her trauma. "Someone Remove her from girls ask guys." As she would say.

[PatriceONeal]

Women live life on easy mode. Live and work indoors protected from the elements, housing and emenities paid for by taxes (men), fed by welfare (men). Yet can't figure out why you live longer than (men)?

[PatriceONeal]

He's talking about you. Not they.

[Subarugirl]

@PatriceONeal 90% of the work is done outside of a building. Sit down kiddo, you know not of what you speak.

[PatriceONeal]

What are you talking about woman?🤣

[Subarugirl]

@PatriceONeal sounds out the words real slowly.

[PatriceONeal]

Dom I nate rix

[Subarugirl]

@PatriceONeal lol some one needs to retake English lol

[PatriceONeal]

Someone needs a brain

[Subarugirl]

@PatriceONeal data are individual pieces of factual information recorded and used for the purpose of analysis. It is the raw information from which statistics are created. Statistics are the results of data analysis - its interpretation and presentation.

[Subarugirl]

@PatriceONeal get a dictionary

[PatriceONeal]

Get an actual man around you to explain the world to you. Not a man you share a buttplug with.

[Subarugirl]

@PatriceONeal Your obsession with my sexlife is creepy dude. Get your own

[joeldalton]

lmao. There's no limit to stupid studies that people will believe.

[Subarugirl]

Actually this is from data collection.

[AydenHazor]

I hadn't heard of this study, but this is not surprising from the experience of friends where women are less likely to be believe by doctors.

[Jouth]

huh. Never heard of that.

Sounds kinda fucked up if true

[Ana_Southerington]

Because women lie to their doctors more...

[Subarugirl]

What data is that opinion based on?

[Ana_Southerington]

Have you ever downplayed or exaggerated a symptom for your doctor?

[Subarugirl]

No never.

[Subarugirl]

So what data is that opinion based on?

[pizzalovershouse]

Never heard of it new to me

[lmh668]

Yes, I've heard of it.

[Jennz6]

Good to know

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a Danish problem.

[suzzieQ]

More like a womens problem…

[Agagagagaga]

@suzzieQ Nah. The study was done in Denmark with Danish women.

But way to go with jumping to conclusions. Very scientific of you.

[suzzieQ]

@Agagagagaga You do know that until the 1990s that women were significantly underrepresented in clinical studies and trials and were all but excluded until the 1970s right?

[Agagagagaga]

@suzzieQ You do realize that a study of 7 million women who live in a tiny country, who have a different diet, climate, government and healthcare system, isn’t representative of women in another country vastly larger and different than it?

[suzzieQ]

@Agagagagaga no one is saying that it does, but it does beg the question and open up the possibility that other countries with a less inclusive healthcare systems could possibly face the same discrepancies especially when taking into account that for the majority of history clinical research and studies have excluded women, even though they make up half the population.

[Agagagagaga]

@suzzieQ “ no one is saying that it does...”

The entire premise of the original post was saying that it does you dumb cow.

[Subarugirl]

@Agagagagaga actually she is right. The premise of the post is the gender health gap. The reach article is just one example.
Also if you cannot address Suzie respectfully without calling her names you will be reported, and admin will have to get involved for cyber bullying a 15 year old girl who has made some very valid points.

[Agagagagaga]

@Subarugirl So now you’re threatening to tell on me? 🤣

Goddamn you fucking Lefties are pathetic aren’t you.

Waaaah someone is disagreeing with me and my ridiculous post! Help help! Someone get the mods!

😂

[Subarugirl]

@Agagagagaga Im not threatening anything. Im am informing you that I will not tolerate a grown ass man violating community guidelines in my thread by calling a 15-year-old girl a cow. If you dont like that you are more than welcome to leave.

[suzzieQ]

@Agagagagaga reported

[Subarugirl]

@suzzieQ just ignore him. Admin will deal with him.